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In a message dated 1/26/2009 1:47:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
msaban(a)wyoming.com writes:
As for DNA, I always thought until recently that there are profiles for the
N. Med., East Med., West Med (Spain) and N. Africa. Do you know where one
could read up on the current area profiles?
Mary,
My ISP is not letting me navigate the Internet fully enough so that I can
find resources for you. Google "haplogroups" or go to "FTDNA" or "NGS" for
basic stuff on what researchers are finding through genetic analysis of human
DNA. They are able to trace migrations of ethnic groups out of Africa. NGS is a
good place to start. National Geograpic, that is. I think you will be able to
find your way around the site. I think you will find it interesting. FTDNA
is a company in Texas or Arizona that analyzes saliva for the genetic
sequences that indicate family connections as well as haplogrups.
I live in the north woods and my service provider doesn't seem to be
upgrading the servers to meet increasing demand, even here. So, sometimes I have
limited access to the Internet. I'll get back to you if you want further
assistance.
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In a message dated 1/26/2009 11:11:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
msaban(a)wyoming.com writes:
Just some food for thought.
Mary,
What you say about the location of the Celts is true. However, when we take
Y-DNA profiles and compare them we find there is a distinct Celtic profile, a
distinct Mediterranean profile, a distinct Anglo-Saxon profile. All show up
in males who emigrated from Britain to America in the Seventeenth Century.
Some of us who are having our genetic code deciphered for family identity
reasons are able to see which group our distant ancestors belonged to. Most
European males tend to be Celtic. However, we can see from e-mail addresses that
there are many Anglo-Saxons in Scandinavia, Denmark, Germany, Great Britain,
The Netherlands, Poland, France and Spain. Of course they are now in all of
North and South America, too. National Geographic has a genome project under
way. You can check it out online.
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In reference to that particular line being of Mediterranean descent, and
probably arrived in Britain with the arrival of the Roman invasion, I think
we should all remember that the Celts who escaped from Gaul and the Roman
invasion there are considered to be of Mediterranean descent. The Celts
went both east and west from Gaul -- some east into what is now Greece
Turkey (and ultimately from there went up into Mongolia where we later find
the legendary women warriors). Most went west and northwest - the west
along the Mediterranean to S. France, Northern Basque Country and Portugal
(there were a large number who settled in Portugal). Others traveled
northwest across Europe. A good number of the Celts ended up in Britain in
Wales, Cornwall and Devonshire as well as Northern Scotland and Northern
Ireland. Most people do not identify all this with being of Mediterranean
descent. (There were a few Celts in very Northern Italy before the final
clash of the two empires.)
Just some food for thought.
Mary
a female descendant of James Cole Sr. who it is believed came from
Devonshire.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cole" <timcole(a)colescorner.com>
To: <cole(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [COLE] James Cole Sr.
> I believe there are at least two others from the James Cole line. One of
> them was tested to have a common ancestor with me about five generations
> ago. I contacted him; we compared family history and we found the
> relationship to be true.
> It took ten years before this James Cole descendant turned in a DNA test.
I
> am currently working on another ancestor but need willing males from that
> line. (It is an interesting case, because the ancestor in question had
been
> wrongly identified with the wrong family and popularly published. His
> colorful life and society marriage in 18th century Connecticut make it an
> interesting endeavor.)
> Even though it took ten years to bear fruit, I was always confident that
> others would eventually come forward. I could have asked other males in
my
> line, but didn't, hoping for other "deeper" lines to come forward. It's
> been slow, but has provided satisfying feedback.
> Tim
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <EdwardHCole(a)aol.com>
> To: <cole(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [COLE] James Cole Sr.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/25/2009 10:30:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > rfcole(a)facstaff.wisc.edu writes:
> >
> > Are there others of this line who have the dna tests. I have had the
> > tests
> > and haven't learned much yet. Robert Cole
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > If you are inquiring about someone from the descendants from the line
of
> > James Cole of Plymouth circa 1630, the only one of whom I am sure is
Tim
> > Cole.
> > He shows up in the E3b haplogroup, which has a predominantly
> > Mediterranean
> > origin. So, Tim's ancestors probably arrived in Britain with the Roman
> > invasion
> > and occupation from around, what was it, 30 until 400 A. D.? The
e-mail
> > address I have for Tim is: _timcole(a)colescorner.com_
> > (mailto:timcole@colescorner.com)
> >
> > Or, if you look in FamilyTreeDNA (FTDNA) under the Cole Project you
will
> > find several, five or six, E3b entries. Let me know if you need help
> > navigating.
