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I am looking for any info anyone might have about Sabrina COLCLOUGH father Thomas COLCLOUGH somewhere in wolstanton area of staff....please reply to linda.fewtrell(a)ntlworld.com as I rarely visit this site..
thanks
linda
Hi Listers,
As some of you may know, I am trying to compile a list of ALL the
descendants of Benjamin Colclough and his wife Rachel (of St. Paul's Parish,
then Stafford County, Virginia). As such, I have tried to find records for
the children of Sarah Colclough, who is said to have married John Kidwell.
After having looked at some of the records available online, I have noticed
a number of things which lead me to seriously doubt that Sarah, the wife of
John Kidwell, is the same person as Sarah, the daughter of Benjamin and
Rachel. I hope that someone will correct me where I am in error.
Firstly, I note from the "St. Paul's Parish Register (1715-1798)", as given
by John Bailey Calvert Nicklin, page 14:
"B[orn]. Sarah, dau. of Benjamin and Rachel Colclough, Mar. 17, 1719/20".
So it is this Sarah who is said to have married John Kidwell. I can find
online lists of their children which is generally approximated by the
following, more or less:
Jonathan Kidwell, b. 20 SEP 1750
Elijah Kidwell, b. 1751
Elizabeth Kidwell, b. 1753
Joshua Kidwell, b. 15 JUL 1757
Elisha Kidwell, b. 1758
Rebecca Kidwell, b. 1762
Charles Kidwell, b. 1765
John Kidwell, b. 17 MAR 1765
Marshall Parker Kidwell, b. 1768
Josiah Kidwell, b. 1775
The first troubling thing is that there is a son Jonathan AND a son John.
This would be a little unusual. But the principle troubling aspect of this
is that it requires Sarah to give birth to a child at the age of 55 or so.
This would also be a little unusual. I have not seen how these Kidwell birth
dates are determined, and so I don't know how wide the approximation net is
thrown. I would like to see how Josiah Kidwell's birth date is arrived in
particular for this reason.
Another troubling facet is that there seems to be two distinct sets of
Kidwell records. Another group of researchers represent the Kidwell children
this way:
Jonathan Kidwell, b. 20 SEP 1750
Vinson Kidwell, b. 1751
Thomas Kidwell, b. 1753
Stephen Kidwell, b. 1755
James Kidwell, b. 1756
So you see that, with the exception of Jonathan Kidwell, born 20 SEP 1750,
there is no overlap. So the second set suffers neither of the liabilities of
the first. And if the dates are approximately correct, then it is difficult
to "pool" the two groups.
So it seems to me that there are two separate families. On the one hand
there is John Kidwell of Maryland, who married a Sarah Calcough (which may
or may not be identical in nature to "Colclough", and may or may not be
related somehow to Benjamin Colclough), ALSO of Maryland. This family had
the children as described in the 2nd group above. The other family is of
another John Kidwell, who married a Sarah (maiden name unknown), and had all
the children given in the first set, except for Jonathan (and there may be
further errors upon that).
But let's presume for the moment that I am wrong on all counts, and John
Kidwell's wife WAS born a Sarah Colclough. It would still be puzzling why
Rachel, in her Will, named all her daughters EXCEPT Sarah. Why would Rachel
do that?
My conclusion, and I request input from all readers, is that Rachel's
daughter Sarah was already dead in 1748 when the Will was written. And the
only reason people link Sarah, the wife of John Kidwell, to Benjamin and
Rachel is because one of the John Kidwells married a woman of similar name
(Calcough vs. Colclough), the daughter of Benjamin is almost the right age
to fit one of the Kidwell families (1720 birth versus the required 1730, or
thereabouts), Sarah Colclough's sister (Mary) coincidentally married a
Kidwell, and most importantly, the Will of Rachel is misunderstood to take
Sarah Kidwell, the daughter of Mary (Colclough) Debell Kidwell Thornbury to
be a daughter of Rachel, rather than a grand daughter of Rachel via daughter
Mary.
So to distill it to a simple question - what shows that Sarah, the wife of
any John Kidwell, is the same person as Sarah, the daughter of Benjamin and
Rachel, considering Sarah is NOT mentioned in Rachel's Will? And then, of
course, the other question - how did Sarah manage to have a child at age 55
in the 1700s?
Cheers,
Gregg
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner
Thanks, this helps us to better understand the correct pronounciation of
the name. My family in TN pronounces it kok lee without the first l
because it was left off from the 1900 Oconee County GA Census to the 1910
Oconee County GA Census. My family in DC pronounces if Cock law. I
forwarded on your original transcription they will have it.
Shahid Raki
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Say, that was interesting to know. It gives those of us who weren't sure
the better or correct way of pronouncing the name. Thanks for sharing.
Shahid
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Hi List,
I live in Stoke on Trent - lots of COLCLOUGH'S here, we pronounce it
Col-cluff.
Cheers,
Pam
Fenton
Stoke on Trent
England
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Hi List and Dorene
The way we pronounce the name is Col- Cloud
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Hi everybody
My Dad was born in Staffordshire but moved to Canada and we always called ourselves Col-cluff and even some Colclough's (nor related) in B.C. say Col-cluff.
Joan
now on Vancouver Island
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Marsha asks: "I would love to know how to pronounce the name Colclough...is it Col........log? "
There a many variations of how to pronounce Colclough. My grandfather, who was born in Scotland, pronounced it "Cole clo". I have heard it pronounced "Cole cloth" (English version)
Any other variations out there?
Dorene Colclough
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I really don't KNOW anything about any of these people. About the time www.familysearch.org came online, I just plugged in everything I found there. So I built this massive tree which went back to the 1200s or so on a lot of different lines. Then I kept running across clearly impossible things, and thought to myself, "Man, I must have 'typoed' this information". I had thought that anyone who spent the time adding the material to the ancestral file would be pretty sure of the information. I have since learned that this is not the case at all. There is some great information in there, and then there is some dubious stuff. So now I am just trying to prove every generation using extant, but what would have been at least approximately contemporaneous material that was not biased. Not much of this survives from the 1600s and prior, except for Parish Records in some cases, and a few good depositions of various kinds.
