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Hi everyone,
Looking to gain/share info with anyone researching this particular
branch of the COLCLOUGH family. Searching for parents of John COLCLOUGH
and Emma BADDELEY in the Alsagers Bank / Audley areas.
Regards..................debi, British Columbia, Canada
Descendants of John Colclough
Generation No. 1
1. JOHN1 COLCLOUGH was born Abt. 1805 in Alsagers Bank, Staffordshire,
England. He married EMMA BADDELEY January 02, 1833 in Audley,
Stoke-on-Trent, Stafford, England. She was born Abt. 1813 in Audley,
Staffordshire, England.
More About JOHN COLCLOUGH:
Occupation: 1851, Farmer of 80 acres
Children of JOHN COLCLOUGH and EMMA BADDELEY are:
2. i. JOHN2 COLCLOUGH, b. Abt. 1833, Audley, Staffordshire, England.
3. ii. SARAH COLCLOUGH, b. Abt. 1836, Audley, Staffordshire, England.
iii. WILLIAM COLCLOUGH, b. Abt. 1840, Audley, Staffordshire, England.
More About WILLIAM COLCLOUGH:
Occupation: 1861, Farmer
iv. THOMAS COLCLOUGH, b. Abt. 1842, Audley, Staffordshire, England.
More About THOMAS COLCLOUGH:
Occupation: 1861, Boat Builder
v. ALBERT COLCLOUGH, b. Abt. 1843, Audley, Staffordshire, England.
More About ALBERT COLCLOUGH:
Occupation: 1861, Boat Builder
4. vi. ELIZABETH EMMA COLCLOUGH, b. Abt. 1847, Audley,
Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England.
vii. MARY COLCLOUGH, b. Abt. 1848, Audley, Staffordshire, England.
viii. JOSEPH COLCLOUGH, b. Abt. 1850, Audley, Staffordshire, England.
ix. GEORGE H. COLCLOUGH, b. Abt. 1854, Audley, Staffordshire,
England.
x. EMMA COLCLOUGH, b. Abt. 1856, Audley, Staffordshire, England.
Dear Cousins:
Hopefully by "posting" and sharing some of the things I have to the list instead of keeping the information to myself............... it can be of use to some of you. If you do not want me to put this information on the list then please feel free to let me know or if you would like to have other information let me at this address.
MsHamilton(a)kih.net I am afraid that genealogy research is not an exact science and by sharing fact and sometimes speculation it sometimes helps. I am afraid many times all of us have not always documented where a source came from or even what courthouse it came from after many years of lying "tucked" away in a file cabinet...
I believe that for those of us who are not planning a "book" or any sort of "publication" we are on these list to learn and share with each other......because we are interested in our forefathers and mother's....... We may perceive things differently....like is it possible for a female to give birth at age 12 or 50 or even later........and I as a female would say a simple "yes" and for a man to father a child.......at age 80 and beyond if his health is good I would say a "simple" yes.
I am not saying that this is the case in our Colclough family but it is "not" impossible.
I "invite" (once again) anyone who has proof of your ancestors please share with us....on the list....if you are not sure that what you post is true just let us know after all is left up to us to look the records up but don't let the fact that someone might say they do not believe something you post is off on its' dates, etc put you off......just keep looking for proof.
I would urge each of you who have information to post it.....who knows maybe someone else will be helped or can help you.
Below are some tid-bits of the volumes I have accumulated over the years and I sincerely that it is news and help to someone else.
Your Kentucky (Bluegrass State) Cousin,
Marsha
Fauquier County marriage and deeds with the name spelled: Colcouth, Coleclough, Colclough
Fauquier County Marriage:
Henry Foote/Margaret Colclough
Marriage Bond Date: 3/29/1760
Bondsman: daughter of William Colclough; Witness: John Colclough
Fauquier Deeds:
25-26 August 1762. Lease & release. Between William Colcough and Mary, his wife, ... Planter ... aand Samuel Thornbury of Parish of St. Paul, Stafford Co., planter ... £250 ... 386 acres in Fauquier .. in line of Robert Carter, Esq. ... Corner to lands of Robert Barber ... Spanish oak on a branch called the walnut branch ... Signed: William Colclough, Mary (X) Colclough. Recorded: 26 August 1762, aclmowledged by grantors.
26 August 1762. Bond from William Colclough and Mary, his wife, to Samuel Thornbury in sum of £500. Signed William Colclough. Recorded: 26 August 1762, ack. by Wm. Colclough.
I AM REALLY INTESTED IN THIS WILLIAM DURHAM SO IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION PLEASE CONTACT ME~~
30-31 March 1767. Lease & release. Between William Durham, of Bute CO., NC and Caleb Smith, of Pr. Wm. Cco. ... 75 acres ... being part of a greater tract patented my William Hackney ... conveyed by him to John Calfee and by him sold to William Colclouth and by him conveyed to Durham ... rec. in Pr. Wm. Co. ... forner to Wm. Colcough ... Carters line ... ccorner of James Green ... £20. SIgned: William Durham WItness: Fortunatus Legg, George Reeve, John Reeve, James Wyat. Recorded 25 May 1767, proved by oath of George and John Reeves; 22 June, by oath of James Wyat.
24 November 1777. B & S Between Joseph Smith and Leanna, his wife, and Benjamin Neale of Pr. Wm. Co. ... £110 ...75 acres ... Carter's line, now Heale's .. Corner of James Genn ... corner formerly belong to William Coleclough.
Signed: Joseph SMith, Leanna (X) Smith Recorded: 24 Nov. 1777, acknowledged by grantors.
