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This is a general question for anyone who has been doing this
research long enough to have come across this situation.
How are illegitimate children of peers dealt with especially with
regard to the census?
Would the sons be destined to become remittence men in the colonies?
This is a vein I'm having to consider as I've hit a dead end.
Is anyone else researching either the Chapple or Eykelbosch families in
Edred Chapple (b Kenton c.1793) was noted as a stonemason on the 1851
census. His daughter, Ellen Elizabeth CHAPPLE was born in Exeter c. 1825
and married William EYKELBOSCH here in 1852.
I now have more information on the CHAMPLIN family that I am
in Bideford England. It is known that the earliest recorded CHAMPLIN
was as early as the 1400's. It is presumed that the first CHAMPLIN IN
came in 1066 with William the Conqueror (a Norman) when he defeated
the Saxon King Harold in 1066. The name CHAMPLIN is of Norman origin.
The Norman's while living in what is today France, were actually
not French. We have found plenty fo Champlins in Devonshire and in
But have been unable to find Jeffrey/Geoffrey CHAMPLIN/CHAMPLAIN'S
His parents and brothers didn't come to America with him. He was born
1618-1621. So the parents would have to be of an age that could allow
them to be Jeffrey's parents. I sure would appreciate any lookups or
help that I could
Thanks. Sincerely, Sandra sandrah(a)junct.com Okla.
I have been searching the RICE family of Whitby Ontario Canada for many
years and have traced them back to Bratton Clovelly, Devonshire. I have
never been able to find out anything about my GGgrandfather James Rice
other than he was born in Bratton Clovelly in 1807 and the names of his
parents: James Rice Sr and Mary Hortop. I am wondering if there is
anyone out there who might be familiar with the Rices from Bratton
Also according to James Rice's family bible, he ..."came to Canada in
1834, returned in 1837 and in 1840 settled at Whitby, Ontario"...
By that time (1834) he was 27 years old. I am wondering whether he
could have been married previously? What type of occupation would he
have been involved in to travel back and forth to Canada in those years?
Any guidance on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Against a brick wall!
The Transactions of the Devonshire Association has articles on Devon dialect
in the early volumes from late last century. These are in Melbourne's State
Library but you have to order them in from Abbotsford.
From: Fi Cutting <fcutting(a)alphalink.com.au>
To: DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com <DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Tuesday, 30 March 1999 11:01
Subject: spelling, and language in Devon
>Re the standardisation of spelling, John Downes' very handy little book
>A Dictionary of Devon Dialect (Padstow: Tabb House, 1986) has an
>informative introduction which attributes standardisation to Dr
>Johnson's Dictionary, published 1755. Downes' book itself is really
>worth having, covering social history as well as dialect in Devon, and
>providing a guide to the local accent which should help people who are
>wondering how their devonian ancestors sounded. I don't know whether or
>not it's still in print, but anyone who can't get hold of it could try
>the publishers at
>11 Church St
>Fi (in Melbourne).
I am new to the list, thus this note:
I have been working through the LDS here in Vancouver, Canada and have made
some progress except for the near time primarily due to the restriction re
privacy of later census rolls.
My father and mothers names were Robert H. Savery and Margaret Aitcheson
Henderson. My father and mothers names were Sam Savery/Bessie Maynard.
Apparently according to my father the Savery's were on the hundred rolls,
which ones I am not sure. We are related, again according to my father, to
Thomas Savery of steam fame. Sir Christopher Savery and Servington Savery
were related as well.
I obtained a copy of "SAVERY FAMILIES" by A. W. SAVARY, M.A. published by
Colins Press/Boston. It provides extensive documentation on the development
of the Savery/Savary/Severit etc names from 990ad to the present in the
USA. As it is a study of the Savery's in the USA it stops in the 1700's
relative to the UK Savery's thus the connection to our family is not apparent.
The Savery's seem to me to be from Devon and Somerset and Wiltshire but as
I do not have any information on Sam and Bessie Savery I have no been able
to work back from the turn of the century. My father died in 1980.
My name is Maynard St. John Savery
Any help would be appreciated........cheers
Re the standardisation of spelling, John Downes' very handy little book
A Dictionary of Devon Dialect (Padstow: Tabb House, 1986) has an
informative introduction which attributes standardisation to Dr
Johnson's Dictionary, published 1755. Downes' book itself is really
worth having, covering social history as well as dialect in Devon, and
providing a guide to the local accent which should help people who are
wondering how their devonian ancestors sounded. I don't know whether or
not it's still in print, but anyone who can't get hold of it could try
the publishers at
11 Church St
Fi (in Melbourne).
Hi there everyone,
Can I be so rude as to ask that - if anyone is doing a look up at
Lambhay Street, Plymouth in the 1891 Census could they look at the
whole street for my SPRAGUE's. whilst looking up DAVIS at
6 Lambhay Street, Plymouth for Ann.
Thank you so much
Howard, Joh and list
A bit of trivia on "Thirza". I was sworn in as a Queensland Australia
Police Officer on the 22 April 1971 with the Registered Number 8189 (later
changed and renumbered by a new Police Commissioner to 1354). On the 14
April 1991 a women named Thirza STAFFORD (married name) was sworn in with
the Registered Number 1929. It was such an event in our local area that it
appeared (with a photograph) in the local newspaper. I doubt if a
coincidence like it had occurred before or since; STAFFORD twenty years
apart with the same Registered Number.
Brisbane Queensland Australia
> From: Howard Jensen <hmj(a)gte.net>
> To: DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Thirza
> Date: Tuesday, 30 March 1999 3:53
> In my wife's family is a Thirza EVANS who was born in 1842 in Devon. We
> have a sampler she made in 1850 with her name on it. I have also
> located her in the church records and it is the same spelling.