I like the citation of sources which claim things, partly for the weight they add, but also so I can backtrack, but also so that I can find origins of errors. I don't know how many times I have seen claim "X", in citation "Y", and then when I go and find "Y" to see what it used as a citation, I find that it does not even address the question of what it is later used as a citation to substantiate. In many cases, a quote will be given from a source, but the person making the quote gives no indication as to what was the original and what they added as parenthetical commentary. There are famous cases of this in Boddie.
So as to the question at hand (for me) - who is the father of Benjamin Colclough (the husband of Rachel)? I see most people claim John, but it seems to me that this is done only as a process of elimination. There are too many confounding factors in cases like this. Imagine a case where John is the uncle of Benjamin. Then, if someone turned up a document demonstrating their immigration, where it gave their names adjacent on the manifest, and with ages appropriate, I feel certain that this would be used as 'proof' of parentage of Benjamin.
So I await the evidence of the parentage of Benjamin, as I have been now for some time. And in the meantime, I eliminate the horrifying elements I still find in my own database from time to time.
Cheers,
Gregg
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Gregg,
I have to agree with you on Ancestry.com postings etc. I try to use what I find there to do my own research. I am from the line of Robert and Rachael Colclough. I do have the name Wood for Rachael and I will try and find my source. I have researched in courthouses in Kentucky, Virginia and the Carolina's for 25 years and I do try to be accurate with my information. I have some very old documents and it may be that I have misread the name Wood so I would like for those of you that have read my posting to take that name as something to try and prove or disprove.
Rachael Colcough's "will" gives to my ancestor Margaret Durham a negro for "use" for 5 years and after 5 years to the Boy to go to Elizabeth Bowling. It names son's Robert, and WIlliam to recieve land in Fairfax Co., VA
There is some very interesting material on the Colclough family from the "The Virginia Gazette, Williamsburg, Va dated April 27, 1956 that I have copied and will pass along to anyone interested.
I would love to know how to pronounce the name Colclough...is it Col........log?
Thanks
Marsha
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Hi Kelly,
It is the Colcloughs of Virginia that I am talking about. Benjamin Colclough and his wife Rachel are my ancestors (the St. Paul's Parish Register includes entries for the birth of William Colclough, son of Benjamin and Rachel, and the marriage of William to Mary Roger(s), and the birth of Elizabeth, child of William and Mary - I descend from Elizabeth), and so I am interested in knowing who Benjamin's parents are. I don't know if the lines of Virginia are confused with those of Ireland or not. I was just citing Boddie as you had done, and pointing out that I thought it was curious that you would cite Boddie on the one hand, and then completely dispense with what Boddie said about the ancestry of Benjamin on the other. And I don't know whether Caesar had a son George or not - again, I am just citing Boddie too.
As far as Mary Rivett et al. being shown on family trees on Ancestry.com, I would say that anything posted there would have been posted a few hundred years after-the-fact. I would be happy if you could point me to any one of them which included any evidence.
I am still curious about this Robert Colclough, born about 1615. Can you please tell me what demonstrates the existence of a Robert Colclough born about 1615?
Cheers,
Gregg
Dear Gregg, Marsha and list,
Interesting when looking at the COLCLOUGH to COAKLEY or COAKLEY to COCLOUGH
possibilities is weighing in others of similiar diversities being the same
lineage such as my family group out of 1500s Wales > England > New England >
Virginia/Maryland with MEURIG/MEURIC > MEYRICK > MERRICK > MYRICK and the
pronunciations of same varying from << mur-rig > mur-rik > may-rik > mer-rik >
mi-rik >> in addition to similar situations with names out of Walesand other
Celtic countries especially.
Sincerely,
Bellinda Myrick - Barnett
In a message dated 8/15/2002 5:50:16 AM Central Daylight Time,
gbonner(a)umich.edu writes:
> Hi Marsha,
>
> I can not speak to your main question, but I am curious about your comment,
> "Can anyone shed light on a COAKLEY-COLCLOUGH as being used as the same
> surname. They are not even pronounced the same even slightly."
>
> You must be talking to different Colcloughs than I am. From the few that
> maintain the Colclough name that I have asked, FAR FROM being pronounced
> not even slightly like Coakley, they pronounce it INDISTINGUISHABLY like
> Coakley, unless I can not properly pronounce Coakley either. How it is said
> in Ireland, I have no idea, could be entirely different. I would be happy
> to hear from people on the board and the mailing list this gateways to
> about it. There must be some Colcloughs who will read this, some perhaps in
> Ireland. Anybody want to weigh in?
>
> I would say in America there is plenty of evidence that Colclough is
> pronounced at least in cases like Coakly, as mentioned above, but also
> because you can find plenty of descendants of the Colclough family down
> maternal lines who named their sons Coakly, Cokely, Coakley, etc., like
> Coakley Williams, etc. Less convincing arguments include entries in the St.
> Paul's Parish Register (where my Colcloughs were from) such as the marriage
> of James Cockley, who I have taken (perhaps erroneously) to be part of the
> Colclough family somehow.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gregg
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Perhaps you are confusing two very different lines of the Colclough family. I am referring to the Colclough's of Stafford County, VIRGINIA, not the Colclough's of Ireland.
Caesar Colclough's parents, Dudley Colclough and Mary Barnewall, were married in NOV 1691 in Beggstown, Ireland and they continued to live in Ireland after that. They, Dudley and Mary, did have a son named JOHN, but he was not the SAME John Colclough who I am referring to here, i.e., John Colclough of STAFFORD COUNTY, VA. Additionally, Colonel Caesar Colclough, son of Dudley Colclough, was born in 1694 in Ireland and he is not known to have had a son named George.
