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THANKS SO MUCH CYNTHIA!!!!!!
Cynthia Raxter wrote:
> Several folks on the Cochran-L list were asking how to search for North
> Carolina records, so thought I would pass this along. It will hopefully be
> helpful if you have any ancestors in NC -- not just the western half:
>
> A map of the counties and how they evolved:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm
>
> Despite the map, the "District of Salisbury" included most of the western
> half of the state prior to 1760. Salisbury was the county seat in Rowan
> County. Rowan's southern border was the "Granville Line" -- roughly the
> north-western 2/3rds of the state today. But the area south of the
> Granville Line was populated before the county line was surveyed that far
> west. The District of Salisbury had jurisdiction on these residents so a
> search for Rowan County records is helpful.
>
> A history of the colonial era is at
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrowan/rowanhis.txt written by "Senator Sam"
> Ervin,Jr. in 1916 -- when he was 20. (In the 1970's he chaired the Watergate
> Committee.) He grew up in Morganton and his family was in the area early.
> It is very enlightening read about our wild and wooly ancestors.
>
> Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem - is a Baptist university and have a
> collection of Baptist church records. They have an index of the records on
> their library's web page. http://www.wakeforest.edu
>
> The Genealogy Library of the State Library in Raleigh.
> http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us (In the catalog search on Subject
> Keyword = Rowan) Lots of books have been published listing Rowan deeds and
> court sessions and tax lists.
>
> The North Carolina Collection and Southern Historical Collection at UNC -
> Chapel Hill. http://www.library.unc.edu The records in both collections are
> indexed in UNC's on-line catalog (web version). A number of items in the
> Southern Historical Collection are being put full text on the web, and you
> can link to them directly from the catalog.
>
> (Put in interlibrary loan requests at your local library for the books you
> want. The UNC special collections or State Genealogy library might not send
> them out but the book may be found at a place that will loan it. The
> information to get is the full title and author and date of publication.)
>
> The State Archives will photocopy records for you and send them for a
> nominal fee. For out of state residents the request has to be mailed to them
> and they charge 8.00 per request plus photocopying charges. For in-state
> residents they take requests on the webpage and only charge for copying. For
> more information
> http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/archives/arch/default.htm
>
> The MARS system -- their index of records held is almost impossible to
> figure out. If you have a specific name I'll be glad to look for it and can
> give you the record number to ask for. PLEASE SEND THE REQUEST TO
> raxter(a)mindspring.com -- not to the list. There is also the Estate Records
> index that is on the web and very easy to use -- but they don't have Rowan
> County indexed. (But they do Transylvania and numerous others!)
>
> Library of Congress union list of manuscripts, lovingly referred to as
> NuckMuck. http://lcweb.loc.gov/coll/nucmc/nucmc.html This is a compiled list
> of manuscripts available all over the United States. "Manuscripts" could be
> oral history tapes, personal letters or a family bible held in an archives.
> Be careful limiting by state. I was helping someone look for Tennessee
> records and they knew a specific author. He had also interviewed people in
> Arkansas and Oklahoma and those states weren't listed on the catalog record.
> i.e. if we had just looked for "share croppers" and "Arkansas" we would of
> miss a considerable body of work.
>
> There are other places to look... but this will hopefully give you a few new
> ideas.
>
> Cynthia
>
> Raxter(a)mindspring.com
Several folks on the Cochran-L list were asking how to search for North
Carolina records, so thought I would pass this along. It will hopefully be
helpful if you have any ancestors in NC -- not just the western half:
A map of the counties and how they evolved:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm
Despite the map, the "District of Salisbury" included most of the western
half of the state prior to 1760. Salisbury was the county seat in Rowan
County. Rowan's southern border was the "Granville Line" -- roughly the
north-western 2/3rds of the state today. But the area south of the
Granville Line was populated before the county line was surveyed that far
west. The District of Salisbury had jurisdiction on these residents so a
search for Rowan County records is helpful.
A history of the colonial era is at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrowan/rowanhis.txt written by "Senator Sam"
Ervin,Jr. in 1916 -- when he was 20. (In the 1970's he chaired the Watergate
Committee.) He grew up in Morganton and his family was in the area early.
It is very enlightening read about our wild and wooly ancestors.
Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem - is a Baptist university and have a
collection of Baptist church records. They have an index of the records on
their library's web page. http://www.wakeforest.edu
The Genealogy Library of the State Library in Raleigh.
http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us (In the catalog search on Subject
Keyword = Rowan) Lots of books have been published listing Rowan deeds and
court sessions and tax lists.
The North Carolina Collection and Southern Historical Collection at UNC -
Chapel Hill. http://www.library.unc.edu The records in both collections are
indexed in UNC's on-line catalog (web version). A number of items in the
Southern Historical Collection are being put full text on the web, and you
can link to them directly from the catalog.
(Put in interlibrary loan requests at your local library for the books you
want. The UNC special collections or State Genealogy library might not send
them out but the book may be found at a place that will loan it. The
information to get is the full title and author and date of publication.)
The State Archives will photocopy records for you and send them for a
nominal fee. For out of state residents the request has to be mailed to them
and they charge 8.00 per request plus photocopying charges. For in-state
residents they take requests on the webpage and only charge for copying. For
more information
http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/archives/arch/default.htm
The MARS system -- their index of records held is almost impossible to
figure out. If you have a specific name I'll be glad to look for it and can
give you the record number to ask for. PLEASE SEND THE REQUEST TO
raxter(a)mindspring.com -- not to the list. There is also the Estate Records
index that is on the web and very easy to use -- but they don't have Rowan
County indexed. (But they do Transylvania and numerous others!)
Library of Congress union list of manuscripts, lovingly referred to as
NuckMuck. http://lcweb.loc.gov/coll/nucmc/nucmc.html This is a compiled list
of manuscripts available all over the United States. "Manuscripts" could be
oral history tapes, personal letters or a family bible held in an archives.
Be careful limiting by state. I was helping someone look for Tennessee
records and they knew a specific author. He had also interviewed people in
Arkansas and Oklahoma and those states weren't listed on the catalog record.
i.e. if we had just looked for "share croppers" and "Arkansas" we would of
miss a considerable body of work.
There are other places to look... but this will hopefully give you a few new
ideas.
Cynthia
Raxter(a)mindspring.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Cochran <haroldc(a)digital.net>
To: COCHRAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <COCHRAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:02 PM
Subject: [COCHRAN-L] Rowan, NC
>A quick glance at an the Rowan County, NC map in an Atlas show that the
county
>is approximately halfway between the SC and Va lines near HWY I-85, and
>couldn't have been a part of SC ceded to NC, its is nowhere near the state
line.
>
Rowan was once almost the entire western half of present day North Carolina.
The county line went from Guilford County in the east legally to the "South
Seas" (the Pacific Ocean). (In reality the western boundary was the Cherokee
lands in the mountains.) On today's map, roughly, west of I-85 and north of
I-40 was Rowan County. But the counties south of I-40 are also once part of
Rowan County -- to a lesser degree.
What do I mean by "lesser degree?" Prior to 1766 all settlers in three
counties and the unsurveyed lands to the west went to Salisbury, the Rowan
county seat for court and jurisdiction. The western half of the state was
the "Salisbury District." So, in 1766 when the boundaries were surveyed and
determined, and portions of already settled areas were determined to be in
South Carolina (see writings of Wainsright Avery for information) people
living in Salisbury District of Rowan County ended up living in South
Carolina --without ever moving an inch.
North Carolina and South Carolina (and Georgia) didn't agree where the
boundary was between the states. The last boundary battle was in present day
Transylvania County (my home), from about 1804-1807. That skirmish was
called the "Walton War", but throughout the 1700's, all along the SC/NC
border -- there were survey wars, skirmishes, tribunals and mediation to
determine who own which land. Frequently the land grants were given and
sold by both states (and by Georgia too). Farther east in the state, is
still questioned if Andrew Jackson was born in South Carolina (just south of
Mecklenburg Co., NC) if he was born in what was considered North Carolina at
the time. When I was in elementary school we claimed him as a son of our
state, but his birthplace is about 5 miles into South Carolina -- that is,
where the line lies today. :-)
A great read about the colonial history of Rowan:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrowan/rowanhis.txt
Maps of the progression of counties carved out of NC:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm
Cheers, Cynthia
Hello,
I am looking for the ancestry of Elizabeth Cochran, who married
Isaac Cox abt 1822 in Pennsylvania. Isaac, died May 07, 1882 and
Elizabeth, died. January 02, 1901 in Chippewa, Beaver Co., Pa.
