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In response as to why Judge John Coburn's name appears on the monument at the
entrance to Fort Boonesborough, a member of the Special Collections
Department at Eastern Kentucky University, Richmond, KY wrote on 21 June:
"Judge Coburn's name appears on the marble monument because he was one of the
pioneers at Fort Boonesborough. The Society of Boonesborough did all the
research on locating the name of all the pioneers who settled Boonesborough.
In 1981 the Society of Boonesborough presented the monument to the
commonwealth of Kentucky and it stands in front of the reconstructed fort."
Richard H. Pollock
Orin Wells wrote:
> At 09:01 AM 6/20/01 -0700, Jan Heiling wrote:
> >Second, the IGI. I can accept the error factor for sure, especially in
> the Ancestral File, however I am lead to believe that the errors one finds
> in the IGI would be more along the lines of transcription types since these
> are suppose to be from records of origin source <<
>
> Not strictly true. MANY of the IGI records are from the SAME sources as
> the Ancestral File. That is they were submitted by well meaning but
> sometimes mistaken researchers. Not all the information in the IGI is from
> primary sources.
<snip>
Orin,
I certainly do agree with you on all your points ... I had the case for one of
three people I had been talking about who has been in the IGI for years. Going
back to the originator I found 'how and where' the data came from for their
'Patron Sheets'. Our ancestor was never included in the Ancestral File because
they did not include her husband as part of their line.
I have just gone back 'again' and done some more research in the IGI to try and
establish how or where LDS got this woman's parents info, the names are correct
but the dates do not make sense. I plead quilty in not knowing the exact data
fields for a 'Patron Sheet', I have never seen one ... but on both the 'IGI
microfiche' of 1988 and 1992 there is no field display for 'Parents'. What am
I missing here? Is there a field for Parents? Perhaps someone here knows.
What I have found by going back is that the individual records for her parents
as well as the marriage record have to have been LDS generated for this recent
release of the IGI 4.0; there are no supporting references. The parents names
and dates must have been extrapulated from the original IGI marriage entry of
their daughter, ie marriage in 1831 minus 21 (legal age) equals birth 'Abt
1810' and parents married 'Abt 1805'. She was from Windsor, Nova Scota and the
parents marriage show 'Of Windsor, Nova Scotia'. Appears to me that there
must be a field for parents on the Patron Sheet but not presented for viewing
in the IGI, online or michrofiche. This scenario certainly fits with another
birth in the family which I still have not found the source for.
I would be interested if anyone else has observed a similar situation/pattern
to this.
Regards,
Jan
At 12:05 AM 6/20/01 -0700, Jan Heiling wrote:
>>There were Coburns who came over to Nova Scotia, Cumberland Co, from
Scotland and/or Ireland in the timeframe you mention. There also were
Coburns in NB and Ontario. As I recall the Ontario Coburns has some named
Francis, an artist. If interested in Ont., I can dig through my notes.<<
I would be. This family has eluded me for a long time. Not that I have
had any real time to research it. It is just one of those unanswered
puzzles that keeps tickling me.
Orin R. Wells
Wells Family Research Association
P. O. Box 5427
Kent, Washington 98064-5427
<OrinWells(a)wells.org>
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In a message dated 6/20/2001 4:18:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
janheil(a)qwest.net writes:
<< . the marriage record in the recent IGI held a lot of
surprises. >>Abt. 1805, Francis COBURN and Catherine McLEAN, of Windsor,
Hants County, Nova Scotia
>>
Some notes about the IGI
The IGI has a lot of errors and date estimates in it, as the information in
many cases is submitted by descendants base on oral history. After looking
at the following entries for Coburn in Nova Scotia, I found the following . .
.