All information came from the Fauquier County courthouse, written by John K. Gott
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MacCaochlaoich
MacKeighley
Colclough
Coakley
In some parts of Ireland it is common to use Irish names with English translations as well as their equivalents on an interchangeable basis.
In the sixteenth century, the ancestors (their English names are unknown as of this writing) of the family of Colclough migrated to Ireland from Staffordshire in England. Coakley, is the English phonetic rendering of Colclough, which is the usual modern form of the fine old West Cork surname of MacKeighley, originally MacCaochlaoich in Irish.
According to "Burke's Irish Family Records", Colclough begins with Richard of Blueton Staffs living in 1367; he is said to be the ancestor of Thomas Colclough. The early descent of the family is to be found in Visns of Staffs in 1583, of County Wexford in 1618, of City of Land in 1634 and in the registrars of the Genealogical Office in Dublin Castle.
Sir Anthony Colclough, Kt. (1582), of Tintern Abbey, County Wexford (which was granted to him and his heirs in fee by Patent, 27 August 1575, following expiry of the lease held by Sir James Crofts), went to Ireland 1540". During the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries they were very prominent in the county and although newcomers compared with the earlier Anglo-Normans and faithful servants to the crown under Elizabeth I, they were classed as "old English" and no less than 14 Colcloughs suffered under the Williamite confiscation as "Irish Papists". Occasionally, however, one was found on the other side, as for example Captain Thomas Coakley who was rewarded in 1656 for his activity in "apprehending" tories. Several of them held important offices in Counties Wexford and Kilkenny in the reign of James II and 2 at least were officers in his army. John Colclough (born 1769), a Catholic landlord, was hanged, on Wexford Bridge for his leading part in the Insurrection of 1798. Caes!
ar Colclough (1766-1824), son of Sir Vesey Colclough of Tintern Abbey and M.P. for Wexford, was in France at the time of the French Revolution which he supported; another distinguished himself while serving with the Irish Brigade at Fontenoy. The family was still in possession of the 13,000 acre Tintern Abbey at the end of the last century.
Cheers to ya'll
> MacCaochlaoich
> MacKeighley
> Colclough
> Coakley
>
> In some parts of Ireland it is common to use Irish names with English
translations as well
as their equivalents on an interchangeable basis.
>
> In the sixteenth century, the ancestors (their English names are unknown as
of this
writing) of the family of Colclough migrated to Ireland from Staffordshire in
England.
Coakley, is the English phonetic rendering of Colclough, which is the usual
modern form of
the fine old West Cork surname of MacKeighley, originally MacCaochlaoich in
Irish.
----------------------------------
The Virginia and Ohio groups used COAKLEY. Some families in Ritchie County and
Lewis County Virginia, now West Virginia spelled it as COKELEY. I haven't tied
in to any of y'all yet, but am a descendant of a BENJAMIN COLCLOUGH through a
son JEREMIAH COLCLOUGH/COAKLEY/COKELEY. Further speculation would be futile at
this point.
JOHN COKELEY FOSTER
b. Parkersburg WV, now living in Austin
TX
Hi Folks,
Generally, I try to have proof that a line *IS* correct before I accept it.
I generally don't accept a line just because I cannot *disprove* it
unambiguously. I realize now that others have different views on this issue
as well. I think I would like to see the proof that the line *is* correct as
much as you would like to see my "proof" that it isn't.
Cheers,
Gregg
But, if you have "documents" that "prove" otherwise or that
Mrs. Wulfeck was wrong.... I and others would be happy to have you post
them here to support your theroy.
Cheers to all!
Marsha
Kentucky........Margaret Colclough's descendant
I suppose we agree to disagree about the age for people to conceive children
and for the age that men can become a father. My mother was born to my
mother at the age of 49 and her brother became a father at age 78.......we
see children today unfortunately having babies at 12 and 13 yrs old.
As for Mrs. Wulfeck's sources.....I would repeat this was the work that I
have of hers......and I have not taken the time to research her
source.......But, if you have "documents" that "prove" otherwise or that
Mrs. Wulfeck was wrong.... I and others would be happy to have you post them
here to support your theroy.
Cheers to all!
Marsha
Kentucky........Margaret Colclough's descendant
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonner, Gregg" <gbonner(a)smhrimsx.mhri.med.umich.edu>
To: <COLCLOUGH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: [COLCLOUGH] Re: Colclough, Durham of Va to Carolina's to KY and
TN
> Hello Marsha and List,
>
> Yes, I am aware that you were just forwarding the information as you found
> it, and since my post was a reply to yours, I think readers would have
seen
> that from your original post. It is not my intention to bash anybody, or
> anything like that. It is just my intention to try to get the information
> correct for those persons who may be searching for COLCLOUGH information.
>
> As far as the possibilities and probabilities of having children at
various
> ages, a woman having a child at age 50+ really is far-fetched. I agree
that
> it is not impossible, but less than one in 10 million childbirths that
lead
> to maturity will be borne to mothers aged 48 or greater, let alone 50.
> Similarly, less than one in 10 million births will be borne to fathers
aged
> 70+, let alone 80+. But there are other possibilities, for example, the
> mother could have been 30, then the next generation the father could have
> been 100. Or maybe the mother was 70, then the next generation the father
> was 60. But somehow, you must bridge a minimum gap of a whopping 144 years
> from the birth of Maria (WARNER) Johnson Colclough in 1525 to the birth of
> Benjamin Colclough in 1669, and you only have one intervening generation;
to
> make Maria the grandmother of Benjamin. I will let the interested parties
> make the determination on the probability of that. I am just saying that
my
> personal feeling is the probability of that is almost exactly zero. Since
> Maria died in 1583, that establishes the bound at the latest interval. The
> marriage of 1561 establishes the former. Most genealogists estimate Robert
> Colclough's birth to be circa 1565, 4 years after the marriage, and when
> Maria was 40. The means Robert would have had to have been 104 years old
at
> the birth of Benjamin.
