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Author: sturguess2001
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My family is looking for the surviving family of a Mr. "Cotton" Coble who lived around Red River Co., TX 1n
the 40's. He fathered a child named Sandra. Her mother was Naomi Harvey. We only have his nickname and know he was a Car Dealer in many TX. cities. ALL the above mentioned persons named here are deceased. His g.children need to know
about him and his medical history please. Thank You, Ann Moorefield Beck
Seminole, Gaines Co., TX
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I trace to David Coble and Philipena Troxler of Guilford County. I will
see what I can dig up for you. Most of the Cobles named sons the same names
as other cousins, brothers, etc. p nesbit
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> Surnames: COBLE, CARPENTER, ADAMS
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> I have a Philipena COBLE, daughter of Jacob and Elizabeth of NC, who was
> born in NC or TN around 1815 and moved with her parents to Brown, Morgan,
> IN, where she married Perry CARPENTER around 1835. Philipena and Perry had
> several children. Then around 1850 Philipena and her parents and brother
> Abner COBLE moved to Muscatine, IA, where Philipena later married Asa
> ADAMS and had another bunch of kids. Philipena died in Sarpy, NE.
>
> I would appreciate any info on these Cobles and am happy to share what I
> know.
>
> I would especially like to know Jacob Coble's parents. I think they may be
> David Coble and Philipena Troxler of Guilford, NC.
>
> Thank you!
>
> --Karen Adams
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Author: karenadams2105
Surnames: COBLE, CARPENTER, ADAMS
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I have a Philipena COBLE, daughter of Jacob and Elizabeth of NC, who was born in NC or TN around 1815 and moved with her parents to Brown, Morgan, IN, where she married Perry CARPENTER around 1835. Philipena and Perry had several children. Then around 1850 Philipena and her parents and brother Abner COBLE moved to Muscatine, IA, where Philipena later married Asa ADAMS and had another bunch of kids. Philipena died in Sarpy, NE.
I would appreciate any info on these Cobles and am happy to share what I know.
I would especially like to know Jacob Coble's parents. I think they may be David Coble and Philipena Troxler of Guilford, NC.
Thank you!
--Karen Adams
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Author: marilyns1952
Surnames: Coble, Thomas
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My great, great grandmother Alsea Thomas was born in 1860 in Illnois. Her father was George Washington Thomas born 1832 in Tenn. My mother has recorded Caroline Coble as Alsea's mother. There is a Sweanna listed as a wife born in 1843 from Tenn. in a census. I'm confused. Can anyone help me with Caroline Cobble?
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The Cobles came in 1733 on the ship "Hope". They left from Hoffenheim. It
would be interesting to know if the villages were close in location (walking
distance) in Germany and if they might have know the other families. I do
not know where the Kimes settled when they arrived in Pennsylvania. The
Cobles are noted in Lancaster County church records. p. nesbit
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From: "Diana Davis" <ddavis59(a)sc.rr.com>
To: "Keim" <Keim-l(a)rootsweb.com>; <kime(a)rootsweb.com>; <coble(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 6:53 AM
Subject: [COBLE] FW: PML Search Result matching Kime
>I thought I would send this entire message from the CAGLE List because of
> the Palentine reference which made me think there could have been
> KEIM/KIMEs
> COBLEs or others leaving that area in Germany around 1732 when this
> happened.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pmlbounce(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:pmlbounce@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
> Ann Allan
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:17 PM
> To: ddavis59(a)sc.rr.com
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> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Kegel/Cagle from Holland?
>
>
>
> Added by Ann Wilkes Allan, a descendant of Leonhart Cagle. She descends
> through Leonhart Cagle, David, George, Charles Robert, Millie Elizabeth
> Cagle m: Lewis P. Brown b: 11/27/1845 Albemarle, Stanly Co., NC d:
> 11/27/1918 Stanly Co., NC; Mitchell/Michel Brown Calvin Brown b: 3/7/1877
> Stanley Co., Norwood, NC d: 11/24/1967 m: Elizabeth C. "Nezzie" Brown (my
> g-grandmother); James Samuel Brown ( my grandfather) b: 1/2/1902 Hoke Co.
