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The information I have is sketchy, so I would appreciate anyone's
confirming, denying, or expanding on it.
Mary H. Cole, born Dec. 20, 1800, Indian Lands, North Carolina
(presumably the western tip of the state); died Jackson County, Georgia,
January 6, 1885. Married Robert K. Walker. Their children were part
Indian.
Mary was the daughter of Jesse Cole, 1765-1850. He was a circuit riding
Methodist minister in the Cherokee lands. His wife Elizabeth Owen was
born in Chatham County, NC. Died 1840.
Elizabeth's mother was also a Cole, Elizabeth, who married Daniel Owen.
Jesse's parents were Thomas and Nancy Cole of Chatham County.
Does anyone have this group of Coles?
There were three emails on COLE Digest V01#136 that I wanted to comment on,
so I have put all three comments on this email.
Email #5 from Barb Norvell: I really have no more information on the Joseph,
Rachel and Sarah Cole that you asked about, however, you are right about
there being a connection between at least some of the Virginia Coles and the
Maryland Coles. William Cole I, son of Humphrey Cole, came to Virginia in
1618 on the 'Neptune, and was in the Musters of the Inhabitants in Virginia
1624/1625. William Cole I spend several years in Virginia before he moved to
Maryland. The book, "Adventurers of Purse and Person VIRGINIA 1607--1624/5",
published by the Order of First Families of Virginia, 1607--1624/5, third
edition 1987, devotes 4+ pages to William Cole I, and his Virginia
descendants. One passage reads as follows: "William Cole I represented
Nutmeg Quarter in the House of Burgesses, 1629. This settlement bordering
the James River in that part of Elizabeth City which became Warwick River
County 1634, was a few miles southeast of 'Bolthrope' purchased by William
Cole II, 1671, and the seat of the Cole family for almost one hundred years."
I bought this book on the Internet from Barnes & Noble, and I just checked
and it is still in stock and ships within 24 hours, at a cost of $85.00 plus S
&H. I imagine you could find this book in libraries with genealogy sections,
however, they might not have the latest edition...I know that the Cincinnati
Library has the first two editions 1956 and 1964, but the last time I was
there didn't have the third edition of 1987.
Email #6 from Debbie (Abudebbie(a)aol.com): My information re the ancestors of
John Cole came from the book, "British Roots of Maryland Familles", by Robert
W. Barnes. This book only goes back to Humphrey Cole, but suggests that a
William Cole, son of Robert Cole might have been the ancestor of Humphrey
Cole. Since Mr. Barnes only indicated that this was a possibility, not a
fact, and I have not found any documentation re the additional generations
that I have also seen on other websites, I have not added these additional
generations to my database. If someone else on the list knows where we can
find some documentation, I hope they will share with the list. Debbie, I
would be happy to "delve" into this topic with you...email me when you are
ready to start.
Email #7, from Anna Spencer: I contacted Kathe Hollingshous approximately a
year and a half ago, to buy her book, "The Cole Family from Maryland, South
Carolina, Georgia, and Arkansas," and she had no more of the books available.
She was kind enough to Xerox me some pages from the book, and I bought the
second book that she and her daughter, Peggy, had written, "The Cole Family
Allied Lines." At the time she was thinking about the possibility of
publishing a revised version, but I don't know if she ever did or not. I
tried to contact her recently, to inquire, but my email "bounced," so she has
evidently changed ISPs. If anyone knows her current email address, perhaps
they will let me know, or will write to her and inquire if she has or is
still thinking about publishing a new book and let us know.
Jean Turner Wigglesworth
Mason, OH
JTWiggie(a)aol.com
<A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/i/g/Jean-T-Wigglesworth/">F T M Genealogy Site: User Home Pages: Turner-Cole Family Home Page</A>
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/i/g/Jean-T-Wigglesworth/
A recent post by "Debbie" mentions the book, "The Cole Family from
Maryland, South Carolina, Georgia and Arkansas, " by Kathe Hager
Hollingshous and Peggy Ann Silva Shumway. Does anyone on the list
know if this book can still be purchased and if so where and how?