>
> But to say it another way, I have not seen the material of DOROTHY FORD
> WULFECK, Genealogy Editor for "The Virginia Gazette" dated April 27, 1956.
> Can you tell me what she cited as her source for saying Robert Colclough
was
> the father of Benjamin and John? After all, even this publication would
have
> been some 300 years after-the-fact. Is this material found in a
'Visitation'
> or some similar extant contemporaneous source?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gregg
>
> I am not sure if you are referring to my post on Rootsweb.com
> but.........in
> the event your email below is in response to it......I would like to add
> that this was being posted and the credit given to "DOROTHY FORD
> WULFECK"
> Genealogy Editor for "The Virginia Gazette" dated April 27, 1956 in
> Williamsburg, VA which should have been quite clear to the reader.
>
> Time does not premit me at this moment to give much of a response to
> your
> email to the list below but........for those women who have reached 50
> yrs
> old ........it is not far fetched to have become a mother at that age
> and
> ............80 might have been pretty old for the father but "not"
> impossible........as some of our 80 yr old men might attest
> to........and I
> am not sure there were not babies born to 12 yr old females at this
> time..........but..........I am not saying that Mrs. Wulfeck is right or
> wrong.......and I am not saying Greg Bonner is right or wrong the
> information was posted just as it was printed in the year 1956 by Mrs.
> Wulfeck.
>
> If she were or is still living.......perhaps additional information
> might be
> deemed from her research on this matter as Genealogy Editor of the
> Virginia
> Gazette.
>
> Cheers! to all
> Marsha........Margaret Colclough's descendant...pronounced here in
> Kentucky
> as Co-Clay
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gbonner(a)umich.edu>
> To: <COLCLOUGH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:38 PM
> Subject: [COLCLOUGH] Re: Colclough, Durham of Va to Carolina's to KY and
> TN
>
>
> > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
> >
> > Surnames: COLCLOUGH
> > Classification: Query
> >
> > Message Board URL:
> >
> > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jVJ.2ACIB/6.10.43.1.1.1.1.1
> >
> > Message Board Post:
> >
> > This line is really not possible. John Colclough and Benjamin
> Colclough of
> Stafford County, Virginia were born circa 1660s. Matthew Colclough's
> wife,
> Maria Warner, was previously married to Otwell Johnson and had children
> born
> in the late 1540s. So even if she were incredibly young when those
> JOHNSON
> kids were born (i.e., she was 12 years old), AND she were quite old at
> the
> birth of Robert (let's say 50), then Robert Colclough would STILL have
> been
> born no later than about 1585. Even this nearly impossible scenario
> would
> STILL require Robert to be some 80+ years old at the birth of his "sons"
> Benjamin and John. This is so unlikely that I believe it can be
> discounted
> as a possibility.
> >
> > I believe most of the rest is in error also. George Colclough is said
> to
> have "left no trace of any children". Yet there is a deed from George
> Colclough where he leaves "for the natural love and affection" item to
> his
> "daughter Elizabeth".
> >
> > I think there is a strong tendency to make people more closely related
> than they really are. If two men share a (especially uncommon) surname,
> and
> are of the same age, and in the same area at the same time, then they
> must
> be brothers, or at least 1st cousins, right? Wrong. George Colclough and
> Benjamin Colclough could have just as easily been 5th or 8th cousins. I
> renew my request for any source material that shows otherwise. There has
> been no demonstration of the European connection of the early Stafford
> County COLCLOUGHs, and all those that I have seen are guesses, and this
> Benjamin-is-the-grandson-of-Matthew is an especially bad guess.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gregg
> >
> > MATTHEW COLCLOUGH, the other brother and our American line married 1st
> KATHERINE DALTON and had 2 children JOHN and KATHERINE. He married 2nd:
> _________BENNETT and had ANTHONY COLCLOUGH. He married the 3rd time to:
> MARY WARNER of London and had ROBERT and RICHARD.
> >
> > George Colough, who came to America in 1652, married twice but left no
> trace of any children. He was Chief Justice of Northampton Co., VA in
> 1660
> to 1667, dying in 1667. He had 2 brothers who were LONDON merchants and
> ship owners. From 1645 to 1665 they operated a line of 11 ships
> trading
> with the U.S. Their names were JAMES and THOMAS COLCLOUGH. They did not
> have a family in America.
> >
> > ROBERT COLCLOUGH the first son, of MATTHEW and 3rd wife MARY WARNER
> had 2
> more sons but only 2 sons came to America, VIX: JOHN an BENJAMIN
> COLCLOUGH.
> First recorded in America was in STAFFORD CO., VA 1700 having 2 small
> childred, CHARLES and ANN COLCLOUGH and I do not have any record of
> these 2
> after their mothers death.