Regarding Mary Rivett, she is listed as the wife of John Colclough, and as the mother of Benjamin Colclough (and John Jr.) on at least 25 different family trees available on Ancestry.com. Mary Rivett is listed as the daughter of Jonah Rivett and his wife Mary.
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Hi Marsha,
I can not speak to your main question, but I am curious about your comment, "Can anyone shed light on a COAKLEY-COLCLOUGH as being used as the same surname. They are not even pronounced the same even slightly."
You must be talking to different Colcloughs than I am. From the few that maintain the Colclough name that I have asked, FAR FROM being pronounced not even slightly like Coakley, they pronounce it INDISTINGUISHABLY like Coakley, unless I can not properly pronounce Coakley either. How it is said in Ireland, I have no idea, could be entirely different. I would be happy to hear from people on the board and the mailing list this gateways to about it. There must be some Colcloughs who will read this, some perhaps in Ireland. Anybody want to weigh in?
I would say in America there is plenty of evidence that Colclough is pronounced at least in cases like Coakly, as mentioned above, but also because you can find plenty of descendants of the Colclough family down maternal lines who named their sons Coakly, Cokely, Coakley, etc., like Coakley Williams, etc. Less convincing arguments include entries in the St. Paul's Parish Register (where my Colcloughs were from) such as the marriage of James Cockley, who I have taken (perhaps erroneously) to be part of the Colclough family somehow.
Cheers,
Gregg
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Hi Kelly,
I am also curious as to how the name WOOD was determined. Further, I am curious to know about some of the things in your post. How do you know that Benjamin Colclough is the son of John Colclough? How do you know John's wife's name was Rivett? Also, you cite Boddie, but Boddie says that John Colclough was a brother of Major George Colclough, and that George was a son of Sir Caesar Colclough. You say that John Colclough died prior to 1701, but Boddie seems to indicate that it can not be determined whether it was John Colclough, or _his_ son John whose inventory was filed in Stafford in 1702. Can you tell me how you determined that it was John I who died about 1701?
I agree that it is hard to make Benjamin Colclough the son (or even grandson) of a Robert Colclough, but I believe your post must be confusing Roberts. You have Robert Colclough born about 1615, which makes him the right age to father a John Colclough born about 1641, but I do not see how this could be the Robert Colclough who was the son of Matthew Colclough and Maria Warner. Maria Warner was old enough to have had children with her previous husband (Otwell Johnson) in the late 1540s. This fixes her birth at 1532 or so at the latest, and probably more like 1525. She married Matthew Colclough about 1561, so certainly she wasn't having children in 1615. Their son Robert was born more like 1565. This Robert is said to have married Anne Dulme and Susannah Griffith, and with the latter is said to have had a son Robert born in 1637/8. I think this is even too few generations to link to Matthew, since that would make Robert I father children in his 70s.
So it seems the simplest way to make the links work is to say that there is a middle Robert Colclough, born about 1590 or so, and who fathered Samuel, perhaps 2 Marys, Robert, and maybe a Ralph. In any case, there is no evidence for any of this.
So that brings me back - even if I were to believe John is the father of Benjamin (and that seems okay to me), who could have been the father of John who was named Robert? I have already expressed doubt about one fathering children in his 70s, but I just don't find a Robert Colclough born 1615. Can you tell me where you found a Robert Colclough born 1615, and how you determined his birth year? Was it a baptism record?
Until I can see some pretty persuasive evidence, I still see no reason to not look to George Colclough (who m. Ursula Bysshe). I know many will claim he had no children. How this can be determined, I have no idea, especially in light of a deed which says "out of natural love and affection I have for [...] the daughter of George Colclough". He died in 1662 or so, and should be old enough. And he was previously married, so who knows?
Cheers,
Gregg
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Pardon my saying so, but I believe you may have skipped a generation here. I show that Benjamin Colclough (b. before 1669), the husband of Rachel (maiden name unknown....I too would like to know where you came across her maiden name as WOOD) was the son of JOHN COLCLOUGH and his wife Mary RIVETT. John Colclough was born about 1641 in London, England and he died sometime prior to 1701 in Stafford County, Virginia.
John Colclough was the first Colclough in Stafford County, Virginia. He received a land grant to 200 acres of land on the southwest side of Quantico Creek on November 10, 1665. The Quantico Creek flows into the Potomac River, between Triangle and Dumfriez. This land that he owned was located in St. Paul's Parish, in what is now Prince William County, VA. John was a trader and a farmer, and in 1654 he was listed as one of the owners of vessels in the "Virginia Trade". He transported four persons to get his Stafford County, Virginia, land, and those four individuals were: Thomas Crouch, Ann Seats, Mary Baker, and Ann Elizabeth Watkins. The Colclough family lived as neighbors to the family of William Fitzhugh. (Source: Hannah Colclough's Will, 1700-1701 from the Virginia Historical Genealogies by Boddie)
It was JOHN COLCLOUGH who was the son of Robert Colclough (b. abt. 1615), and the grandson of Matthew Colclough and Mary Warner, at least according to what little information I have. So, Robert would have been the grandfather of Benjamin Colclough.
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Anthony, do you have your mother & fathers name, also grandparents on the Colclough side, and better still gt. grandparents. Look forward to hearing from you.
Jackie
In a message dated 8/8/2002 6:04:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
pjleather(a)sympatico.ca writes:
> Subj:Re: [COLCLOUGH] 1600s/1700s Virginia/(Col.) Augustine MOORE and
> associated families
> Date:8/8/2002 6:04:54 AM Central Daylight Time
> From:<A HREF="mailto:pjleather@sympatico.ca">pjleather(a)sympatico.ca</A>
> Reply-to:<A HREF="mailto:COLCLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com">COLCLOUGH-L(a)rootsweb.com</A>
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> Sent from the Internet
>
>
>
> we do have a this name that I hilighted
Hi,
Thanks for writing but, unfortunately, the highlighting didn't come through
so I am not sure which name you are referring to.
