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I agree with this, Valerie.
A fly was a light carriage.
On 27 Feb 2006, at 22:40, Valerie Pettifer wrote:
> I think a fly was a one-horse two-wheeled light carriage, and a
> employed fly drivers and generally owned the carriages
> Best wishes
> (St Ives)
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Pickering - Boumboum"
> To: <DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:29 PM
> Subject: [DEV] Fly Proprietor?
>> Hello everyone
>> could anyone please advise what my relatives in Sidmouth were doing,
>> 'fly proprietors' and 'mule fly proprietors'? If it helps to have a
>> it's John Spencer and family, in Market Place Sidmouth in 1851 and
>> THanks very much - I;m stumped!
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Appreciate a loook up for John Plumming , Plymyn or variant in Stoke Damerel
in the 1841 census.
Constance Plymen Hammett
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> Dear all
> This message was in the LostCousins spring letter and I thought it would be
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could anyone please advise what my relatives in Sidmouth were doing, as 'fly proprietors' and 'mule fly proprietors'? If it helps to have a look, it's John Spencer and family, in Market Place Sidmouth in 1851 and 1871.
THanks very much - I;m stumped!
If the Church has a cemetery I want to check whether there are Holbertons buried there.
Could someone please tell me if that information is available and where or alternately would there be an e-mail address for the Church?
Many thanks to both Kirsty and Elizabeth for their transcription of information
from the 1861 and 1871 Census.
John and Charlotte (Rook) Dennis had one child, Mary, born at Kentisbury in
In 1861 census, John Dennis was a farmer of 50 acres employing 1 boy, living at
Yonder Lake in Meshaw, Devon.
Charlottes death is registered in December Quarter 1862 in South Molton
Registration District, which includes the village of Meshaw.
The 1871 Census has John Dennis as a Lodging House Keeper in Bath, and he has
remarried to Elizabeth ?? born in Marwood, Devon.
--- Fenella Rook <allennef(a)yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Hi Listers:
> Charlotte ROOK (baptized 19 December 1819 at Trentishoe, daughter of Francis
> and Mary Rook of Rudd) married John DENNIS (baptized 4 April 1824 at
> Arlington, son of George and Mary Dennis) at Arlington 5 April 1849.
> In 1851 census, John and Charlotte DENIS are shown living at Kentisbury.
> Does anyone know if this couple had children?
> Thanks.... Fenella in Ontario
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In a message dated 27/02/2006 22:30:19 GMT Standard Time,
could anyone please advise what my relatives in Sidmouth were doing, as 'fly
proprietors' and 'mule fly proprietors'? If it helps to have a look, it's
John Spencer and family, in Market Place Sidmouth in 1851 and 1871.
1) Drove a "fly" a one horse two wheeled light carriage 2) Flyman also a
term for a theatre stage hand 3) A Fly Proprietor employed fly drivers and
usually owned the flys.
Moyra thank you for your look-up.You hit it on the nail.
That is mt Sarah Widemy gggrandmother and Hannah my
ggggrandmother. You found two sisters for Sarah that I did
not know about. A researchers work is never done.
Now I wonder where Jonh her father was?
I see that Brad has given a website address for the church. But the
burial registers are in the Devon Record Office 1556-1908,
Alternatively, the Totnes Museum research service at...
might help for a small charge, if the OPC Beverly Edmonds
mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org doesn't cover that date.
Incidentally, it is helpful if you mention what dates you are
It isn't usually much use e-mailing a church about parish records.
They can only pass you on to someone else, unless the date is very
I do have one Mary Cleave HOLBERTON born Totnes 1809 in my database,
but she married a John LIDSTONE and died in Kingsbridge 1886.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bne06740" <mmcgavin(a)quicknet.com.au>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:24 AM
Subject: [DEV] St.Mary's Church Totnes
> If the Church has a cemetery I want to check whether there are
Holbertons buried there.
> Could someone please tell me if that information is available and
where or alternately would there be an e-mail address for the Church?
> Pamela McGavin
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:24:16 +1000
"bne06740" <mmcgavin(a)quicknet.com.au> wrote:
> please tell me if that information is available and
> where or alternately would there be an e-mail address for the Church?
A quick Google would find you this;
http://www.stmarystotnes.org.uk/ which includes an email address.
Sadly, no details about the cemetery.
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
My father always told me that his great uncles were involved in the
building of the huge brick chminey at the Ivybridge Paper Mill.
My father also claimed there was a bronze plaque fixed to the chimney
commemorating the men that built it.
On one of my research jaunts in 1997 I gained access to the Paper Mill
and found that an "engine room" has been built around the base of the
chimney. Inside where the chimney wall curves into the straight wall of
the engine house I found evidence of a plaque being afixed to the
chimney - right in a tight corner where, after the construction onf the
engine house, it would never have been seen.
Therefore I suspect it was removed at the beginning of the construction
of the engine room.
Questions. 1) does anybody know the year the chimney was built?
2) When was the engine house built at it's base
3) Does anyone have any clue where that plaque might reside now? Or
have a transcription of it's inscription?