> >
> > Ed Cole
> >
> >
> >
> >
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In a message dated 1/25/2009 10:30:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rfcole(a)facstaff.wisc.edu writes:
Are there others of this line who have the dna tests. I have had the tests
and haven't learned much yet. Robert Cole
Robert,
If you are inquiring about someone from the descendants from the line of
James Cole of Plymouth circa 1630, the only one of whom I am sure is Tim Cole.
He shows up in the E3b haplogroup, which has a predominantly Mediterranean
origin. So, Tim's ancestors probably arrived in Britain with the Roman invasion
and occupation from around, what was it, 30 until 400 A. D.? The e-mail
address I have for Tim is: _timcole(a)colescorner.com_
(mailto:timcole@colescorner.com)
Or, if you look in FamilyTreeDNA (FTDNA) under the Cole Project you will
find several, five or six, E3b entries. Let me know if you need help navigating.
Ed Cole
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Julia
Thanks for all your input. I am so sorry my introduction was so long, I made this up for one of my cousin, as she did not know about the two Underwood boys who both married girls by the name of Cole. Therefore I just cut and pasted this message to the Roots web forum.
I am trying to trace Philip Howard Cole's parents and then on backups as far as I can..
Philip Howard Cole married Mary Ellen Freeland and Nellie Cole was their daughter,.
Sanford Stoddard Cole married Clarissa (Clara) Susannah Eldridge and they had a daughter named Hattie. Hattie married Charles R. Underwood back in New York. Ervin J.Underwood married Nellie May back in Kansas. I know from family history that these two families knew each other and at one time lived nearby each other in Jasper County, Indiana. I think they are related, but have not been able to prove it. Nellie and Hattie were not sisters, I know this as a fact since they are from different families. I have traced Sanford Cole's side all the way back to 1632 when a James Cole came to America.. I have been able to find Philip Howard Cole's parents a James John Cole b. abt. 1786 in New York and his wife Nancy (Unknown) born in 1788 in Maryland or Pennsylvania. James J, Cole and Nancy married abt. 1805 and had the following children:
Samuel b. 30 Mar 1808
Isaac b. 17 May 1810
Sally b. 29 Mar 1812
Mary b. 01 Jul 1814
Romontu or Romona b. 25 Nov 1815
Susannah b. 14 Jul 1917
Abigail b. 25 Jul 1819 d. 12 Aug 1886 Married a Peter Kanawyer 10 Apr 1842 in Marion County, Indiana
Lydia b. 27 Oct 1821
Nancy b. 21 Sep 1824
James Jerome (Jarmoe) b. 21 Sep 1826 (twin) d. 02 Aug 1898 married a Nancy J Kenoyer or Kanawyer 03 Jun 1847 in Cass County, Indiana
John (Sr.) Drinbin b. 21 Sep 1826 (twin) married Nancy J. Durcilla Patton Abt. 1846
Philip Howard b. 12 Sep 1829 in Delaware County, Ohio d. 21 Jan 1906 Otego, Jewell County, Kansas married Mary Ellen Freeland 12 Sep 1851 in Jasper County, Indiana
(Edia or Ella) Jonah b. 04 Dec 1833
Perhaps this information will help in the research of these families.
Warren
--- On Sun, 1/25/09, FamRSearch(a)aol.com <FamRSearch(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: FamRSearch(a)aol.com <FamRSearch(a)aol.com>
Subject: Re: [COLE] Help me do research on the James John Cole family
To: COLE(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:59 AM
So as I read through all the extraneous information
Ervin Jay Underwood (Born 10 Apr 1867) married Nellie May Cole and his
brother Charles R. ( born 8 Jul 1872) married a Hattie Cole, a known daughter
of
Sanford Cole. You want to know was Nellie May and Hattie sisters.
So What do we know of Nellie?
