I'm sorry about the problem with my email yesterday; it was down all day. And, now
that my mid-terms are over I can finish this reply to your earlier email.
First, let me say that it was so encouraging to hear from you and to finally begin to
identify some new leads. Perhaps there's hope of sorting out the Wm's and finding
a connection for our family after all!
I'm not a skilled or sophisticated researcher like so many on the list and it seems
like I'm probably asking a bunch of "duh" questions or asking for
information that everyone else knows but I hope you'll bear with me. What do I have on
our Wm. Henry? Darn little. Mostly bits and pieces from census records or following
associated and/or collateral families, and from the incredible generosity of others. I
summarize it at the end.
After reading your question about the will of William Daniels of Camden, I double checked
myself and find that I misspoke. I had gotten the "Wm Henry" from some
correspondance with the Alabama Archives but when I went back to my copy of the actual
will filed in Lowndes Co., AL, all of the references were to William H. Daniel (sometimes
Daniels). Thank you for the correction.
In reference to William H., you stated "He was probably born before 1810 if old
enough to be the only executor named in his father's 1828 will, recorded in both
Lowndes Co., AL, and Camden District." The copy of the will and probate I have from
the Lowndes Co. Archives (certified by Judge of the Court of Ordinary of Kershaw District
Hale F. McGee on 31st January 1834), shows that he was not the only executor. It says
"appoint my sons and law (?) Lovick YOUNG and John J. Cook and my son William H.
Daniel executors of this my last will..." and, John J. Cook made oath to execute it.
So at least based on this, there were three of them appointed. I still think you're
right about the age, as I explain below.
Separately, I'm curious - do you know what the relationship was between William and
the men who witnessed the will (Christopher MATHISON, John J. BLAIR, and Ben BENCHAM
Dates of birth: As you know, along with wife Elianor, the children, in order named in the
Mary D. Cook (b. abt 1791, wife of John J. Cook, co executor)
William H. Daniels
Milling (?) S. Daniel (daughter)
Jane P. Young (b. abt 1797, wife of Lovick Young, co-executor)
*John J. Daniel (b. abt 1810)
*Francis S/ or L? Daniel (son)*Elanor A. Daniel
*the last three being separately identified as the "three youngest", presumably
born after 1810 (using John J's age as an anchor), see below. Regardless of being
named (co) executor, it confirms that William H. was born before 1810, but does this imply
the kids were listed in birth order?
Is there another source that verifies their d.o.b.? From the 1850 census, there is a Jane
P. Young living next to the Blair's in Kershaw (Lovick is shown in 1840, also next to
the Blair's) and she is listed as 53, b. abt 1797; Mary Cook is listed as 59, b. abt.
1791. Lowndes Co., AL has a Francis Daniel (too old for this one, but perhaps an Uncle?).
and John J. is listed in Lowndes Co., as 40, b. abt 1810.
This age for John J. is consistent with the 1840 census where he is shown as between 20
and 30. An Ellen Daniel is listed on the same page - is this William's widow? She is
shown as 60-70, with 2 males 20-30, 1 female 20-30, and 1 each 5-10. But who are the two
males 20-30? One of them could be William H. but that is inconsistent with John J. being
one of the three youngest and his d.o.b of 1810, or 30. If Milling (?) is the female
20-30, (again inconsistent with John J.'s designation and d.o.b.), one of the males
could be her husband; Francis and Elanor could be the two 5-10 year olds.
You referred to the father as "William O'DANIEL III (1755-1828) of Kershaw,
Camden District, SC,". and from your most recent email, you said he was "part
of the White Oak Creek William O'DANIEL, 1720?-1799, family: William DANIEL,
1775-1828, and Eleanor MARLOR(?), 1773?-1842, of Kershaw Co., SC were the parents of
William H. of Kershaw."
Do you have more on the lineage? When did he drop the "O' "? Is the
Elizabeth O'Daniel in the 1790 census for Camden part of the family then? How does
Alex O'Daniel b. abt 1802 SC listed in Lowndes 1850 fit in? or, in 1860 Dallas Co.,
Eliz. Daniel, Dallas Co. b. abt 1799 SC?
Did the White Oak property stay in the family after William of Kershaw (1775-1828) death?
It's interesting to find several Manning families here given the Manning who witnessed
our Wm Henry's marriage.