> NC
> d: 2/1/1959 Hoke Co., NC m: Nettie May Lamb (my grandmother), their
> daughter, Martha Elizabeth "Libby" Wilkes (my mother) b: b: 12/15/1934
> Hoke
> Co., NC d: 2/9/2007, NC who m: James Lewis Wilkes, still living.
>
> Ann Wilkes Allan
>
>
> Taken from the Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry's, (July 1987 pg. 2)
> by;
> John G. Cagle of Little Rock , Arkansas:
>
> Leonhart Kegell , (Leonard Cagle), his wife Susanna and their family , and
> other members of the Reformed Lutherans , left Mehlingen, Germany to bring
> their familys to America (Mehlingen is 8m- N.E. of Kaiserslautern, on B40)
> they went down the Rhine River to Rotterdam, Holland, they then took the
> ship called the Loyal Judith Via Cowes England, then from there to the
> Port
> of Philadelphia PA. and landed September 25, 1732. According to English
> speaking Captians and Port officials and others and by the German
> Immigrants
> themselves. There were 119 Palentine men and their families, and they were
> accompanied by a Lutheran Minister, named was Johannes Christian Schultz.
> When the immigrants landed in the Port of Philadelphia, each of the head
> of
> household on board and any on the age of 16 and older were taken to that
> the
> Oath of Allegiance to the province and State of Pennsylvania. (Leonharts
> children would not have been old enough to be on the list. I think William
> would have been !
> the oldest son, and he would have only been around ten or so. and the
> daughter would not have been on the list if she came to America because
> she
> was a female.) (The information will be in the Colonial records Vol III,
> on
> page 457, ) They did have a language problem and that's was why there was
> a
> problem with the spelling of their names, and there was more than one
> person
> putting their names on different lists. Who ever was putting there names
> down spelled them the way they thought it should be, thats why names are
> spelled in different ways on these lists. Leonhart's name was spelled two
> different ways on the passenger list,
> The German Settlers were all industrious, econmical, and thrifty famers,
> they were not afraid , nor ashamed of hard work, When Leonhart Kegel
> arrived
> in Philadephia County, they settled , and bought land in Berks County,
> PA..The first settlement by Germans was about 1734, and organized in 1752,
> this became the the Capital of Reading. The name Berks County Was derived
> form Berks County, England. There was a man named Henrich Krehenhull, who
> changed his name to Henry Graybill Jr. who also lived in Mehlingen,
> Germany
> , the same time as did Leonhart and his family. Henry Graybill Jr. lived
> in
> Lancaster county, PA. and later moved to Hancock County, GA. (not sure if
> he
> came over on the same ship, as did Leonhart ?) It is not known if Leonhart
> and Susanna died in PA. , or moved with sons to North Carolina ?.
>
> Leonhart Kegel had a large black hat , he wore most of the time , he
> handed
> the hat down to his son John "Dutchman" Kegel , who died 1799 in North
> Carolina . John "Dutchman" handed the hat down to his youngest son ,
> William
> who was born 1788-1860. William passed the hat down to his son Isaac, who
> was born 1790-1860. Isaac gave the hat to his oldest son John Westley ,
> who
> in turn handed it down to his brother Spinks. Spinks then gave the hat to
> his sister , who sold the hat to Neil Isaac Andrew Cagle , he in turn gave
> the the hat to Bob Baker who donated the Hat to the Rocky Mt. Museum. (I
> have seen a photo of the hat, it looks like a big top hat.) and is still
> in
> the museum.
>
> There was also a chair that Leonhart would stand on while waiting for his
> father to come home from work. This chair was also donated to a Museum ,
> (Not the same Museum.) and this Museum later burned down , this Museum was
> in PA. , so there must have been some of his children and or grandchildren
> who stayed in PA.