Nellie M. Underwood was born May 1872 in Indiana (1900 census) and married
Ervin about 1893 possibly in Kansas (19001910 census). Her father was born in
Ohio and her mother was born in Maryland. (1900/1910 Census). Note 1900
Census has Eber P. Cole (Apr 1874 Neb ) also living in Jewell County KS. Note
living 4 families up from Ervin and Nellie in 1910 is the family of Phillip
E. Cole born about 1874 in Nebraska and has the same parental birthplaces as
Nellie M.
In looking at 1880 Census there is a family of Phillip Cole (born abt 1830
Ohio) and his wife Mary (born about 1835 Maryland) and children Boyd P. (b,
about 1854 Ind), Abert A. (b. abt 1857 Iowa), George E. (b. abt 1863 Ind), John
A. (b. abt 1868 Ind ) Mary G. (b. abt 1870 Ind) Nellie (b. abt 1872 Ind) and
Phillip A. (b abt 1874 Neb). This appears to be the family of your Nellie.
Julia
In a message dated 1/24/2009 11:07:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
warrenunderwood(a)sbcglobal.net writes:
INTRODUCTION
After Norman¢s 1st wife died in 1856, he remarried a 2nd time before Dec.
1858 to a girl named Philura (Unknown) they had 1 (one child named Jasper
Underwood (Male) who was born in the spring of 1858 and it appears Philura
died
during childbirth.
Then on 28 Dec.1858 Norman remarried for a 3rd (third) time to a Mary
Rosalia (Edwards) Raleigh (a recent widow from a Mr. Raleigh). They were
married in
Fairview Township, Jones County, Iowa and had the following children: Luther
Underwood (Male) b. 6 Jun 1859, Ervin Jay Underwood (Male) b. 10 Apr. 1867,
Vander Underwood (Male) b. 3 Aug. 1869, Charles R. Underwood (Male) b. 8 Jul.
1872, Addie Underwood (Female) b.14 Sep 1874, and Marion Underwood (Male) b.
15 May 1877. Norman was the father to 15 Children by 3 (three) marriages.
Norman died March 1, 1879 and about a year later their son Marion Underwood
died, he was only 3 years old. My grandfather Ervin Jay Underwood was about
12 years old at the time of his father¢s death. And began making his own way
of making a living. His older brother 20 years old at the time of his fathers
death was already farming in Iowa, later in 1880 he married. Vander Underwood
10 years old at his father¢s death was given to relatives to be raised. Mary
(Edwards) Raleigh, Underwood kept Charles , Addie and Marion to raise
however a short time later Marion died. In 1884 Luther and his family went to
Kansas (Jewell County) in late November of 1885 he purchased a farm near
Otego,
Kansas. His younger brother Ervin Jay Underwood now about 18 years old also
came to Kansas, shortly thereafter (about two weeks) his Mother Mary, his
younger brother Charles, and his little sister Addie also came to Kansas this
was
late 1885
In October of 1886 Luther died of Typhoid fever, shortly after Luther died
Mary (Ervin¢s mother) his brother Charles, and sister Addie either moved back
to Iowa or then went to New York.
Ervin stayed in Kansas and worked on a ranch near Lebanon, Kansas part of
this time, then by 1899 he was able to purchase his brother Luther¢s place in
May of 1899.
Certainly by 1890 his mother Mary, his brother Charles, and his sister Addie
had settled in Cuba, New York. At short time later Mary remarried to a Mr.
William McDonald, Mary died in 1894. Meantime Charles met a young lady by the
name of Hattie Cole daughter of Sanford Cole.
They were married in April of 1902. He died on Mar 20, 1948.
Since my grandfather Ervin Jay married a Cole (Nellie May) and his brother
married a Cole (Hattie) I have been trying to prove that these Cole¢s are
related. NO SUCH LUCK YET.
In the process of my research I have been very successful in tracing Sanford
Cole¢s family back to 1632 when his ancestor James Cole came to American.
If anyone can help in my reaseach--I would appreciate it.
Warren
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So as I read through all the extraneous information
Ervin Jay Underwood (Born 10 Apr 1867) married Nellie May Cole and his
brother Charles R. ( born 8 Jul 1872) married a Hattie Cole, a known daughter of
Sanford Cole. You want to know was Nellie May and Hattie sisters.
So What do we know of Nellie?