Bellinda
we do have a this name that I hilighted
BandB4951(a)aol.com wrote:
> Re: MOORE, SMITH, TALIAFERRO, GRYMES, CATLETT, UNDERWOOD, SALLIS, DONIPHAN,
> PARTRIDGE, COLCLOUGH, WILLSON/WILSON, RANSDELL, KELLY, JENNINGS, WILLOUGHBY,
> PAYNE, ROBINSON, JORDAN/JORDANE/JORDUN, ALLERTON, BREWSTER,
> MERRICK/MYRICK/MEYRICK/MEURIG/MEURIC, PIERCE, EARLE, HOLBROOK,
> WILCOXSON/WILLCOCKSON, BENNETT, RUST
>
> Esecially searching for information on descendants of:
>
> (Colonel) Augustine MOORE and Lucy SMITH
>
> In 1600s and 1700s Virginia and specifically in the year 1715 in Virginia:
>
> Robert TALIAFERRO married to Sarah GRYMES, daughter of (Reverend) Charles
> GRYMES, of "Brandon," then of Gloucester and later Middlesex County,
> Virginia. Robert TALIAFERRO and (Major) Lawrence SMITH, (friends and business
> associates,) were the fathers of John TALIAFERRO and Sarah SMITH who married.
>
>
> MOORE HOUSE which, at one time, belonged to (Major) Lawrence SMITH, and at
> this time was owned and occupied by his great granddaughter, Lucy SMITH, who
> married (Colonel) Augustine MOORE.
>
> I am interested in whether anyone on these lists happens to know the names of
> all of the children of Lucy SMITH and (Colonel) Augustine MOORE, who occupied
> after MOORE HOUSE the previous home of (Major) Lawrence SMITH. There is also
> a relationship with this family group and that of (Captain) John CATLETT and
> Elizabeth UNDERWOOD and their daughter, Sarah CATLETT, who married a younger
> Robert TALIAFERRO and after the death of the younger Robert TALIAFERRO his
> wife, Mrs. Sarah CATLETT TALIAFERRO married her 2nd husband, Samuel(l)
> SALLIS, and then after the death of Samuel(l) SALLIS, Mrs. Sarah CATLETT
> TALIAFERRO SALLIS married 3rd husband, Samuel(l) SHORT.
>
> Mrs. Sarah CATLETT TALIAFERRO SALLIS and Samuel(l) SALLIS were the parents of
> Sarah SALLIS who married Alexander "Alex" DONIPHAN, Jr., (son of (Captain)
> Alexander DONIPHAN, Sr., born: abt. 1640 in Plymouth, Devonshire, England,
> and his 1st wife, Amie PARTRIDGE, and after the death of Amie PARTRIDGE,
> (Captain) Alexander DONIPHAN, Sr. married his 2nd wife, Margaret MOTT(E,) and
> after the death of Margaret MOTT(E,) (Captain) Alexander DONIPHAN, Sr.
> married his 3rd wife, Susannah ?
>
> Amie PARTRIDGE was the sister of Samuel PARTRIDGE, Sarah PARTRIDGE, Mary
> PARTRIDGE and Elizabeth PARTRIDGE. And the siblings married into the
> COLCLOUGH and WILLSON/WILSON families among others. It is thought quite
> possible that this set of siblings who were all immigrants are the children
> or somehow related to the immigrant George PARTRIDGE who immigrated in the
> early to mid-1600s from England to New England while these PARTRIDGEs are
> found in Virginia after living or at least in court records in London,
> England.
>
> The aforementioned Alexander "Alex" DONIPHAN, Jr. was the brother of Amy
> DONIPHAN, born: abt. 1662 in Virginia, who married 1st husband, (Captain)
> John KELLY, born: abt. 1660 in Virginia, (son of Penelope ? and Matthew (1)
> KELLY.) After the death of (Captain) John KELLY, Mrs. Amy DONIPHAN KELLY
> married her 2nd husband, Edward RANSDELL.
>
> Amy DONIPHAN and (Captain) John KELLY were the parents of several children
> including Matthew (2) KELLY, Alexander Doniphan KELLY, and Ann KELLY, born:
> abt. 1696 in Virginia, probably Richmond County, Virginia, died: 1735 in
> Richmond County, Virginia, who married William JENNINGS, Sr., born: abt.
> 1695 in Virginia, died: 1733/34 in Richmond County, Virginia, who was the
> brother of Augustine JENNINGS, born: abt. 1702 in Richmond County, Virginia
> who was left as a guardian of two of the children who were orphans of Ann
> KELLY and husband, William JENNINGS, Jr., after their death in the early to
> mid-30's.
>
> William JENNINGS, Jr. was the son of William JENNINGS, Sr., born: abt. 1668
> in Rappahannock County, Virginia, and his wife, Mary WILLOUGHBY, born: abt.
> 1670 in ?, (still trying to find the names of her parents. It is believed
> that she descends from (Sir) Ambrose WILLOUGHBY whose descendant (Sir) Thomas
> WILLOUGHBY was the father of Elizabeth WILLOUGHBY who married Isaac ALLERTON,
> Jr., (son of Isaac ALLERTON, Sr. and Fear BREWSTER, (daughter of William
> BREWSTER, all of England to New England in the early 1600s with Isaac
> ALLERTON, Jr. then migrating to Westmoreland County, Virginia where John
> PAYNE, immigrant, born: abt. 1615 in Yorkshire, England, lived and was
> buried after his death in Maryland during the Maryland Protestant Revolution
> when he was murdered and then buried at "Red House"/"Cedar Hill,"
> Westmoreland County, Virginia. John PAYNE was the grandfather of the
> aforementioned William JENNINGS, Sr., son of John JENNINGS, Jr., born: May
> 22, 1640 in St. Martin's Parish, Birmingham, Worcester County, Virginia, and
> his wife, Margaret PAYNE, (daughter of John PAYNE and his wife,
> Margaret/Margrett whom is believed to have been the Margaret ROBINSON who was
> the daughter of Richard ROBINSON who immigrated in the early 1600s from
> England into the Tidewater area of Virginia which was later Norfolk area and
> this Richard ROBINSON is either the uncle or great uncle of immigrant,
> Christopher ROBINSON. In addition some of the family of (Colonel) Augustine
> MOORE married into the ROBINSON family.