>
> Leonhart Kegel was the ancestor of Americans numbering some 17,000 ,
> individuals, plus. Thousands of other desendents who bear other surnames.
>
> It was not uncommon for German people to be known by more than one name,
> since they used there middle names.
>
> It has been said that the Kegel's changed the spelling of their names when
> they moved to North Carolina
>
> Leonhart owned 200 acre tact of land on 11 October 1737 in Alsace
> Township,
> Berks County, PA. In the year 1748 Leonhart vacated his homestead in
> Alsace
> and moved a few miles distant ot Brecknock Township, Berks County,
> Leonhart
> is said to have died about 1754 in Brecknock Township, Berks County, PA.
> (Oley was next to Alsace)
>
>
> Ancient Pennsylvania Landmarks Known to Leonhart Kegel, 1732-54
> Oley Township, Berks County, PA
>
> Oley Township, a few miles east of Reading, in Berks Co., PA, is the only
> township in America which has been added to the National Register of
> Historic Places, as an entire Township. Its settlement dates back as far
> as
> 1699, and it ancient German and French Huguenot homesteads have building
> standing dated from 1706. It was already a generation old, and a thriving
> settlement, when the Cagles arrived from Germany in 1730s; and was nearly
> a
> half-century old when John "Dutchman" Cagle lived in Oley in the early
> 1750s. Leonhart Kegel, the 1732 immigrant, and believed to be father of
> John
> "Dutchman" Cagle, acquired land in Oley Township in 1737; at that time,
> however, old Oley Township encompassed more territory than does the
> present
> Oley Twp., and section in which Leonhart lived was later made into Alsace
> Township.
> The economy of Oley Township was based, originally, on farming in the
> broad
> Oley Valley, and on iron-working in the scenic hills which ring the
> valley.
> Of the iron furnaces and forges in Oley, perhaps the most famous was that
> of
> Iarger Family (later Anglicized to "Hunter"), headed by Nicholas Hunter.
> In
> an obscure court case, dating for 1753, Berks Co. records show that
> Nicholas
> Hunter, on one occasion, filed suite against a John Kegle, believed to be
> John "Dutchman" Cagle, who later moved to North Carolina in 1754-55.
> Oldest
> homestead in Oley is that of Johannes Keim, built 1706; he was the
> ancestor
> of the Kime family of Guilford Co., NC. Oley Township furnished a number
> of
> families to central North Carolina during the 1740s adn 1750s including
> the
> Keim, Cagle, and Stutts Families. (The Nicholas Hunter homestead in Oley
> Twp., near the ruins of the famed Oley Forge. The Oley Lutheran Church
> stands nearby, but its early recors are lost. One of the most memorable
> sights in the!
> city of Reading, Berks Co., PA, is Alsace Hill in the northern part of
> town, capped by the twin towers of the Alsace Lutheran and Alsace German
> Reformed Churches. The two churches, identical in construction, stand on
> either side of a common parking lot, and share a common graveyard. From
> date
> of founding in 1732, until construction of the present buildings in 1907,
> the two congrrefations worshipped in a single building, at alternatin
> times,
> under a "Union Church" arrangement.
> The Alsace churches stand on the homestead of Dewalt Baum, closest
> neighbor
> of Leonhart Cagle, during Leonard's period of residence, 1737-1748, in
> Alsace Township. The Cagles may will have been members of the Alsace
> Lutheran Church, but this cannot be verified, as early records of the
> Church
> have been lost.
> There is a replica of the original Alsace Church building, which served
> the
> congragtion form ca1737-1753 replaced by a stone church in 1753. The log
> church was in use during the period of Leonard Cagle's residence in the
> township, and stood about a quarter-mile from his home. The present Alsace
> Lutheran Church, in use since 1907. and identical building, standing
> adjacent, is the German Ref. church.
