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Yet ANOTHER William COLE!!!
(See message just sent - SUBJ: Lost Sheepl - William COLE (as thou
there
were only ONE!)<
Yes, the frequency of this name is mind-boggling. There were four William
COLEs in Deep Fork Township, Oklahoma County, Oklahoma Territory, in 1900
-- and all lived within 3 miles of each other! One was called "Will", one
was "Bob", one was "Willie" and I haven't been able to find out the
nickname of the fourth.
My Ggrandfather explained that all belonged to the same family, and that
every branch had a William in every generation because that was the name of
their immigrant ancestor.
I'm still trying to prove his story, but firmly believe that the pattern of
given names can be an indicator of relationship among families.
Sharon McAllister
73372.1745(a)compuserve.com
I am interested in your OWENS family. I have OWENS' and am unable to
get any further back than 1838 when my husbands great grandfather was
born. His name was James W. OWENS, born1838. He was married in Ashe
County, North Carolina in August 6, 1856 toAnne LEATH and from there
came to Grayson County, Virginia where I find him in the 1860 census
living in Elk Creek, VA. with Anne and their little son George
Washington OWENS, age two. George Washington OWENS grew up to marry
Lydia Curilda COLE, daughter of James COLE and Lydia Elizabeth HOWELL of
Grayson County, Virginia. On June 24, 1861 James enlisted in the
Civil War. He is twenty-two years old and is placed in Company K, 51st
Virginia Infantry. Interestingly enough, there are two other OWENS men
that join the same day, same place and are also in Co.K, 51st Virginia
Infantry. Their names were Jackson and George. I can't help but
believe that they may all be brothers, but I can't find a parent listed
for any of them anywhere. Jackson died in 1862 of typhoid fever in a
prison camp and James died (according to his wife on her application for
a pension onJune 7, 1888) of either pneumonia or typhoid fever, in
1861. Family stories say he died of gangrene caused by a bayonet wound
to the shoulder. Any help or hints would be greatly appreciated. Am
willing to share what I have if we connect.
Gloria Owens
I noticed I had a different death date for Asa ( march 12, 1826, in Belmont,
OH). I got my information from
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Jeffry-D-Cole/index.html, Jeffry
Cole who also acknowledges that he got his information from others. Perhaps
you can visit his site and email him from it -- the different death date
indicates a different source from yours.
I have Samuel Cole and unknown wife as parents for Susannah, but no further
ancestry.
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J. Timothy Cole (Tim)
timcole(a)colescorner.com
timcole1(a)home.com
http://www.colescorner.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marjorie L Wood" <woodchuck(a)eurekanet.com>
To: <COLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 9:48 PM
Subject: lost sheep-Asa Cole,Suzannah Cole, Stephen Cole, John Cole
> I am looking for documentation that ASA COLE born 1765 died 1823 in
> Washington Co., Ohio married SUZANNAH COLE 12 Nov. 1787. I know that
> ASA's father was JOHN COLE but need documentation. Also looking for
> parents of SUZANNAH COLE, somewhere I found that her father was
> STEPHEN COLE but can't remember where I found the information. These
> are my brick walls.
>
> Marjorie L. Wood
> woodchuck(a)eurekanet.com
>
>
I have a John Cole, born in Kentucky, that maybe, possibly, could be your
John. I say that because most of my Kentucky Cole's seemed to have stayed
in Kentucky or ended up in the Cincinnati area (including Hamilton). I, for
example am about 10 miles from Hamilton, OH.
I know nothing more of him than his place of birth and his parents (he is a
brother to my ancestor).
An American Family
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Stroll through the 400 pages of our 1000-year
family history and picture gallery. If you have
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to contribute, please, let me hear from you!
Alan Ray Cole
4746 Bordeaux Lane, Mason, Ohio 45040
(760) 281-9888, voice/fax
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----- Original Message -----
From: <lesliea(a)jps.net>
To: <COLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 6:40 PM
Subject: Lost Sheep - John COLE
> My "lost sheep" is John S. Cole. The following information was
> copied out of "Sem-Centenarian of Butler, IL by Spilman) page 20.
>
> When about 12 removed to Hamilton, Butler County, OH. After
> residing there for two or three years he came to Montgomery
> County, IL and lived upon the Seward Hill south of Butler. In about
> seven years he returned to New Jersey and then to the state of
> New York, he lived for about 26 years, when he returned to
> Montgomery County. He located on a farm about three miles SW
> of Butler. Married in Sussex County, NJ to Elisabeth Paddock who
> died near Butler, Nov 13, 1876.