>
> The aforementioned Augustine JENNINGS became the guardian of his brother
> William's children, Calathan JENNINGS and Edward Salley JENNINGS, Sr., born:
> 1720 in Richmond County, Virginia, (my paternal 5th great grandfather,) who
> married a woman named Sarah MOORE whom we believe was born in about 1720 and
> probably in Virginia and maybe in the Richmond County area. We have no idea
> about the names of the parents nor the siblings of Sarah MOORE but after just
> recently finding out about the very close proximity of the family group of
> (Colonel) Augustine MOORE and his family's marrying into my JENNINGS - KELLY
> - DONIPHAN - PARTRIDGE family group of the aforementioned Edward Salley
> JENNINGS who married Sarah MOORE I am very inclined now to believe that it is
> from within this family group of MOOREs that my Sarah MOORE also descends.
>
> Alexander Doniphan KELLY and brother, Matthew (2) KELLY, brothers of Mrs. Ann
> KELLY JENNINGS, also became guardians of Ann and William, Jr.'s other
> children, Martha JENNINGS, and William JENNINGS, III and John JENNINGS.
>
> In addition, I have also found connected to (Colonel) Augustine MOORE the
> name of Francis JORDANE/JORDUN and it might bring other connections as there
> is a William JORDAN who was mentioned in the will of Mrs. Ann KELLY JENNINGS.
> And, in addition, Edward Salley JENNINGS, Sr. and Sarah MOORE's son, John
> JENNINGS, Sr., (RS,) born: abt. 1748 in Richmond County, Virginia, married a
> woman named Rachel JORDAN, born: abt. 1750, possibly in Virginia, for whom
> we also still search for her parents names as well. I believe that she is
> most likely related to this William JORDAN and, possibly, to the the Francis
> JORDAN/JORDUN, aka JORDAN. And it is believed that this Rachel JORDAN is,
> most likely, descended from JORDANs who were of the JORDAN'S JOURNEY group of
> JORDAN family at Jamestown, Virginia where connecting family groups had
> family members who died in the Massacre of 1622.
>
> There are so many connections including the PIERCE and BENNETT families
> involved in the Massacre of 1622 that I descend from in maternal lineage and
> the PIERCE and BENNETT families that I am also researching from my paternal
> 4th great grandfather, Hugh PIERCE, born: abt. 1749 in Frederick County,
> Virginia, and whatever connections he may have to immigrant, Abraham PIERCE,
> in the 1600s in New England, and connections that exist there with the
> MERRICK/MYRICK/MEYRICK/MEURIC/MEURIG family out of Wales into New England
> that I descend from through Virginia branches that were also in New England
> and are also connected there with the ALLERTON and BREWSTER families
> mentioned above who arrived on the MAYFLOWER and also the ship, ANNE, that I
> just found was somewhat of a sister ship to the ship LITTLE JAMES that ar
> rived a week to 10 days later than the ANNE with both carrying family of the
> original MAYFLOWER and the Abraham PIERCE mentioned arrived on the ship,
> ANNE, in 1623. It was, I believe, a later date in the 1630s when the ship,
> LITTLE JAMES, brought the 4 MEURIG/MEURIC/MEYRICK/MERRICK/MYRICK brothers
> from England to New England after they had gone from Wales into England and
> then with my branch at some point in the mid-1600s coming on into Virginia.
>
> The aforementioned name of ALLERTON married into my EARLE lineage with the
> marriage of my paternal 7th great grandfather, Samuel EARLE, I (son of (Sir)
> John EARLE, immigrant, born: abt. 1612 in Nye, Wynscomb, Somersetshire,
> England, and his 1st wife, Mary SYMONS/SYMONDS,) and Samuel EARLE's 1st wife,
> Bridget HALE, (S,) (my paternal 7th great grandmother whom is believed to
> have been the daughter of Thomasina DOWCETT and Thomas
> HALE(S)/HAILLES/HAILES/HAYLES who, along with (Sir) John EARLE, settled
> Yeocomico Parish in Northumberland County, Virginia along with (Sir) John
> EARLE after acquiring the land from the Indians shortly after (Sir) John
> EARLE immigrated in 1649 along with Francis SYMONS/SYMONDS whom is believed
> to have been the brother of John's wife, Mary SYMONS, born: abt. 1617 in
> Gloucestershire, England, who immigrated in 1652 and died in Northumberland
> County, Virginia in 1659 after which a few months later in 1660s, (Sir) John
> EARLE married his 2nd wife, Elizabeth, who was either named CAUSEY/CAWSEY by
> birth or possibly her 1st husband may have been the CAUSEY/CAWSEY and her 2nd
> husband was ? HOWELL and her 3rd husband was (Sir) John EARLE who died a few
> months after they married at the age of 48 years old after which Mrs.
> Elizabeth ?/CAUSEY ?/CAUSEY HOWELL EARLE married her 4th husband, William
> CLEMENT(S.)