> Here is a paragraph from the published history of the Alsace Church
> describes the expansion of the Church in the era of 1748-1754. In 1748,
> the
> year of the founding of Reading, PA, Leonard Cagle, vacted his homstead in
> Alsace and move a few miles distant to Brecknock Township, in Berks Co.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ecagle1(a)bellsouth.net<mailto:ecagle1@bellsouth.net>
> To: Cagle Website<mailto:CAGLE@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:45 PM
> Subject: [CAGLE] Kegel/Cagle from Holland?
>
>
> I think there is some confusion regarding the Kegel/Cagle line being from
> Holland. To begin with the surname spelling of Kegel is absolute German
> and
> has little resemblance to a Dutch spelling. Records indicate that
> Leonhart
> sailed from Rotterdam which is a Holland port and along with Amsterdam
> were
> major ports of departure from Europe to America and later the United
> States.
> Jennifer is correct on the confusion of people with the nickname of
> "Dutch"
> or "Dutchman" being mistakenly identified with Holland just because they
> spoke "Deutsch" which translates to "German". Somewhere in all this
> exchange was a definition of "Kegel", which I am not sure is correct.
> "Maker of mantles with cowl" was the definition, this is would be a cloak
> with a hood. I am given to sticking with the German definition of "Kegel"
> being a bowling pin. Before it was used as a bowing pin it was a tool and
> possibly a war club or weapon for defense. These are my thoughts some
> based
> on research som!
> e !
> on conj
> ecture. Believe what you will, with my best wishes, Earl Cagle
>
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Thank you for sharing this bit of history. It is nice to have some activity
on this list. p nesbit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Davis" <ddavis59(a)sc.rr.com>
To: "Keim" <Keim-l(a)rootsweb.com>; <kime(a)rootsweb.com>; <coble(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 6:53 AM
Subject: [COBLE] FW: PML Search Result matching Kime
>I thought I would send this entire message from the CAGLE List because of
> the Palentine reference which made me think there could have been
> KEIM/KIMEs
> COBLEs or others leaving that area in Germany around 1732 when this
> happened.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pmlbounce(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:pmlbounce@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
> Ann Allan
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:17 PM
> To: ddavis59(a)sc.rr.com
> Subject: PML Search Result matching Kime
>
> =====================================================================
> A result of your requested PML search. To refine or cancel this
> search, please visit http://pml.rootsweb.com/
> =====================================================================
> Source: CAGLE(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Kegel/Cagle from Holland?
>
>
>
> Added by Ann Wilkes Allan, a descendant of Leonhart Cagle. She descends
> through Leonhart Cagle, David, George, Charles Robert, Millie Elizabeth
> Cagle m: Lewis P. Brown b: 11/27/1845 Albemarle, Stanly Co., NC d:
> 11/27/1918 Stanly Co., NC; Mitchell/Michel Brown Calvin Brown b: 3/7/1877
> Stanley Co., Norwood, NC d: 11/24/1967 m: Elizabeth C. "Nezzie" Brown (my
> g-grandmother); James Samuel Brown ( my grandfather) b: 1/2/1902 Hoke Co.
> NC
> d: 2/1/1959 Hoke Co., NC m: Nettie May Lamb (my grandmother), their
> daughter, Martha Elizabeth "Libby" Wilkes (my mother) b: b: 12/15/1934
> Hoke
> Co., NC d: 2/9/2007, NC who m: James Lewis Wilkes, still living.
>
> Ann Wilkes Allan
>
>
> Taken from the Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry's, (July 1987 pg. 2)
> by;
> John G. Cagle of Little Rock , Arkansas:
>
> Leonhart Kegell , (Leonard Cagle), his wife Susanna and their family , and
> other members of the Reformed Lutherans , left Mehlingen, Germany to bring
> their familys to America (Mehlingen is 8m- N.E. of Kaiserslautern, on B40)
> they went down the Rhine River to Rotterdam, Holland, they then took the
> ship called the Loyal Judith Via Cowes England, then from there to the
> Port
> of Philadelphia PA. and landed September 25, 1732. According to English
> speaking Captians and Port officials and others and by the German
> Immigrants
> themselves. There were 119 Palentine men and their families, and they were
> accompanied by a Lutheran Minister, named was Johannes Christian Schultz.