James A Walke
Researching WALK and WALKE as a one name study
From Genuki Cornwall
> MAKER parish, which occupies a great part of the bold promontory and
> peninsula, which juts out into the English Channel on the west side of
> Plymouth Sound, and the south side of the harbour of Hamoaze, opposite
> Stonehouse and Devonport, is partly in Cornwall, and contains 2725
> inhabitants and 2260 acres of land, of which 1156 souls and about 1320
> acres are in VAULTERSHOME tithing, which is in Devonshire, and
> includes the beautiful seat of Mount Edgcumbe, the parish church, the
> village of Kingsand, and part of Millbrook. The whole parish is in the
> Archdeaconry of Cornwall and deanery of East, and the Union of St
> Germans. . . The Parish church of Maker is dedicated to St. Macra, and
> the living is a discharged vicarage, valued at £2333, in the patronage
> of the Lord Chancellor, and the incumbency of the Rev. Edward
> Trelawney, M.A." [From: White's History, Gazetteer and Directory of
> Devonshire, 1850]
> The name of the parish is said to have been derived from either St
> Macarius, a native of Egypt, who flourished in the 14th century, or
> from St Macra, the virgin daughter of a Scottish King, who was
> martyred at Rheims in AF 304. It is bounded on the north by St John's
> Lake, on the east by Plymouth Sound and on the south by the parish of
> Rame and the sea. Peskett: "The tithing of Vaulterhome was in the
> county of Devon until it was transferred to Cornwall in 1844.
> Millbrook and West Stonehouse (distinguish East Stonehouse) are in
> this parish." Millbrook was created from part of Maker in 1867.
> The parish, which in 1943 was united with that of Rame, is in the
> extreme south-east of Cornwall separated from Plymouth by the stretch
> of water known as 'Plymouth Sound'. The two villages in Maker and Rame
> are Kingsand and Cawsand.
On 27 Feb 2006, at 10:11, Julie Facey wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> I have located GG Grandfather Andrew Thomas LOBB on the 1851 census in
> Lymington, Hampshire, aged 30 a Master Butcher born Torquay, Devon.
> His wife was Jane LOBB born Lymington.
> I have found only one Andrew LOBB entry on the IGI in a place called
> Maker, which I can't find on Multimap. Can anyone offer advice as to
> how I can pin down the LOBB family in the Torquay area?
> Many thanks
I have located GG Grandfather Andrew Thomas LOBB on the 1851 census in
Lymington, Hampshire, aged 30 a Master Butcher born Torquay, Devon. His
wife was Jane LOBB born Lymington.
I have found only one Andrew LOBB entry on the IGI in a place called Maker,
which I can't find on Multimap. Can anyone offer advice as to how I can pin
down the LOBB family in the Torquay area?
A very grateful thanks to all who sent me information.It has made my 93 year
old father in law very happy.
Appreciate a lookup of the marriage register in Newton Abbot,Devon
for Edmund James and Mary Rogers Millman in 1847 .
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I have no connection to the family but here they are in 1851 on ancestry.com
72 Eclestone? Sq, St. George Hanover Square, Westminster
George F MORTIMER, Head, Mar, 45, D D Head Master of City of London School,
Jane Mortimer, Wife, Mar, 42, -, Devonshire
Christian Mortimer, Son, Un, 14, Scholar, Devonshire
Alexander R Mortimer, Son, un, 12, Scholar, Devonshire
Isabella M Mortimer, Daur, -, 10, Scholar, London
Brooke C Mortimer, Son, -, 8, Scholar at Home, London
J Curson? Mortimer, Son, -, 6, Scholar at Home, London
George F W Mortimer, Son, -, 4, Scholar at Home, London
Louisa Mortimer, Daur, -, 2, -, London
Frederick Mortimer, Son, -, 9 Mo, -, London
Rectory, Niton, Isle of Wight, Hants
George HAYTON, Head, Unm, 30. M A of Oxford & Rector of Niton, ? Cumberland
G F W Mortimer, Visitor, Married, 55, D D of Oxford & City of London School,
Jane Mortimer, Visitor, Married, 51, -, Teignmouth Devon
No sign of the rest of the family though.
Salisbury, Wiltshire, UK
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Valletort(a)aol.com [mailto:Valletort@aol.com]
> Sent: 26 February 2006 21:41
> To: DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [DEV] MORTIMER family research.
> I'm researching the MORTIMER/MORTIMORE family who came from
> the area surrounding Dartmouth. They married into the HILL
> family of Plymouth in the early 19th C.
> My wife was researching her ancestors in Dunster, Somerset
> and came across the following in the 1871 census:
> George. F. W. MORTIMER, age 65 (b. 1806) Prebendary of St.
> Paul's Cathedral, born in Bishopsteignton.
> Jane MORTIMER, wife, age 61 (b. 1810), born in Teignmouth.
> They, and a number of well-to-do guests were listed as
> visitors and I believe they were staying at the Dunster Arms
> hotel, an old watering hole of mine.
> Does anyone know anything about this particular branch of the
> family? If I'd love to hear from you.
> John Cornelius
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I am looking for help tracing the Waterfield family from Tavistock.
My Grt Grt Grandfather Robert Waterfield was born in Tavistock 1808 and from his baptism record his father was Mark Waterfield and mother Ann Waterfield.
Looking for help in finding Mark and Ann`s Birth, Marriage and Death and also if Robert had any brothers and sisters.