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I wonder if anybody recognizes the following Cole family members? The
census entries are from three adjacent houses in Knox County, Tennessee in
1870.
Knox County, Tennessee
Dist. 10, p.187b, HN 90, FN 90, 18 Aug 1870, Concord PO
Key David 78 m w farmer $6000/$800 TN
Nancy 70 f w TN
Cole George 38 m w farmer /$600 TN
Elizabeth 38 f w keeping house TN
Margaret 4 f w at home TN
Martha 1 f w TN
Dist. 10, p.187b, HN 91, FN 91, 18 Aug 1870, Concord PO
Martha 45 f w keeping house $1200/$100 TN
Hyden Cordelia 11 f w TN
Victoria 9 f w TN
Roxey 7 f w TN
Margaret 6 f w TN
Cole William 24 m w TN
Dist. 10, p.188a, HN 92, FN 92, 18 Aug 1870, Concord PO
Key Wesley 52 m w /$200 TN
Catharine 36 f w TN
Mary 13 f w TN
David 12 m w TN
Nancy 10 f w TN
Rosa 7 f w TN
Jordan 4 m w TN
Lucy 1 f w TN
Some explanation is probably required. The patriarch and matriarch of this
family grouping, David Key and Nancy Bright, were married in Blount County,
Tennessee in 1815. They were enumerated in Blount County up through the
1860 census. There are hints from oral family history that my gg
grandfather William Cole had Blount County connections.
George Cole (age 38 in 1870) married Elizabeth Key (age 38 in 1870) in 1864
in Knox County, Tennessee. I do not know who this George Cole was. It
certainly appears to be the case that Margaret Cole age 4 and Martha Cole
age 1 were the daughters of George Cole and Elizabeth Key.
Martha Cole age 45 is a curious situation. Even though she was head of
household in HN 91, her surname was not given. I believe we are to assume
from the way the census was listed that her surname was Cole in 1870
(continued down from George Cole and the people below him). She was Martha
M. Key, daughter of David Key and Nancy Bright. Martha M. Key m.(1) Warren
J. Hyden about 1858. Cordelia Hyden, Victoria Hyden, Roxey Hyden, and
Margaret Hyden were the children of Warren J. Hyden and Martha M. Key.
Of more importance to me, Martha Hyden nee Martha M. Key m.(2) William Cole
on 29 Oct 1867 in Knox County, Tennessee. I think there's (at least) two
possibilities. Martha's husband William Cole died before the 1870 census,
and she was a widow, or the William Cole age 24 was her husband. It would
seem very strange to me that a 45 year old woman would be married to a 24
year old man. So it seems more likely (for example) that Martha married an
older William Cole in 1867, and the older William Cole was the father (or
maybe brother) of George Cole age 38 and the father of William Cole age 24.
However, I cannot find any William Cole who would "fit" to be the older
William Cole.
The William Cole age 24 was the right age to be my gg grandfather William
Cole. However, my William Cole was married in 1865, and was enumerated in
the 1870 census with his wife and first two daughters.
Dist. 19, Knox County, Tennessee, 20 Jun 1870, Beaver Ridge PO
p.339b, HN 70, FN 71
Coal William 23 m w farmer $300/$100 TN
Vesta 30 f w keeping house TN
Ida 1 f w TN
Corda 1 f w TN
This is the only place I have found my William Cole's name spelled as
"Coal". All other records for him or his descendants spell the name as
Cole.
Despite the fact that the Cole/Key family was in District 10 of Knox County
in 1870 and my William Cole was in District 19 of Knox County in 1870, I
strongly suspect a connection.
For one thing, my William Cole died before the 1880 census, and his wife and
daughters were living in District 10 in the 1880 census.
For another thing, my William Cole purchased land in District 19 in 1869,
and Martha Hyden Cole also purchased land in District 19. The two parcels
of land were adjacent to each other. Martha M. Key m.(3) to Joseph Yarnell
on 12 Dec 1872 in Knox County, Tennessee. Martha's deed lists her name both
as Martha Cole and as Martha Yarnell. The deed was recorded in 1876 (well
after her surname would have been Yarnell), and the date of the deed was
listed as 1862 (well before her surname would have been Cole). But the two
parcels were adjacent, so I think my William Cole must have been connected
to Martha Key Hyden Cole Yarnell.
For a third thing, Joseph and Martha Yarnell were enumerated in District 19
of Knox County in the 1880 census, probably living on the land recorded in
Martha's 1876 deed.