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== COLCLOUGH Mailing List ====
> > GenConnect boards: Queries, Bible records, Deeds, Biographies, Obits,
> Pensions, Wills. Access list archives, search engines at the Colclough
> Resource page: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/c/o/COLCLOUGH/
> >
> >
> > ==============================
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> records,
> go to:
> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
> >
>
>
>
> ==== COLCLOUGH Mailing List ====
> GenConnect boards: Queries, Bible records, Deeds, Biographies, Obits,
> Pensions, Wills. Access list archives, search engines at the Colclough
> Resource page: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/c/o/COLCLOUGH/
>
>
> ==============================
> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy
> records, go to:
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>
>
> ==== COLCLOUGH Mailing List ====
> GenConnect boards: Queries, Bible records, Deeds, Biographies, Obits,
Pensions, Wills. Access list archives, search engines at the Colclough
Resource page: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/c/o/COLCLOUGH/
>
>
> ==============================
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go to:
> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
>
>
Hello Marsha and List,
Yes, I am aware that you were just forwarding the information as you found
it, and since my post was a reply to yours, I think readers would have seen
that from your original post. It is not my intention to bash anybody, or
anything like that. It is just my intention to try to get the information
correct for those persons who may be searching for COLCLOUGH information.
As far as the possibilities and probabilities of having children at various
ages, a woman having a child at age 50+ really is far-fetched. I agree that
it is not impossible, but less than one in 10 million childbirths that lead
to maturity will be borne to mothers aged 48 or greater, let alone 50.
Similarly, less than one in 10 million births will be borne to fathers aged
70+, let alone 80+. But there are other possibilities, for example, the
mother could have been 30, then the next generation the father could have
been 100. Or maybe the mother was 70, then the next generation the father
was 60. But somehow, you must bridge a minimum gap of a whopping 144 years
from the birth of Maria (WARNER) Johnson Colclough in 1525 to the birth of
Benjamin Colclough in 1669, and you only have one intervening generation; to
make Maria the grandmother of Benjamin. I will let the interested parties
make the determination on the probability of that. I am just saying that my
personal feeling is the probability of that is almost exactly zero. Since
Maria died in 1583, that establishes the bound at the latest interval. The
marriage of 1561 establishes the former. Most genealogists estimate Robert
Colclough's birth to be circa 1565, 4 years after the marriage, and when
Maria was 40. The means Robert would have had to have been 104 years old at
the birth of Benjamin.
But to say it another way, I have not seen the material of DOROTHY FORD
WULFECK, Genealogy Editor for "The Virginia Gazette" dated April 27, 1956.
Can you tell me what she cited as her source for saying Robert Colclough was
the father of Benjamin and John? After all, even this publication would have
been some 300 years after-the-fact. Is this material found in a 'Visitation'
or some similar extant contemporaneous source?
Cheers,
Gregg
I am not sure if you are referring to my post on Rootsweb.com
but.........in
the event your email below is in response to it......I would like to add
that this was being posted and the credit given to "DOROTHY FORD
WULFECK"
Genealogy Editor for "The Virginia Gazette" dated April 27, 1956 in
Williamsburg, VA which should have been quite clear to the reader.
Time does not premit me at this moment to give much of a response to
your
email to the list below but........for those women who have reached 50
yrs
old ........it is not far fetched to have become a mother at that age
and
............80 might have been pretty old for the father but "not"
impossible........as some of our 80 yr old men might attest
to........and I
am not sure there were not babies born to 12 yr old females at this
time..........but..........I am not saying that Mrs. Wulfeck is right or
wrong.......and I am not saying Greg Bonner is right or wrong the
information was posted just as it was printed in the year 1956 by Mrs.
Wulfeck.
If she were or is still living.......perhaps additional information
might be
deemed from her research on this matter as Genealogy Editor of the
Virginia
Gazette.
Cheers! to all
Marsha........Margaret Colclough's descendant...pronounced here in
Kentucky
as Co-Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: <gbonner(a)umich.edu>
To: <COLCLOUGH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:38 PM
Subject: [COLCLOUGH] Re: Colclough, Durham of Va to Carolina's to KY and
TN
> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
>
> Surnames: COLCLOUGH
> Classification: Query
>
> Message Board URL:
>
> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jVJ.2ACIB/6.10.43.1.1.1.1.1
>
> Message Board Post:
>
> This line is really not possible. John Colclough and Benjamin
Colclough of
Stafford County, Virginia were born circa 1660s. Matthew Colclough's
wife,
Maria Warner, was previously married to Otwell Johnson and had children
born
in the late 1540s. So even if she were incredibly young when those
JOHNSON
kids were born (i.e., she was 12 years old), AND she were quite old at
the
birth of Robert (let's say 50), then Robert Colclough would STILL have
been
born no later than about 1585. Even this nearly impossible scenario
would
STILL require Robert to be some 80+ years old at the birth of his "sons"
Benjamin and John. This is so unlikely that I believe it can be
discounted
as a possibility.
>
> I believe most of the rest is in error also. George Colclough is said
to
have "left no trace of any children". Yet there is a deed from George
Colclough where he leaves "for the natural love and affection" item to
his
"daughter Elizabeth".
>
> I think there is a strong tendency to make people more closely related
than they really are. If two men share a (especially uncommon) surname,
and
are of the same age, and in the same area at the same time, then they
must
be brothers, or at least 1st cousins, right? Wrong. George Colclough and
Benjamin Colclough could have just as easily been 5th or 8th cousins. I
renew my request for any source material that shows otherwise. There has
been no demonstration of the European connection of the early Stafford
County COLCLOUGHs, and all those that I have seen are guesses, and this
Benjamin-is-the-grandson-of-Matthew is an especially bad guess.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gregg
>
> MATTHEW COLCLOUGH, the other brother and our American line married 1st
KATHERINE DALTON and had 2 children JOHN and KATHERINE. He married 2nd:
_________BENNETT and had ANTHONY COLCLOUGH. He married the 3rd time to:
MARY WARNER of London and had ROBERT and RICHARD.
