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Surnames: Colclough Coakley
Classification: Query
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Hi Folks,
I have a copy of “The Colclough Family” by George Dewey Colclough, of Elon College, North Carolina. In this volume, there are two mentions (at least) of the pronunciation of the surname. The pages aren’t numbered, so I can’t give them to you. But here is what this work says:
[Begin quoting “The Colclough Family”]
[1.] I have also found that some of these people continue to pronounce it as Coakley - - which is the English pronunciation,. While others have given up the pronunciation of “Coakley” and call it “Col-clough”. In 1965, I wrote to Mr. Arthur L. Campbell of Los Angeles, who specializes in family names, and asked about the origin of the name Colclough and its correct pronunciation. He answered by letter giving the following information.
“COLCLOUGH (English) is derived from the Anglo-Saxon “col” (cool) and “cloh” (deep valley). The full meaning of the name, then, is “dweller in the cool deep valley.” By not sounding L in COLCLOUGH and giving the Anglo-Saxon pronuncation to its second element, it is easy to see how COLCLOUGH became, on an English tongue, COAKLEY….”
I have talked with those who pronounce “Colclough” as “Coakley” and with those who pronounce it “Col-clough.” I find it depends on the area of the country in which you are located. Some have told me that it was supposed to be pronounced “Coakley,” but rather than correct everyone who pronounced it, they went along with the American pronunciation.
[2.] This information came to me from Virginia. I was able to employ Mr. George H. S. King who does genealogical research to follow through on several leads and among this is the information he provided.
“We [evidently King, et al.] wrote to the Embassy of Ireland in Washington, D. C. and received the following information as well as other letters concerning the Irish branch of the Colclough family. The Colcloughs live in County Wexford which is in the southeastern part of Ireland."
Coakley may also be a phonetic rendering of the name Colclough which is so pronounced.
[End quoting “The Colclough Family”]
Cheers,
Gregg Bonner
Bethany, Oklahoma, USA
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Classification: Query
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So far to date since coming across this particular thread, I've come across, "col-cluff" "coke-lee" and "coke-low" with "col-cluff" being the more common pronunciation (well here in NZ anyway, and amongst the people I have spoken to).
Cheers
Jackie
Researching: "Col-cluff" of Co. Wexford, Ireland, and getting nowhere fast!
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Surnames: colclough
Classification: Query
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thanks to mick, and all of you, for your input on this surname. i studied phonology in school, and even so, it remains confusing. for example, in the word 'enough' the 'ough' ending, as you suggested, sounds like 'uff.' but if you think of the word 'through', the same letters sound like 'oo.' if you consider 'though' the sounds are produced like 'oh.' in a medial position, the 'ough' in thought, is pronounced like 'aw'...and so forth.
i didn't explain my reasoning for why i 'accepted' the reply that referred to the english china company, whose name with the same spelling sounds like 'coke-klee.' let me just say this...in all my studies of sound production and phonetics, this version seems, at first, like the least 'sensible' explanation on one hand, as the rules english speakers are taught don't follow this pattern. but your point about irish speakers, is i think, a good one. i'm not irish and have never visited the country, which puts making such a call difficult, at best.
another thing is that families can in ways dictate the pronounciation of their own surnames...a case in point: many families in the area where my grandparents came from are named 'mc crary' which to me sounds like mik-kraree. but, everyone of them and all their friends and family, call them muh-kwary. in studying speech dialects and regional variations, i have come to realize that they consider themselves muh-kwaries and now, even though it sounds like defective sound production every time i hear it coming out of my mouth, i call them 'muh-kwary' as well.
the researcher who said to find a family member and ask them was on target here, and i was kind of kidding when i said i hoped to live long enough to do just that. if anyone knows a colclough, it would probably help us all to hear how their own families have chosen to pronounce the surname.
thanks again. really do appreciate the input.
deb allen
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tend to agree with you Jacki. From what I know of surname pronunciations, the English version would be "Col-Cluff". This could of course depend on what area in England. 'ough' is quite often pronounced 'uff'. As for the Irish and how they quite often pronounce names and the English for that matter, I cannot see how it could come out as "Coakley". There must be more to this name than meets the eye. I don't envy anyone with the name as my name Fitzsimons nearly always gets another 'm' put in it and sometimes a 'd' near the end. These variations generally mean that the ancestry, religion and pronunciation are changed.
I look forward to more comments on this name, as it would make tracing ancestry a nightmare, especially when you take into account the different pronunciations and the way it could be written down.
Good luck all.
Mick
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Surnames: COLCOUGH, FROMMELL
Classification: Marriage
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Am not related but may be of interest to someone who is. I have no further info but you may find similar extracts from more old newspapers at URL:
<http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/index.php>
Vern D
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Transcribed by Betty <betty(a)unisette.com>
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The Evening Bee
Sacramento, Cal.
Monday, April 9, 1906
Page 6
Marriage and Divorce Record
IN YOLO COUNTY
WOODLAND (Yolo Co.), April 7 - A marriage license was issued last week to Ralph Miller COLCOUGH, age 22, and Pearl E. FROMMELL, age 18, both of Broderick.