You are right about the vendors not matching our origins the same. Family
Finder shows 98% European (British Isles 76% and Western and Central Europe
22%) and Middle Eastern says 2% Eastern Middle East. That must be the pale
colored haze on the map around Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon. On one chart (a -3
match on my mtDNA showed a match in Uzbekistan). I'm all over the place, but
not seeing Native American, so my great grandmother's heritage must have
skipped me. It is interesting to have known relatives in these studies. I
match two 3rd cousins who are sisters, but match on different chromosomes. I
match their 1st cousin, too, but not just the same way that I match either
of them. It's something about the segments that get tested, plus we are not
"equations" that get an exact amount of DNA from each ancestor. I have such
huge matches with my paternal aunt and maternal uncle that I thought it
would not be helpful, but it turns out that it is very helpful on
FamilyTreeDNA in determining if I have a maternal or paternal match with my
Here's ancestry's breakdown on me: My ethnicity is 46% Great Britain, 35%
Ireland, 12% W. Europe, 4% Scandinavia, 1% Iberian Peninsula, less than 1%
Finland/N.W. Russia and less than 1% Polynesia. It also has a bit of
Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, lots of Czech Republic, Austria, Switzerland,
Germany, France, Netherlands, etc, indicated on the map.
It is interesting and I have found some 3rd and more distant cousins thru
these websites. I helped one person who was adopted find out where she fit
into our Daniel family. More later.
From: Kevin Daniel
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 3:16 PM
To: Payne Daniel ; georgiac(a)cccomm.net ; jrclarke(a)sc.rr.com ; Daniel List
Subject: Re: The DNA Issue and Georgia's email
I did the autsomal testing at 23andme and Ancestry several years ago,
and just recently imported my 23andme results to Family Tree DNA. I am
not taking the ethnic origins too seriously as the three vendors'
analysis of my DNA look very different. Especially interesting as FTDNA
is using 23andme raw data! I am going to try importing my Ancestry data
into FTDNA and see what they make of that!
Europe West 62%
Asia West 1%
British and Irish 39.1%
French and German 26.2%
Broadly Northwest European 26.6%
Broadly Southern European 1.1%
Broadly European 3.7%
Native American 1% (ancestor born 1680-1770)
British Isles 35%
Southern Europe 23%
Eastern Europe 5%
There is a persistent tradition of Native American ancestry in my
family, but it doesn't show up at all except in 23andme's analysis. A
little study told me that the DNA of all of our ancestors is not
present in us in equal proportions, so markers for some of our ethnic
ancestry can be lost or become very diminished in a few generations.
I've also read that 23andme's analysis of ethnicity is somewhat
controversial, but not necessarily wrong. What Ancestry calls Asia
West, apparently 23andme calls Native American. The timing is about
right for my Native American ancestor, based on my research, though.
For now, I am just looking at the ethnicity analysis from all vendors
as "gee whiz" data. If the analysis of all three vendors even lines
ups, I'll put more weight around it.
I have found a few connections using autsomal DNA but it rapidly
becomes difficult to pin down the connection more than two or three
generations back unless my match has done some good research, which has
been the exception, not the rule.
I really liked the original medical history and trait analysis (AKA
genome testing) that 23andme did when I first "joined up" in 2007, but
the current data is VERY watered down compared to what it used to be.
They had some legal issues several years ago (2013ish?) and stopped
offering any analysis in that realm for several years to new
participants. I am assuming what I now see is the result of that
difficulty and is what everyone sees, now.
On Wed, 2017-03-08 at 14:05 -0500, Payne Daniel wrote:
The DNA issue and Georgia's email regarding her families DNA.
request should be directed to Kevin Daniel the GuRu of the DNA
Program. Thanks for your sharing Georgia.
Regarding the Cherokee connection, everyone believes he/she is Native
American, I. E. Cherokee. You would have to dig deep to say that
thee Cherokee's crossed the land bridge. Maybe, but that assumption
would defy God's plan to colonize the whole world, or maybe the did a
fer piece back, as part of his plan.
John's email does a good job explaining his families DNA etc. English
and Irish folks are not strangers to the spreading of DNA. Toss in a
bit of German, Dutch and Nordic Tribes
And yes Neanderthal variants, what ever, and you have a
My connections, thru my wife is, is to the native Americans is
explained in documentation and not DNA. I am English/Irish and my
wife is English/Cherokee and maybe be a bit of this and that. John
Lorren, SD's grandpa, English, married a Cherokee gal and there were
many families from that union. The English side of her maternal
Abney family will not confess to being some Cherokee despite the
Abney name appearing in the Cherokee Records in Oklahoma.
John Clarke does a good job explaining his families possible DNA
connections. The deal is the more Daniel etc., DNA we work with the
better. Thanks John
This is not an exact treaties just some rambling thoughts of an old
man. I forget more than I used to but the old wheels keep turning.
Get on board the DNA train. Payne
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