Hi--I have been researching Coles from MD for a few years now and have always
had the parents of John Cole who was married to Dinah Hawkins and Johanna
Garrett, as Thomas Coale and Priscilla. In looking at the information posted
regarding this line, it seems possible that the Thomas I have as John's
father was actually his uncle. Can anyone clear this up a bit? My information
came from "The Cole Family from Maryland, South Carolina, Georgia and
Arkansas, " by Kathe Hager Hollingshous and Peggy ann Silva Shumway. In
re-reading their material, it seems the basis of saying that Thomas was
father has to do with land holdings. It now seems to me that holding land
adjacent to someone of the proper age and surname to be your father, does not
necessarily make him so! It seems equally likely that one could own land
adjacent to one's uncle.
In re-examining my information, I have also stumbled upon some other research
done by E. G. Cole in 1994 which also contains the line with the Humphrey
Cole who married Mary Mott. He cites two generations further back also.
1. William Cole b. abt 1520 in England married to Ann Colles in 1545
2. William Cole b abt 1546 in England married to Elizabeth Deards in
abt 1570
3. Humphrey Cole b abt 1572 in Tillingham, Essex, England died
3/27/1624 same location. Married Mary Mott of Denge about 1597. (Denge is
noted to be 1mile south of Tillingham.
4. William Cole b abt 1598 at Essex, England, d. 1669 St.
Mary's Co, MD Came to VA 1616 on Neptune. 1625 Land grant in VA. Resided in
Elizabeth City, Norfork Co VA. Went to MD 1651.Married in 1631, Sarah b 1599
VA
4. Martha Cole b abt 1600 died 12/14/1638. Married first
James Walker 1616, second Micaiah Wood about 1618.
*Second wife of Humphrey Cole Hester born about 1578.
4. Thomas Cole b abt 1602 died Jan 1641. Married
Rebecca--Resided Bradwell by Sea.
4. Robert Cole b abt 1604 Cambridge money in will-rector,
Great Oakley, Essex 1627-1629. (I don't know what this means) Married about
1630, wife?
4. John Cole b 1606 died 7/16/1646 married to ?
4. Mary (Jane) Cole b 1608 married John George of Writtle
(20 mi W of Tillingham)
All above in Humphrey Cole's will proved 5/17/1624 Ref. Virginia Gleanings
in England, Genealogical Pub. Co. Baltimore, MD.
The remainder of his tree is nearly impossible to follow since it isn't
numbered and has lines and arrows connecting people. I now see why I stuck it
in my file without doing anything with this. The one thing of note is that
John Cole b 1669 does NOT appear in his tree. If anyone would like to delve
into this topic with me I'd be interested!
Debbie
I am once again going to try and find out the parents of my Charles Cole.
I have Charles Cole b ca 1761, M Elizabeth Stoneman ca 1794 in Grayson
County Virginia. He was my 4th great grandfather.
Jean, I was just looking at your site. Do you have any info on Joseph
Cole that married Rachel. They had a child named Sarah b ca 1762. My
Charles had a sister named Sarah. She stayed in Grayson and never
married.
This is going to sound weird, but I really think this family started out
in Maryland. One of Charles grandson's lived in Grayson. There is a
tale about him that he supposedly went back to Maryland for something at
one time. I don't think that travel was that prevalent in that time,
unless for something important, say for a funeral. That would mean a
family funeral, or some such event that would be important enough for
them to make that trip. He took his whole family. That is the reason I
am trying to connect this Cole family to the Coles from Maryland. Also
My Grandparents settled in Baltimore County and that is where they are
buried. I am from Baltimore, so I had lots of family there.
Barb
Valerie,
I can give instructions for making a gedcom, if that is the problem. I
have FTM. The easiest site I know of for posting your family tree is
Rootsweb WorldConnect. All you do is upload the gedcom. The site
actually handles taking out dates for the living, etc. I have a site at
Dave Wilks Gedcom Server, but when I uploaded that one, I had to make a
special file and delete the dates of the living. I have never upgraded
that site, because of the work required to do it. At WorldConnect, all
you do is make a new gedcom and upload the new info. The site does all
the work. After you learn the ins and outs of getting info to the site,
then you can click on advanced and have the site take out the names of
the living. For instance, right now, the living have the Surname listed
with Living as the first name. You just uncheck a box to change that.
