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Author: tracytrim
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Hi James,
I will be sending you an email shortly, with the information I have about James Cockburn. I hope it will be of some help to you.
I believe that we have the same James Cockburn in both of our notes, and if this is the case, I can trace his ancestors back to around 1560.
Cheers,
Tracy
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Author: aheartturned
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I was excited to see your post on the Cockburns of Berwickshire.
I was looking information on James Cockburn In some notes in our family history I have the following: He was born about 1789. His father was Daniel Cockburn and his mother Ellen. Our notes say he wa in charge of the estates of the Duke of Buccleugh at Rossburgh Abby near Berwick. He had a daughter Agnes that was born on Bdrrick-on-Tweed on February 22, 1822. He married Isabelle Agnes Dalgleish.
I am so pleased to perhaps find someone who has additional and more accurate information.
Please let me know what I can do to help.
James immigrated to the United States and after his daughter Elizabeth married Archibald Campbell (my ancestor) they eventually moved to Hartland, Livingston, Michigan were both James and Agnes are buried
Thank you very much
James David Campbell
aheartturned(a)gmail.com
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Author: Syble
Surnames: Cockburn, Lindsay, McIntyre, Acheson,
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Patricia.,
I have not raced my lineage back to John Cockburn, a 1LT who fought in the Royal 74th Regiment of Foote (Infantry) in the Revolutionary War. There is a book out now on them titled "The Fort." On line there is a complete list of the muster rolls, and many of my ancestors are on it. My John Cockburn married Mary Lindsay, whose father was also in the unit, Mary was born in Castein, Maine and John was born in Scotland. John and Mary had several children. I am descended from their son James, who married Margaret, Acheson, the daughter of John and Sarah Elizabeth Adams Acheson who were immigrants to St. Johns and St. Stephens in NB. They were the parents of my great-great grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Cockburn, who was their eldest of 10 or 12. She had brothers John and William, who went to Texas to herd cattle and got into the Civil War on the side of the South. They both became Texas Rangers in different units. She also had a sister named Griselda. I would have to look u!
p the names of the others. The McIntyres, also in the 74th Regiment of Foote, were also my ancestors and Peggy McIntyre was born in Aeroline, Scotland. I am now uncertain as to whether or not the James and John Cockburn of Boston were in any way related to the ones in NB. They might have been members of the same family who left Boston to go to NB because of family there. Anyway, I know that many of the family moved to Ontario, so that is a good place to look for them. I visited NB and discovered a record of the Acheson family in a special file in the library of St. John. I copied it and found out that John and Sarah Acheson had two deaf children and one of them had a deaf daughter, which came as a surprise to me.
I am hoping that this helps other Cockburn family members. Castine, Maine was lost to the British, who then moved to Canada. My Cockburn and Lindsay relatives stayed in Canada.
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Author: Lodgefarmhouse
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So we have the burial of Ann (1754) and Mary at Crosthwaite, but the other Mary (bap 1757 Threlkeld) and Ann (bap 1761 Threlkeld) together with other children, I have them as children of John Cockbain and Margaret Nicholson who married at Dacre in 1756 by licence. If this is correct, it would make it possible for the family at Howe to have moved to Matterdale.
Thomas of Penrith being married to Sarah Grave in 1735/6 I agree was probably from Gaitgill baptised 1714 to John and Ann.
The others, John (1722), Mark (1724) and Anne (1727) were I believe children of John and Jane. This John being the one who married Margaret Nicholson at Dacre in 1756 mentioned above.
Joseph of Lowside was baptised 1699 at Crosthwaite son of Gawen C and Ann Fisher.
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Author: stephenfarrer_1
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Newlands, St. Johns, Borrowdale and Mungrisdale are all parishes that lack early registers, but I've never tried to check up why.
Had another look at the Howe family, and noticed I had recorded a burial in December 1754 of daughter Ann. The three baptisms at Threlkeld include a Mary and an Ann, so they must have replaced the deceased two. The Matterdale baptisms occur at the same time, so they must be a different couple.
I had Thomas in my Penrith notes - called "Mr". His wife was named as Sarah; the only marriage I know about that fits is Thomas Cockbain of Gategill and Sarah Grave of Burns, at Crosthwaite in 1735-6.
I'd guess that this Thomas was the one born 1714, to John & Ann. A number of baptisms follow that are maybe to the same couple: John (1717), John (1722), Mark (1724) and Anne (1727). The other baptisms around that time will be to Joseph of Lowside.
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Author: Lodgefarmhouse
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I also noticed gaps in the Mungrisedale registers and so unless they were recorded in the main register for Greystoke it could account for several "missing" Cockbain baptisms. It seems we independently arrived at similar conclusions.
There is a burial I think of Mary Cockbain in 1754 at Crosthwaite daughter of John and Jane of Howe.
Also, in 1762, the administration of the estate of Thomas Cockbaine, malster in Penrith was granted to his brother John Cockbaine yeoman of Matterdale End.
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Author: stephenfarrer_1
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When I looked at the originals of these registers at Carlisle years ago, I noticed large gaps in the records. There were also frequent references in the Threlkeld and Crosthwaite registers to parishes like "Grisdale" (Mungrisdale), but the surviving records are from surprisingly late dates.
That story is from a booklet written by Reverend Vine-Hall - according to the Threlkeld site, under "The village - Its origin and history". And it says Baits, not Bain.
There is another John & Jane baptism: Crosthwaite 1754, residence given as Howe.
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Author: Lodgefarmhouse
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I have John C marrying Jane Scott in 1842 and having Anne (1743 Threlkeld), Joseph (1746 Threlkeld), Mary (1754 Crosthwaite), Betty (1757 Matterdale), Jane (1759 Matterdale) and Thomas (1761 Matterdale). I agree, they could have had our Joseph in about 1763 but no such baptism has been found.