Nellie M. Underwood was born May 1872 in Indiana (1900 census) and married
Ervin about 1893 possibly in Kansas (19001910 census). Her father was born in
Ohio and her mother was born in Maryland. (1900/1910 Census). Note 1900
Census has Eber P. Cole (Apr 1874 Neb ) also living in Jewell County KS. Note
living 4 families up from Ervin and Nellie in 1910 is the family of Phillip
E. Cole born about 1874 in Nebraska and has the same parental birthplaces as
Nellie M.
In looking at 1880 Census there is a family of Phillip Cole (born abt 1830
Ohio) and his wife Mary (born about 1835 Maryland) and children Boyd P. (b,
about 1854 Ind), Abert A. (b. abt 1857 Iowa), George E. (b. abt 1863 Ind), John
A. (b. abt 1868 Ind ) Mary G. (b. abt 1870 Ind) Nellie (b. abt 1872 Ind) and
Phillip A. (b abt 1874 Neb). This appears to be the family of your Nellie.
Julia
In a message dated 1/24/2009 11:07:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
warrenunderwood(a)sbcglobal.net writes:
INTRODUCTION
After Norman¢s 1st wife died in 1856, he remarried a 2nd time before Dec.
1858 to a girl named Philura (Unknown) they had 1 (one child named Jasper
Underwood (Male) who was born in the spring of 1858 and it appears Philura died
during childbirth.
Then on 28 Dec.1858 Norman remarried for a 3rd (third) time to a Mary
Rosalia (Edwards) Raleigh (a recent widow from a Mr. Raleigh). They were married in
Fairview Township, Jones County, Iowa and had the following children: Luther
Underwood (Male) b. 6 Jun 1859, Ervin Jay Underwood (Male) b. 10 Apr. 1867,
Vander Underwood (Male) b. 3 Aug. 1869, Charles R. Underwood (Male) b. 8 Jul.
1872, Addie Underwood (Female) b.14 Sep 1874, and Marion Underwood (Male) b.
15 May 1877. Norman was the father to 15 Children by 3 (three) marriages.
Norman died March 1, 1879 and about a year later their son Marion Underwood
died, he was only 3 years old. My grandfather Ervin Jay Underwood was about
12 years old at the time of his father¢s death. And began making his own way
of making a living. His older brother 20 years old at the time of his fathers
death was already farming in Iowa, later in 1880 he married. Vander Underwood
10 years old at his father¢s death was given to relatives to be raised. Mary
(Edwards) Raleigh, Underwood kept Charles , Addie and Marion to raise
however a short time later Marion died. In 1884 Luther and his family went to
Kansas (Jewell County) in late November of 1885 he purchased a farm near Otego,
Kansas. His younger brother Ervin Jay Underwood now about 18 years old also
came to Kansas, shortly thereafter (about two weeks) his Mother Mary, his
younger brother Charles, and his little sister Addie also came to Kansas this was
late 1885
In October of 1886 Luther died of Typhoid fever, shortly after Luther died
Mary (Ervin¢s mother) his brother Charles, and sister Addie either moved back
to Iowa or then went to New York.
Ervin stayed in Kansas and worked on a ranch near Lebanon, Kansas part of
this time, then by 1899 he was able to purchase his brother Luther¢s place in
May of 1899.
Certainly by 1890 his mother Mary, his brother Charles, and his sister Addie
had settled in Cuba, New York. At short time later Mary remarried to a Mr.
William McDonald, Mary died in 1894. Meantime Charles met a young lady by the
name of Hattie Cole daughter of Sanford Cole.
They were married in April of 1902. He died on Mar 20, 1948.
Since my grandfather Ervin Jay married a Cole (Nellie May) and his brother
married a Cole (Hattie) I have been trying to prove that these Cole¢s are
related. NO SUCH LUCK YET.
In the process of my research I have been very successful in tracing Sanford
Cole¢s family back to 1632 when his ancestor James Cole came to American.
If anyone can help in my reaseach--I would appreciate it.
Warren
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INTRODUCTION
My great-grandfather’s name was Norman Underwood he was born 12 Jan 1815 in Cortland County, New York. He married his 1st wife about 1840, her name was Melissa Rosina Boone
born on 8 Jan 1820 in Cortland County, New York. (Some family members believe she was related to Davy Crochet Boone the famous frontiersman) She and Norman were blessed with 8 (eight) children before she died on 16 Feb 1856. A list of their children is as follows: Julis Underwood (Male) b. abt. 1841, Patience Berdina Underwood (Female) b. 15 Aug 1844, Norman A. Jr. Underwood (Male) b. 11 Sep 1843, Melissa Underwood (Female) b About.1845/46, James Lewis Underwood (Male) b. 7 Mar 1845, Hattie Maria Underwood (Female) b. 31 Jan 1850, Rosanna Underwood (Female) b. 22 Dec 1852, and Olive Milessa Underwood (Female) b. 1854.