I can also give instructions for cutting out a gedcom of just a certain
family in the file. I will list here for all, the instructions for FTM.
Open your FTM file.
Under VIEW, click on COPY/EXPORT family file
A box will come up.
Give the file a name. I usually name it something to give me a hint as
to where to find it when I need it. Say COLE file for Valerie.
Next it says to save file as. (It says ftm for windows) Pull down on the
arrow to the word GEDCOM. You then designate where you want to put the
file when it is saved. Choose someplace it will be easy to find. Then
click on save.
The next step is to show what you want to include in your file. Click on
Fields to export and a box will come up to show what different items can
be included, such as facts and notes. The default is to include is
birth/location, death/location, marriage/location and sex. If that is
all you want to include, you don't have to bother with this step. If
you want to includes your notes, etc. just highlight the item and click
on export. When you are finished, click on OK and then OK on the
remaining box. The gedcom will take a few minutes to make, if it is a
large one.
That is all there is to it.
There is an extra step if you want to save just one part of the file.
You go to the family you want and go to the first member of that family.
When the family page comes up, you pull down or click on outline
descendant tree. When the tree comes up, go once again to FILE, but
pull down and click on COPY/EXPORT individuals in the outline descendant
tree. The rest of the steps are the same.
If anyone wants to set up a website at worldconnect, email me and I can
help with that. Check out my site below to see what the worldconnect
site will look like
Barb
Main lines COLE, WARREN & ROBERTS
Other names Carrico, Stoneman, Haga, Parks and more
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=barbnor
> Subject: Mary Lobel Backlash
> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:39:33 -0700
> From: "Valerie McClung" <valerie(a)denzilm.com>
> To: COLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
> Lee - and others,
>
> If you want to get a feel for people who are "angry and impatient" re: the Lobel issue, you ought to be in the "hot seat" at my house right now. Whew! Despite the fact that I asked people to reply to the list, many are just hitting the "reply" button and sending their responses on to me directly. I'm forwarding those that are polite to the list but the flamers responses - and yes, there apparently are flamers even amongst us Coles, go right into the trash bin.
>
> Quite a few of these people are just sending me the entire script from the Great Migration re: James Cole. I'm confused. They're sending me information that clearly documents his marriage to Mary Tibbes and yet their online ancestry cites Mary Lobel. Here's my theory - I think that the majority of these people are aware of the new information but don't know how to alter their uploaded file. I'll have to admit that as a computer novice, I'm intimidated by just the instructions on how to upload a file, let alone change it.
>
> What do you think? Is there anyone on the list who has done this and is willing to serve as a resource to someone who might need help?
>
In a message dated 9/29/2001 10:38:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
JTWiggie(a)aol.com
>
Thanks so much for the information; I hope to be going to the Mesa, AZ LDS
center this week and will definitely check it out. Thanks again, gentsia
Another reply to my request for info. Unfortunately, John is under the
assumption that you must be a "member" of Rootsweb to reply to the Cole
list - Valerie
----- Original Message -----
From: " John L. Carpenter" <jcarp45(a)top.monad.net>
To: "Valerie McClung" <valerie(a)denzilm.com>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Mary Lobel
> I cannot adress cole roots web not a member, Most of my coles family info
is
> from Robetr Coles who immigrated from somewhere in England to Mass. then
> eventually landed in Rhode Island, Ca. 1640
> I have from him a connection to tha carpenter family. The others are from
a
> download from world family tree -cd file.
> John l. Carpenter
>
>
>
>
I am new to list and new to researching my family tree. I will start at the
beginning with my great great grandmother, Mary Jane Cole, born June 29,
1882 and married a Benjamin Garl. They lived in Putnam County, Indiana.
Her parents were Ellen Tucker and Frederick Peter Cole ( I am not sure of
his date or place of birth). Frederick's parents were Mary Lane (Jane) Cast
(Kast) born 10-16-1838 and Jeremiah Cole born November 10, 1827. I was
given some information by a family member that suggests that Jeremiah was
born in the Netherlands. If anyone has any information on this family, I
would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for your time.
Monica Cantrell
GentsiaZee(a)aol.com requested information on where she could obtain the book,
"British Roots of Maryland Families" by Robert W. Barnes, which I referenced
in an email to the list.