>
> George Colough, who came to America in 1652, married twice but left no
trace of any children. He was Chief Justice of Northampton Co., VA in
1660
to 1667, dying in 1667. He had 2 brothers who were LONDON merchants and
ship owners. From 1645 to 1665 they operated a line of 11 ships
trading
with the U.S. Their names were JAMES and THOMAS COLCLOUGH. They did not
have a family in America.
>
> ROBERT COLCLOUGH the first son, of MATTHEW and 3rd wife MARY WARNER
had 2
more sons but only 2 sons came to America, VIX: JOHN an BENJAMIN
COLCLOUGH.
First recorded in America was in STAFFORD CO., VA 1700 having 2 small
childred, CHARLES and ANN COLCLOUGH and I do not have any record of
these 2
after their mothers death.
>
>
>
> ==== COLCLOUGH Mailing List ====
> GenConnect boards: Queries, Bible records, Deeds, Biographies, Obits,
Pensions, Wills. Access list archives, search engines at the Colclough
Resource page: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/c/o/COLCLOUGH/
>
>
> ==============================
> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy
records,
go to:
> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
>
==== COLCLOUGH Mailing List ====
GenConnect boards: Queries, Bible records, Deeds, Biographies, Obits,
Pensions, Wills. Access list archives, search engines at the Colclough
Resource page: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/c/o/COLCLOUGH/
==============================
To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy
records, go to:
http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
I am not sure if you are referring to my post on Rootsweb.com but.........in
the event your email below is in response to it......I would like to add
that this was being posted and the credit given to "DOROTHY FORD WULFECK"
Genealogy Editor for "The Virginia Gazette" dated April 27, 1956 in
Williamsburg, VA which should have been quite clear to the reader.
Time does not premit me at this moment to give much of a response to your
email to the list below but........for those women who have reached 50 yrs
old ........it is not far fetched to have become a mother at that age and
............80 might have been pretty old for the father but "not"
impossible........as some of our 80 yr old men might attest to........and I
am not sure there were not babies born to 12 yr old females at this
time..........but..........I am not saying that Mrs. Wulfeck is right or
wrong.......and I am not saying Greg Bonner is right or wrong the
information was posted just as it was printed in the year 1956 by Mrs.
Wulfeck.
If she were or is still living.......perhaps additional information might be
deemed from her research on this matter as Genealogy Editor of the Virginia
Gazette.
Cheers! to all
Marsha........Margaret Colclough's descendant...pronounced here in Kentucky
as Co-Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: <gbonner(a)umich.edu>
To: <COLCLOUGH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:38 PM
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> This line is really not possible. John Colclough and Benjamin Colclough of
Stafford County, Virginia were born circa 1660s. Matthew Colclough's wife,
Maria Warner, was previously married to Otwell Johnson and had children born
in the late 1540s. So even if she were incredibly young when those JOHNSON
kids were born (i.e., she was 12 years old), AND she were quite old at the
birth of Robert (let's say 50), then Robert Colclough would STILL have been
born no later than about 1585. Even this nearly impossible scenario would
STILL require Robert to be some 80+ years old at the birth of his "sons"
Benjamin and John. This is so unlikely that I believe it can be discounted
as a possibility.
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> I believe most of the rest is in error also. George Colclough is said to
have "left no trace of any children". Yet there is a deed from George
Colclough where he leaves "for the natural love and affection" item to his
"daughter Elizabeth".
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> I think there is a strong tendency to make people more closely related
than they really are. If two men share a (especially uncommon) surname, and
are of the same age, and in the same area at the same time, then they must
be brothers, or at least 1st cousins, right? Wrong. George Colclough and
Benjamin Colclough could have just as easily been 5th or 8th cousins. I
renew my request for any source material that shows otherwise. There has
been no demonstration of the European connection of the early Stafford
County COLCLOUGHs, and all those that I have seen are guesses, and this
Benjamin-is-the-grandson-of-Matthew is an especially bad guess.
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> Cheers,
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> Gregg
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> MATTHEW COLCLOUGH, the other brother and our American line married 1st
KATHERINE DALTON and had 2 children JOHN and KATHERINE. He married 2nd:
_________BENNETT and had ANTHONY COLCLOUGH. He married the 3rd time to:
MARY WARNER of London and had ROBERT and RICHARD.
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> George Colough, who came to America in 1652, married twice but left no
trace of any children. He was Chief Justice of Northampton Co., VA in 1660
to 1667, dying in 1667. He had 2 brothers who were LONDON merchants and
ship owners. From 1645 to 1665 they operated a line of 11 ships trading
with the U.S. Their names were JAMES and THOMAS COLCLOUGH. They did not
have a family in America.
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> ROBERT COLCLOUGH the first son, of MATTHEW and 3rd wife MARY WARNER had 2
more sons but only 2 sons came to America, VIX: JOHN an BENJAMIN COLCLOUGH.
First recorded in America was in STAFFORD CO., VA 1700 having 2 small
childred, CHARLES and ANN COLCLOUGH and I do not have any record of these 2
after their mothers death.
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I am not sure if you are referring to my post on Rootsweb.com but.........in
the event your email below is in response to it......I would like to add
that this was being posted and the credit given to "DOROTHY FORD WULFECK"
Genealogy Editor for "The Virginia Gazette" dated April 27, 1956 in
Williamsburg, VA which should have been quite clear to the reader.
Time does not premit me at this moment to give much of a response to your
email to the list below but........for those women who have reached 50 yrs
old ........it is not far fetched to have become a mother at that age and
...........80 might have been pretty old for the father but "not"
impossible........as some of our 80 yr old men might attest to........and I
am not sure there were not babies born to 12 yr old females at this
time..........but..........I am not saying that Mrs. Wulfeck is right or
wrong.......and I am not saying Greg Bonner is right or wrong the
information was posted just as it was printed in the year 1956 by Mrs.
