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Author: sandrawortham72
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Could some of you give me input to make a good decision. I would like to have a male Cogburn relative take a DNA to tie our grt-grandfather to a family line as we have searched unsuccessfully to determine his parents. I confuse myself as there are various dna's, different companies, etc. Some recommend one test and some another and I probably have one shot at this so want to do it right. Any help, recommendattions, etc would be very appreciated. ...and are there enough in data bases that this should be hopefully succesful? Thanks!
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Author: chaunticlear
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Sandra,
I just sent you my file via the e-mail address you gave in your message. . I know you've been looking for your William for a long, long time, and I understand the frustration of never finding that long-ago ancestor.
Hope my conclusions turn out to be right.
Let me know if you received the file.
Peggy
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Author: sandrawortham72
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Peggy, I pulled this up but was not seeing any Ancestry messages so was waiting to go back to check, of course got sidetracked and just today seeing them! I just sent you a message including my email address and am very excited. Looking forward to hearing from you when you can! Sandra
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Author: chaunticlear
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Hi Sandra,
I'm Peggy Wingfield. It's been a long time since we "talked". I changed computers and your e-mail address got lost.
I just sent you 2 messages through ancestry. One about your long sought for William and another about your grandma Miller.
I have screen shots of census(s) that show me that I've probably found your William. I'll send you the whole thing by e-mail. If you think I'm right, then you can then post the story and census records here if you wish. (I don't know how to do that).
I'm now 80 years old, Sandra, so let's discuss this without delay... if you know what fI mean. ;)
Peggy
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Roy I just found this and sent you an email which bounced. I am going to paste the whole thing here; it is toooo long but pretty well restates my info & clues for you or possibly anyone else who might see this and have a clue for me as it's been a while since I really worked this line.Roy, I am just now seeing your below message of a couple of weeks ago; haven't been on the computer much and need to see what else I've missed! I don't know where to start but if there's a piece of old Cogburn history your mom knows that might in some small way match my own Cogburn history and help me find who my grt-gf's family was I would be so happy!
May I fill in a little of what I know and when you have time maybe you could look at it and pass on to her? I may work on this off and on as I have time today...maybe paste in from some posts to include more.
My grt gf was William I. Cogburn born April 26, 1872 in AR to Luiza/Louisa/Lissa Amanda White Cogburn. His father died before his birth, therefore placing his death date approx July 1871- April 1872; I have no clue as to a birthdate for him other than Wm's mother was born abt 1854. My mother has always said Wm's middle name was Isaiah but I've also seen it Isaac. We do not know his father's name, place of birth, family etc; after his death Luiza married Adam F. Whisenhunt and they moved to Texas (Hunt and Howard counties 1st then settled in Taylor Co; another relative said Wm had family also in Cooke Co) with their family, therefore, I guess pretty much losing contact with the Cogburns.
A White researcher at some point indicates they think Wm's father was named Thomas. I've never been able to come up with any more on this; this was a researcher who sort of disappeared on me and for one reason or another I have never put a lot of weight on this information.
I met and visited with an elderly cousin out in Merkel some years ago who seemed to think Wm's father may have been a twin or that Wm was a twin, and either way, the twin had died and she thinks buried in Hope AR?? We've never heard Wm was a twin but of course he could have been the only survivor of the birth.
Luisa & Adam were in Muddy Fork Howard Co AR 1880 with the children including 8 yr old Wm who was mistakenly listed as a Whisenhunt. Luisa was reported to be 27 and from Texas. I don't know if this is where William was born and/or where his father died.
A great aunt, now deceased, seemed to remember that she was told her grandfather/Wm's father had died from an accident rather than an illness. She seems to think the accident involved a horse.
>From a reasearcher who tried to help me; unfortunately I could not come up with more on this to pursue: At Fancy Hill, Ark a man on horseback was running from a fight and ran into a clothes line and was killed. I don't know if the line cut his throat and died from that, was knocked from the horseback and died or how it all happened. The question is has someone heard this story who might also provide an approx time it took place and maybe approx age of the man (Wm's mother Luiza was 18 at the time so guess is he was some older than that) or of course better yet his name also or something like this man left behind a young widow with unborn child.
I have researched the following and this "Amanda" is not my Louisa Amanda: an Amanda in Rusk Co 1870 married to Thomas "Cockburn" possibly being my Louisa Amanda White Cogburn (age matches as well as the fact she was born in TX), mother to my grt gf William I Cogburn. In '60 Rusk census he was in household of H. Cockburn and today I find in '50 Rusk census this was probably Headley Cogburn/Cockburn. Since my Wm's father died before his birth I've never been able to locate his name nor line and sure wondering if Thomas, Headley, etc might be my ancestors.
Note: My Wlliam I. is not the one married to ...oh dear, am overlooking this note now...but my William married Jennie Teresa Davis in Parker Co TX ll/26 1893. ...in case children's names might be familial: they are Roy - Joseph Elroy, Lula - Laura Luiza, Willie Floyd, Hurley Dennis Dollie Elizabeth (my gm), and Beula Cleo.
Clues always seem to so often lead me back to the Fancy Hill Cogburns. From another story from the great aunt, Wm's father evidently had brothers George and Andy/Andrew/Anderson who had trouble with the law. She says when Grandpa Cogburn (Wm) was living in Merkel Taylor County TX as a grown man with children of his own, he had uncles come to town who were running from the law and contacted him; they were a George and Andy supposedly...I find more than one Cogburn family of that era with sons with these names. The story goes on to say Grandpa didn't want them around his family under the circumstances and sent them on their way. I suppose this may have been his last contact with the Cogburn relatives.
I feel someone must have a young Cogburn/Cockburn man in their line with evidently little on him as he would have died young with only the one child who sort of disappeared from their family. I'm always in hopes someone has a clue though along those lines that might help me. Perhaps someone has stories of a young man who left a pregnant young widow but he was never pursued that much since there are so few people descended from him. I have even considered the possibility that Luiza/Louisa was not married with maybe the accident story still accurate or maybe totally made up to protect a young woman back then.
There is a Wm born to Henry & Margaret in 1851 TN who I find died "Abt 1869" in AR; if that were an early est. off a little I always think maybe he is a good clue with the dates and the name being the same as my grt gf's. I've never successfully found my Wm's father in the 1870 census and he would have been alive; nor do I find this Wm in the '70 census though perhaps because he was deceased. Henry was in TX at some point and this is where my grt-grt gm was reportedly born; perhaps she and her 1st husband met while Henry and family were in TX?? We have been told Louisa married in TX and more specifically east TX. I have not ever found reference where Henry's son Wm married. Henry's family is not found in the 1870 census for that matter.
In 1851 Louisa's brother William Jasper White was born in Black Springs, Montgomery Co AR; do not know if she was also rather than TX as we hear, but the family would have been there around the Montgomery Co Cogburn/Cockburn lines. There is a White family, 50 yr old Isaac, residing next door to the 1880 census family of my grt gf in Muddy Fork though we've never documented the kinship. It is know the Cogburns, and Whisenhunts, possibly Whites, were close associates through the years.
This probably pretty well covers any notes, clues, etc, I have that could ring a bell even possibly with your mother's stories; and it is already too long so I will close here and hope I have not been too much a bother with this. When you offered to help, I could not help contacting you as I so appreciate any possible help at all. This line has been my brick wall so long. Sandra Wortham
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