After Norman’s 1st wife died in 1856, he remarried a 2nd time before Dec. 1858 to a girl named Philura (Unknown) they had 1 (one child named Jasper Underwood (Male) who was born in the spring of 1858 and it appears Philura died during childbirth.
Then on 28 Dec.1858 Norman remarried for a 3rd (third) time to a Mary Rosalia (Edwards) Raleigh (a recent widow from a Mr. Raleigh). They were married in Fairview Township, Jones County, Iowa and had the following children: Luther Underwood (Male) b. 6 Jun 1859, Ervin Jay Underwood (Male) b. 10 Apr. 1867, Vander Underwood (Male) b. 3 Aug. 1869, Charles R. Underwood (Male) b. 8 Jul. 1872, Addie Underwood (Female) b.14 Sep 1874, and Marion Underwood (Male) b. 15 May 1877. Norman was the father to 15 Children by 3 (three) marriages.
Norman died March 1, 1879 and about a year later their son Marion Underwood died, he was only 3 years old. My grandfather Ervin Jay Underwood was about 12 years old at the time of his father’s death. And began making his own way of making a living. His older brother 20 years old at the time of his fathers death was already farming in Iowa, later in 1880 he married. Vander Underwood 10 years old at his father’s death was given to relatives to be raised. Mary (Edwards) Raleigh, Underwood kept Charles , Addie and Marion to raise however a short time later Marion died. In 1884 Luther and his family went to Kansas (Jewell County) in late November of 1885 he purchased a farm near Otego, Kansas. His younger brother Ervin Jay Underwood now about 18 years old also came to Kansas, shortly thereafter (about two weeks) his Mother Mary, his younger brother Charles, and his little sister Addie also came to Kansas this was late 1885
In October of 1886 Luther died of Typhoid fever, shortly after Luther died Mary (Ervin’s mother) his brother Charles, and sister Addie either moved back to Iowa or then went to New York.
Ervin stayed in Kansas and worked on a ranch near Lebanon, Kansas part of this time, then by 1899 he was able to purchase his brother Luther’s place in May of 1899.
Certainly by 1890 his mother Mary, his brother Charles, and his sister Addie had settled in Cuba, New York. At short time later Mary remarried to a Mr. William McDonald, Mary died in 1894. Meantime Charles met a young lady by the name of Hattie Cole daughter of Sanford Cole.
They were married in April of 1902. He died on Mar 20, 1948.
Since my grandfather Ervin Jay married a Cole (Nellie May) and his brother married a Cole (Hattie) I have been trying to prove that these Cole’s are related. NO SUCH LUCK YET.
In the process of my research I have been very successful in tracing Sanford Cole’s family back to 1632 when his ancestor James Cole came to American.
If anyone can help in my reaseach--I would appreciate it.
Warren
Bob,
Did some checking in Duthcess Co.. since George Cole married in that county.
I was able to find a George Cole same age in 1860.. the one in 1850 is a few
years off, but that's not uncommon in those early census.
Hope this helps,
Rick Cole
1850 Pleasant Vally, Dutchess Co. NY
pg 11
Henry Cole 28 b.NY
Jane 28 b. NY
Elizabeth 8 b. NY
Frances 6 b. NY
Jane A. 4 b. NY
Geo 2 b. NY
1860 Fishkill, Dutchess Co. NY
William H. Vanvoorhis 51 b. NY
Jane 17 b. NY
Amelia Hilakei 19 b. NY
Aaron Knapp 24 b. NY farm hand
George Cole 14 b. NY farm hand
In a message dated 1/23/2009 1:47:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,
EdwardHCole(a)aol.com writes:
In a message dated 1/23/2009 10:28:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lakeman2891(a)verizon.net writes:
I'm looking for parents of George Henry Cole b 10/21/1846 in New York,
he married Martha Ann Woodin on July 26, 1866 in Beekman, Duchess Co.,
NY. They moved to CT in 1880's. I believe George's parents were born in
NY
Any help appreciated.