Thank you!
Kelly
A quick glance at an the Rowan County, NC map in an Atlas show that the county
is approximately halfway between the SC and Va lines near HWY I-85, and
couldn't have been a part of SC ceded to NC, its is nowhere near the state line.
I don't know anything about Rowan Co. but the land where my 4 great grandfather was born was Anson Co., NC, then it became part of Mecklenburg Co., NC, then part of Tyron Co, NC, finally it became part of SC due to redrawing state lines. Can't remember the dates. Better check where the boundaries were for the years you are searching. You may think they moved all over the place when actually they never
moved an inch.
Dana
Rose Harnden wrote:
> Hello COCHRAN Cousins...
> There isn't any Rowan Co, SC.... According to the " Handy Book For Genealogist " the
> Rowan Co. is in NC and was formed from Anson Co, 27 Mar 1753... I sure don't know where
> some people got SC, but the " Handy Book For Genealogist" is the best source for finding out about the Co and State formation... also the Big Red Book is good too..
>
> Good Luck..
> Rose..
> *****************************************************
Hello descendents of Glass Cochran.. I just got a very interesting email this morning from a person that is a descendant of Glass. He told me that you guys have a Samuel Cochran that was born abt. 1721, but you don't know what happened to him..
Well I am related to a Samuel Cochran that was born abt. 1722 that married Sarah Woods. My Samuel lived to Rowan Co., Now all the dates, towns, children and everything fit EXCEPT the state.. Some seem to want to say SC, and some seem to say NC.. I have seem very good documentation to say my Samuel lived in a Rowan NC.. and Rowan SC.. So this appears to be a mystery as to what state he really lived in..
But all that aside, I am thinking since there are so many descendants of Glass. Surely one of you have to know about your Samuel. I am hoping above all hope, that these two Samuels prove to be one in the same.. This could link the two biggest Cochran Clans in that have been posting on message boards together if they do prove to be one in the same..
I am keeping my finger crossed. I hope someone can figure this out.. If you need more of "our" Samuel's info, let me know.. I have from him all the way down to me..
Thanks much,
WendyKay
My GGG-grandfather had family that came to the USA, landing in North Carolina
during the 1700's. We don't know much of anything about them, but we think
their names were David, John, Janet and Rachael and we think that Rachael
married a McRoberts.
My GGG-grandfather was Hugh COCHRAN, who came to the USA in 1839 and settled
first in Pennsylvania before moving west.
Anything sound familiar to anyone?
Thanks
Jim Cochrane
Searching for any data on either Levi COCHRAN or his wife Elizabeth BIBBY,
or their children or siblings.
Eliz. b. abt 1792, NC. Her parents located in Lancaster Co SC by 1800, but
were very close to the NC line.
There were some COCHRAN families in the area-which was the immediate family
of Levi?
Looking especially for the siblings and descendants, as well as the
ancestors.
Doris
Dear Cousins:
I am closing my AOL account and will resubscribe to the list when I get my
new address; meanwhile my snail mail is: Margaret Engelhardt, 499 SW 15th
Drive, Boca Raton, FL 33432.
Hello to all the Cochrans,
My name is WendyKay, I want to tell you about a web site I think you will all enjoy. It is called Electric Scotland. I have been a member of this site for about 2 years now. And I think it is a great place to become a member of your Clan. Without it costing you a single penny.
And to tell the truth, I think the site is a great idea. So much so that I am taking matters into my own hands. I am going to start a monthly news letter that I will be posting there. I am going to chose one Cochran, weather it be a living Clan member, or a Cochran of days of yore and tell more about them. I have polled the member that are there now, and think it is great idea.
Here is the rhyme behind my madness, Think of the days back in Scotland. When we were shoulder to shoulder fighting, eating, drinking, or just making merry. We were Clan.. United. But with cars, airplanes, trains, and anything else, the miles have parted us. Divided us so much that we no longer know of each other. Well using modern tech. I aim to reunite us in a way our ancestors would be proud. And by posting this info on the Clan's board, then I don't have to send out e-mails that will just get deleted. And since some people here on the Cochran list get very touchy when we talk about anything other then genealogy, well, it seems to me that Clan Cochran is a perfect idea. Just wish I would of thought about this a long time ago. I guess all good things come in it's time.
If you want to come join the Clan Cochran just go to http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/cochran.html and click on join your Clan.