Wulfeck.
If she were or is still living.......perhaps additional information might be
deemed from her research on this matter as Genealogy Editor of the Virginia
Gazette.
Cheers! to all
Marsha........Margaret Colclough's descendant...pronounced here in Kentucky
as Co-Clay
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Subject: [COLCLOUGH] Re: Colclough, Durham of Va to Carolina's to KY and TN
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> This line is really not possible. John Colclough and Benjamin Colclough of
Stafford County, Virginia were born circa 1660s. Matthew Colclough's wife,
Maria Warner, was previously married to Otwell Johnson and had children born
in the late 1540s. So even if she were incredibly young when those JOHNSON
kids were born (i.e., she was 12 years old), AND she were quite old at the
birth of Robert (let's say 50), then Robert Colclough would STILL have been
born no later than about 1585. Even this nearly impossible scenario would
STILL require Robert to be some 80+ years old at the birth of his "sons"
Benjamin and John. This is so unlikely that I believe it can be discounted
as a possibility.
>
> I believe most of the rest is in error also. George Colclough is said to
have "left no trace of any children". Yet there is a deed from George
Colclough where he leaves "for the natural love and affection" item to his
"daughter Elizabeth".
>
> I think there is a strong tendency to make people more closely related
than they really are. If two men share a (especially uncommon) surname, and
are of the same age, and in the same area at the same time, then they must
be brothers, or at least 1st cousins, right? Wrong. George Colclough and
Benjamin Colclough could have just as easily been 5th or 8th cousins. I
renew my request for any source material that shows otherwise. There has
been no demonstration of the European connection of the early Stafford
County COLCLOUGHs, and all those that I have seen are guesses, and this
Benjamin-is-the-grandson-of-Matthew is an especially bad guess.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gregg
>
> MATTHEW COLCLOUGH, the other brother and our American line married 1st
KATHERINE DALTON and had 2 children JOHN and KATHERINE. He married 2nd:
_________BENNETT and had ANTHONY COLCLOUGH. He married the 3rd time to:
MARY WARNER of London and had ROBERT and RICHARD.
>
> George Colough, who came to America in 1652, married twice but left no
trace of any children. He was Chief Justice of Northampton Co., VA in 1660
to 1667, dying in 1667. He had 2 brothers who were LONDON merchants and
ship owners. From 1645 to 1665 they operated a line of 11 ships trading
with the U.S. Their names were JAMES and THOMAS COLCLOUGH. They did not
have a family in America.
>
> ROBERT COLCLOUGH the first son, of MATTHEW and 3rd wife MARY WARNER had 2
more sons but only 2 sons came to America, VIX: JOHN an BENJAMIN COLCLOUGH.
First recorded in America was in STAFFORD CO., VA 1700 having 2 small
childred, CHARLES and ANN COLCLOUGH and I do not have any record of these 2
after their mothers death.
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This line is really not possible. John Colclough and Benjamin Colclough of Stafford County, Virginia were born circa 1660s. Matthew Colclough's wife, Maria Warner, was previously married to Otwell Johnson and had children born in the late 1540s. So even if she were incredibly young when those JOHNSON kids were born (i.e., she was 12 years old), AND she were quite old at the birth of Robert (let's say 50), then Robert Colclough would STILL have been born no later than about 1585. Even this nearly impossible scenario would STILL require Robert to be some 80+ years old at the birth of his "sons" Benjamin and John. This is so unlikely that I believe it can be discounted as a possibility.
I believe most of the rest is in error also. George Colclough is said to have "left no trace of any children". Yet there is a deed from George Colclough where he leaves "for the natural love and affection" item to his "daughter Elizabeth".
I think there is a strong tendency to make people more closely related than they really are. If two men share a (especially uncommon) surname, and are of the same age, and in the same area at the same time, then they must be brothers, or at least 1st cousins, right? Wrong. George Colclough and Benjamin Colclough could have just as easily been 5th or 8th cousins. I renew my request for any source material that shows otherwise. There has been no demonstration of the European connection of the early Stafford County COLCLOUGHs, and all those that I have seen are guesses, and this Benjamin-is-the-grandson-of-Matthew is an especially bad guess.
Cheers,
Gregg
MATTHEW COLCLOUGH, the other brother and our American line married 1st KATHERINE DALTON and had 2 children JOHN and KATHERINE. He married 2nd: _________BENNETT and had ANTHONY COLCLOUGH. He married the 3rd time to: MARY WARNER of London and had ROBERT and RICHARD.
George Colough, who came to America in 1652, married twice but left no trace of any children. He was Chief Justice of Northampton Co., VA in 1660 to 1667, dying in 1667. He had 2 brothers who were LONDON merchants and ship owners. From 1645 to 1665 they operated a line of 11 ships trading with the U.S. Their names were JAMES and THOMAS COLCLOUGH. They did not have a family in America.
ROBERT COLCLOUGH the first son, of MATTHEW and 3rd wife MARY WARNER had 2 more sons but only 2 sons came to America, VIX: JOHN an BENJAMIN COLCLOUGH. First recorded in America was in STAFFORD CO., VA 1700 having 2 small childred, CHARLES and ANN COLCLOUGH and I do not have any record of these 2 after their mothers death.
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I am researching these families. I have attached some material here in the hope that someone might have additional information you would be willing to share.
I am at MsHamilton(a)kih.net if you are interested in sharing
Marsha........I really hope this is news or help to someone who needed it.....