Bob Small
Bob,
Get in touch with Bill Cole of Naples Florida. He says he has lots of
information because he has a common ancestor. Bill's address is:
_wcole67(a)embarqmail.com_ (mailto:wcole67@embarqmail.com)
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In a message dated 1/23/2009 10:28:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lakeman2891(a)verizon.net writes:
I'm looking for parents of George Henry Cole b 10/21/1846 in New York,
he married Martha Ann Woodin on July 26, 1866 in Beekman, Duchess Co.,
NY. They moved to CT in 1880's. I believe George's parents were born in
NY
Any help appreciated.
Bob Small
Bob,
Get in touch with Bill Cole of Naples Florida. He says he has lots of
information because he has a common ancestor. Bill's address is:
_wcole67(a)embarqmail.com_ (mailto:wcole67@embarqmail.com)
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In a message dated 1/23/2009 10:34:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
janecole11(a)verizon.net writes:
There was another brother of Zaccheus
Apparently Zaccheus never left England. I think his will in Southwark is
available online.
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There was another brother of Zaccheus....Nathaniel. At least that what I
found in researching England's record. I'm pretty sure Nathaniel's mine, so
I'm interested on following your early family info.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlene Gaboriault" <c.gaboriault(a)verizon.net>
To: <cole(a)rootsweb.com>; <mckenzie_market(a)mckenzievalleymarket.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [COLE] COLE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2
> Daniel Cole born 1685 was the brother of Zaccheus, James, Job and John,
> son of ? and Frances Cole. Daniel appears in the records of Plymouth
> Colony about 1633 but eventually "removed" to Yarmouth and Eastham.
>
> The reference to "Mrs Mary Cole" appears in the Vital Records of Orleans
> and Eastham published in the Mayflower Descendant. The marriage
> reference only indicates Daniel Cole iuner of Eastham and Mary Cole of
> Harwich. The marriage intention indicates Mr. Daniel Cole ye 3rd of
> Eastham and Mrs Mary Cole of Harwich. The date of marriage was 20 Jul
> 1762 in Harwich.
>
> There was a Mary Cole, born 19 Mar 1741 in Harwich, daughter of Stephen
> Cole and Rebacca Baker. If in fact, Mary is a Cole, this would seem to
> be a possibility.
>
> Charlene
>
> cole-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born 1646 of
>> Eastham (Charlene Gaboriault)
>> 2. Re: Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born 1646 of
>> Eastham (EdwardHCole(a)aol.com)
>> 3. Re: Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born 1646 of
>> Eastham (Barbara Marrs)
>> 4. Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born 1646 ofEastham
>> (Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (3))
>> 5. Re: Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born
>> 1646ofEastham (Merilyn Pedrick)
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>> From: "Daniel David Lewis Frommherz \(3\)"
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>> Subject: [COLE] Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born 1646
>> ofEastham
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>> Folks, I take it then that this Cole family in the original post is not
>> the
>> Plymouth and Rhode Island Cole line? My paternal grandmother has two
>> different Cole's traced back of her second great grandmother's maternal
>> line. With this in mind we all need to remember that there is one thing
>> that we need to be watchful of when the research probably and eventually
>> turns to the IGI and Familysearch.org that when the name such as Mrs.
>> Mary
>> Cole shows up that this spouse has not taken the surname of her husband
>> and
>> was already a Cole by her father's surname. We also need to be mindful
>> that
>> First Cousin's did marry back in those days too.
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I'm looking for parents of George Henry Cole b 10/21/1846 in New York,
he married Martha Ann Woodin on July 26, 1866 in Beekman, Duchess Co.,
NY. They moved to CT in 1880's. I believe George's parents were born in
NY
Any help appreciated.
Bob Small
Daniel Cole born 1685 was the brother of Zaccheus, James, Job and John,
son of ? and Frances Cole. Daniel appears in the records of Plymouth
Colony about 1633 but eventually "removed" to Yarmouth and Eastham.
The reference to "Mrs Mary Cole" appears in the Vital Records of Orleans
and Eastham published in the Mayflower Descendant. The marriage
reference only indicates Daniel Cole iuner of Eastham and Mary Cole of
Harwich. The marriage intention indicates Mr. Daniel Cole ye 3rd of
Eastham and Mrs Mary Cole of Harwich. The date of marriage was 20 Jul
1762 in Harwich.