>
> Children:
> Emily born about 1832 Sussex NJ died Sussex NJ prior to 1850
> Julie Ann born about 1833 Sussex NJ married Burrel PHILLIPS
> Nancy Loucinda born about Feb 1834 married Joseph SERRETTE
> Almeda born about 1838 married Charles SCHAPER
> George
> Clarence E. married Fannie ELLIS
>
> Any help on the parents of John COLE greatly appreciated.
>
> Leslie
> Any information on his parents or any children would be
> appreciated.
>
I have some information about Alexander Cole's family, in Giles and Marshall
Co. TN, but after 1860 they all disappear except he and his father, Abner J.
Cole. Alexander married Mary Jane Thompson and they moved to Lauderdale Co.
AL around 1885.
Family members listed on the 1860 Giles Co, TN Census are:
Abner J. Cole 38
Thomas N. 15
Dewitt C. 13
Lafayette 10
Ersule 8
Elizabeth 8
William J. 2
Has anyone heard of this family? Alexander was sometimes known as Andrew (I
have no idea why). If this rings any bells with anyone, please let me know.
Thanks.....
Frances Webb
fwebb(a)cei.net
Yet ANOTHER William COLE!!!
(See message just sent - SUBJ: Lost Sheepl - William COLE (as thou there
were only ONE!)
Actually, it's not William who is lost - but most of his children!
William Bibb COLE (b. 2 May 1768, Louisa Co,VA; d. 9 Jul 1857, Fayette
Co,AL)
m. 15 Jan 1798
Sarah "Sally" BYARS (b. 12 Jan 1763, Louisa Co,VA; d. 25 Sep 1810, Clarke
Co, GA)
Daughters:
Mary "Polly" Martha Elizabeth
Jane Rebecca Sarah
Matilda
Sons:
Richard (b. 1792, Fayette Co, AL; d. 1864) m.
Sarah FREEMAN (dates/places unknown, thou I know there were
FREEMANs also in Fayette Co at the time)
William H (b. 1795; d. 1857) m.
Martha GRIFFIN
Littleton (b. 1810; d. 1871) m.
Narrissa FILES (also know there were FILEs in Fayette Co)
John Byars COLE - see below
I have information on one son: John Byars COLE and his wife Teresa
LONGMIRE, as they are the grand parents of my grgrgrandfather. My dilemma is:
that same grgrgrandfather (William Sampson COLE b. 10 Oct 1857, Fayette Co,
AL; d. 12 Dec 1920, Jefferson Co, AL) married Willie Ella COLE - daughter of
William Duncan COLE and Cornelia Ann DARDEN, both from Fayette Co, AL.
William Duncan's father was Isaac COLE and Isaac's father was - you
guessed it another William COLE.
My hope is that I can fill in the gap here - I feel confident the William
Duncan/Isaac/William COLEs are related to the John Byar/Henry Wood/William
Sampson COLEs. And the sons of William Bibb COLE and the sons of William COLE
(son of Richard - see previous note) - are my best hope!
ANY INFO WELCOME!!!
Also, would be glad to share what I have on who I have or there's a
link!!! - Leah
ONE of my MAJOR Lost Sheep is:
William Cole (b. 5 Oct 1786)
Siblings: Catherine (b. 1790); m. William EDWARDS (Also LOST LAMB)
Armistead (b. 1793); (yet another LOST LAMB)
Samuel (b. 1799); m. Lucinda MELTON
(I have info on their children but then the children are
LOST) Richard (b. 19 Jan 1805) m. Sarah JEFFREY and Elizabeth
Emerson SHARPE
Parents: Richard Cole (b. 1764, Louisa Co, VA; d. 19 Nov 1840, PROBABLY
in Green Co, AL m. 19 Dec 1785
Sarah Sansum (b. abt 1766; d. 1809-1819)
Richard and family migrated with his brother William to Clarke Co, GA
between 1801 and 1805. Sometime between 1809 and 1819 he took his family to
Green Co, AL. Sarah died during the journey from GA to AL.
Info on William or any of his sibs would be appreciated!!!! Leah
Not brick walls, a good example of genuine "Lost Sheep"!