I'm not sure where the POOLE info might fit with my Wm. Henry but it's good
to have it. "Amelia Eleanor was Wm. H.'s sister. She married 24 Sep 1831 in
Camden, SC Edmund Augustus POOLE of New York City, per the published announcement. He was
listed as "E. A. POOLE" in it." and "William H. POOLE, abt 1835-abt
1864, was s/o Eleanor Amelia DANIEL (d/o William DANIEL and Eleanor MARLOR(?) of Kershaw,
SC) and Edmund Augustus POOLE. He may have been named for Eleanor's brother, William
H. DANIEL. Wm H. POOLE married Martha Evelyn CLOUD in Lowndes Co., AL." Prior to
this, I don't recall running across the Poole name but, in 1850 there's a William
POOL b. abt 1834, AL, in the household of James and Ellen A MEADOWS, both age 32,
she's listed as born in SC.; and in 1860 there's a W. H. POOLE, b. abt 1833, AL md
to M. E. Poole, b. abt 1838 in SC and children 1 and 2 yrs old. I don't recognize any
of the other families in the immediate vicinity as
being names I've run across before.
I'm just learning about land records but have found lots of Daniels listed on the BLM
site for Lowndes, Dallas, and esp. Crenshaw Cos. Crenshaw is relevant because of its
parent counties 1) Montgomery was created 6 Dec 1816 from Monroe; 2) Dallas was created 9
Feb 1818 from Monroe, Montgomery and parts of the Creek cession; 3) Butler was created 13
Dec 1819 from Monroe and Conecuh; 4) Lowndes was created 20 Jan 1830 from Butler, Dallas,
and Montgomery; 5) Crenshaw was created 24 Nov 1866 from Butler, Coffee, Covington,
LOWNDES, and Pike. BLM shows dates in Crenshaw prior to formation so the records must
reflect today's county. I guess after 1866 we need to be considering Crenshaw records,
too. Has someone already mapped out these Daniels? If not, as I have time and learn how, I
guess I'll need to and see if it gives any new leads. Does anyone recognize one of
theirs? Here are the earlier ones:
Darius Daniel (b. AL per census) is first shown 6/12/1834, Lowndes
Elias and Abel Daniel first show on 4/15/1835 and Darius makes his next one (Lowndes,
Crenshaw and Dallas respectively).
Ephraim Daniel shows up in Crenshaw 8/10/1847
Francis Daniel first aquires 5/10/1826 in Montgomery and then again 5/9/1837 and 5/20/1837
in Crenshaw along with
James Daniel 5/20/1837 in Lowndes and Perry; and 8/1/1837 in Crenshaw
Josiah Daniel 5/20/1841 in Lowndes
Nathaniel R. Daniel 10/21/1834 in Lowndes
William Daniel 5/20 and 8/1/1837 in Crenshaw (same as Francis and James, above)
and there are records for Leonard, Theophilas, Thomas and Thomas F. in Crenshaw.
"DAY" is a family that shows up a lot around ours - do you know of any
connection to your Daniels? What about the "WARREN" families? Both my Daniel
line and the Whatley line of Ann's brother Edmund have this name in several
With respect to our Wm. Henry, to recap the very little we know:
md. Ann E. WHATLEY 7th/8th October 1857 (dau. of Elizabeth Unk and probably Wilson M.
bond co-signed by Thomas C. CRIMM (?) [found in Lowndes Co. 1860 census born abt 1811,
consent co-signed by Martha E. (Ellen) YOUNGBLOOD ["M.E." in the census, b. abt
1802 in SC, dau. of Griffin Youngblood]
witnessed by T. MANNING, J. SAILORS (?), Ellen Youngblood, and Mary Whatley (Ann's
We can trace the Whatley family back to 1830 but can't assign the line prior to that.
