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Does anyone know why th eelectoral rolls in Plymouth seem to only begin in
the 1930's- I have just been organising a trip to Plymouth Library from
oxfordshire next week to look back at all my addresses to try and piece more
info together- to be told I cant go back pre 1935!?? is this right? its very
frustrating if true!
Could someone with access to the 1841 census look up a family for me -
William CHILCOTT born Torquay about 1828 his occupation is Cabinet Maker,
wife's name Charlotte.
I have found the family in 1861 & 71 living in London but cannot spot him on
the 1851 census index CD
Any help appreciated
re the Grapes public house in Pimlico. I have a copy of an old map of
Pimlico. The grapes is indeed the
public house at 1 pimlico now renamed but the london Inn is clearly marked
on the map as a building long demolished at the rear of the old marks and
sparks, now primark. The original of this map is in the local studies
section of Torquay library. On the list of Brewster sessions in I believe
the september of every year reported in the local newspapers you will find
that during the early to mid 1870's William Pearce is licensee of the
London, Thomas Davies licensee of the Grapes, Richard Pym is licensee of the
Mason's arms (where Axworthys used to be) and Robert Skinner was licensee of
the Fishermans arms ( this is marked on the map as being on the same side of
the road as the london Inn, a little further toward the Market street). The
london Inn was a beerhouse, and when william Pearse first applied for the
licence the application was held over until William submitted a reference to
his good character from his previous place of abode - Topsham. This he did
within a week, if my memory serves me right, and the licence was granted. as
the grapes and the london Inn were both licensed at the same time there is
no way they are the same place. Hope this clears the matter up.
I was interested to see your Foster family as I am researching a Plymouth
Foster family- head is Joseph John Foster baptised in West Teignmouth Devon
to a John and Sarah Foster -father a mariner-my Joseph becomes a merchant
seaman/fisherman and one of his seamens tickets was issued in Ramsgate in
=he had a long career but met a tragic death by drowning in the Laira river
Plymouth in his retirement.Unfortunately the parents I had for him do not
seem to be correct according to information from another Foster
researcher-there are many Fosters in Plymouth but they do not all seem to
fit together it seems! so I am continuing trying to piece together the
puzzle! My Joseph married a Sarah Clay 1850 in Stoke damerel, daughter of
Richard Clay a seaman.
I was sent some details early part of last week for look up in the Sheldon Parish Registers. Unfortuneately this computer blew it's piece last Thursday afternoon right in the middle of my backing up files would you believe. Unfortunately despite my best efforts I was unable to salvage many files. However this computer now complete with new hard drive did not contain any of my family History research. Sigh of reilief. However it did contain a few odd emails. So if you are awaiting my reply on anything to do with Look ups in Sheldon please resend those details
Regards Terry Blackmore
OPC Sheldon, Devon.
I would really like to see the image of this entry.
John PASMORE is living at Norton House, Newton St. Cyres. I really
think that Thomas is his father. I would like to try to confirm this.
John PASMORE was christened 21 Feb 1821 at Newton St. Cyres, son of
Thomas & Mary PASMORE. John marries Elizabeth WILCOCKS in 1858 and John
dies in 1870 at age 49 & is buried in Newton St. Cyres.
In the IGI, I have found a Thomas PASMORE christened 31 Jan 1785 in
Stockleigh Pomeroy, son of James & Grace PASMORE.
JOHN PASMORE U30farmer 112acres NEWTON ST CYRES DEV
THOMAS PASMORE W66land owner STOCKLEY
ELLEN EDWARDS 8niece COTHELSTONE SOM
ELIZABETH RISDEN U25 serv IDE
JOHN ALFRED 15 serv SILVERTON
JOHN STEVENS 14 serv BRADNICH
NORTON NEWTON ST CYRES
I would also like to try to locate this Thomas PASMORE in the 1841
Census. As John & his siblings were christened at Newton St. Cyres
between 1809 & 1823, Thomas might be in Newton St. Cyres in 1841 . or
All help appreciated.
Sincerely, Karen Johnson, Vancouver, Canada
I have now completed the basic research. in some cases up to the 1901
census, for the following Surnames and wonder if any other list members have
the same interests.
CHIPMAN of Modbury Devon, to 1817 when she married Charles HOCKINS in 1834
Living there in 1851 as widow, prop of houses.
1861 census has her as CHAPMAN
Philip William HOCKING b 1838 Devonport
Married Susan Ellen MOORMAN in 1869
He died 1875 in Devonport.
She died 1877 in Hackney London.
Daughter married in South Africa [ our family line ]
1 Son [ see below under Joseph Davie HOCKINS ]
Joseph Davie HOCKINS b 1841 Devonport
Living 1901 Mortlake Surrey, Printer Compositer
Looked after nephew Charles James HOCKINS b 1872 Morice Town Devonport., who
died or emigated before 1901
Walter J HOCKINS b 1844 Devonport
Living 1891 at Coatham, North Riding Yorkshire. after living near
Hartlepool, Co. Durham
Wife Ann ? b Middlesex. c1867
Living 1901 Redcar
I also have this line from North Molton c1609, Cornwall, Devon and Channel
Grateful for any similar contacts
A big thankyou to Lora, Dawn, Elizabeth, Arthur, Mike and Diane for helping me with my Bennett search.