>
> The aforementioned Samuel EARLE, I, after the death of Bridget HALE(S)
> married as his 2nd wife, Mattilda ALLERTON, according to our information, but
> no indication as to whom her parents were but she was in Westmoreland County,
> Virginia during the same timeframe that Isaac ALLERTON, Jr. was and I believe
> that she is somehow closely related. Mrs. Mattilda ALLERTON EARLE married
> 2nd husband, William RUST, and they are related to my paternal PAYNE -
> JENNINGS - ROBINSON lineage as well as my maternal LOTT - LIGHTFOOT -
> HATTON/HATTEN - CLARKE - UNDERWOOD - LAMKIN/LAMPKIN - COX -
> DEMOURVILLE/DAMOURVELL lineage through the marriage of my ancestral maternal
> grandfather, George LAMKIN, and his wife, Hannah COX, who married 2nd
> husband, Dr. Samuel DEMOURVILLE/DAMOURVELL in the late 1600s.
>
> In addition, the aforementioned Mrs. Mattilda ALLERTON EARLE RUST married as
> her 3rd husband another of my paternal 7th great grandfathers, John BENNETT,
> believed to have been the father of my patenral 6th great grandmother,
> Phillis BENNETT, who married Samuel EARLE, II, stepson of the aforementioned
> Mrs. Mattilda ALLERTON EARLE RUST BENNETT through his father's marriage to
> Mattilda and Samuel EARLE, II's wife, Phillis BENNETT, was either the
> stepdaughter or, possibly, the natural daughter of Mattilda.
>
> And Phillis BENNETT and Samuel EARLE, II were the parents of (Major) Samuel
> EARLE, II, born: abt. 1692 in Westmoreland County, Virginia, who married 1st
> wife, Anna SORRELL, and then married 2nd wife, Elizabeth HOLBROOK, born:
> abt. 1733 in Prince William County, Virginia, daughter of Mrs. Jannet
> PATTISON - CONYERS, (2nd wife and widow and heiress of Henry CONYERS,) and
> 2nd husband, Randolph "Randall/Randol" HOLBROOK, Jr., (his 1st wife was Ann
> STANWAY, and Randolph was the son of Randolph "Ralph/Rafe" HOLBROOK, Sr. and
> his 2nd wife, Mary WILCOXSON/Mrs. Mary WILCOXSON, aka WILLCOCKSEN, whom I
> believe is somehow related to the John WILCOXSON/WILLCOCKSEN who married
> Sarah BOONE, sister of Daniel BOONE, children of Squire BOONE and Sarah
> MORGAN who descends from David CRAWFORD, immigrant, that the aforementioned
> Anna SORRELL also descends from and that I also descend from through
> Elizabeth CRAWFORD and Nicholas MERIWETHER, II through their daughter, Jane
> MERIWETHER, who married into the TOWNELEY - READE - WARNER - LEWIS - HOWELL -
> LANE family whose descendant, Mrs. Rachael Moranda "Randa/Randy" LEWIS
> COLEMAN BRIGHT PARKER, my paternal great grandmother, later married Spencer
> B. PARKER, descendant of the JENNINGS - PAYNE - ROBINSON - WILLOUGHBY - MOORE
> - JORDAN lineage that married into the PARKER lineage that then married into
> the PIERCE - MYRICK - HERRINGTON - STUCKEY - CARY - HOWELL - DICKENS - GRAVES
> lineage.
>
> I also descend from the connecting SLAUGHTER and other connecting family
> groups to the earlier families but there is already so much involved here
> that I will bring that out in later emails regarding some of these other
> connections more in detail later.
>
> Looking forward to hearing from anyone especially regarding the descendants
> of (Colonel) Augustine MOORE and Lucy SMITH.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bellinda Myrick - Barnett
>
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Re: MOORE, SMITH, TALIAFERRO, GRYMES, CATLETT, UNDERWOOD, SALLIS, DONIPHAN,
PARTRIDGE, COLCLOUGH, WILLSON/WILSON, RANSDELL, KELLY, JENNINGS, WILLOUGHBY,
PAYNE, ROBINSON, JORDAN/JORDANE/JORDUN, ALLERTON, BREWSTER,
MERRICK/MYRICK/MEYRICK/MEURIG/MEURIC, PIERCE, EARLE, HOLBROOK,
WILCOXSON/WILLCOCKSON, BENNETT, RUST
Esecially searching for information on descendants of:
(Colonel) Augustine MOORE and Lucy SMITH
In 1600s and 1700s Virginia and specifically in the year 1715 in Virginia:
Robert TALIAFERRO married to Sarah GRYMES, daughter of (Reverend) Charles
GRYMES, of "Brandon," then of Gloucester and later Middlesex County,
Virginia. Robert TALIAFERRO and (Major) Lawrence SMITH, (friends and business
associates,) were the fathers of John TALIAFERRO and Sarah SMITH who married.
MOORE HOUSE which, at one time, belonged to (Major) Lawrence SMITH, and at
this time was owned and occupied by his great granddaughter, Lucy SMITH, who
married (Colonel) Augustine MOORE.
I am interested in whether anyone on these lists happens to know the names of
all of the children of Lucy SMITH and (Colonel) Augustine MOORE, who occupied
after MOORE HOUSE the previous home of (Major) Lawrence SMITH. There is also
a relationship with this family group and that of (Captain) John CATLETT and
Elizabeth UNDERWOOD and their daughter, Sarah CATLETT, who married a younger
Robert TALIAFERRO and after the death of the younger Robert TALIAFERRO his
wife, Mrs. Sarah CATLETT TALIAFERRO married her 2nd husband, Samuel(l)
SALLIS, and then after the death of Samuel(l) SALLIS, Mrs. Sarah CATLETT
TALIAFERRO SALLIS married 3rd husband, Samuel(l) SHORT.
Mrs. Sarah CATLETT TALIAFERRO SALLIS and Samuel(l) SALLIS were the parents of
Sarah SALLIS who married Alexander "Alex" DONIPHAN, Jr., (son of (Captain)
Alexander DONIPHAN, Sr., born: abt. 1640 in Plymouth, Devonshire, England,
and his 1st wife, Amie PARTRIDGE, and after the death of Amie PARTRIDGE,
(Captain) Alexander DONIPHAN, Sr. married his 2nd wife, Margaret MOTT(E,) and
after the death of Margaret MOTT(E,) (Captain) Alexander DONIPHAN, Sr.
married his 3rd wife, Susannah ?
