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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:13:18 -0800
From: "glenys mcquistin" <glenys(a)cwcom.net>
How is it that I'm told the 1891 census is not out yet, & yet have
seen quotes from it a number of times tonight. I ordered the 1881
census from the Mormons last night & asked before ordering if it was
possible to have the 91 & was told not out.? glenys(a)cwcom.net
The 1891 census that will be online, probably in April, is the PRO's
pilot for the 1901 census. It will just cover Norfolk and will be
'pay-to-view'. The 1901 is scheduled to come online on 2nd Jan 2001.
Of course, you can join the Free Census project and help to put the
whole of the 1891 online.
Cornwall Online Census Project
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: EASTERBROOK
> My gg-grandfather was an estate steward at Templeton for the Chichesters
> Calverleigh and I am putting his account book on my website,
> www.lupton2.freeserve.co.uk/templeton/intro.htm, plus any other details I
> can find on the people of Templeton on
> Barbara in Lancashire (formerly Croydon area!)
I am new to this list, about one week, and was I suprised to find this
site. I am not much at typing so I will copy a note I just sent out. It will
explain some but I expect it will bring a number of questions............I
sent the following to Terry Blackmore..........
I see that you research Chichester's of Devon any period. Can you look at
my PAF file I will copy and see if you can help me with my Chichester's.
Colonel Hugh Arthur Chichester's three sons,Charles I have some information
on, but Amyos ( he also came to Canada) and Bishop Aston, who went to South
Africa, no dates or places?
Descendants of C. J. CHICHESTER
24 Feb 2001
1. C. J. CHICHESTER (b.Abt 1760-Of Calverleighcourt,Devonshire,England)
sp: Mrs-C.J. CHICHESTER (b.Abt 1764-Of
2. Sir Charles CHICHESTER (b.1792-Of,Calverleigh,Devonshire,England;d.4 Apr
1847-Toronto,Ont.,Canada) ( I have copy of epitaph in Tronto)
sp: Mary Barbara Clifford CONSTABLE (b.Abt
1792-Tixhall,Staffordshire,England;m.8 Apr 1826;d.14 Dec 1876)
3. Charles Raleigh CHICHESTER (b.1830-Of Arlington,Devonshire,England)
sp: Mary BALFE (m.24 Jun 1852)
3. Colonel Hugh Arthur CHICHESTER (b.1833-Of Arlington,Devon,England)
sp: Alice Mary STAINFORTH (b.Abt 1852-Bruges,Devon,England;m.19 Nov
1873;d.24 Mar 1928) (( I have death card,Menbre du Tiers--Order de Saint
Francois d' Assise ??
4. Charles Joseph Arthur CHICHESTER (b.14 Dec 1874;d.17 May 1912-North
sp: Hannah Anne PIPE (b.11 Oct 1875-Bungay,Suffolk,England.;m.ca1896;d.9 Jun
5. Bertram William CHICHESTER (b.20 Jun 1898-England;d.12 May
sp: Katherine PALMER (m.11 Oct 1924)
4. Amyos CHICHESTER
4. Bishop Aston CHICHESTER (b.c.1879-England)
I hope you can follow this, I inherited Bertrum's estate,my mother was
brought up by Hannah Chichester his mother. In his personal belonging, lots
of Chichester items, pictures, silver christ. mugs, letter's lots of
letters, 1905 on ward. Letters from Neville B. Chichester, from Isle of
Wight re family history. More from Basil O'Connell, K.M. from The
Genealogical Office,Dublin Castle, he is recording the family NAGLE and
hence Chichester descendants. I have put together the above information from
some of the information I have and some from the PAF LDF site. I had the
Chichester Chart by Neville, but I cannot locate it now.
I have lots more information, I have a will re Templeton Estate in Devon, a
small village 700 acres, the will ofLady Marianne Clifford Constable.
enough for now, I await your reply.
Michael J. Frost
Aldergrove, B.C. Canada
I have redone my web site and hopefully have solved the problems some people
were having in trying to access it. If any problems still exist please let
me know. (Gently please, or I may end up tearing my hair out!)
OPC (online Parish Clerk for Torquay)
Any Torquay (ancient & modern) information welcome.
Visit my web site at www.leaman.freeserve.co.uk
for information and photos about Torquay and vicinity including index to
1861 census for St Mary Church
Apologies to all for my mistake between release of 1901 and 1891
Got a bit carried away there!
Have been using the 1891 from fiche for 9 years.
Thanks for the helpful replies I received.
Will try to posess my soul in patience until 2.01.02
Dear List please forgive the off topic posting.
I have to say how sorry I am for the English livestock farmers at present.