The Dent connection is helped by the will of Mary Youdale pr1745 widow of Crosthwaite. Mary was Mary Cockbane who married William Youdale in 1709 at Crosthwaite (at least I think this must be her). In her will she refers to her brother Samuel Cockbaine of Co. York; her kinsman Thomas Cockbaine of Dent Co. York brother of Isabel Cockbaine of Dent; Jane Cockbaine widow of Dodach (a farm in Threlkeld Parish) mother of John, Mark and Ann Cockbaine.
Yes there were two Richards bap in 1656 and I think the above family with connections to Dent are closer to Richard son of Thomas.
The letter from Susan Cockbain is news to me and sounds like a "Cock and Bull" story. I have to agree with your opinion that the name was probably corrupted due to Cockburn being more popular.
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Author: stephenfarrer_1
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My main reason for linking them to Threlkeld was the later use of the name Esther. When Joseph married he was said to be from Matterdale. I have made notes before of three baptisms there to John & Jane Cockbain/Cockburn: Betty (1757), Jane (1759) and Thomas (1761) - maybe there was a Joseph in 1763? This couple can't be John Cockbaine & Jane Scott of Threlkeld (m.1742), since they were having children baptized there the same time.
There were two Richards born at Threlkeld in 1656, to Richard and Thomas. I assumed Thomas was the right one, as he had a Samuel (1663), and a Samuel occurs at Dent in 1719.
I've always taken the view that the name was sometimes corrupted to Cockburn simply because that name was far more well known. There were two other Lakeland names that ended in -bain: Crookbain, found around Carlisle, and Langbain (also a German name). The ending derives from O.N. beinn, meaning bone or leg.
We once got a letter from a Susan Cockbain from Liverpool. She subscribed to an odd theory about a Scotsman called Cock who married a woman called Bain, and they then combined their names after moving to Threlkeld. I'd like to know who made this up, as I've noticed from searching online that it has appeared in a publication about Threlkeld.
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Author: Lodgefarmhouse
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My mistake, I should have said Gamblesey which is about 11 miles east of Skelton. John Cockburn of Gamblesey was a yeoman and his will was proved in 1706. He mentions two grandchildren, John Cockburn and Isabel Cockburn and I had sketched them as possibly living at Skelton but cannot be at all certain.
Joseph who married Ann Mounsey in 1781 at Watermillock is in my wife's direct line and he was stated to be a minor when he married, which places his birth at around 1762. The Joseph who married Grace Stoddart has a son Joseph baptised at Threlkeld in 1755 I am told?
It was Richard Cockbain bap 1656 at Threlkeld who moved to Dent. His son Thomas of Dent was apprenticed to Richard's brother Daniel od Doddick, Threlkeld in 1699 and a will of Mary Youdale pr1745 is further confirmation of the link.
Family hearsay is that our Cockburn's fled from Scotland as horse thieves but it is not know when! The reference you have to Robert Cockebayn in 1332 is very interesting. In 1524 a Wm Cokeborne, horsemarshall stated he was a banished man and dare not go to Scotland - Kendal and Carlisle are mentioned which is probably the area this WC was banished to.
Yes I agree, you would need to find a male Cockbain relative for taking any YDNA test.
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Author: stephenfarrer_1
Surnames: Cocken, Cockbain, Cockburn
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The Skelton branch are my lot. I don't have any note of Cockburns at Skelton, but there was a family of Cockains, who had been recorded earlier as Cocken. My John appears there in 1688, and was probably born at Threlkeld, but there were 3 or 4 Johns born around the same time.
I've collected info on Cockbains for years. Last time I looked at the Watermillock, I thought that the Joseph who married Mounsey was probably the so of Joseph Cockbain and Grace Stoddart (Askham 1753), who appeared to come from Lowside, Mungrisdale.
Earliest Cockbain I know of is Robert Cockebayn, recorded in the lay subsidy (1332) at Reston & Hugill, near Staveley. A John "Cokkayn" was recorded at that time in Threlkeld, but I can't say if that is what the original says. In 1545, a butcher named William Cokben was made a Freeman of York.
I've long assumed that the Richard in Dent was one of those born at Threlkeld in 1656. The name Samuel also suggests a link.
There would not be much point in me taking part in a DNA test, since my GGGF William (1817-78)was born in Dalston Poorhouse, ilegitimate son of Mary (deceased); she was herself illegitimate, being the daughter of Susannah, who left her daughter to be raised in Dalston by an aunt, while she married an Isaac Lindall in Whitehaven district.
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Author: Lodgefarmhouse
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The earliest Cockbain families I have traced are at Threlkeld, Cumberland and Crosthwaite in the later 1500s. I agree there is very strong evidence of the name changing to Cockburn for at least one family in the late 1700's - early 1800s when moving from Watermillock to Penrith and elswhere and believe this happened to other Cockbain families moving to Skelton in the late 1600s who changed to Cockburne for example. The Cockbain name changed to Cockbone for a branch which moved to Dent, Yorkshire.
I am married to a descendant of the Watermillock Cockbain who moved to Penrith and her maiden name is spelt Cockburn. The dna of our Cockburn family matches with Cockbain of Threlkeld but does not match with any other Cockburn families so far.
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Author: stephenfarrer_1
Surnames: Cockbain, Cockburn
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I've noticed claims on the web about a DNA link between the Cockbains and Cockburns, but am dubious. The earliest Cockbain I know of was recorded in Westmorland. There was one branch from Watermillock at the end of the 1700s whose name became Cockburn when they moved into Penrith.
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