> Howard Jensen, Largo, FL
> > Noting all the messaging on forenames I have a problem with a female
> > as "THURZA", pet name possibly but what for? has anyone else come
> > If I could fit it to an Elizabeth then that would be very useful but I
> > enlightenment . . .
> > John.
Thre is no useful genealogical information on any of the national
census before 1841.Prior to this date,they were for statistical use
The only thing that might help you is the trade directories of the area
but as this date is rather early for the Plymouth books,the only people
to appear are those of prominence so unless the person you're looking
for was of some importance in the area,you're unlikely to find him.
Stuart's HomePage is at http://www.btinternet.com/~sfmov
The origin of the name Thirza/Thirsa is certainly reputed to stem from the
book, The Death of Abel.
This was written - in German - by the Swiss poet and artist, Solomon
Gessner, who was born in Zürich in 1730.
Subsequently, it was translated into English by the Rev Thomas Newcomb, the
first UK publication being in 1763.
Thirza was the name given to Abel's wife.
Of course, if we can find a Thirza that is earlier than 1763, then we will
have to look for another explanation!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Dienstag, 30. März 1999 03:16
Subject: Thirza as woman's name
> I do not have the reference in front of me now, but my recollection is
> Thirza became a popular woman's name in part because of a book called (I
> think) THE BOOK OF ABEL. Thirza was supposedly wife of either Cain or
> the sons of Adam and Eve, and this was a popular book in the 19th century.
suggest you get in contact with the Marlebone Cricket Club (MCC)
at Lord's cricket ground in London. (They are very big on history
Geri Cassidy wrote:
> Over the past week I have submitted a number of postings related to
> my g-grandfather Francis B. MALONEK/MALONCK. I know that he was
> born in 1872 at Torquay, Devon. He was listed on the 1881 census
> as living with his grandparents John and Marianne MALONEK/MALONCK and
> their son Mowbray at Bideford, Devon. I know that he went to a
> school at Westward Ho, and I have had a couple of replies that
> suggested the United Services College. My g-grandfather supposedly
> attended with Sir Home GORDON. Ultimately, my g-grandfather was
> the beneficiary of Sir Home GORDON'S estate. I still don't know
> how the two were connected. Apparently, Sir Home GORDON wrote a
> number of books on cricket in the early part of the century. His
> obituary was found in the New York Times for 1956. There it
> referred to him being president of the Lord's team and later
> secretary of the local team at Brighton, Sussex. He died without
> Are there any cricketers with really long memories who might know
> more about Sir Home GORDON?
I am new to the list and thought I would post my interests. I am looking
for any information about my great grandmother Melia Ann PARKIN born Apr 13
1866 in North Devon. Her father was a tailor who lived in Bratton Fleming
around 1830. I read in Terry Squire's "Bygone Bratton" that the family had a
house at No. 1 Park Terrace until 1930. I wonder if it is still there? I
think my great great grandfather's name was John PARKIN, but I am not sure.
John may have been a brother.
There was a story written by a great aunt that said my great grandfather
William George HEWLETT proposed to Melia on Button Bridge at Bratton
If anyone has any information I would be forever grateful.
On the cold Canadian Prairies.
Over the past week I have submitted a number of postings related to
my g-grandfather Francis B. MALONEK/MALONCK. I know that he was
born in 1872 at Torquay, Devon. He was listed on the 1881 census
as living with his grandparents John and Marianne MALONEK/MALONCK and
their son Mowbray at Bideford, Devon. I know that he went to a
school at Westward Ho, and I have had a couple of replies that
suggested the United Services College. My g-grandfather supposedly
attended with Sir Home GORDON. Ultimately, my g-grandfather was
the beneficiary of Sir Home GORDON'S estate. I still don't know
how the two were connected. Apparently, Sir Home GORDON wrote a
number of books on cricket in the early part of the century. His
obituary was found in the New York Times for 1956. There it
referred to him being president of the Lord's team and later
secretary of the local team at Brighton, Sussex. He died without
Are there any cricketers with really long memories who might know
more about Sir Home GORDON?
Seeking information on decendents of:
William James Squarey Portbury born 1822 West Teignmouth
Charles Edward Squarey Portbury born 1830 West Teignmouth
both were sons of James & Hannah (Coster Squarey) Portbury
I do not have the reference in front of me now, but my recollection is that
Thirza became a popular woman's name in part because of a book called (I
think) THE BOOK OF ABEL. Thirza was supposedly wife of either Cain or Abel,
the sons of Adam and Eve, and this was a popular book in the 19th century.
I am wanting to find a Charles J Morehouse b. 1813 who had his first
child in 1841 (in London). He was born in Stoke Dameral and married
a Mary Garland who was born in Cornwall.
I need a census pre 1841 to determine if he stayed in Dameral or not.
Does anyone have acces to such an item. The lookup exchange is lacking
In article <36FD0747.7C299820(a)igs.net>, Bob Mallett
>There has been some discussion recently about differences between Parish
>Registers and Bishop's Transcripts in terms of content for the same
>parish and the same time period.
I suggest that if opportunity allows, then both sets of record should be
Expierience has shown that entries are not always consistent between
the two records.....and poses the question, why should a baptism occur
in the BT's and not the PR's? and vicky-verky.
A thought... Who actually made up the list sent to the bishop? the
incumbent or his clerk?
A further thought....during the period that the services were being paid
for (except paupers), who got ye money, the incumbent or was it
shared between the parish and the bishop?.
Regards Mike H.
Michael Holman. e-mail michael(a)caliver.demon.co.uk
One Name Study V' I' L' V' E' N V' E' L' V' I' N.
Researching: All HOLMAN's of Devon; C' A' L' L' A' R' D; P' A' L' K;