I bought the book in 1999 on the Internet from Barnes & Noble. I just
checked the B&N website and they are still showing the book in stock, with
shipment within 24 hours at a cost of $49.50, plus S&H.
If you don't want to buy the book, I think that many libraries, especially
those with good genealogy sections, will probably have the book. A Cole
"cousin" told me that the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City has
the book, so possibly some of the local LDS Family History Centers will also
have the book.
Hope this helps,
Jean Turner Wigglesworth
JTWiggie(a)aol.com
<A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/i/g/Jean-T-Wigglesworth/">F T M Genealogy Site: User Home Pages: Turner-Cole Family Home Page</A>
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/i/g/Jean-T-Wigglesworth/
Lee - and others,
If you want to get a feel for people who are "angry and impatient" re: the Lobel issue, you ought to be in the "hot seat" at my house right now. Whew! Despite the fact that I asked people to reply to the list, many are just hitting the "reply" button and sending their responses on to me directly. I'm forwarding those that are polite to the list but the flamers responses - and yes, there apparently are flamers even amongst us Coles, go right into the trash bin.
Quite a few of these people are just sending me the entire script from the Great Migration re: James Cole. I'm confused. They're sending me information that clearly documents his marriage to Mary Tibbes and yet their online ancestry cites Mary Lobel. Here's my theory - I think that the majority of these people are aware of the new information but don't know how to alter their uploaded file. I'll have to admit that as a computer novice, I'm intimidated by just the instructions on how to upload a file, let alone change it.
What do you think? Is there anyone on the list who has done this and is willing to serve as a resource to someone who might need help?
Valerie
Another convert folks - and one who will correct her online record. A gold star to you Toni!
----- Original Message -----
From: Toni Turk
To: Valerie McClung
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Mary Lobel
Valerie:
Thanks for the heads up. I am correcting my records and will upload the same to the internet.
Toni
----- Original Message -----
From: Valerie McClung
To: tturk(a)sanjuan.net
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:49 PM
Subject: Mary Lobel
Hi Toni,
I subscribe to the Cole Surname Digest hosted by Rootsweb. A newcomer to the list recently made an inquiry as to the correct wife of James Cole. Numerous people have his wife cited as Mary Lobel, others have Mary Tibbes.
Pam Thompson, who has been gathering information to update EB Cole's original book, from which many people derive their information (some factual, some erroneous) contributed the following information to the list in 1998.
She personally travelled to the Devon Record Office in Exeter, England in 1995 and found the actual marriage entry for James Cole & Mary Tibbes. They were married in Barnstaple on May 8, 1625. She also found the original birth records for their son's - James and Hugh - along with information on Mary Tibbes family. All of this information is also available in the back archives of the Cole Digest.
There are still those who believe however, that James Cole's wife was Mary Lobel. Some believe that he may have had 2 wives - Mary Lobel and Mary Tibbes.
While the list has this issue under discussion, we are asking that anyone who has any factual information that can be backed up with solid evidence that can prove or disprove Mary Lobel to be the wife of James Cole to come forward now.
Please address your responses to COLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Thank you,
Valerie McClung
Another reply to me - and for those who are keeping track - so far, NO ONE who is listing Mary Lobel w/ James Cole can back it up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tina Lamb
To: Valerie McClung
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Mary Lobel
thanks for the info
----- Original Message -----
From: Valerie McClung
To: lamb2u2(a)home.com
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 2:34 PM
Subject: Mary Lobel
Another reply to me instead of the list.
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Brousseau
To: Valerie McClung
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Mary Lobel
Thank you for the information. THe information I got was from other treees on rootsweb. I search names and dates provided to be by my aunt and connected what she gave me to other information on the web She had given me the name of Mary Cole , the daughter of Joseph Cole and Mary Stepens and I was able to connect them to someone elses tree on Rootsweb. I do not have any direct information on Mary Lobel. But I appreciate the information you shared with me. -Dorothy Brousseau
----- Original Message -----
From: Valerie McClung
To: marcfb(a)mediaone.net
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 3:32 PM
Subject: Mary Lobel
Hello Dorothy,
I subscribe to the Cole Surname Digest hosted by Rootsweb. A newcomer to the list recently made an inquiry as to the correct wife of James Cole. Numerous people have his wife cited as Mary Lobel, others have Mary Tibbes.