Amie PARTRIDGE was the sister of Samuel PARTRIDGE, Sarah PARTRIDGE, Mary
PARTRIDGE and Elizabeth PARTRIDGE. And the siblings married into the
COLCLOUGH and WILLSON/WILSON families among others. It is thought quite
possible that this set of siblings who were all immigrants are the children
or somehow related to the immigrant George PARTRIDGE who immigrated in the
early to mid-1600s from England to New England while these PARTRIDGEs are
found in Virginia after living or at least in court records in London,
England.
The aforementioned Alexander "Alex" DONIPHAN, Jr. was the brother of Amy
DONIPHAN, born: abt. 1662 in Virginia, who married 1st husband, (Captain)
John KELLY, born: abt. 1660 in Virginia, (son of Penelope ? and Matthew (1)
KELLY.) After the death of (Captain) John KELLY, Mrs. Amy DONIPHAN KELLY
married her 2nd husband, Edward RANSDELL.
Amy DONIPHAN and (Captain) John KELLY were the parents of several children
including Matthew (2) KELLY, Alexander Doniphan KELLY, and Ann KELLY, born:
abt. 1696 in Virginia, probably Richmond County, Virginia, died: 1735 in
Richmond County, Virginia, who married William JENNINGS, Sr., born: abt.
1695 in Virginia, died: 1733/34 in Richmond County, Virginia, who was the
brother of Augustine JENNINGS, born: abt. 1702 in Richmond County, Virginia
who was left as a guardian of two of the children who were orphans of Ann
KELLY and husband, William JENNINGS, Jr., after their death in the early to
mid-30's.
William JENNINGS, Jr. was the son of William JENNINGS, Sr., born: abt. 1668
in Rappahannock County, Virginia, and his wife, Mary WILLOUGHBY, born: abt.
1670 in ?, (still trying to find the names of her parents. It is believed
that she descends from (Sir) Ambrose WILLOUGHBY whose descendant (Sir) Thomas
WILLOUGHBY was the father of Elizabeth WILLOUGHBY who married Isaac ALLERTON,
Jr., (son of Isaac ALLERTON, Sr. and Fear BREWSTER, (daughter of William
BREWSTER, all of England to New England in the early 1600s with Isaac
ALLERTON, Jr. then migrating to Westmoreland County, Virginia where John
PAYNE, immigrant, born: abt. 1615 in Yorkshire, England, lived and was
buried after his death in Maryland during the Maryland Protestant Revolution
when he was murdered and then buried at "Red House"/"Cedar Hill,"
Westmoreland County, Virginia. John PAYNE was the grandfather of the
aforementioned William JENNINGS, Sr., son of John JENNINGS, Jr., born: May
22, 1640 in St. Martin's Parish, Birmingham, Worcester County, Virginia, and
his wife, Margaret PAYNE, (daughter of John PAYNE and his wife,
Margaret/Margrett whom is believed to have been the Margaret ROBINSON who was
the daughter of Richard ROBINSON who immigrated in the early 1600s from
England into the Tidewater area of Virginia which was later Norfolk area and
this Richard ROBINSON is either the uncle or great uncle of immigrant,
Christopher ROBINSON. In addition some of the family of (Colonel) Augustine
MOORE married into the ROBINSON family.
The aforementioned Augustine JENNINGS became the guardian of his brother
William's children, Calathan JENNINGS and Edward Salley JENNINGS, Sr., born:
1720 in Richmond County, Virginia, (my paternal 5th great grandfather,) who
married a woman named Sarah MOORE whom we believe was born in about 1720 and
probably in Virginia and maybe in the Richmond County area. We have no idea
about the names of the parents nor the siblings of Sarah MOORE but after just
recently finding out about the very close proximity of the family group of
(Colonel) Augustine MOORE and his family's marrying into my JENNINGS - KELLY
- DONIPHAN - PARTRIDGE family group of the aforementioned Edward Salley
JENNINGS who married Sarah MOORE I am very inclined now to believe that it is
from within this family group of MOOREs that my Sarah MOORE also descends.
Alexander Doniphan KELLY and brother, Matthew (2) KELLY, brothers of Mrs. Ann
KELLY JENNINGS, also became guardians of Ann and William, Jr.'s other
children, Martha JENNINGS, and William JENNINGS, III and John JENNINGS.
In addition, I have also found connected to (Colonel) Augustine MOORE the
name of Francis JORDANE/JORDUN and it might bring other connections as there
is a William JORDAN who was mentioned in the will of Mrs. Ann KELLY JENNINGS.
And, in addition, Edward Salley JENNINGS, Sr. and Sarah MOORE's son, John
JENNINGS, Sr., (RS,) born: abt. 1748 in Richmond County, Virginia, married a
woman named Rachel JORDAN, born: abt. 1750, possibly in Virginia, for whom
we also still search for her parents names as well. I believe that she is
most likely related to this William JORDAN and, possibly, to the the Francis
JORDAN/JORDUN, aka JORDAN. And it is believed that this Rachel JORDAN is,
most likely, descended from JORDANs who were of the JORDAN'S JOURNEY group of
JORDAN family at Jamestown, Virginia where connecting family groups had
family members who died in the Massacre of 1622.