Then to help me out, since this news letter in just in it's days of birth, I need to collect info from people. Send me some tid bits about yourself, or if you don't like the idea of being the center of attention, then send me info about one of your ancestors you think should be noted for the rest of the Clan to know. But I still need to know your name so you can be given credit for it.
I am going to be spending the rest of April collecting info for the May newsletter. I hope ALL of you come to "ES" (as it called) and join in. I can't unit the Clan alone.
My e-mail address is wojo(a)soncom.com . Don't forget to send me something about yourself, or a member of your family you want to be recognized, or if have trouble navigating ES, I will be happy to help out.. Remember this site if free.
WendyKay
Got this from another list. Looks like a good site to help understand GEDCOM files
and their importing and exporting. The site offers a utility program for GEDCOMs.
I have not tried it yet but it is supposed to correct problems encountered when
importing GEDCOMs made by different programs than the one you are using. The site
also has general information about GEDCOM files. Download of their shareware
program is available.
http://www.GedX.com/gedx/default.html
Dana
Cynthia:
I was born Cothran, I hold an old family bible kept by one George W. L.
Cothran burried in Carroll County, GA in the old Sharpe Cem. (listed in
Cem. of Carroll County, GA)
He was a son of William Cockrum and Mary "Pollie" Spillers of Greenville
Dist. SC.
Mary being the daughter of George Spillers of same place.
William was the son of Hezikiah Cockerham who later used the spelling of
Cockrum.
But first found on the 1790 US Census for Greenville Dist. as Cockerham.
Going the other way:
George W. L. Cothran had only one son, Ovid Dunlap Cothran Ovid is burried
in the City Cemetery in Avon Park, FL.
He married Zona Almeda Entriken in Mt. Zion, GA part of Carroll County.
Zonas' Mothers Father performed the service for them. His name was Hicks
Martin he was a MG and a MD both. He goes back to Thomas Martin Sr. a
Rev. Sol. form NC.
His wife was Margaret Casey.
Ovid Dunlap Cothran left the bible to us when he died in the 1940's he
worked at that time for the City. He had first been employed prior to that
by the Coastline RR.
Prior to that he worked for Consolidated Land Co. and Navel Stores in Avon
Park in the packing plant.
Ovid and Zona had among others my Father, Orrin Charlie Cothran b.
7/7/1911 in Temple, GA a part of Carroll County.
Now William had a older brother, his name was Hezikiah Allen Cockrum. He
and wife Mathela Crouch moved to Centre, AL. for that matter so did William
at first. Along with their parents and a couple of the other siblings.
Irene who never appears to have married as she is still living with her
Mother until about
1845 when Mary dies. I have no idea what became of Irene but would love to
find out.
Another sibling Andrew Jackson Cothran joined the 19th AL. inf. Co. H. out
of Centre, AL and died during the Civil War shortly after Shilio. I did
learn that his unit took part in this battle and it is possible that he was
injured in it. He was not listed as among the dead from that battle and
when compared to his date of death from the family bible it would seem he
died about a month later on 5/29/1862 just about the time the City of
Cornith, Miss fell to the North. I have in hand what there is of his
service records and this goes along with what the US Census shows and the
bible itself.
There was a brother with the very strange name indeed of:
John Maloy Wilson Cockrum he married Sarah Ann Wester(n) either with or
without the N. We have seen her listed both ways at times. According to
the family bible they married 1/5/1851
Edward A. Cockrum on 9/25/1851 married Miss Mary Ann White in Calhoune Co.
AL and then they just disappear form sight.
Elizabeth Sarah Ann Cockrum married Thomas A. Harris. Found in the back of
the bible was a slip of paper with the names of some Harris children listed
on it with dates of birth and death. I took this to the the children of
this young couple.
Bethany is listed along with her birth. Now this is of interest also in as
much as another Bethany is also listed in this same bible on another page
with a death date and again with her marriage to William H. Hawkins only
this BETHANY is the sister to Mary the mother of the children being
discussed here. This has caused us to wonder if perhaps the mother of both
Bethany and Mary "Pollie" was herself a Bethany too!
Another strange name is found among this branch:
Caira L listed spelled this same way in the family bible and listed and
worded as
"son of Elizabeth and Hezikiah Cockrum" to look at this name it would seem
that this was a female and not a male child.