Pam Thompson, who has been gathering information to update EB Cole's original book, from which many people derive their information (some factual, some erroneous) contributed the following information to the list in 1998.
She personally travelled to the Devon Record Office in Exeter, England in 1995 and found the actual marriage entry for James Cole & Mary Tibbes. They were married in Barnstaple on May 8, 1625. She also found the original birth records for their son's - James and Hugh - along with information on Mary Tibbes family. All of this information is also available in the back archives of the Cole Digest.
There are still those who believe however, that James Cole's wife was Mary Lobel. Some believe that he may have had 2 wives - Mary Lobel and Mary Tibbes.
While the list has this issue under discussion, we are asking that anyone who has any factual information that can be backed up with solid evidence that can prove or disprove Mary Lobel to be the wife of James Cole to come forward now.
Please address your responses to COLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Thank you,
Valerie McClung
I am stuck and thought placing the information on where I am stuck on the
Cole list and the Coles county list might find someone who could help me
find a solution. here is information on James and his family passed to me
from family.
Name: James William COLE
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Birth: 1811 Pa.
Death: APPROX 1860/1870
Marriage: 9 Oct 1837
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Spouse: Sarah Francis Rice
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Birth: Apr 1805 Ind.
Death: 8 May 1893 Mankato, Kansas
Father: Jordan RICE (1784-1831)
Mother: Elizabeth WATTS
Children:
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1 F: Elenora COLE
Birth: 1841 Ind.
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2 M: William J COLE
Birth: 1843 Ind.
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3 M: John Smith COLE
Birth: 11 Feb 1845 Ripley, Indiana, USA
Death: 7 Jan 1936
Spouse: Clara Ellen ALFREY
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4 M: Charles R COLE
Birth: 1847 Ind.
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5 F: Anabele COLE
Birth: 1849 Ind.
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6 M: Archibald COLE
Birth: abt 1849
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7 ?: Granir COLE
Birth: abt 1851
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8 M: Joel R COLE
Birth: ABOUT 1853/1855
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9 F: Sarah COLE
Birth: abt 1855
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10 M: Samuel E COLE
Birth: abt 1857
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11 F: Mary T COLE
Birth: abt 1859
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I joined this list a little bit ago, but haven't posted anything yet. So I
thought I would give it a try, even though I don't know very much about
her.
Elizabeth COLE, b. bet. 1784-1794, married William STEPTOE (name was later
changed to STEPTER) on 10 Jan 1808 in Culpeper, VA. By the 1810 census
they were living in Kanawha, VA, then by 1820 they were living in Lawrence
Co., OH. In 1847, when she died, they were living in Greenup Co., KY.
If anyone has any connection to this Elizabeth Cole, would love to hear
from you. Elizabeth and William are my 5th great-grandparents. I have
quite a bit of info on their children.
--Debbie Schnell Woolard
djwoolard(a)earthlink.net
ICQ #83725129 - AIM: DeborahWoolard
Another response to my request - Valerie
I also have had my mail to the following individuals immediately returned as "Undeliverable" who have contributed large files to WorldConnect with the James Cole/Mary Lobel connection. If anyone has a new address for these people and thinks that they may have info to share, please contact them.
David Tinker - tinker(a)netins.net
Jay Wondolowski - woolcroft(a)kaltelnet.net
Terry French - teral(a)netscape.net
A.L. Emily - gngoat(a)pmail.net
----- Original Message -----
From: The Pavones
To: Valerie McClung
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Mary Lobel
Hi,
This is the information I have since found on Ancestry.com:
Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England, 1620-33
The Great Migration Begins
Sketches
JAMES COLE
ORIGIN: Barnstaple, Devonshire
MIGRATION: 1633
FIRST RESIDENCE: Plymouth
OCCUPATION: Shoemaker. Innkeeper. On 7 June 1637 "James Coale of Plymouth" was fined 10s. "for selling less than a Winchester quart for ijd.... but not in ignorance" [PCR 1:61]. On 5 May 1640 "James Cole, of Plymouth, is prohibited by the Court to draw any wine or strong water until the next General Court, nor then neither without special license from the Court" [PCR 1:153]. On 2 June 1640 John Kerman deposed that "there was such disorder in James Cole's house, by throwing stools, & forms, & fire, until within a hour of day, or thereabouts, that they could hardly sleep, and in the morning he found them on sleep by the fire" [PCR 1:156]. On 1 September 1640 James Cole "for drawing wine without license & contrary to the express prohibition of the Court, & for his contempt & disorders suffered in his house, is fined £5" [PCR 1:162]; in the margin is the annotation "Discharged." On 7 January 1644/5 he was licensed to draw wine "if he shall agree with Mr. Done to take off those w!