The thought has even occurred to me that the William Cole age 24 living with
the Keys and the Hydens and my William Cole age 23 were the same person. It
seems unlikely, but if William had in some sense abandoned his wife and
children or otherwise was not living with them at all times, it's at least
theoretically possible.
Thanks in advance for any help on this Cole/Key/Hyden family.
Jerry Bryan
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One thing we do have to keep in mind is that patronymics (variations of
"son of", etc.)
were used in many cases until late in history. Surnames were not
universally used
until the 19th century and, I am told, not by some groups until they
were forced to
do so by governments. The poorer the family the less likely they would
have--or
need--a surname.
Cheers,
Linda McDaniel
In a message dated 7/24/2003 8:11:50 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
peridot(a)interactive.rogers.com writes:
> My COLES are from New Brunswick and Nova
> Scotia,Canada.
>
And if you haven't found it out already, you surely will soon, that Canada
was quite often the first stopping off point of immigrants who were intending to
end up in America. There were quite often reasons why they couldn't get
passage to America, immigrant quotas... things like that. Many of them that went
to Canada first stayed there, many of them were intending to go on to America
and did. So..... there is a very good chance that your ancestors originated
elsewhere than Canada. gentsia z.
"Cool/Kool" and "Kohl" mean "cabbage" in Dutch and German, respectively. The
spelling was changed to "Cole" in America among the Dutch shortly after the
Rev. War.
Didn't you ever wonder why "cole slaw"??
I assume, if you are now following back to country of origin, you have
completed research all the info available on them in Canada. If not you may want to
go back and research your ancestoral collateral lines. Not knowing how far
back you immigrant came to Canada (i.e. 20th or 19th century) this may mean
tracing a few or several generations. Look for info on all your ancestor's
brothers and sisters as well as children of these siblings. You might find an
obituary for a grandson of a brother of you ancestor that says his grandfather was
born in ??? and came to Canada with the rest of his family in 18??. If that
does not pay out then look at your collection of deeds, wills, etc which were
signed by your ancestor for names of witnesses, especially those that appear in
serveral documents and see if you can trace them back. Often the people who
signed such documents were in reality relatives and if you can trace them back
you may find your original ancestor living near them in the old country.
Also look at the families of the people who married the original ancestors
siblings as there was often a previous connection in the old country.
If newspapers exist for the area in which they settled and you about what
time they came, you might want to read issues for that period and see if they
refer to an influx of immigrants for a particular area.
Julia Coldren-Walker
Hello,
Just thought I would post my COLE interests. I am looking for any information on William COLE born 1841 England. He married Mary Ann COOPER July 8, 1864 in Christ Church, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia.
Their children were as follows and were all born Crain's Hill, Preston, Nova Scotia
Martha, b. Sep 8, 1864 ; married Levi Conrad - my gg grand parents
Isabella , b. Nov. 15, 1866 - married Alphus DaCosta Thomas
Isabel Emma, b. June 23, 1868
Mary Jane, b. Nov. 15 1869 ; d. Aug. 4, 1871
Charles "William", b. Jan. 16, 1873 - married Ella Hoskins
Robert Samuel, b. Jan. 16, 1876 - married Maude Euphemia Ernst
Sarah " Elizabeth" b. Jan. 24, 1879 ; called Bessie ; married to George Bainbridge
Annie, b. Nov. 10, 1886 ; married William Henneberry
Frances May, b. May 11, 1890 ; married to Clifford Collins MacDonald ; d. Aug 4, 1949
My line is as follows:
William COLE & Mary Ann COOPER
Martha COLE & Levi CONRAD
Victoria May CONRAD & John Allen CONROD [4th cousins, I think]
Mary Helen Joyce CONROD & Lawrence Delbert HAYWARD
Delbert Allen HAYWARD & Edith Jeanette FRIZELL
Cynthia Rose HAYWARD - me
warm regards,
Cindy Donovan
nee HAYWARD
Nova Scotia
Thank you listers for your input. I am new to genealogy. I just
started researching my ancestors this past winter. I am having trouble
tracing my ancestors back to their country of origin. That is why I
asked the question about the Cole nationality. I think I may be
following false leads. My COLES are from New Brunswick and Nova
Scotia,Canada.
Hello all,
My Grandmother on my Father's side was Mary Etta Cole who m. Wiley
bounds. I have always been told that Mary Etta was full-blooded French
and that Wiley was half Irish and half French. As far as I know, my
Cole line has always been spelled the same way.