The family appears associated with and is surrounded by several families with roots in
Kershaw and Edgefield Cos., SC
All other info on Wm. Henry is inferred:
Prior to his marriage, Wm. Henry was:
- b. in NC or "Carolina" 17 Sep 1825 from family notes
- b. in NC per dau. census records (dau. living with widowed mom)
- b. in AL or SC per son's census records
- md. Ann Whatley per family notes
-"Henry" Daniel md. Ann Blanchard per family notes
- LDS records assign to Josiah
After the marriage info on Wm. Henry:
- d. 10 Dec 1868 in AL per family notes
- 2 known children, James Warren (md. Stella COLLINS) and Mary (md. Unk STRINGER) from
- James b. 1859 AL per all census records prior to his death; after death children's
records listed him b. in AL, MS, and TN
- Mary b. 1862 TX per census records
- Widow's census records reflect 5 or 6 live births, 4 living in 1900 - no family
records, unable to identify; don't know if Daniel or Blanchard offspring
Between 1857 marriage and 1880, the family has disappeared, other than what is inferred
above - WHERE ARE THEY???
- No family stories about fighting in the Civil War- in 1880, Trinity Co., TX, widow Ann
is remarried to Joseph BLANCHARD b. abt 1849 FL, abt. 12 years her junior (found likely
suspect in 1870, b. GA)
- 1880 dau. Mary living at home with Ann
- 1880, Milam Co., TX son James Warren farm hand in household of P.M. KOLB (b. abt 1828
GA; father b. SC)
- James md. Stella A. COLLINS 25 Dec 1884 (dau. Wm Brame Collins, b. 9 Nov 1866 Milam,
- Mary md. Unk. STRINGER abt. 1888 in TX (1st child born Oct 1889)
Between 1880 and 1900, few records
After 1900, can follow the descendents of both James Warren and Mary Daniel Stringer
Thanks again for your help, sharing your research, and for keeping this dialogue going.
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Subject: Re: [DANIEL] Josiah Daniel, where are his parents? William H. DANIEL
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I would very much like to see the information you have on William H. of Kershaw Co.,
Camden Dist., SC.
From what I have, William H. DANIEL, son of William O'DANIEL III
(1755-1828) of Kershaw, Camden District, SC, is one of mine, but I have not found much.
He was probably born before 1810 if old enough to be the only executor named in his
father's 1828 will, recorded in both Lowndes Co., AL, and Camden District.
After the death of his father in 1828, many of William's siblings and his mother moved
to Lowndes County, Alabama, probably the reason that his father's will was also
recorded in Lowndes County as well as Camden District, South Carolina. William's
mother, Eleanor, and his siblings, John J., Francis Levi(?)/S.(?)., and Eleanor Amelia
POOLE were in Lowndes County, AL, arriving in the early 1830s and died there, Eleanor
"Ellen" in 1842. Whether William H. was in Lowndes is not known to me.
In Talbot County, Georgia. on 4 Nov 1833, a William DANIEL witnessed a deed for William
PARKS, giving land for a church. (Talbot County, GA Deed Book J, p. 110) William H.'s
brother, John J., was receiving mail at the Talbotton Post Office before 1834 and married
Hulda HILL in Talbot County on 6 March 1834. John moved to Lowndes County, Alabama before
You wrote:"There is also a consent note signed by Ann's mother Elizabeth and
Martha E. Youngblood. Along with Wm. Henry, the bond appears to be signed by Thomas C.
Crimm (?). In the 1860 Lowndes Co AL census dwelling 361 there is a Thomas C. Crim born
abt 1811, SC." Here is a surname association from 1797 Kershaw: Jurors named for
Kershaw County in Nov. 1797 were : John MCDONALD, Patrick BROWN, William DANIEL, Daniel
FAUST, and Peter CRIM. This William is thought to be the father of William H.
You also mentioned the strong family ties to Edgefield and the DANIEL line there. The
William DANIEL III and Eleanor MARLOR(?) line out of Kershaw was cousin to the William
DANIEL and Lucretia BELL line of Edgefield. William III's brother, Josiah L. married
his first cousin, once removed, Mary DANIEL, d/o William and Lucretia. Mary's sister
Martha (Capt. Bryant) MARSH moved to Wilcox County, AL in 1820s. Mary Daniel HATCHER (by
then widow of Jeremiah HATCHER and Josiah DANIEL) and her son William Francis DANIEL were
in Butler, Wilcox, and Dallas Cos., AL, (all bordering Lowndes) between 1838 and 1850
before moving on to Freestone County, TX in 1850. A number of cousins were also Autauga,
bordering Lowndes to the north. Just something to consider.
BTW: Where did you find William H. of Camden listed as "William Henry"? In two
separate transcripts of his father's Will, containing minor variations, and an
abstract from the SC Archives, he is named only as William H.
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