This is a wonderful list - so helpful and informative.
Thankyou so much again,
Lisa in very windy Ballarat.
My grandfather's econd marriage was to Emily Nute (nee Thomas). Her first
husband was Charles Edward Nute, born 1873 in Plymouth. Charles' parents were
Wallace Nute and Alice Kitt. In 1861 Wallace's birthplace was given as East
If any of this rings any bells with anyone, I would love to hear from you.
Only this one from the 1841 index on originsnetwork.com of the right age.
Higher Brode or Boode, Braunton, Devon
Henry PASSMORE, 60, Farmer, Born in Devon
... Snipped the rest of the PASSMORE family but can supply them if you want.
The following are probably employed by the farmer as they are in the same
James VICARY, 20, Ag Lab, Born in Devon
William MITCHELL, 15, Ag Lab, Born in Devon
Faith WARE, 20, FS, Born in Devon
Thomas ADAMS, 13, Ap., Born in Devon
Salisbury, Wiltshire, UK
> From: Debbidoughnut41(a)aol.com [mailto:Debbidoughnut41@aol.com]
> Subject: [DEV] FAITH WARE 1841 census
> Can SkS find me the above named lady on the 1841 please?A
> kind person looked
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In the 1851 census -- HO/107/1894 Folio: 259 Page: 12
Address: Dolton Village, Census Place: Dolton Torrington
Richard COX Head M 29 M Cordwainer Pilton-Dev
Ann COX Wife M 26 F Glover Dolton-Dev
James BRIGHT FatL W 52 M Farm Lab Dolton-Dev
I am interested in Ann and her father James BRIGHT and family
Ann should be about 16 and her Mother should be Mary.
Trying to find if this family are listed with maybe extra children if possible.
William LETHBRIDGE, bc 1797 Plympton St Mary, DEV
Johanna/Johanah LETHBRIDGE, bc 1797 Newton Bushell, DEV
Benjamin LETHBRIDGE, bc 1834 Plymouth, DEV
Anthony LETHBRIDGE, bc 1837 Plymouth, DEV
The above info comes from the 1851 Census.
The family was living at 1 Vauxhall Street, Plymouth.
Coldstream, Vic, AUS
Good afternoon (Connecticut time).
If anyone is researching the ALLEN family of Stoke Damerel or Devonport I
would like to hear from you. My interest is in possible children from the
marriage of Celenia Hill (pawnbroker's assistant) to George Edward ALLEN in 1871. The
marriage was in Stoke Damerel.
All contributions gratefully received!
Could SKS kindly look in the 1841 census for George PEAKE, born in 1764 in North Devon. He was probably living at 10 Queen Street in Plymouth. I would like to know any others in his household.
With many thanks,
Thank you for this response.
My original query concerned my 4GGF, David RAPSON, apprenticed to a
shoemaker at the age of nine. I now understand that there were two main
types of apprenticeship. One in which the parents arranged the
apprenticeship for their child, who had to be at least ten, and the other,
in David's case, where the apprenticeship was agreed under the Poor Law.
I've now found David's settlement papers under Poor Law Records on the A2A
Thanks also to the other helpful people, contacted individually, who
replied to my posting.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mm-lists" <mm-lists(a)ntlworld.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 1:11 AM
Subject: RE: [DEV] Apprentices
> In same cases the parents had to pay a premium to the master for the
> apprenticeship though I'm not clear how much money was involved.
> Another point I'm not clear on and which is relevant to Devon is if there
> were formal apprenticeships in agriculture which would of course be the
> majority of the workforce from labourer and upwards.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J.E. Harris [mailto:email@example.com]
> > Sent: 27 August 2005 07:54
> > To: DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [DEV] Apprentices
> > Hello Joy
> > I don't know if anyone answered you but the best book I know
> > for answers to any questions like this is:
> > The Dictionary of Genealogy - Terrick V.H. Fitzhugh (first
> > edition published 1985)
> > It should be available in any library that has genealogy
> > books in their reference section under 929 if that library
> > uses the Dewey system.
> > I have the fourth edition of this book and the info about
> > apprentices covers more than a page. Briefly, there were two
> > kinds of apprentices, Trade Apprentices bound by their own
> > parents voluntarily to a master to learn a town trade and
> > Poor Apprentices- pauper children. The former had to be 10,
> > under 18, the son of a freeman etc etc. The Poor Apprentices
> > are those that we usually find in our travels back through
> > the years as they were placed by the Parish officials. These
> > Parish officials were governed by the Poor Law Act of 1601
> > and the Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor, with the
> > consent of two Justices, were empowered to apprentice to a
> > trade or husbandry any child under 16 whose parents they
> > judged not able to maintain him/her. In this way the parish
> > would not become financially responsible for these pauper
> > children. Some were apprenticed to learn "husbandry" or
> > "housewifery" and essentially became servants in that household.
> > I think that these apprentices had to have permission from
> > their masters to marry and that is why we find that many men
> > were over the age of 24 when they married. Don't quote me on
> > that as this book doesn't have this information but I think I
> > read that bit of trivia someplace or other.
> > Jean Harris in Toronto, Ontario
> > DFHS#2006
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