Mary Jo
I subscribe to the story that COLE is derived from COEL and that all other
spellings are language-specific derivations. The name probably has its
origins in eastern Britain either during the Roman occupation (as a Roman
name) or before it (as a Celtic tribal name). King Coel (Cole) was supposed
to have lived in the third century AD in what is now Colchester, England
(very loosely translated as "Cole Army Camp"). The German and Dutch
spellings -- Kohl and Kool -- so I've been told -- are for Cole families who
migrated from Britain into those countries since the third century.
Supposedly, Cole/Coale is pure British. The Irish Cole comes from a Cole
family sent there from Britain to quell the Irish, and the Scots Cole is
from migrating Cole families.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [COLE] Nationality
In a message dated 7/23/2003 4:25:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
peridot(a)interactive.rogers.com writes:
Is Cole a German or Irish name? There is a Cole family in the 1881
census for N.S. who say that they are German.
I believe my Cole ancestors came from England. gentsia z.
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This is like asking are blonds German or Norwegian.
The surname Cole has a number of orgins. Some I know are:
English - and with movement Scots and Irish "Old King Cole was a mery old
soul" but also spelled Coal and Coale and changed to Cole over the last 200
years.
German Kohl
Dutch Kool or Cool
I have been told that there is a Italian name that is similar but don't know
what it is.
Very few names appear only in a single country and even then you have to
worry about how it changed when it reached the US.
Julia Coldren-Walker
In a message dated 7/23/03 7:52:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
peridot(a)interactive.rogers.com writes:
Is Cole a German or Irish name? There is a Cole family in the 1881
census for N.S. who say that they are German.
The Cole family related to me have their ancestry based in Great Britain.
Another Cole family which I have researched was from Germany & the original
spelling was KOHL.
Marlene
In a message dated 7/23/2003 4:25:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
peridot(a)interactive.rogers.com writes:
Is Cole a German or Irish name? There is a Cole family in the 1881
census for N.S. who say that they are German.
I believe my Cole ancestors came from England. gentsia z.
Sharon,
What site is this one. Is it the Cole site that I am already a member
of, or is there another one.
Barb
>
> I'd like to assure those who may not be aware of the various
> MyFamilycom
> sites pertaining to individual branches of the COLE family that the
> general one
> set up for all of our listmembers is still available.
>
> Sharon McAllister
>
=====
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Barb
Researching Cole, Warren and Roberts
Connected Families-Stoneman, Haga, Carrico, and lots more
http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=barbnor
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In a message dated 7/22/03 7:01:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
COLE-D-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
> COLE-D-request(a)rootsweb.com
> Please unsubscribe, Thanks, ehgill(a)cs.com
Hey Sharon,
How can we access this site to look at the COLE listings? I would like to
see if anyone else is researching my David L. COLE (b.1819 East Tennessee d.1903
Indiana) and his wife Millie BIRD (which I believe is short for Amelia
Caroline).
Thanks,
Jennie
In a message dated 7/21/2003 8:48:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Sharon73372(a)cs.com writes:
> I'd like to assure those who may not be aware of the various MyFamilycom
> sites pertaining to individual branches of the COLE family that the general
> one
> set up for all of our listmembers is still available.
>
> Sharon McAllister
In a message dated 7/21/2003 5:31:32 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
jamescosper(a)msn.com writes:
> I close out my website to MyFamily.com and consolidate it with my Cosper's
> website. If, you want an invite, contact me at jamescosper(a)msn.com. Thanks.
>
> Jim Cosper
I'd like to assure those who may not be aware of the various MyFamilycom
sites pertaining to individual branches of the COLE family that the general one
set up for all of our listmembers is still available.
Sharon McAllister
Hi everyone,
I close out my website to MyFamily.com and consolidate it with my Cosper's website. If, you want an invite, contact me at jamescosper(a)msn.com. Thanks.
Jim Cosper
Hello Cole List;
Is anyone researching any of the following COLE men shown to be from SC in 1835? If so could you please send me info on your lines containg any of these men? I am trying to see if my James Cole of LA (born in late 1700's and died in LA after 1850). James was married (ca 1820) to Elizabeth Robert daughter of Pierre Robert II and Cathering Lemoine. My research indicates that many of the Cole families in LA originated in SC and moved into the MS/LA area around Natchez from 1780-1820. The info below was found in the "South Carolina Federal Pension Report 1835" on SCGenWeb Archives: Military Records.
Henry Cole, Spartanburgh District, age 81, private,
Martin Cole, Spartanburgh District, age 76, private,
Thomas Cole, Spartanburgh District, age 91, private,
Thanks,
Barry Morgan
jb.morgan(a)cox.net