Sometimes the answer turns out to be that the person died, sometimes they
just moved away and lost touch. Until I know their fate, I treat them as
"Lost Sheep".
Sharon McAllister
COLE Listowner
73372.1745(a)compuserve.com
Message text written by INTERNET:COLE-L@rootsweb.com
>
Lucretia Brown Cole was married in 1837 to Jesse Cole in San Augustine
County, Texas. Jesse, Lucretia, and four children (Harriet, Sarah, Sam
H.and Anna) are on the 1850 census for Houston County Texas. In 1860,
Lucretia is gone and Jesse has remarried(1856). There are still Samuel
and Annie plus Jesse(10) and Adeline(7) that are Lucretia's children,
plus Mary and John that belong to the new wife Mary Jane. In 1870, all
the children can be found except Sam. Both he and his mother Lucretia
are lost sheep. I feel that Lucretia died either in the yellow fever
epidemic that was in Houston County Texas in the 1850's or in child
birth with Adeline, though no record of her death nor grave can be
found. But what happened to Samuel?
Two of my brick walls.
Linda
<
Of course conventional queries are always welcome here -- I only suggested
"Lost Sheep" postings because traffic has been light -- but PLEASE keep
your terminology straight. Our long-time members are familiar with both
terms and have certain expectations when they see one of them in a subject
line.
For our newer members, though:
A "Brick Wall" is an ancestor for whom someone can't find the information
needed to carry the line back another generation. Parents unknown. Often
birthplace and date unknown. We post our queries, in hopes that another
researcher has the information we haven't been able to find. Sometimes
we're lucky and another descendant or a researcher of a collateral line
really does have the answers we seek -- and we can break through that
"brick wall" to at least one more generation back in time. This type of
query has been the core of the list since its inception -- and I don't
expect that to change.
The "Lost Sheep" are the other side of the story. This is someone whose
ancestry you know a great deal about, but but have lost track of -- usually
in a collateral line. Such a posting essentially an OFFER of information
to anyone for whom that individual has become a "Brick Wall".
In my example, I gave Will COLE's birth date and place [1859 in KY], the
fact that he was known to have lived near Neodesha & Independence KS, the
names and birth dates of his known children, and his last known residence
[Oklahoma Co., OK in 1900]. Because his family apparently moved away and
lost touch with the rest of us, he could well be someone else's "Brick
Wall" -- but that should be enough to enable descendants to recognize him
and contact me for more information about his parents, grandparents, etc.
I have not only found "Lost Sheep" this way, but I've also been found
myself and benefited from muliti-generational breakthroughs. This type of
post can be VERY effective. The obvious, immediate benefit is to the
researcher whose mystery ancestor can now be identified with a known
family, but in the long run we all benefit from sorting out the various
branches of the family and accounting for as many downlines as possible.
So let's say your own line is fairly complete, but you have this
GGgrandaunt you lost track of when she married. If someone posted a query
about her, you might or might not recognize her depending on the amount of
information available -- but if you post what you know of her birthdate,
place, married name, etc., any of her descendants who are members of this
list or who later search through the archives will most likely recognize
her.
It's certainly worth a try!
Sharon McAllister
73372.1745(a)compuserve.com
I am not sure that Jesse Cole qualifies as a lost sheep, but I wish to
tell you his story. He was married and living in Hamilton County Texas
along the Leon River on about 160 acres of land when he suddenly moved
to Comanche County Texas. He did not buy land. He was living with
someone, we are not sure who, it was between census. Then in April of
1875, his body and the body of his stepson Tom Vinson were found on
Resley Creek in Comanche County, Texas. As soon as her husband was
killed, Jane Cole returned to the acreage by the river with her
children. Tom had an estate probated and in the papers it states that
they were killed by "person or persons unknown". What or who did they
know that got them killed? Resley Creek is a known area for vigilantes
killings. Why did they have to die?
Linda Bowden
Lucretia Brown Cole was married in 1837 to Jesse Cole in San Augustine
County, Texas. Jesse, Lucretia, and four children (Harriet, Sarah, Sam
H.and Anna) are on the 1850 census for Houston County Texas. In 1860,
Lucretia is gone and Jesse has remarried(1856). There are still Samuel
and Annie plus Jesse(10) and Adeline(7) that are Lucretia's children,
plus Mary and John that belong to the new wife Mary Jane. In 1870, all
the children can be found except Sam. Both he and his mother Lucretia
are lost sheep. I feel that Lucretia died either in the yellow fever
epidemic that was in Houston County Texas in the 1850's or in child
birth with Adeline, though no record of her death nor grave can be
found. But what happened to Samuel?
