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Author: Sandra_Frohock
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Fleming Tine was born according to a Bible fragment to William Colbert, b. 1772, and wife, "Peggy" Margaret Williams, b. 1777, who died about 1817. This was soon after the move of the family from Hancock/Greene Co., GA, to AL. William married again, twice. The second marriage produced Lucinda, but mother's name is not known. The third was to a Waters, who had children already, but the family was added to. Two of William's sons stayed in GA, some in AL, near now Montgomery when he moved again to Noxubee, MS, where he died about 1848. Descedants went on to LA, some to ARK, and later TX. My family from IL matches with the DNA of the family who moved on to LA and there is a Jackson in TX also in the mix. My research indicates there is a James who preceded both William of 1772 and Elisha b. Unknown but the early 1770's possibly. This James had 400 acres in early Elbert, GA, earlier Wilkes Co. Exactly how these two relate, and indeed whether Elisha is our earlier ancestor of!
the So IL branch is not certain, but the DNA indicates they relate -- big time. There is a Rev. Elisha Colbert who is said to have died in 1784 and who is a brother to Bazel,who took his bounty land grant. The Elisha is So IL came there between 1802 and 1806 or 07, and he is very much alive, settling in now Hardin Co., IL, then Randolph Co., and by 1817 perhaps moving back to Al where son Hiram lived. He is thought to have died in about 1834 as did son James in IL, both in the War of 1812 in IL and perhaps victims of an epidemic at the time. Along with this earlier James in Elbert, GA, is also a William to whom Elisha sold land in Frankin Co before moving on to IL, a Suzannah, who has land of her own but is also later listed as a widow there. There is also a Tuckedmarc in the area same time as when Elisha lived there, and a John Colbert(son), died 1789, w. Martha, with a large family, a Richard, as well as varied other Colbert's, Calvert's, Calvitt's, Colvert's, in ear!
ly GA, Carolina's, and VA. Who fits where is yet to be proven. If an
ything fits and can add to this do let us know.
In early IL the So IL Colbert's lived near the Rose family, my Mother's family also, and these Rose's also came from Elbert, GA, when they came in the early 1800's, descendants of a Henry Rose.
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Author: NowakandtheIrish
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I am looking for the family of Margaret Colbert who was the neice of Honora Downes (Dawnes) and Patrick McNamara of Ithaca, New York. Patrick and Honora were married in 1863 and Patrick died in 1865. Honora died in 1908 and Margaret Colbert seemed to be the only relative and was in charge of the arrangements of burial for Honora. In 1908 Margaret is listed as living in Addison New York.
If there are any descendants, please contact me for I have information on Patrick and Honora that I would like to give you.
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Author: soulard2
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The Cynthia you refer to is the same woman I am seeking. Ella Foy Gorman postulated that she was married to 3 different Calvert cousins but no record of any marriage appears to exist. Her son Alexander is my 4th great grandfather. I belong to the Calvert site and they are as curious about her as I am. I agree regarding the MtDNA although it wouldn't help this particular situation.
I believe the spelling inconsistency is due to the pronunciation. The Calvert family apparently pronounced the name "COLBERT" and so the spelling changed among several branches as time went by.
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Author: Sandra_Frohock
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There is a William Calvert -- I hope I am remembering rightly -- who connects, however with a Neal family. Remember that names get corrupted and angelized as people migrate, so it is the DNA that tells the true story. You might check out O'Gorgam and Nicklin on the Calvert connections to that family.
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Author: Sandra_Frohock
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There are a lot of Colbert's turning out to be DNA Calvert related. It seems to me the Revolutionary war and other factors as people migrated away from VA and coastal reasons gave them good reason not to be associated perhaps with the MD/English Calvert surname perhaps and then, too, records got lost, people displaced, and spellings corrupted. My hope is that MtDNA will get perfected enough so that it is more helpful eventually. There is a Cynthia with the Calvert's, son Alexandar, who seems, if I recall correctly, to have married more than once. Check the Calvert Genealogy site and correspond there. You may be surprised at what you learn.
I have since working with the DNA often found that when tracking various family lines both maternal and paternal, they wind back into one another so there has to be some inner connections with lots of our families perhaps.
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Author: soulard2
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My MacNeill match was to a man living on the island of Colonsay. He's a Scot and, to his knowledge, none of his family migrated to America in this era.