> When the immigrants landed in the Port of Philadelphia, each of the head
> of
> household on board and any on the age of 16 and older were taken to that
> the
> Oath of Allegiance to the province and State of Pennsylvania. (Leonharts
> children would not have been old enough to be on the list. I think William
> would have been !
> the oldest son, and he would have only been around ten or so. and the
> daughter would not have been on the list if she came to America because
> she
> was a female.) (The information will be in the Colonial records Vol III,
> on
> page 457, ) They did have a language problem and that's was why there was
> a
> problem with the spelling of their names, and there was more than one
> person
> putting their names on different lists. Who ever was putting there names
> down spelled them the way they thought it should be, thats why names are
> spelled in different ways on these lists. Leonhart's name was spelled two
> different ways on the passenger list,
> The German Settlers were all industrious, econmical, and thrifty famers,
> they were not afraid , nor ashamed of hard work, When Leonhart Kegel
> arrived
> in Philadephia County, they settled , and bought land in Berks County,
> PA..The first settlement by Germans was about 1734, and organized in 1752,
> this became the the Capital of Reading. The name Berks County Was derived
> form Berks County, England. There was a man named Henrich Krehenhull, who
> changed his name to Henry Graybill Jr. who also lived in Mehlingen,
> Germany
> , the same time as did Leonhart and his family. Henry Graybill Jr. lived
> in
> Lancaster county, PA. and later moved to Hancock County, GA. (not sure if
> he
> came over on the same ship, as did Leonhart ?) It is not known if Leonhart
> and Susanna died in PA. , or moved with sons to North Carolina ?.
>
> Leonhart Kegel had a large black hat , he wore most of the time , he
> handed
> the hat down to his son John "Dutchman" Kegel , who died 1799 in North
> Carolina . John "Dutchman" handed the hat down to his youngest son ,
> William
> who was born 1788-1860. William passed the hat down to his son Isaac, who
> was born 1790-1860. Isaac gave the hat to his oldest son John Westley ,
> who
> in turn handed it down to his brother Spinks. Spinks then gave the hat to
> his sister , who sold the hat to Neil Isaac Andrew Cagle , he in turn gave
> the the hat to Bob Baker who donated the Hat to the Rocky Mt. Museum. (I
> have seen a photo of the hat, it looks like a big top hat.) and is still
> in
> the museum.
>
> There was also a chair that Leonhart would stand on while waiting for his
> father to come home from work. This chair was also donated to a Museum ,
> (Not the same Museum.) and this Museum later burned down , this Museum was
> in PA. , so there must have been some of his children and or grandchildren
> who stayed in PA.
>
> Leonhart Kegel was the ancestor of Americans numbering some 17,000 ,
> individuals, plus. Thousands of other desendents who bear other surnames.
>
> It was not uncommon for German people to be known by more than one name,
> since they used there middle names.
>
> It has been said that the Kegel's changed the spelling of their names when
> they moved to North Carolina
>
> Leonhart owned 200 acre tact of land on 11 October 1737 in Alsace
> Township,
> Berks County, PA. In the year 1748 Leonhart vacated his homestead in
> Alsace
> and moved a few miles distant ot Brecknock Township, Berks County,
> Leonhart
> is said to have died about 1754 in Brecknock Township, Berks County, PA.