There was a Mary Cole, born 19 Mar 1741 in Harwich, daughter of Stephen
Cole and Rebacca Baker. If in fact, Mary is a Cole, this would seem to
be a possibility.
Charlene
cole-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
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> 1. Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born 1646 of
> Eastham (Charlene Gaboriault)
> 2. Re: Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born 1646 of
> Eastham (EdwardHCole(a)aol.com)
> 3. Re: Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born 1646 of
> Eastham (Barbara Marrs)
> 4. Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born 1646 ofEastham
> (Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (3))
> 5. Re: Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born
> 1646ofEastham (Merilyn Pedrick)
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> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:30:14 -0800
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> Subject: [COLE] Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born 1646
> ofEastham
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> Folks, I take it then that this Cole family in the original post is not the
> Plymouth and Rhode Island Cole line? My paternal grandmother has two
> different Cole's traced back of her second great grandmother's maternal
> line. With this in mind we all need to remember that there is one thing
> that we need to be watchful of when the research probably and eventually
> turns to the IGI and Familysearch.org that when the name such as Mrs. Mary
> Cole shows up that this spouse has not taken the surname of her husband and
> was already a Cole by her father's surname. We also need to be mindful that
> First Cousin's did marry back in those days too.
>
>
>
These are the same names as I queried a couple of days ago. I had Joseph
Cole and wife Mary being parents of Sarah Cole. Unfortunately they're about
100 years out, and born in different places! Mine were in Portugal, and
Sarah was baptised in 1764. Oh well, maybe there will be a connection found
one day.
Merilyn
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From: Barbara Marrs
Date: 23/01/2009 4:21:47 AM
To: cole(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [COLE] Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born
1646ofEastham
Do you have any information on a Joseph Cole who married Mary Chilson?
Their daughter Sarah Cole is my direct ancestors. Sarah was born 1661
Massachusetts. There have been two sets of ancestors for Joseph. So far
There has been nothing concrete for either set. I do not have any siblings
For Joseph.
Thank You
Barbara
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Subject: Re: [COLE] Daniel Cole born 1685 son of Timothy Cole born 1646 of
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In a message dated 1/22/2009 9:39:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
c.gaboriault(a)verizon.net writes:
I think I have another Daniel and want to make sure I have it right.
Charlene,
Do you know of a male Cole descendant you are tracing? There are two living
Cole males of the Eastham line who have had their y-DNA analyzed for
Genetic
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Hello Cole listers
Having just joined this mailing list, I am keen to find ancestors for my 4th
great grandmother, Sarah Cole. She was baptised on the same date as her
brother Jacob, 4th March 1764, at the British Factory Chaplaincy, Lisbon,
Portugal.
Sarah's parents were Joseph Cole and Mary (surname unknown).
Sarah must have spent her young life in Portugal, as she was married to
Daniel Vardon of Guernsey, Channel Islands, in the British Factory
Chaplaincy on the 5th August 1782. Sarah then spent the rest of her life in
Guernsey.
I would be most interested in hearing from anyone else who has Cole
ancestors in Portugal. I have seen references on Rootsweb to a Charity Cole
who was born much later. She was possibly a daughter or granddaughter of a
brother of Sarah's.
What were her family doing in Portugal? Was Joseph involved with the wine
industry? Or the army? I'd love to know.
Best wishes
Merilyn Pedrick
Aldgate, South Australia
In a message dated 1/22/2009 9:39:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
c.gaboriault(a)verizon.net writes:
I think I have another Daniel and want to make sure I have it right.
Charlene,
Do you know of a male Cole descendant you are tracing? There are two living
Cole males of the Eastham line who have had their y-DNA analyzed for genetic
markers.
Ed Cole
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From reading all the postings, there seems to be many, many Daniel
Coles in Eastham. I think I have another Daniel and want to make sure
I have it right.
Daniel Cole and Ruth Collier/Chester had a son Timothy b 1646 who
married Ruth Smith 1682 Eastham
Timothy had a son Daniel born 1685 who married Sarah Hubbard 1708 Eastham
Daniel had a son Daniel born 1709 who married Martha Rogers 1730 Eastham
Daniel had a son Daniel born 1739 who married a Mrs Mary Cole (of
Harwich) 1762 Harwich
Daniel had a son Elkanah born 1782 who married Sally/Sarah Gould in 1809
Eastham
Timothy had another son named Timothy who married Apphia Pepper,
Elizabeth Sparrow and Martha Almony. There is much information on that
line but not much for his brother Daniel.