ines he now hath in his hands" [PCR 2:80]. It was ordered 9 June 1653 that "James Cole, the ordinary keeper of Plymouth" be paid "for what he expendeth in keeping the ordinary" [PCR 3:38]. On 7 June 1659 the court authorized £10 for the "repairing of the house he now liveth in, so as it may be fitted as an ordinary for the entertainment of strangers" [PCR 3:166]. On 5 March 1660/1, James Cole, senior, was fined 10s. for selling wine to the Indians [PCR 3:207]. He was fined 5s. 3 October 1665 for allowing Richard Dwelley to be drunk in his house [PCR 4:107]. James Cole, senior, and Mary, his wife, were presented for selling strong liquors to an Indian, and for allowing James Clarke, Phillip Dotterich, Mary Ryder, and Hester Wormall to drink on the Lord's Day on 2 March 1668/9 [PCR 5:15]. The large fine was partly remitted, 1 June 1669 [PCR 5:21]. On 8 March 1670/1 John Sprague was fined for "highly misdemean[ing]" himself at the house of James Cole, including riding his mare !
into the parlor [PCR 5:53]. This was probably the house of entertainment kept by James Cole Junior, who began business shortly before 7 June 1670 [PCR 5:39]. "James Cole, Senir" was fined for being "found drunk the second time, 5 June 1671 [PCR 5:61]. He was presented for suspicion of being drunk, "he pleading infirmity of body, which may make some think that sometimes he is drunk" 29 October 1671 [PCR 5:81].
FREEMAN: In "1633" Plymouth list of freemen, between those made free 1 January 1633/4, and those made free 1 January 1634/5 [PCR 1:4]. In 7 March 1636/7 Plymouth list of freemen [PCR 1:53]. In Plymouth section of 1639, 1658 and 29 May 1670 lists of freemen [PCR 5:274, 8:174, 197].
EDUCATION: Signed his deeds.
OFFICES: Plymouth petit jury, 2 January 1637/8, 3 May 1642, 1 November 1642, 6 June 1643, 7 November 1643 [PCR 1:74, 7:29, 32, 35, 36]. Coroner's jury, 1 August 1648 on the body of the daughter of Richard and Alice Bishop, and 15 July 1660 on the body of James "Peirse" [PCR 2:132, 3:196].
Plymouth constable, 1 March 1641/2, 5 June 1644 [PCR 2:34, 72]. Surveyor of highways, 1 March 1641/2, 7 June 1642, 5 June 1651, 7 June 1652 [PCR 2:34, 40, 168, 3:9].
At the end of the list of Plymouth men who will serve in the Pequot war "if they be pressed" is "James Coale," 7 June 1637 [PCR 1:61]. In Plymouth section of 1643 Plymouth Colony list of men able to bear arms (as "James Cole Sen[ior]") [PCR 8:188]. The "boat of James Cole of Plymouth," with seamen, was impressed to transport soldiers 20 June 1654 [PCR 3:57].
ESTATE: Assessed 9s. in Plymouth tax list of 27 March 1634 [PCR 1:28].
On 2 January 1636/7, one of four men granted "seven acres apiece, to belong to their several dwelling houses in Plymouth" [PCR 1:49].
On 16 September 1641 James Cole was granted fifty acres of upland at Lakenhame Meddow, and some meadow to be laid out "upon view" [PCR 2:26]. On 27 September 1642 James Cole was granted "an enlargement at the head of his lot" [PCR 2:48].
On 9 September 1661 Samuel Dunham of Plymouth, planter, sold to "James Cole Senior of [Plymouth], shoemaker, all that his part, portion or share of land at Punckateeset" [PCLR 2:2:69].
