Getting DNA out of the way first, there are DNA tests for some of the
Granville Daniel lines, none matching your test:
1. One of the eastern Granville Daniel lines is from the Roger Daniel
line: John and Ann, he d. 1762. Their son James md. Sarah (LNU, no way
to suggest or support it as Cooke); James d. 1786, his lands were cut
into Warren. Another branch of Roger also had ties to Granville in the
south (the Woodson branch), there are tests from both branches.
2. The eastern line of Edmund and Alice Daniel, also cut into Warren and
points east - parents of the Eustace, Charles, Thomas who were
"assigned" by Heinemann to the Caroline Daniel family. A round of good
records collaboration a while back on the mail list proved them to
Edmund and Alice from New Kent VA. There's one DNA test that I know of
for this line, has some interesting potential matches to some others.
3. One of the western Granville Daniel lines is from Middlesex -
Chesley, Josiah, James, sons of James Daniel and Jane Hicks. There's
DNA for them.
4. To the best of my knowledge there's no DNA for the distinct western
line of Thomas ("of Granville" when he bought land in 1787 from Caswell
people, land crosses the border of Granville and
then-Caswell-now-Person, d. 1831) and Mary (d. 1838), ties continue to
Person County. Children of one of his sons got to Tipton TN, but it's
so much later than your John Daniel. This Thomas is a sudden appearance
in the Granville records, no background there.
5. No DNA from this family that I know of: William Daniel of Halifax,
will written 6 Feb 1796, proved Feb 1800, he wills land in Granville to
his sons William and Drury. This was 234a that he had bought from John
Brown of Craven on 28 Oct 1768. This land only shows up in the
Granville tax records with the Daniel name in 1797-1798. In 1797 it's
listed in the name of "William Daniel (Halif)" and in 1798 as "William
Daniel"; there are zero polls or slaves listed both years. Someone else
must have been the named taxable for it 1768-1796, but that's a bit
weird. There's a tiny chance that this suddenly grew to 2130 acres by
1801 in the name of William Daniel and that a William Daniel Junior
owned about half of it (1100 acres) in 1819; I really don't know if it's
the same land, that "chance" is pure speculation and by elimination.
There's nothing in other records to suggest that descendants of this
Daniel family ever lived or stayed in Granville.
I may be leaving out a Granville Daniel line, but I just can't think of
it at the moment, somebody will pitch in. There are a couple different
line Daniels who show up in the much later tax lists, but no way to
suggest a relation to your early John.
I haven't done Duke records in Granville, but I've stripped the land
grants of NC and the deed books of Granville for Daniel and there is no
record for them that mentions a Duke.
The same with the Granville probate records, no Duke is mentioned in a
Daniel estate. But see later for one tiny Duke-Daniel strand.
My stripping of Daniel from Isle of Wight is almost exclusively from the
abstracts done for the county, no Duke mentioned in a Daniel record.
Do you have a time frame when the Dukes were in Granville? They aren't
in the Oaths of Allegiance of 1778, nor in the 1790 census. And more
importantly, do you know where in the county they were located, that
would possibly help narrow in on which Daniel family might be connected.
From the briefest of searches it seems to me that Benjamin Duke in
Granville was in the east, and possibly cut into Warren, but again, just
a brief google.
The only Duke link in a Granville record I have is:
-Richard Bennet's will, written 5 March 1785 and proved Feb 1786.
-Among the children, it names his daughter Anna DUKE.
-Chesley Daniel was a witness to this will. This is Middlesex Chesley.
-Richard's son Peter Bennett was the first guardian to Martin Daniel,
son of John Daniel (d. 1779) and Celia (probably Smith). All of this
John Daniel's records and the later records for his orphan Martin are
filled to the brim with intimate connections to Chesley Daniel and the
other Middlesex Daniels; enough that I've long had a theory that John
and his brother William could be early sons of Chesley by a first
marriage (thus allowing for two sons named John). But it could just be
an interesting tie between them at the time, and Martin has his early
adult connections to the William and Thomas Daniel of Mecklenburg when
he moves there, they are of a different Daniel line. We don't have DNA
publicly identified as from this Martin son of John to help.
-I think this minuscule Duke-Daniel link could be rated at about 1000
degrees of separation, eh?
Last question, just for my tracking, your test at danieldna.50g.com
shows an 11 for marker 565, but your ysearch listing has it as a 12?
Pam in CA
Marleen Van Horne wrote:
I tested my autosomal DNA at both 23andMe and Family Tree DNA. At
companies, I had a match with a lady who is a descendant of Benjamin
Duke of Isle of Wight County, Virginia, and possibly Grenville County,
Several of us who descend from John Daniel of Grainger, have speculated
that the wife of his, apparently, only son, James Daniel, was Henrietta
Maria Duke. The Dukes and the Daniels lived near one another in
Grainger County, and Lincoln County in Tennessee and in Bowie County,
Texas. The later generations, also intermarried.
So, the question is what can those of you on the list who know more
about the Grenville County, North Carolina Daniels tell me, that might
help me connect my John Daniel to that family, or to one of those families.
Marleen Van Horne
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