Two of my brick walls.
Linda
I am looking for documentation that ASA COLE born 1765 died 1823 in
Washington Co., Ohio married SUZANNAH COLE 12 Nov. 1787. I know that
ASA's father was JOHN COLE but need documentation. Also looking for
parents of SUZANNAH COLE, somewhere I found that her father was
STEPHEN COLE but can't remember where I found the information. These
are my brick walls.
Marjorie L. Wood
woodchuck(a)eurekanet.com
My "lost sheep" is John S. Cole. The following information was
copied out of "Sem-Centenarian of Butler, IL by Spilman) page 20.
When about 12 removed to Hamilton, Butler County, OH. After
residing there for two or three years he came to Montgomery
County, IL and lived upon the Seward Hill south of Butler. In about
seven years he returned to New Jersey and then to the state of
New York, he lived for about 26 years, when he returned to
Montgomery County. He located on a farm about three miles SW
of Butler. Married in Sussex County, NJ to Elisabeth Paddock who
died near Butler, Nov 13, 1876.
Children:
Emily born about 1832 Sussex NJ died Sussex NJ prior to 1850
Julie Ann born about 1833 Sussex NJ married Burrel PHILLIPS
Nancy Loucinda born about Feb 1834 married Joseph SERRETTE
Almeda born about 1838 married Charles SCHAPER
George
Clarence E. married Fannie ELLIS
Any help on the parents of John COLE greatly appreciated.
Leslie
Any information on his parents or any children would be
appreciated.
My "dead end" is Nelson Cole b: Nov 27, 1853 in NY. He married Rosa N. LaFountain(e) in Lapeer County, Michigan in 1878. They had 4 children, one of which died at birth. The others' names were Pheobe, Bertha, and Fred. Nelson died in 1936 in St. Clair County, Michigan. Of all the information that I have found, I have not found any sign of Nelson's parents or other siblings. Can anyone help me?
Dianne Norton
Lake Orion, MI
Whatever is worth doing at all is worth doing well.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nortondb/home.html
Looking for go through my "brick wall". Maybe some one can see a common
thread.
Daniel Cole married Elizabeth ?
Their Children
Wellington Cole b November 11, 1852 (My maternal great grandfather)
Anna Cole
Henry Cole
Jesse
William
Hannah
I believe he lived around Portland, Northmapton County, Pennsylvania all his
life. Know nothing about my Cole's other than name only. Appreciate any
information on any of the above.
Thanks
Donald Trayes
Winter Haven, FL
William COLE, usually called "Will" to distinguish him from other William
COLEs in the area, homesteaded in what later became Deep Fork Township,
Oklahoma Co., OK, when the Unassigned Lands were opened in 1889.
I know exactly where he lived: SE4 of 27-14-1W. For those of you who are
familiar with Oklahoma, this is about a mile east of Arcadia and the
original Route 66 curved south there to skirt the northern edge of his
place.
I know that he came from the Neodesha/Independence KS area, and his family
lived in Calloway Co. KY before that. In fact, I have lots of information
on his ancestors -- I've just lost Will and his descendants.
His family, as listed on the 1900 census:
1 Cole, William T. b: January 1859 in Kentucky d:
Unknown
.. +"Cole", Margaret M. b: June 1863 in Indiana d: Unknown
......... 2 Cole, Leona B. b: August 1885 in Kansas d:
Unknown
......... 2 Cole, George M. b: August 1886 in Kansas d:
Unknown
......... 2 Cole, Lela M. b: October 1891 in Oklahoma d:
Unknown
......... 2 Cole, Wilma D. b: August 1893 in Oklahoma d:
Unknown
......... 2 Cole, Irvin D. b: September 1896 in Oklahoma d:
Unknown
......... 2 Cole, Mayburn J. b: October 1898 in Oklahoma
d: Unknown
After 1900, I have only the oral tradition that the family moved to CA. If
think you recognize any of these people, let's compare notes.
Sharon McAllister
73372.1745(a)compuserve.com
While traffic is relatively light, I'm going to post some of our "Lost
Sheep" -- and invite you to do the same. Usually, we post queries about
ancestors & their siblings, trying to connect with others who are
researching the same lines.
