Interesting that you found the HAMS tied to all of this. Dicy HAM married
Giles Smith, who was a son of William SMITH and Rachel DAWSON, a sister of
Lucy DAWSON who married Capt. Isham LANE, father of Penelope LANE who
married Robert C. DANIEL. HAMS also move to Burke/Jefferson County, GA. I
also knew a Giles SMITH, who was of Valdosta, GA - later an All American a
Georgia Tech in the 60's.
How old do you think this William DANIEL was? Was he old enough to be
the father of Robert C. DANIEL, born about 1770.
John R. Clarke
410 Highland Ave.
Batesburg-Leesville, SC 29006-1311
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From: "P. A. Miller" <gen(a)pamiller.net>
To: "John R. Clarke" <Jrclarke(a)sc.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: Wayne/Greene NC Robert and William
I have known about that William Daniel for a long time but I have
link to him, nor have I seen any deeds tying him to the LANES, who we
know are tied to my Robert C. DANIEL of Burke County, GA, formerly of
Wayne County, NC.
I'm confused now (and this has nothing to do with my Msex William/Curtis
notions), but I thought your Robert first appeared involved with the
William of Wayne who was a bounding neighbor of the Lanes?
Colony of North Carolina 1764-1775 Abstracts of Land Patents. Margaret
v.2 #5937=Bk23-95 ISAM LANE 26 Oct 1767, 500a in Dobbs County between
great contentny and Nuce river at the head of the E prong of Bair creek,
joining Wm. Taylor, (a point) near marks old path, William HAM, and Wm.
State of NC Entries of Claims for Lands within the County of Dobbs
1778-1790. William L. Murphy Jr. 1984
Bk 1 #76 William Howell 6 Jan 1778, 400a Dobbs on both sides of Hoods
Swamp joining his own, Thos Burks, ISHAM LANEs and Burwill Moorings,
William HAM s and Micajah PACKERs line.
Wayne Dd Bk4-87 #819 Francis Beaman of Wayn [sic] to WILLIAM DANIEL of
same, 8 Oct 1787, £50, 200a adj Richard HAM, PACKER, and FLOWERs, part
of grt to Thos. Jarman 10 Feb 1784, conveyed by sd Jarman to Averett
Baggett, fr sd Baggett to Ezekiel Smith, and fr sd Smith to Francis
Beaman. wit John SPANN, Abraham Beamon
Wayne Dd Bk 5-26 #1085 John Seemore of Wayne to WILLIAM DANIEL of same,
9 Oct 1790, £70, 175a on N side of Neuse Rv near the head of Senaca adj
ISHAM LANE and Flowers, being part of a tract of land grtd by pat to
Micajah PACKER 28 Oct 1782. wit John Aldridge, James Smith, John SPAN.
Wayne Dd Bk5-233 #1240 ROBERT DANIEL, Thomas Nixon, WILLIAM DANIEL are
wits on deed fr Lamuel Parker of Wayne to John SPANN of Glasgow co, 8
Apr 1792. land on fork of Bear Ck on west side of Little Marsh, partly
in Wayne and Glasgow, bds William Williamson, Charles Hopton. pat to
Simon FLOWERs 14 Nov 1771. tract 2 was pat 15 Nov 1762 to John Williamson.
One possible interpretation is that this William got to Wayne (with
whomever), and that last deed 5-233 is your Robert coming active or of
age which is also around the time he marries (you show that as ca1791
and Robert doesn't seem to show up on the 1790 census of the area in his
own name). Since William and Robert look like contemporaries in the
1800 census of Wayne and Greene, I figured they might be brothers or
It's in the 1790 census of Wayne p.46-47 where I wonder can your Robert
be found embedded either with the William Donn--s or the Margaret
Dannels? I'm just pasting my take of that page here:
col. 1 [this is certainly the neighborhood where William Daniel bought
land in 1787 and in late 1790]
top of column 1:
-Burrel Mourning, William Mourning
-Isam Lane Senr 2-3-5, 0-5, neighbors Shadding, Taylor, Howell, Bell,
Parker, very close to James Grace, William Howell
middle to bottom of column 1:
-William Ham (2)
-small skip...Isham Lane Junr
-skip 3 names...William Donne-s 1-2-4, 0-0 [this would be indexed as
Donner, but I think there's room to see a poor "l"]
-one Smith name then
-Margaret Dannels [really almost Daniels] 0-2-2, 0-0, very near many Hams
The reason I hang on to that William Donne-s name so close to Isham Lane
Jr. in 1790 is because in 1800 William Daniel is again just a couple
names from Isham Lane Jr. But the William in these census doesn't look
that old, so I start thinking that it was an older William who arrives
in 1786 maybe with a younger William and Robert in tow and who knows who
else, and that maybe that Margaret Dannels in 1790 could be his widow.
I'm just looking at possible interpretations, but these folks sure are
all in the right neighborhood. And your Robert C.'s second son was
William.... And on and on....
The next question is: do you know who is the Thomas Daniel in 1800
Wayne? He's somewhat isolated from other Daniel families, but near
Hill, Bierly [Brierly?], Beman, Flowers, good neighbor names, has four
young kids, but I've never seen more records for him. Margaret Dannels
in 1790 had two under 16 males, I'm wondering if he's one of them. Bear
in mind, I haven't looked hard at the Wayne/Greene stuff in a while,
that Margaret and Thomas may be well identified and I just haven't heard
or can't remember!
I'm not up on stuff later in GA, so I can't give much third eye
interpretations about it! It seems like the Lane namesakes kind of took
over in the trip to . But I've never heard much about whether the James
name that's passed down by some of RCD and Penelope's children has been
identified as a significant namesake or where it came from? It was that
James name that at first made me want to tie your folks to the Wayne
family of James/Nathaniel et al, but I really don't think there's
anything to relate them even though they seem close in location back there.
Pam in CA
John R. Clarke wrote:
I have known about that William Daniel for a long time but I have no link
to him, nor have I seen any deeds tying him to the LANES, who we know are
tied to my Robert C. DANIEL of Burke County, GA, formerly of Wayne County,
Let's throw some other possibilities in the pot.
1. MY cousin, Smith Banks of Bulloch County, GA says family
information says the C. in Robert C. DANIEL stood for "Chaney," but my
best guess is that it stood for "Chesley." This is because his and
Penny's (LANE) youngest son was named Chesley C. DANIEL.
2. We do not know what the C. stood for in Chesley's name,
either, but since he later went by the name, Chris DANIEL, then we think
Christopher. Chesley moved to Muscogee County, GA from Burke and them to
Cadeville, Ouachita County, LA -his descendants later moved to Red River
County, TX, according to my cousin, James E. MITCHELL.
Chesley C. ( 2799-1870) and his wife, Sarah LNU had children
named, Frances ( married Lewis S. MITCHELL), Rufus, William, Alice,
Robert, Elizabeth, Bryant, and Elbert - born 1832-1849. My grandmother,
Alice Elizabeth Daniel ( 1854-1924) may have been named after this Alice
and Elizabeth DANIEL. Notice the lifespan - ~ a 70 years Alice's
father, Robert Williams DANIEL died at age 56 but her mother lived, Mary
Jane Reneau, to age 82, which averages out to about age 70. I tend to
think RWD died from wounds he got in the later stages of the CW but I have
no confirmation of this. Or, he could have died as a result of the
deprivation Sherman brought to his area of GA. Regardless, he died a few
months after the CW was over (23 Nov 1865).
Maybe you can make some sense of this.
John R. Clarke
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