There are so many connections including the PIERCE and BENNETT families
involved in the Massacre of 1622 that I descend from in maternal lineage and
the PIERCE and BENNETT families that I am also researching from my paternal
4th great grandfather, Hugh PIERCE, born: abt. 1749 in Frederick County,
Virginia, and whatever connections he may have to immigrant, Abraham PIERCE,
in the 1600s in New England, and connections that exist there with the
MERRICK/MYRICK/MEYRICK/MEURIC/MEURIG family out of Wales into New England
that I descend from through Virginia branches that were also in New England
and are also connected there with the ALLERTON and BREWSTER families
mentioned above who arrived on the MAYFLOWER and also the ship, ANNE, that I
just found was somewhat of a sister ship to the ship LITTLE JAMES that ar
rived a week to 10 days later than the ANNE with both carrying family of the
original MAYFLOWER and the Abraham PIERCE mentioned arrived on the ship,
ANNE, in 1623. It was, I believe, a later date in the 1630s when the ship,
LITTLE JAMES, brought the 4 MEURIG/MEURIC/MEYRICK/MERRICK/MYRICK brothers
from England to New England after they had gone from Wales into England and
then with my branch at some point in the mid-1600s coming on into Virginia.
The aforementioned name of ALLERTON married into my EARLE lineage with the
marriage of my paternal 7th great grandfather, Samuel EARLE, I (son of (Sir)
John EARLE, immigrant, born: abt. 1612 in Nye, Wynscomb, Somersetshire,
England, and his 1st wife, Mary SYMONS/SYMONDS,) and Samuel EARLE's 1st wife,
Bridget HALE, (S,) (my paternal 7th great grandmother whom is believed to
have been the daughter of Thomasina DOWCETT and Thomas
HALE(S)/HAILLES/HAILES/HAYLES who, along with (Sir) John EARLE, settled
Yeocomico Parish in Northumberland County, Virginia along with (Sir) John
EARLE after acquiring the land from the Indians shortly after (Sir) John
EARLE immigrated in 1649 along with Francis SYMONS/SYMONDS whom is believed
to have been the brother of John's wife, Mary SYMONS, born: abt. 1617 in
Gloucestershire, England, who immigrated in 1652 and died in Northumberland
County, Virginia in 1659 after which a few months later in 1660s, (Sir) John
EARLE married his 2nd wife, Elizabeth, who was either named CAUSEY/CAWSEY by
birth or possibly her 1st husband may have been the CAUSEY/CAWSEY and her 2nd
husband was ? HOWELL and her 3rd husband was (Sir) John EARLE who died a few
months after they married at the age of 48 years old after which Mrs.
Elizabeth ?/CAUSEY ?/CAUSEY HOWELL EARLE married her 4th husband, William
CLEMENT(S.)
The aforementioned Samuel EARLE, I, after the death of Bridget HALE(S)
married as his 2nd wife, Mattilda ALLERTON, according to our information, but
no indication as to whom her parents were but she was in Westmoreland County,
Virginia during the same timeframe that Isaac ALLERTON, Jr. was and I believe
that she is somehow closely related. Mrs. Mattilda ALLERTON EARLE married
2nd husband, William RUST, and they are related to my paternal PAYNE -
JENNINGS - ROBINSON lineage as well as my maternal LOTT - LIGHTFOOT -
HATTON/HATTEN - CLARKE - UNDERWOOD - LAMKIN/LAMPKIN - COX -
DEMOURVILLE/DAMOURVELL lineage through the marriage of my ancestral maternal
grandfather, George LAMKIN, and his wife, Hannah COX, who married 2nd
husband, Dr. Samuel DEMOURVILLE/DAMOURVELL in the late 1600s.
In addition, the aforementioned Mrs. Mattilda ALLERTON EARLE RUST married as
her 3rd husband another of my paternal 7th great grandfathers, John BENNETT,
believed to have been the father of my patenral 6th great grandmother,
Phillis BENNETT, who married Samuel EARLE, II, stepson of the aforementioned
Mrs. Mattilda ALLERTON EARLE RUST BENNETT through his father's marriage to
Mattilda and Samuel EARLE, II's wife, Phillis BENNETT, was either the
stepdaughter or, possibly, the natural daughter of Mattilda.
And Phillis BENNETT and Samuel EARLE, II were the parents of (Major) Samuel
EARLE, II, born: abt. 1692 in Westmoreland County, Virginia, who married 1st
wife, Anna SORRELL, and then married 2nd wife, Elizabeth HOLBROOK, born:
abt. 1733 in Prince William County, Virginia, daughter of Mrs. Jannet
PATTISON - CONYERS, (2nd wife and widow and heiress of Henry CONYERS,) and
2nd husband, Randolph "Randall/Randol" HOLBROOK, Jr., (his 1st wife was Ann
STANWAY, and Randolph was the son of Randolph "Ralph/Rafe" HOLBROOK, Sr. and
his 2nd wife, Mary WILCOXSON/Mrs. Mary WILCOXSON, aka WILLCOCKSEN, whom I
believe is somehow related to the John WILCOXSON/WILLCOCKSEN who married
Sarah BOONE, sister of Daniel BOONE, children of Squire BOONE and Sarah
MORGAN who descends from David CRAWFORD, immigrant, that the aforementioned
Anna SORRELL also descends from and that I also descend from through
Elizabeth CRAWFORD and Nicholas MERIWETHER, II through their daughter, Jane
MERIWETHER, who married into the TOWNELEY - READE - WARNER - LEWIS - HOWELL -
LANE family whose descendant, Mrs. Rachael Moranda "Randa/Randy" LEWIS
COLEMAN BRIGHT PARKER, my paternal great grandmother, later married Spencer
B. PARKER, descendant of the JENNINGS - PAYNE - ROBINSON - WILLOUGHBY - MOORE
- JORDAN lineage that married into the PARKER lineage that then married into
the PIERCE - MYRICK - HERRINGTON - STUCKEY - CARY - HOWELL - DICKENS - GRAVES
lineage.
I also descend from the connecting SLAUGHTER and other connecting family
groups to the earlier families but there is already so much involved here
that I will bring that out in later emails regarding some of these other
connections more in detail later.
Looking forward to hearing from anyone especially regarding the descendants
of (Colonel) Augustine MOORE and Lucy SMITH.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Bellinda Myrick - Barnett