This is the other side of the story. "Lost Sheep" are simply relatives and
members of allied families who seem to have disappeared. I can't even
recall when I first heard the term used in this way, but it struck my fancy
and I've used it ever since.
One of my "Lost Sheep" could turn out to be someone else's brick wall, and
by comparing notes we can solve a mystery.
Sharon McAllister
COLE Listowner
73372.1745(a)compuserve.com
Cordelia D. Cole was probably born in Huron Co., OH between 1817 and 1825 or
she may have been born in New York or Shaftsbury, VT, between 1802 and 1814.
My only knowledge of her comes from a letter (below) which I have in my
collection. A hired genealogist attempted to find the court record referred
to in the letter, but was $40-worth sidetracked by another family she wished
to research in the area [my $40!] and insisted I didn't spell "Cole" right.
The mystery, as I've explained before in this list, is that another Cordelia
D(yer) Cole, born at about the same time, shows up in Indianapolis at the
same time this letter is written. However, this second Cordelia is
definitely not the first, although she is a third cousin to the first.
I am going to retire just to find out what happened to Aunt Cordelia! -- if
no one else can tell me, that is.
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CORDELIA COLE'S LETTER TO HER BROTHER
The letter bore no stamp but instead was folded and sealed; a mark, 12 1/2,
on the outside served notice that postage was paid.
Similarly, the post office and date are hand written:
Feb. 20, East [illegible] O.
The letter is addressed:
Mr. Edward P Cole
Bronson Huron Co Ohio.
Austinburgh Ashtabula Feb 17 1834
Dear Brother I Suppose you have had the letter Mr Mills wrote. which will
tell you of the troubles I have mett with. I hope you will not fail of
comeing to Austinburgh to be at Court which is the 2'd Monday in April for I
mean to gow to Huron if I posibly can if my health is as good as it is now,
I should wish that you could be here as soon as you can come in April if you
can & bring Arvilla with you to accompany me
Cordelia D Cole
[P.S. to] Edward P Cole
I have not wrote but a few lines to you I have wrote to Arvilla I wish you
to get the letter to her as quick as you can & write to me as Soon as you
get this letter that I may know what to depend upon
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J. Timothy Cole (Tim)
timcole(a)colescorner.com
timcole1(a)home.com
http://www.colescorner.com
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My "brick wall" is William Cole. I am completely stumped. He could possibly
be from Tennessee or Kentucky. I'm not sure though. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
Jennifer West Brown
Nashville, TN
1 William COLE
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Father: ???
Spouse: ???
Children: William M (1869-1940)
John L
Benjamin
Charles
1.1 William M. COLE
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Birth: Jun 17, 1869
Death: Aug 1, 1940, Portland, Sumner Co. TN
Burial: Sherron Cemetery
Spouse: Martha Belle WHITE
Birth: Aug 15, 1869, Allen Co. KY
Death: Feb 14, 1949, Portland TN
Father: David Frank WHITE
Mother: Sarah Elizabeth KITCHENS
Children: Goodson Arthur (1891-1968)
Charles Paul (1906-1991)
Maydell
Oathen Douglas (1902-1970)
Patsy (1898-1946)
Sophia (1896-)
Alice (1898-)
Carrie
John William "Pete" (1887-1962)
I am interested in your OWENS family. I have
OWENS' and am unable to get any further back than 1838 when my
husbands great grandfather was born. His name was James W. OWENS, born
1838. He was married in Ashe County, North Carolina in August 6, 1856
to
Anne LEATH and from there came to Grayson County, Virginia where I find
him in the 1860 census living in Elk Creek, VA. with Anne and their
little son George Washington OWENS, age two.
On June 24, 1861 James enlisted in the Civil War. He is twenty-two
years old and is placed in Company K, 51st Virginia Infantry.
Interestingly enough, there are two other OWENS men that join the same
day, same place and are also in Co.K, 51st Virginia Infantry. Their
names were Jackson and George. I can't help but believe that they may
all be brothers, but I can't find a parent listed for any of them
anywhere. Jackson died in 1862 of typhoid fever in a prison camp and
James died (according to his wife on her application for a pension on
June 7, 1888) of either pneumonia or typhoid fever, in 1861. Family
stories say he died of gangrene caused by a bayonet wound to the
shoulder.
Any help or hints would be greatly appreciated. Am willing to share
what I have if we connect.
Gloria