He does have a brother who is a professor at the University of Missouri. The brother is also reasearching the MacNeill family.
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Author: soulard2
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The names you list are my matches, Rose, Ross, MacNeill, Hooper. I've looked into each family and corresponded with each doner. I just really need the key to tie our Calverts to any of these names. Cynthia's husband is the obvious link (I think); or maybe it was her father, George the Younger of PWC whose parentage has not been proven. I need to check but I believe descendents of his brother have matched to the Calvert family.
The DNA donors I contacted were all baffled when the name Calvert appeared as a match.
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Author: Sandra_Frohock
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Correction on the above -- the DNA match is MacNeall. Also with the Ernie DNA if you have access, there is a ged com with Rose's, a MacNeal, Stevens, Hooper and others you might want to check on. Spelling doesn't always count for much with this stuff as we all know. There are many Colbert's who are DNA Calvert's and other variations.
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Author: Sandra_Frohock
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As you may know, the Rose family has a DNA and research site on the web. You should be able to compare some DNA results there. My family is also connected with the Rose's, and through my female lineage, and so is a Calvert descendant that I know of. The female MtDNA is difficult to trace with testing, but might be helpful since you are also coming up with MacNeal, assumedly with YDNA results and possibly documents.. My family YDNA recently had an Irish O'Neal link,Irish and the researcher is in Ireland. I have no idea if this might be the same, but might be worth checking out.
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Author: soulard2
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The Bible record is a treasure. I kept a copy of it. Hope you don't mind.
I know of 2 other Elijah Calverts, both descended from the Prince William families and cousins of Cynthia.
Elijah Calvert b. about 1761. Son of Reuben Calvert and Sarah Kirkland Calvert. d. 27 Jun 1829 in Owen, Kentucky. He appears to be a Rev War soldier.
Elijah Calvert b. abt 1812. Son of Francis Calvert and Elizabeth Rose (married in 1809). I don't have any more information about Elijah but Francis and "Betsy" Rose lived in Bedford County, VA; then what is now Kanawha, WV where he died in 1823.
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Author: buster48
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Sorry I dont know who his parents were,He has been a hard person to track,I have been trying for years to come up with somthing on him. I have attached a bible page to this post.
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Author: soulard2
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This is the census record for Smith County, TN 1820.
Census Year 1820 Microfilm # M33-125 State Of Tennessee
County Of Smith Enumerator Price F. Martin
51 474 Colbert Cynthia
1 White M 0-16, AOM 1, 1 F 45 , 1 Free Black Female 14-45
If your Elijah was b in 1806 he would have been 14. Cynthia
was born in 1763 so would have been 57.
In 1830 Elijah is too old. He would have only been 24.
Colbert, Elijah
1 Male 40-50, 1 Free Black Male 10-24, 1 Free Black Male 24-36, 1 Free Black Female 10-, 4 Total Household.
Do you have any idea who Elijah's parents were?
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Author: buster48
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My Elijah Colbert (Calbert) was born around 1806, He married Annie Lee in Smith county Tenn.Also they named there first daughter Cynthia.There oldest son was Stephen who ended up in Indianapolis, Vincent who was killed in the civil war and then my gg grandfather John W Calbert who lived in Kentucky. Ann Lee was daughter of Stephen D Lee, Funny thing about that is there always seemed to be Colberts living close.Valentine Colbert is a name I seem to remember in one of the census.
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Author: soulard2
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My mother's cousin who submitted the DNA was Ernie Calvert and his results are listed on Family Tree DNA as part of the Calvert Project. The purpose of the test was to determine whether or not the father of Cynthia's children was a Calvert. She retained the name her entire life so she either married a cousin (unverified) or did not change her name (unlikely). The test, to date, has proved that the father was either a Rose or a MacNeill. Thus, I am waiting for another descendent of Cynthia's to come forward.
I have adequate proof that she was of the Prince William Calvert's. It's the father of her children I am trying to identify.
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Author: Sandra_Frohock
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I forgot to mention that, yes, a male descendant is needed for YDNA, the oldest one possible to be really helpful. There is a test for MtDNA which may help also, but it is difficult to come up with finite relationships, whereas with the YDNA there is a lot to be discovered.
Also, the Calvert generalogy does have an Elijah. Whether he was was in Smith Co. or not, I don't recall, but I have seen the name in early genealogies for Calvert families.