Has anyone come across this line? The marriage intention for Mary Cole
refers to her as Mrs so it would appear this is her second marriage.
Somewhere I saw a mention of Thankful Burgess being Daniel's (1739)
first wife.
Thank you for any help.
Charlene
In a message dated 1/21/2009 7:34:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
merilyn.pedrick(a)internode.on.net writes:
What a fascinating look at the etiquette of drinking port! I especially
love the reference to the Bishop of Norwich! Thankyou Ed, for posting it.
Merilyn
Merilyn,
I am only suggesting that your English ancestor's father or brother may have
been employed in the wine industry in Portugal in the Eighteenth Century.
You might do some research on the English trade in port wine at that time.
I had an English or Irish Hutchinson ancestor on my Mother's side who, in
the Nineteenth Century served in the British Army serving in Portugal to
restore the Portuguese Monarchy after Napoleon's demise. He married a Scottish girl
named Isabel Patterson whose father also served in Portugal. I have never
been able to determine whether the Isabel's mother was Scottish or Portuguese.
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In a message dated 1/21/2009 6:57:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
merilyn.pedrick(a)internode.on.net writes:
Having just joined this mailing list, I am keen to find ancestors for my 4th
great grandmother, Sarah Cole. She was baptised on the same date as her
brother Jacob, 4th March 1764, at the British Factory Chaplaincy, Lisbon,
Portugal.
Merilyn,
The following is only a clue from Wikipedia:
Ed Cole, USA
History and tradition
Established in 1756, the Port Wine-producing Douro region is the third
oldest protected _wine region_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation) in the
world after the _Tokaj-Hegyalja_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaj-Hegyalja)
region in _Hungary_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary) , established
in 1730 and _Chianti_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chianti) 1716.
In 1756, during the rule of the _Marquês de Pombal_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastião_José_de_Carvalho_e_Melo,_Marquis_o...) , the Companhia
Geral da Agricultura das Vinhas do Alto Douro (C.G.A.V.A.D., also known as the
General Company of Viticulture of the Upper Douro) was founded to guarantee
the quality of the product and fair pricing to the end consumer. The
C.G.A.V.A.D. was also in charge of regulating which Port Wine would be for export or
internal consumption and managing the protected geographic indication.
Port became very popular in England after the _Methuen Treaty_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuen_Treaty) of 1703, when merchants were permitted to
import it at a low duty, while war with France deprived English wine drinkers
of _French wine_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_wine) . The long trip to
England often resulted in spoiled wine; the fortification of the wine was
introduced to improve the shipping and shelf-life of the wine for its journey.
The continued English involvement in the port trade can be seen in the names
of many port shippers: Cockburn, Croft, Dow, Graham, Osborne, Sandeman,
Taylor and Warre being amongst the best known. Shippers of Dutch and German
origin are also prominent, such as Niepoort and Burmester.
There is a unique body of English ritual and etiquette surrounding the
consumption of port, stemming from British naval custom._[12]_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_wine#cite_note-11)
Traditionally, the wine is passed "port to port": the host will pour a glass
for the person seated at their right and then pass the bottle or _decanter_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decanter) to the left (the port side); this
practice is then repeated around the table.
If the port becomes forestalled at some point, it is considered poor form to
ask for the decanter directly. Instead, the person seeking a refill would
ask of the person who has the bottle: "Do you know the _Bishop of Norwich_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Norwich) ?" (after the notoriously stingy
Bishop). If the person being thus queried does not know the ritual (and so
replies in the negative), the querent will remark "He's an awfully nice fellow,
but he never remembers to pass the port."
A technical solution to the potential problem of a guest forgetting their
manners and "hogging" the port can be found in a Hoggett Decanter which has a
rounded bottom, which makes it impossible to put it down until it has been
returned to the host, who can rest it in a specially designed wooden stand known
as "the Hoggett."
In other old English traditions when port is decanted, commonly at the
dining table, the whole bottle should be finished in one sitting by the diners,
and the table should not be vacated until this is done.
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