He was first on the list when on 3 June 1662, the court allowed that the "servants and ancient freemen shall have liberty, in case they cannot procure Saconett Necke ... to look out some other place undisposed of, for their accommodation" [PCR 4:18]. He received one share, equivalent to about thirty acres on the westerly side of Namasskett River, 7 June 1665 [PCR 4:94].
On [blank] March 1668 James Cole Sr. of Plymouth, yeoman, gave to "my beloved son-in-law Mr. John Almey of ... Portsmouth in Rhode Island" his entire right at Punckateeset [PCLR 3:326.
On 31 October 1673 James Cole Sr. of Plymouth "for natural love and affection" granted to "my son Hugh Cole of Swansea" his right to land at Saconnet [PCLR 3:310]
BIRTH: By about 1600 based on date of marriage.
DEATH: After October 1678 (his son sold land as "James Cole Junior" [PCLR 4:226]). (Savage states that "he was living in 1688, very aged.")
MARRIAGE: Barnstaple, Devonshire, 1 May 1625 Mary Tibbes [Thomas Wainwright, ed., Barnstaple Parish Register of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538 A.D. to 1812 A.D. (Exeter, 1903), cited herein as Barnstaple PR, p. 21]; she died after 7 March 1659/60 [PCR 3:181].
CHILDREN:
i JAMES, bp. Barnstaple, Devonshire, 11 February 1626/7 [Barnstaple PR 68]; in Plymouth section of 1643 list of men able to bear arms [PCR 8:188]; m. (1) Plymouth 23 December 1652 Mary Tilson [PCR 8:14]; m. (2) by September 1698 Esther _____; m. (3) in 1700 or later Abigail _____ [TAG 67:243-45 discusses the wives and children of this man in detail].
ii HUGH, bp. Barnstaple, Devonshire, 29 June 1628 [Barnstaple PR 70]; in Plymouth section of 1643 list of men able to bear arms [PCR 8:188]; m. Plymouth 8 January 1654[/5] Mary Foxwell [PCR 8:72, 74; TAG 64:139-41].
iii JOHN, b. say 1630; possibly the John Cole whose inventory was taken at Portsmouth, R.I., 15 December 1676 [Charles Henry Pope, The Plymouth Scrap Book (Boston 1918), p. 122].
iv MARY, b. say 1632; m. (1) by 1668 John Almy [PCLR 3:326; Austin 238]; m. (2) by 28 June 1677 John Pococke [Austin 154, 238].
COMMENTS: James Cole of Saco was not part of this family.
On 2 January 1637/8 the Plymouth court noted that James Cole had been drinking excessively at the house of Mr. Hopkins [PCR 1:75].
On 2 July 1638, and again on 4 September 1638, James Cole was surety for RICHARD CLOUGH in a criminal case [PCR 1:91, 97]; in the first instance he was called "sayler," and in the second innkeeper.
On 6 September 1641, Emanuel White sued James Cole over twenty two bushels of Indian corn and Cole agreed to pay [PCR 7:23]. On 7 September 1641, James Cole's fine of £5 was remitted "allowing the diet of John Mynard during the time he was erecting the prison" [PCR 2:24]. On 7 December 1641 James Cole sued James Luxford and Luxford's goods were attached [PCR 7:26]. On 21 November 1644, James Cole undertook to pay 22s. for Francis Goole to William Hanbury [PCR 2:78].
At the 2 October 1650 court, he was cleared of assaulting William "Shirtley" of Plymouth [PCR 2:162]. James Cole, Senior, sued James Shaw and won a 36s. judgment, 4 March 1650/1 [PCR 7:53].
Robert Willis was up all night drinking at James Cole's before he went out fishing and accidently drowned, as the inquest found 26 July 1652 [PCR 3:15]. James Cole was presented for "entertaining townsmen in his house, contrary to order of court" 5 October 1652 [PCR 3:17]. On 7 March 1653/4 John Barnes sued "James Cole, Seni[o]r," for taking eleven barrels of oil on behalf of Barnes, but delivering him only ten [PCR 7:69].