> (Oley was next to Alsace)
>
>
> Ancient Pennsylvania Landmarks Known to Leonhart Kegel, 1732-54
> Oley Township, Berks County, PA
>
> Oley Township, a few miles east of Reading, in Berks Co., PA, is the only
> township in America which has been added to the National Register of
> Historic Places, as an entire Township. Its settlement dates back as far
> as
> 1699, and it ancient German and French Huguenot homesteads have building
> standing dated from 1706. It was already a generation old, and a thriving
> settlement, when the Cagles arrived from Germany in 1730s; and was nearly
> a
> half-century old when John "Dutchman" Cagle lived in Oley in the early
> 1750s. Leonhart Kegel, the 1732 immigrant, and believed to be father of
> John
> "Dutchman" Cagle, acquired land in Oley Township in 1737; at that time,
> however, old Oley Township encompassed more territory than does the
> present
> Oley Twp., and section in which Leonhart lived was later made into Alsace
> Township.
> The economy of Oley Township was based, originally, on farming in the
> broad
> Oley Valley, and on iron-working in the scenic hills which ring the
> valley.
> Of the iron furnaces and forges in Oley, perhaps the most famous was that
> of
> Iarger Family (later Anglicized to "Hunter"), headed by Nicholas Hunter.
> In
> an obscure court case, dating for 1753, Berks Co. records show that
> Nicholas
> Hunter, on one occasion, filed suite against a John Kegle, believed to be
> John "Dutchman" Cagle, who later moved to North Carolina in 1754-55.
> Oldest
> homestead in Oley is that of Johannes Keim, built 1706; he was the
> ancestor
> of the Kime family of Guilford Co., NC. Oley Township furnished a number
> of
> families to central North Carolina during the 1740s adn 1750s including
> the
> Keim, Cagle, and Stutts Families. (The Nicholas Hunter homestead in Oley
> Twp., near the ruins of the famed Oley Forge. The Oley Lutheran Church
> stands nearby, but its early recors are lost. One of the most memorable
> sights in the!
> city of Reading, Berks Co., PA, is Alsace Hill in the northern part of
> town, capped by the twin towers of the Alsace Lutheran and Alsace German
> Reformed Churches. The two churches, identical in construction, stand on
> either side of a common parking lot, and share a common graveyard. From
> date
> of founding in 1732, until construction of the present buildings in 1907,
> the two congrrefations worshipped in a single building, at alternatin
> times,
> under a "Union Church" arrangement.
> The Alsace churches stand on the homestead of Dewalt Baum, closest
> neighbor
> of Leonhart Cagle, during Leonard's period of residence, 1737-1748, in
> Alsace Township. The Cagles may will have been members of the Alsace
> Lutheran Church, but this cannot be verified, as early records of the
> Church
> have been lost.
> There is a replica of the original Alsace Church building, which served
> the
> congragtion form ca1737-1753 replaced by a stone church in 1753. The log
> church was in use during the period of Leonard Cagle's residence in the
> township, and stood about a quarter-mile from his home. The present Alsace
> Lutheran Church, in use since 1907. and identical building, standing
> adjacent, is the German Ref. church.
> Here is a paragraph from the published history of the Alsace Church
> describes the expansion of the Church in the era of 1748-1754. In 1748,
> the
> year of the founding of Reading, PA, Leonard Cagle, vacted his homstead in
> Alsace and move a few miles distant to Brecknock Township, in Berks Co.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ecagle1(a)bellsouth.net<mailto:ecagle1@bellsouth.net>
> To: Cagle Website<mailto:CAGLE@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:45 PM
> Subject: [CAGLE] Kegel/Cagle from Holland?
>
>
> I think there is some confusion regarding the Kegel/Cagle line being from
> Holland. To begin with the surname spelling of Kegel is absolute German
> and
> has little resemblance to a Dutch spelling. Records indicate that
> Leonhart
> sailed from Rotterdam which is a Holland port and along with Amsterdam
> were
> major ports of departure from Europe to America and later the United
> States.
> Jennifer is correct on the confusion of people with the nickname of
> "Dutch"
> or "Dutchman" being mistakenly identified with Holland just because they
> spoke "Deutsch" which translates to "German". Somewhere in all this
> exchange was a definition of "Kegel", which I am not sure is correct.