Although I have no REAL idea how horrible this emergency is to UK stockman
what I imagine is bad enough. What I saw on the news tonight brought tears
to my eyes.
I am a cattleman (cattlewoman to be pedantic) myself and cannot begin to
imagine how bad I would feel if my entire herd and years and years of
breeding and hopes, dreams and plans for future breeding was slaughtered
and went up in smoke.
It is 2/3 years between planning and selling of each generation of cattle;
4 years between planning a calf and the calf being born from mating that
better calf. A lot of the stockman's inner self goes into his/her animals.
For all the business of cattle rearing being a business, one gets to know
the personalities of some of the various animals. They become part of one's
day. Suddenly to look at empty paddocks, (sorry, fields) would be heart
wrenching. I would have to help in the destruction to make it easier for
the cattle - that would be soul destroying.
I do hope that here is enough £ compensation to be able to re-stock when it
is possible. I realise that there is no way to compensate for hopes and
My commiserations to you all. I do hope that this resolves itself quickly.
To non-farmer listers, PLEASE obey the regulations happily. This is more
than the government saying where you can go and what you can do - in your
hands are the livelihoods and hopes and dreams of many.
My very best wishes
I am trying to trace the family of John Gay who was born abt 1635 at
Goldsworthy Manor Devon. I have found a number of GAYs on the 1881 census,
but none appear to be living at Goldsworthy Manor. I found a Goldworthy
Manor in Parkham, hundred of Shebbear, on a WEB page but cannot find it
again. Can anyone help.
At 18:35 28/02/2001 +0000, Ruth Bartlett wrote:
>A friend who lives in Southport writes to me as follows:
>I am pleased to be able to give you info re. Smedley Hydro Census
>They are having OPEN DAYS on the 5th & 6th of April. People are coming
>from all over the country
>and the only appointments times still available are 9.15am to 11.15am on
>the two days.
>By-the-way I'm told the 1891 census will be ready in April and it is going
>on the net.
The 1891 census has been available in film form since 1992.....the
Government are producing as a Pilot Project, just (i.e. only!!) the 1891
NORFOLK census onto the net in _about_ April. Meanwhile, the FreeCEN
project is working towards getting the 1891 Devon and Cornwall censuses
onto the net by the Autumn, with other counties following.
>Is this generally known to those living in the U.K? I was under the
>impression that we
>didn't get to see the 1901 census until Jan 1 2002.
That is correct. The 1901.....not the 1891.
Technical Co-ordinator, FreeCEN
Bringing YOUR ancestors to YOU, free of charge. Come and join us.
Please see: http://freecen.rootsweb.com/
I'm back on the site after a long absence due to illness.
I've discovered that my Howlett ancestors moved to Newfoundland from Devon in 1765 and not from Ireland as originally thought.
James Howlett was born in Shaldon 1755. His Son Patrick Howlett married Lydia Hannaford 1802 in Newfoundland.
Lydia was born in Brixham in 1787. Her parents were John Hannaford and Lydia Sharpham both from Totnes.
I would be grateful for any information on any of these families.
All the best
To Gerri and R. Ian MacPherson,
I used the USA search engine call Hot Bot (www.HotBot.com) to find the sites. If you type in +Stone Mason +England, a number of web sites related to Stone Masonry will be listed. Two in particular were very interesting:
This site tells about Nicholas Stone, a famous Devon stone mason-sculptor of the early 17th century.
This site describes in detail Medieval stone castle masonry in England.
How is it that I'm told the 1891 census is not out yet, & yet have seen quotes from it a number of times tonight. I ordered the 1881 census from the Mormons last night & asked before ordering if it was possible to have the 91 & was told not out.? glenys(a)cwcom.net
A friend who lives in Southport writes to me as follows:
I am pleased to be able to give you info re. Smedley Hydro Census headquarters.
They are having OPEN DAYS on the 5th & 6th of April. People are coming from all over the country
and the only appointments times still available are 9.15am to 11.15am on the two days.
By-the-way I'm told the 1891 census will be ready in April and it is going on the net.
Is this generally known to those living in the U.K? I was under the impression that we
didn't get to see the 1901 census until Jan 1 2002.
Sorry if I've missed something and you all know this already.
Please address any queries to Smedley Hydro and not to me as I know nothing!
I have info on these Devonians found on the 1891 Bow fiche
-please contact off list.
RABJOHNS, NORTHCOTT, SKINNER,VANSTONE, STANLAKE,
SCHELL,PEARSE, FLANDERS, WILLIAMS, SHUTTLEWORTH, SIMMONS.
and if you are missing a rellie these people in the Grove
Hall lunatic asylum only were written with initials.