At court 7 March 1659/60, Thomas Lucas was fined 30s. for his "abusive and threatening speeches and turbulent carriages towards the wife of James Cole, Senior, and the child of James Cole, Junior" [PCR 3:181].
James Cole Sr. and Joseph Ramsdens reached agreement over a debt, 7 May 1662 [PCR 4:11]. He won a judgment against Henery Saunders for nonpayment of a debt, 3 May 1664 [PCR 4:57]. James Cole Sr. attached a gun belonging to Joseph Billington, but the court ordered it released for Billington was already bound [PCR 4:69-70]. He was granted a judgment of £1 10s. 11d. against John Sutten, 6 February 1665/6 [PCR 4:112].
Elaine Pavone
----- Original Message -----
From: Valerie McClung
To: the_pavones(a)compuserve.com
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 2:48 PM
Subject: Mary Lobel
Hi Elaine,
I subscribe to the Cole Surname Digest hosted by Rootsweb. A newcomer to the list recently made an inquiry as to the correct wife of James Cole. Numerous people have his wife cited as Mary Lobel, others have Mary Tibbes.
Pam Thompson, who has been gathering information to update EB Cole's original book, from which many people derive their information (some factual, some erroneous) contributed the following information to the list in 1998.
She personally travelled to the Devon Record Office in Exeter, England in 1995 and found the actual marriage entry for James Cole & Mary Tibbes. They were married in Barnstaple on May 8, 1625. She also found the original birth records for their son's - James and Hugh - along with information on Mary Tibbes family. All of this information is also available in the back archives of the Cole Digest.
There are still those who believe however, that James Cole's wife was Mary Lobel. Some believe that he may have had 2 wives - Mary Lobel and Mary Tibbes.
While the list has this issue under discussion, we are asking that anyone who has any factual information that can be backed up with solid evidence that can prove or disprove Mary Lobel to be the wife of James Cole to come forward now.
Please address your responses to COLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Thank you,
Valerie McClung
Another response to my message - being passed along to the list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Okerson" <jokerso1(a)midsouth.rr.com>
To: "Valerie McClung" <valerie(a)denzilm.com>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Mary Lobel
>
> My information only came from the Broderbund Family Tree CDs. I have
> no original information.
>
>
> I didn't really think it worth disturbing your list with this message.
>
> John Okerson
> Memphis, TN
>
Sent to me and being passed on to the list.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lindacole(a)aol.com
To: valerie(a)denzilm.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Mary Lobel
Thanks for including me in the discussion on the wife of James Cole. I am not sending my response to the List, because I have nothing factual to contribute. I was, however, aware of the controversy and am interested in the results. I am on many Rootsweb surname lists, but not the COLE list. I think I will need to subscribe to see the results of this discussion. Thanks again. Linda Cole
I very much agree with Lee and Sharon. I'm always open to someone else's opinion but in genealogy work, I want that opinion backed up with something.
I'm home sick with a cold for the third day - yuck - and needed to do something in between reaching for another kleenex and taking another dose of Nyquil.
So, I went to WorldConnect and sent the following nonthreatening email to every person who has Mary Lobel listed as James Cole's wife. Who knows what will come out?
Valerie
Text of message -
I subscribe to the Cole Surname Digest hosted by Rootsweb. A newcomer to the list recently made an inquiry as to the correct wife of James Cole. Numerous people have his wife cited as Mary Lobel, others have Mary Tibbes.
Pam Thompson, who has been gathering information to update EB Cole's original book, from which many people derive their information (some factual, some erroneous) contributed the following information to the list in 1998.
She personally travelled to the Devon Record Office in Exeter, England in 1995 and found the actual marriage entry for James Cole & Mary Tibbes. They were married in Barnstaple on May 8, 1625. She also found the original birth records for their son's - James and Hugh - along with information on Mary Tibbes family. All of this information is also available in the back archives of the Cole Digest.
There are still those who believe however, that James Cole's wife was Mary Lobel. Some believe that he may have had 2 wives - Mary Lobel and Mary Tibbes.
While the list has this issue under discussion, we are asking that anyone who has any factual information that can be backed up with solid evidence that can prove or disprove Mary Lobel to be the wife of James Cole to come forward now.
Please address your responses to COLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Thank you,
Valerie McClung