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The Virginia Gazette, Williamsburg VA dated April 27, 1956
Genealogy by Dorothy Ford Wulfeck, Genealogy Editor:
Question # 2162: Want answer of William Colclough of Fauquier Co., VA, who signed marriage bond of his daughter, Margaret to Henry Foote, Mary 29, 1760 A.E. Portland, Ore.
"I am a descendant of Wm Colclough, although I do not know if he is the William for whom you search. Mr. George Colcough of Elon College, NC, has sent me quite a lot of data complied by the late John Ernest Colclough of SC. He was from Penfield, GA and his sister, Miss Estelle still lived there. I have written to her but she doesn't answer any of my letters. They have been working on the COLCLOUGH'S for many years and here is what they have found."
"They have wills, deeds, births, marriages of the COLCLOUGH family of Stafford Co., VA then to Warren Co., NC and to TALIAFERRO Co. GA 1808 and family BIBLE to 1942. My branch of the family is the one from Warren Co., NC.
1652 GEORGE COLCLOUGH was the first of the name to appear in America. He settled in Northumberland Co., VA; married URSULA BYSHE (a widow); second wife, Elizabeth OVERSEE, a widow with several children.
Major GEORGE COLCLOUGH was a member of the HOUSE OF BURGESSES, also a Chief Justice of Lancaster Co., VA died 1666.
Colonial History of Virginia, Vol. 18, pg 47: THOMAS COLCLOUGH took charge of GEORGE COLCLOUGH
Estate and disposed of Deed given by Thomas Colclough of land located in Northumberland Co., CA starting in Stafford Co., England, prior to 1650 MATTHEW COLCLOUGH and his brother, ANTHONY COLCLOUGH left Stafford Co., as ANTHONY COLCLOUGH was granted by QUEEN, ELIZABETH's Estate in Wexford, Ireland.
MATTHEW COLCLOUGH, the other brother and our American line married 1st KATHERINE DALTON and had 2 children JOHN and KATHERINE. He married 2nd: _________BENNETT and had ANTHONY COLCLOUGH. He married the 3rd time to: MARY WARNER of London and had ROBERT and RICHARD.
George Colough, who came to America in 1652, married twice but left no trace of any children. He was Chief Justice of Northampton Co., VA in 1660 to 1667, dying in 1667. He had 2 brothers who were LONDON merchants and ship owners. From 1645 to 1665 they operated a line of 11 ships trading with the U.S. Their names were JAMES and THOMAS COLCLOUGH. They did not have a family in America.
ROBERT COLCLOUGH the first son, of MATTHEW and 3rd wife MARY WARNER had 2 more sons but only 2 sons came to America, VIX: JOHN an BENJAMIN COLCLOUGH. First recorded in America was in STAFFORD CO., VA 1700 having 2 small childred, CHARLES and ANN COLCLOUGH and I do not have any record of these 2 after their mothers death.
BENJAMIN COLCLOUGH brother of JOHN, married RACHAEL_______. He died 1722, she died in 1748, leaving a "Will" devising to a large family. I mention here her 2 sons ROBERT & WILLIAM COLCLOUGH
She gave farm stores and other, property to Robert in FAIRFAX CO., VA who settled there and lived there until abt. 1765 then moved to GRANVILLE CO., NC near OXFORD and had a large family there.
WILLIAM COLCLOUGH, brother of ROBERT and son of BENJAMIN, and RACHAEL COLCLOUGH, moved to PRINCE WILLIAM CO., VA after 1748, the death of his mother, RACHAEL and lived there until 1762 or 1765, moving at that time to WARREN CO., NC. He had a large family: JOHN b 1743 died 1803 married LUCY ________' ALEXANDER b 1749 died 1820 SC. RICE (has no record) MARGARET married HENRY SHEARON (may have been her 2nd husband.) Jean married ________Mosley; Mary never married and died 1794; Ann married ________Mitchell; Francis married ______; Bethland married ___ Baker; Elizabeth married William Shearon. William Colclough b 1707 d 1783 in Warren Co. NC married Mary Rodgers.
There is a will record about 1652 ENGLAND, one JOHN COLCLOUGH, devised to Josh Wedgewood pottery business in Endland. MATTHEW COLCLOUGH, was an artist in "painting china" and was the originator of BILLINGSLY ROSE and PHEASANT designs on China.
Mrs. Malcolm Tarver, living in Washington D.C. in 1942 says" COLCLOUGH china was used at the largest reception given by QUEEN of ENGLAND when they visted Washington several years ago.
I hope that this WILLIAM b 1707 d 1783 is the one you seek. He had a daughter, Margaret and she may have married a FOOTE and then a SHEARON. MY ancestor administered her estate in WARREN CO., NC
The girls were obviously older than the boys as their father was born in 1707 (KATHLEEN SHEARON WILKERSON) P. O. Box 3187, Port Neches, Texas to whom we extend thanks for this very extended lineage.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is what I have from "The Register of Saint Paul's Parish 1715-1798"By George Harrison Sanford King Fellow, American Society of Genealogists Fredericksburg, VA
Born: William and Alexander, sons of Benjamin and Rachel Colclough, July 2, 1717
Died: Sarah, daughter of Benjamin and Rachel Colclough, March 17, 1719/1720
Md: Hester Colclough and Joel Stribling, September 25, 1723,
Md: Rachel Colclough and Thomas Bowling, November 11, 1729.
Died: Alexander Colclough, November 10, 1739
Md: Jane Colclough of this Parish and Benjamin Newton of Hamilton Parish, October 22, 1740
Md: William Colclough and Mary Rogers, December 30, 1741
Born: John, son of William and Mary Colclough, September 14, 1743
Born: Margaret, daughter of William and Mary Colclough, February 4, 1744/45.