W T G, married @48, baker born Exeter, Devon
J E D single, @33, jewell case maker born Bideford, Devon
regards Joe & Pam TRICKEY (QLD, Australia)
researching TRICKEY, GODDEN, KIMBER, ISWORTH, PEACHEY,
Hi To All,
It is allmost a full month since Judy Wasylenko sent me the following as a link to my Samuel Tozer // Maria Carlile marriage,, and wonder if any person is able to look into things for me ???????
Samuel Tozer married Plymouth Deecember 1/4 1851 ref 1x535 (sic)
To recap ::-- This Samuel Tozer >> my Grand Ma`s Dad`s Dad was born Brixham 1830 ish a Fisherman,, married a Maria Carlile born 1828 ish in Guemsey,, with their 1st of many children == being Samuel Jnr == G/Ma`s Dad born 1853 in Hull / York.
Am still after the parents of this early Samuel = which is why I seek his marriage details..
Do hope someone can help me out.
Reply to Erin Ardley,
Looking for descendants of the following:
James Clegg, smith, born probably in Colyton Devon about 1790 or 1800.
He married ??????
His son was James Clegg, born 1825ish in Colyton Devon. Moved to St.
Helier and married Eliza Turner in 1846. Eliza's father was William
Turner, gardener. Eliza was born in Southampton.
James and Eliza had about 9 children - there have got to be some
descendants out there somewhere! My gg grandfather was Walter Sidney
Clegg, b. Channel Islands 1858. He married Emily Sabina Barrett in
Cardiff Wales in Feb. 1882. I'm not sure when he died as, according to
family legend, he disappeared without a trace. This would have been
sometime after 1897 and probably before 1914.
In a somewhat earthquake-shaken Victoria BC Canada
Your presumption is correction. There's some confusion due to a pilot
program being available in spring 2001, but it uses the 1891 data, not 1901
data. See my answer below to the same question on another mailing list.
The most recent information from the ONS website was that a pilot
program for 1891 census was going on-line in the spring. Here's a quote
from their website at http://www.pro.gov.uk/census/update3.htm
"Pilot Work is well under way on planning for the 1891 Pilot which
should be available on the Internet in the Spring of 2001. There will be a
charge for accessing the pilot data (images and transcriptions) because we
do need to test out all aspects of the service as part of the pilot.
Accessing and searching the index will be free (as described in the August
Update). We will be publicising more details about the pilot early next
year. If you are not on the Internet at home then you will probably be able
to access the pilot at your local library or record office (or anywhere that
provides Internet access). There will be an opportunity to give us feedback
through an online questionnaire."
It seems that the 1891 Pilot program is being used to test the access
methods for on-line delivery of the indexes and images. Presumably once the
1891 Pilot program is smoothed out, it will be the framework for delivering
the 1901 data in a similar manner. The same website at
http://www.pro.gov.uk/census/factsheet.htm talks further about the 1901
"The 1901 Census for England and Wales was taken on 31 March 1901. The
population at the time was over 32 million. The 1901 Census returns will be
made available for public consultation on the first working day of January
2002. The Public Record Office (PRO) has awarded a contract to the Defence
Evaluation and Research Agency (DERA) to digitise the returns and make them
available electronically via the Internet from that date."
It looks like the January 2002 release date is still in effect for the
1901 census. I believe that they are restricted by law from releasing the
1901 census data until then.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry & Dawn Hewitt" <lhdh(a)cadvision.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: DEVON-D Digest V01 #134
> Hi Folks: Is it true that the 1901 census is going to be availsble in
> 2001? I presumed it would not be available till Jan 2002.
> Larry in Calgary
Goodday All from Campbellford,Ontario Canada. My G.Grandfather was John Cudmore & I believe he is the one listed on the IGI as born Nov.28 1802 & was the son of Richard Cudmore who married Elizabeth Williams July 5 1795 ! However I don't have any proof of this & ask for help in doing so.----George Cudmore seems to be his brother Christened May 10 1807 & we have better proof he was Richard's son ,as there is a write-up on him in Toronto history. They both came to Toronto about 1843 & I think were the right ages compared to their census records. I have had trouble finding where John & his wife Christiana died & this makes it difficult to prove ages. Any help is appreciated Larry Healey
The Post Office do have an archive that it is possible to search. The address is:-
Post Office Heritage Services.
Mount Pleasant Sorting Office
London, EC1A 1BB. Tel:- 0207 239257
Best wishes,Jim Rogers.
Don Farnham wrote:
> Hi Listers,
> Does anyone know if there is a list for people tracing ancestors who worked for the Post Office, or anywhere I might find information for Postmistresses?
> Don Farnham from sunny and hot Cheshire, England
> Researching Norsters and Nosters everywhere !
> Registered with the Guild of One Name Studies