> "Maker of mantles with cowl" was the definition, this is would be a cloak
> with a hood. I am given to sticking with the German definition of "Kegel"
> being a bowling pin. Before it was used as a bowing pin it was a tool and
> possibly a war club or weapon for defense. These are my thoughts some
> based
> on research som!
> e !
> on conj
> ecture. Believe what you will, with my best wishes, Earl Cagle
>
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I thought I would send this entire message from the CAGLE List because of
the Palentine reference which made me think there could have been KEIM/KIMEs
COBLEs or others leaving that area in Germany around 1732 when this
happened.
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Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Kegel/Cagle from Holland?
Added by Ann Wilkes Allan, a descendant of Leonhart Cagle. She descends
through Leonhart Cagle, David, George, Charles Robert, Millie Elizabeth
Cagle m: Lewis P. Brown b: 11/27/1845 Albemarle, Stanly Co., NC d:
11/27/1918 Stanly Co., NC; Mitchell/Michel Brown Calvin Brown b: 3/7/1877
Stanley Co., Norwood, NC d: 11/24/1967 m: Elizabeth C. "Nezzie" Brown (my
g-grandmother); James Samuel Brown ( my grandfather) b: 1/2/1902 Hoke Co. NC
d: 2/1/1959 Hoke Co., NC m: Nettie May Lamb (my grandmother), their
daughter, Martha Elizabeth "Libby" Wilkes (my mother) b: b: 12/15/1934 Hoke
Co., NC d: 2/9/2007, NC who m: James Lewis Wilkes, still living.
Ann Wilkes Allan
Taken from the Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry's, (July 1987 pg. 2) by;
John G. Cagle of Little Rock , Arkansas:
Leonhart Kegell , (Leonard Cagle), his wife Susanna and their family , and
other members of the Reformed Lutherans , left Mehlingen, Germany to bring
their familys to America (Mehlingen is 8m- N.E. of Kaiserslautern, on B40)
they went down the Rhine River to Rotterdam, Holland, they then took the
ship called the Loyal Judith Via Cowes England, then from there to the Port
of Philadelphia PA. and landed September 25, 1732. According to English
speaking Captians and Port officials and others and by the German Immigrants
themselves. There were 119 Palentine men and their families, and they were
accompanied by a Lutheran Minister, named was Johannes Christian Schultz.
When the immigrants landed in the Port of Philadelphia, each of the head of
household on board and any on the age of 16 and older were taken to that the
Oath of Allegiance to the province and State of Pennsylvania. (Leonharts
children would not have been old enough to be on the list. I think William
would have been !
the oldest son, and he would have only been around ten or so. and the
daughter would not have been on the list if she came to America because she
was a female.) (The information will be in the Colonial records Vol III, on
page 457, ) They did have a language problem and that's was why there was a
problem with the spelling of their names, and there was more than one person
putting their names on different lists. Who ever was putting there names
down spelled them the way they thought it should be, thats why names are
spelled in different ways on these lists. Leonhart's name was spelled two
different ways on the passenger list,
The German Settlers were all industrious, econmical, and thrifty famers,
they were not afraid , nor ashamed of hard work, When Leonhart Kegel arrived
in Philadephia County, they settled , and bought land in Berks County,
PA..The first settlement by Germans was about 1734, and organized in 1752,
this became the the Capital of Reading. The name Berks County Was derived
form Berks County, England. There was a man named Henrich Krehenhull, who
changed his name to Henry Graybill Jr. who also lived in Mehlingen, Germany
, the same time as did Leonhart and his family. Henry Graybill Jr. lived in
Lancaster county, PA. and later moved to Hancock County, GA. (not sure if he
came over on the same ship, as did Leonhart ?) It is not known if Leonhart
and Susanna died in PA. , or moved with sons to North Carolina ?.