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Author: Sandra_Frohock
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I can't help but respond to this also. The DNA with Family Tree DBA can be reached through a link at the Calvert Genealogy site. The PW Calvert group is indeed showing links to the Lee and Key families, and to IL and elsewhere discussed here. I help with that with the Calvert Project there, and there are also files with information that might be helpful.
Joseph Calvert lived in White Co., IL and earlier in GA. I have an Elisha Colbert from GA -- we believe -- who died young, but the names mentioned here don't seem to tie in. I do know there are more Elisha Colbert's as well. DNA could be very helpful with figuring out more. The Calver Project group would welcome participation. Contact me personally if interested.
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Author: pcolbert2
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In order for DNA to work it has to be a male Colbert that submits. It cannot be a female. I need to go back over my DNA notes and see...but, I think that there were links in VA (PWC), Allen Town, KY AND Illinois. Got sidetracked all of last year with one relative that wanted to do another DNA on the Perry line and just put the Colbert's aside. Oh...I noticed you had Calbert also listed. I believe that John T. Colbert who moved to Trion, GA is our Elisha's brother. They pronounce their name as CALL BURT....we pronounce Colbert as COAL Burt. But...then, my husband's grandfather was also a bigamist and may have changed the pronunciation. The surname KEY is also coming up in our DNA...have you come across any KEY relatives?
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There is a plethora of coincidence here. The common names are enough to get your attention.
My Alexander Calvert was born in Bedford, Va 1783 and d in White Co, IL 1856. He was married to Nancy Mayhew in Bedford in 1805. They had 9 children born in Virginia, Tennessee and Kentucky and raised in Illinois.
Alexander had a brother, George A who also moved to Illinois but left the area. His descendents are in Washington or Oregon. He was a preacher.
Since Allen Co, KY and Sumner Co, TN border each other I believe my Cynthia may be the Cynthia Colbert who appeared in the 1820 Census as head of household. When she disappeared and Elijah was listed in 1830 I began to wonder how he was related.
You have also given me a great deal of food for thought. I will go back over your notes and see if I have anything that ties these families together. It has also occurred to me that Elijah could be a third child of Cynthia's.
My mother's cousin submitted a DNA sample and it came back to the family Rose. This was not a complete surprise since I have never found a marriage record for Cynthia. Other researchers postulate that she was married to multiple of her Calvert cousins. Not sure I believe that. My hope is that another descendent of Cynthia will have the test and we will have some basis for comparison.
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A couple of other things....John (1780) and William (1785)both say they were born in NC. Their wives, Syntha and Minkie say they were born in VA.
Alexander was born 1810-1820 in SC...probably closer to 1810. John...who is either John or William's son was born in 1807..he says NC.
I do believe that John is Alex's father. John was a blacksmith by trade..so probably moved around a lot.
John appears on the 1820 Census for Spartenburg County, SC, the 1840 and 1850 Census for Rutherford County, NC.
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I can no longer ignore these messages after receiving this one. There is just too much common ground here.
A couple of years ago I submitted my husband's DNA to Family Tree DNA. He is a Colbert. It came back to the Calverts of PWC...also people in other areas you have mentioned.
His grandfather is Elisha Colbert who died in LaFayette, GA.
His great grandfather is Alexander Colbert, who moved into GA from Rutherford County, NC by the 1840 Census(but was born in SC)...note that Frances Calvert lived for a time in SC.
Alexander's marriage bond was signed by JOHN Colbert (his great, great Grandfather)...and I have found John in Spartenburg Co, SC as well as Rutherford NC (bordering counties). John appears to be married to a Syntha Colbert. (Note...I believe that John has a brother named William who lives next door to him in Rutherford County). I also strongly believe that Alexander has either a brother or a cousin named John..not sure if he is John or William's son.
Alexander was first married to Mary Sutton of Rutherford. Their first daughter was named Cyntha.
Is it possible that Alexander had a son named John and that your Alexander is the grandfather of my husband's Alexander. (He was Alexander D...no idea what the D stands for...it was on his wife's tombstone. Our Alexander died in the CW.)
The children of Alexander and Mary Sutton were: Powell, Alfred M, Cyntha L, Sarah Louisa, Arabella Jane, Mary M., Robert and William Benjamin. When Mary died, he married his neighbor's sister, Mary G. Covington. They had: Martha, Elisha, John T. Jessie and Annie.
Do you have info on your Alexander...who his children were?
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