Sarah COBURN Sex: F Event(s): Birth: Abt. 1810 Of, Windsor, Hants,
Nova Scotia Parents: Father: Francis COBURN Mother: Catherine MCLEAN
Francis COBURN Sex: M Event(s): Birth: Abt. 1780 Of, Windsor,
Hants, Nova Scotia [No parents listed]
Francis COBURN Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Catherine MCLEAN
Marriage: Abt. 1805 Of, Windsor, Hants, Nova Scotia
It looks to me that some descendant of Sarah has possibly submitted the
information, or it could be a descendant of a lateral line without much
information on this branch of the family. . . . such as "Francis married
Catherine McLean, they had a daughter Sarah, they lived in Windsor, Nova
Scotia,", etc., and the resulting entries on the IGI are purely estimated
dates. Note that the location is "OF Windsor, Hants, Nova Scotia",
indicating that they resided there, not necessarily that they were married
there, or that Sarah was even born there. The information might also have
been submitted by someone who reported all instances of the Coburn name that
they came across in their research, and might not be a relative at all.
The source for this information is listed as Film Number 6142817, and I could
not pull up a description of this film, other than it is a Fiche card and not
a film reel. I could not find an Ancestral File on this family, either, nor
a name of a submitter. However I went back to the IGI, input Coburn as a
last name, North America as a region, and the Film Number 6142817, and the
resulting list is lots of Coburns, well over 200 of them. Perusing this list
might help in your research. Also, you could go to your local Family History
Center Library (located at Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints church
building) and rent the fiche from the Salt Lake library for a nominal fee, i
think about $3.00. There is a list of Library branch locations at the
familysearch.org website.
Hope my observations help . . .
Shari Bruce
Raleigh, NC
If Francis and Catherine were indeed married abt. 1805, Michael was
illegitimate..I really don't think so. Could be a possibility, but from what
I understand from the letters and all, Catherine was rather religious. Your
input?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Heiling [mailto:janheil@qwest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:30 AM
To: COBURN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [COBURN] Old Swedes'Church marriages
Greetings,
Looking for help identifying any of the following people? Perhaps
someone has come across them in their research elsewhere:
Volume I Marriage Record of the SwedesChurch, (Gloria Dei.),
Philadelphia 1750-1810
1775, Jan 23, Coburn, James, and Sarah Hayes
1775, Dec 2, Coburn, Ann, and William Humphreys
1784, Aug. 10, Coburn, Hannah, and James Whitehard.
[She is the d/o John Coburn, the Rigger of Philadelphia]
1792, Oct. 20, Coburn, Rebecca, and Daniel OBrian.
Abt. 1805, Francis COBURN and Catherine McLEAN, of Windsor, Hants
County, Nova Scotia
[my 3g's]
Does anyone have a PA/MD/NJ Coburn death date around 1805? I suspect
that my 3g's made a trip to Philadelphia where they both knew people
from before the Rev War.
Thanks for your time,
Jan
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At 08:29 AM 6/19/01 -0700, Jan Heiling wrote:
>Greetings,
>Abt. 1805, Francis COBURN and Catherine McLEAN, of Windsor, Hants
>County, Nova Scotia
> [my 3g's]
Jan,
Did this couple have a son Francis? If so, what do you know about his
children? My great-grandfather was named Frank Coburn Millard. His mother
was a Mary Gean Coburn b: Cir 1830 who, family tradition says, was a
Scottish lady born in Canada. I take this to mean that at least one of her
parents was probably from Scotland.
Orin R. Wells
Wells Family Research Association
P. O. Box 5427
Kent, Washington 98064-5427
<OrinWells(a)wells.org>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/wfrahome.html
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Greetings,
Looking for help identifying any of the following people? Perhaps
someone has come across them in their research elsewhere:
Volume I Marriage Record of the SwedesChurch, (Gloria Dei.),
Philadelphia 1750-1810
1775, Jan 23, Coburn, James, and Sarah Hayes
1775, Dec 2, Coburn, Ann, and William Humphreys
1784, Aug. 10, Coburn, Hannah, and James Whitehard.
[She is the d/o John Coburn, the Rigger of Philadelphia]
1792, Oct. 20, Coburn, Rebecca, and Daniel OBrian.
Abt. 1805, Francis COBURN and Catherine McLEAN, of Windsor, Hants
County, Nova Scotia
[my 3g's]
Does anyone have a PA/MD/NJ Coburn death date around 1805? I suspect
that my 3g's made a trip to Philadelphia where they both knew people
from before the Rev War.
Thanks for your time,
Jan