Born: Elizabeth, daughter of William and Mary Colclough, October 11, 1747
Died: Rachel Colclough, December 25, 1748.
Double dates are due to calender change.
Because of boundy changes the first three score years the records in the Register of Saint Paul's Parish pertain mostly to residents of Stafford County; for the last score mostly to reseidents of King George County, thus the court records of both counties must be constulted by anyone attempting to trace families domiciled in Saint Paul's Parish. The Westmoreland County court records are oftentimes helpful
Notes of Beth Sloan:
>From Virginia County Court Record, Stafford County, VA Will Book 12 July-1748-July Court 1767
(Pp 35-38) In the name of God Amen I RACHAEL COLCLOUGH of Stafford & Saint Paul's Parish being sick in boy but of perfect sence...ordain this my last Will & Testament in manner following..Imprimis I commit my soul into the hands of Almighty God..My wordily Estate I dispose of in following manner. Item I give my land in Fairfax County to be equally divided between my sons ROBERT COLCLOUGH & WILLIAM COLCLOUGH..their heirs.. Robert to have his part joining to his land where he now lives and William to the remainder. Item I give WILLIAM COLCLOUGH one Negro named Nell-Negro Philip, Kate, the bed that I lay on. Item I give unto my daughter Eliza Bowling the use of one Negro until (her) death & after I give said Negro Will to her son John Bowling. Item I give to my Daughter MARY THORNBURY the use of one Negro boy named Jack..Moo..until her death & after to her children. Item I give unto ELIZA BOWLING the use of one negro woman named Sall for five years & if..should not have an!
y children..to go to ALEN BOWLING & his brother SIM BOWLING. Item I give unto my Daughter Mary Thornbury's Daughter Sarah Kidwell one feather bed bolster sheets blankets & rugs that was her Grandfathers and one young cow. RACHAEL BOWLING the feather bed & furniture that belonged to it whereon her children lays on & Six head of cattle & all my hogs & six barrells of Indian Corn. Item I give unto my Daughter Mary Thornbury's son William Kidwell one young cow & the money Capt ANTHONY THORNTON owes and being Seven pounds ten shillings. Item I give unto my daughter JANE NEWTON the use of one Negro man named James and one Negro Girl named Rose..till the death of Jane Newton and after her death, to her children. Item I give unto my Daughter MARGT. DERHAM use of Negro boy named Jain for five years and after the five years to go to Elizabeth Bowling and said Elizabeth to have the use for five years and then give to ALEXANDER the son of Robert Colclough. Item I give unto my Daug!
hter Mary THORNBURY the remained of my cattle after Rachael Bowling Junr. and PRISCILLA BOWLING has a heiffer apiece. Item I give to my daughter MARGARET DURHAM the use of Negro boy named Harry until her death..to her children. Item I give unto WILLIAM COLCLOUGH the Land where I now dwell. Item I give unto my daughter Margaret Durham the use of Negro names Sall after five years to be with Eliza. Bowling then to Margt. Derham till her death and after..to her children. Item my will is that five of the best of my Pewter Dishes and one dozen of Pewter plates be equally divided between my Daughters Mary Thornbury, Rachael Bowling and Jane Newton. Item I give one gray mair called Fanny to Will. Colclough and the first fole she brings to Jane Newton. Item I give unto Rachael Bowling one bay horse called Spark. Item My will is that my son WILLIAM return the bed which I lent him formerly to my negro women Nell at my Death and the said Nell to have the two Iron Pots & hooks whi!
ch she has in her quater with her & such beding & bed clothes to go with her. Item I give unto Robert and William's Children all my money in the house in Majr. John Champe's hand to be Equally between the said children. Item my will is after the debts are paid my crop of Tobo be equally divided between Daughters Mary, Rachael, Elizabeth, Jane and Margret...Item I give unto my Grand Daughter JANE DE BELL one Negro boy named Anthony... Item my will is the sd Negro be in are of my Daughter Rachael..while said Jane DeBell comes of age or married and if she dies without heir to return to WILLIAM COLCLOUGH. Item I give unto JANE NEWTON all the feathers in the house & a new bed & bolster & a new pair of sheets and a new quilt which is now in the house & the remainder of the furniture to be paid for out of the crop. Item I give unto RACHAEL BOWLING all the rest of my Estate and Item I do appoint my sons ROBERT COLCLOUGH, WILLIAM COLCLOUGH AND SAML. THORNBURY executors of this m!
y Last Will and Testament...this 19th day December in 1748.
Presence John Stone Rachael Colclough
Willm. Conway.
At a Court held for Stafford County Feb the 14, 1748 Last Will & Testament of Rachael Colclough deced..presented into Court..Executors..they performing what is usual in such cases, certificate is granted for obtaining a Probate in due form..ordered to be recorded.
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MARGARET COLCLOUGH, b. February 04, 1744/45, St, John's Parish Stafford Co., VA; d. After March 1818/19 Warren Co., NC; m (1) HENRY ALEXANDER FOOTE, May 29, 1760, Fauquier Co., VA; b April 11, 1738, Stafford Co., VA: d December 09, 1775, Bute Co., NC; m (2) HENRY SHEARIN, Abt 1777; b Abt. 1755, Granville County, NC; d November 25, 1781, Warren Co., NC; m. (3) PHILLIP BUFORD, aft 1781; b Abt 1740.
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what was your grandmother's husbands name? was she a Colclough by marriage ?
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I am also looking fpr Colclough of Sumter county, near Dazel. My grandmother was a Colcough. I am looking for her family. Her name was Adeline. I am not sure about the spelling.