Enos is found in this line as well but he only lived a little over 4 years
and died on Christmas Day. Which had to be hard.
Cortes De Lafayette another sibling only lived 3 months and 12 days and
again died on Christmas Day. So this line had two very young children to
die on that same day.
Above is listed the Eleven children of William Cockerham/Cockrum and Mary
"Pollie" Spillers listed as Polly thru out the bible.
**********CHILDREN are Not listed in order of birth*****************
Also of interest to me:
I say at one point and a paid Genealogist who helped me read the bible
record long ago when I first began my Quest that the first showing of
Hezikiah in this record shows his surname spelled as COCKRAIN I
have seen this spelling again.
However most feel that Hezikiah b. 1762 who lived Nearby to folks from
Southside VA and who seemed to carry on given family names of those from
that area was himself from a line from Southside VA. This strange spelling
listed above however is seen in the New England States very early on.
In fact some of thoes seen there did move from the New England states over
into VA later on before comming South and spreading out to parts far and
wide.
Me I have no idea when he came from but plan on day to find him as Hezikiah
Cockerham b. 1762 was my direct line 4th Grandfather and a interesting man
indeed to me.
Welcome any news on this line and all opinions!!
I have learned to KEEP a very OPEN mind about Grandpa <<GBG>>
Thanks,
Dolores Gail Cothran Cook Moore
embracer(a)strato.net
*******************************************************
Help me find Hezikiah Cockerham b. 2/19/1762
Of Greenville Dist. SC
I need to find his parents and place of his birth
-----Original Message-----
From: Cynthia Cochran Scheuer <alock(a)kconline.com>
To: COCHRAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <COCHRAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [COCHRAN-L] Re: Meeks and Cothren FYI
>Cothran, Cothron, Cochern, Co-horn, are all pronounciation's of
>COCHRAN/COCHRANE as well as several others I have come
>across in my research. I also have to date 56 spellings for COCHRAN/
>COCHRANE! Cynthia Cochran Scheuer
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Cochran <netminder(a)netzero.net>
>To: COCHRAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <COCHRAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:29 PM
>Subject: [COCHRAN-L] Re: Meeks and Cothren FYI
>
>
>>In certain areas, maybe all of TN, but for certain in Weakley Co TN, (So I
>>was told by another) even today, the name Cochran is pronounced Cothran.
>In
>>the 1860 TN census, my ggg gf, James Manese Cochran, is in Carrol Co under
>>the name J.M. Cothren, which supports that theory.
>>
>>Jim Cochran
>>Nixa MO
>>
>>
>
>
Cothran, Cothron, Cochern, Co-horn, are all pronounciation's of
COCHRAN/COCHRANE as well as several others I have come
across in my research. I also have to date 56 spellings for COCHRAN/
COCHRANE! Cynthia Cochran Scheuer
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cochran <netminder(a)netzero.net>
To: COCHRAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <COCHRAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:29 PM
Subject: [COCHRAN-L] Re: Meeks and Cothren FYI
>In certain areas, maybe all of TN, but for certain in Weakley Co TN, (So I
>was told by another) even today, the name Cochran is pronounced Cothran.
In
>the 1860 TN census, my ggg gf, James Manese Cochran, is in Carrol Co under
>the name J.M. Cothren, which supports that theory.
>
>Jim Cochran
>Nixa MO
>
>
Who did Henry Clay Cochran marry?
Cynthia
-----Original Message-----
From: Realgundy(a)aol.com <Realgundy(a)aol.com>
To: COCHRAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <COCHRAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 9:16 AM
Subject: [COCHRAN-L] Henry Clay COCHRAN of Marine Military fame?
>Does anyone have info on Henry Clay COCHRAN who is cited as having had a
>distinguished Marine career in the Civil & Spanish-American Wars? Think he
>was born 1840s in PA, died ca 1913. Where did he die and where buried?
>Anything else. Siblings? Trying to connect or eliminate as possible
brother
>or cousin to my gggranddad, Dr. John COCHRAN (1833-1914). A GAR marker is
>located in family plot in NE with H.C. on it, nothing else.
>
>Thanx much, Marty.
>
>
Anyone out there researching Cochran or Cochrane lines that settled in Marion,
Alabama in 1800s? Believed to be Irish, coming to this county through Charles
Town (Charleston), South Carolina, then through Georgia to Alabama.