Leonhart Kegel had a large black hat , he wore most of the time , he handed
the hat down to his son John "Dutchman" Kegel , who died 1799 in North
Carolina . John "Dutchman" handed the hat down to his youngest son , William
who was born 1788-1860. William passed the hat down to his son Isaac, who
was born 1790-1860. Isaac gave the hat to his oldest son John Westley , who
in turn handed it down to his brother Spinks. Spinks then gave the hat to
his sister , who sold the hat to Neil Isaac Andrew Cagle , he in turn gave
the the hat to Bob Baker who donated the Hat to the Rocky Mt. Museum. (I
have seen a photo of the hat, it looks like a big top hat.) and is still in
the museum.
There was also a chair that Leonhart would stand on while waiting for his
father to come home from work. This chair was also donated to a Museum ,
(Not the same Museum.) and this Museum later burned down , this Museum was
in PA. , so there must have been some of his children and or grandchildren
who stayed in PA.
Leonhart Kegel was the ancestor of Americans numbering some 17,000 ,
individuals, plus. Thousands of other desendents who bear other surnames.
It was not uncommon for German people to be known by more than one name,
since they used there middle names.
It has been said that the Kegel's changed the spelling of their names when
they moved to North Carolina
Leonhart owned 200 acre tact of land on 11 October 1737 in Alsace Township,
Berks County, PA. In the year 1748 Leonhart vacated his homestead in Alsace
and moved a few miles distant ot Brecknock Township, Berks County, Leonhart
is said to have died about 1754 in Brecknock Township, Berks County, PA.
(Oley was next to Alsace)
Ancient Pennsylvania Landmarks Known to Leonhart Kegel, 1732-54
Oley Township, Berks County, PA
Oley Township, a few miles east of Reading, in Berks Co., PA, is the only
township in America which has been added to the National Register of
Historic Places, as an entire Township. Its settlement dates back as far as
1699, and it ancient German and French Huguenot homesteads have building
standing dated from 1706. It was already a generation old, and a thriving
settlement, when the Cagles arrived from Germany in 1730s; and was nearly a
half-century old when John "Dutchman" Cagle lived in Oley in the early
1750s. Leonhart Kegel, the 1732 immigrant, and believed to be father of John
"Dutchman" Cagle, acquired land in Oley Township in 1737; at that time,
however, old Oley Township encompassed more territory than does the present
Oley Twp., and section in which Leonhart lived was later made into Alsace
Township.
The economy of Oley Township was based, originally, on farming in the broad
Oley Valley, and on iron-working in the scenic hills which ring the valley.
Of the iron furnaces and forges in Oley, perhaps the most famous was that of
Iarger Family (later Anglicized to "Hunter"), headed by Nicholas Hunter. In
an obscure court case, dating for 1753, Berks Co. records show that Nicholas
Hunter, on one occasion, filed suite against a John Kegle, believed to be
John "Dutchman" Cagle, who later moved to North Carolina in 1754-55. Oldest
homestead in Oley is that of Johannes Keim, built 1706; he was the ancestor
of the Kime family of Guilford Co., NC. Oley Township furnished a number of
families to central North Carolina during the 1740s adn 1750s including the
Keim, Cagle, and Stutts Families. (The Nicholas Hunter homestead in Oley
Twp., near the ruins of the famed Oley Forge. The Oley Lutheran Church
stands nearby, but its early recors are lost. One of the most memorable
sights in the!
city of Reading, Berks Co., PA, is Alsace Hill in the northern part of
town, capped by the twin towers of the Alsace Lutheran and Alsace German
Reformed Churches. The two churches, identical in construction, stand on
either side of a common parking lot, and share a common graveyard. From date
of founding in 1732, until construction of the present buildings in 1907,
the two congrrefations worshipped in a single building, at alternatin times,
under a "Union Church" arrangement.
The Alsace churches stand on the homestead of Dewalt Baum, closest neighbor
of Leonhart Cagle, during Leonard's period of residence, 1737-1748, in
Alsace Township. The Cagles may will have been members of the Alsace
Lutheran Church, but this cannot be verified, as early records of the Church
have been lost.
There is a replica of the original Alsace Church building, which served the
congragtion form ca1737-1753 replaced by a stone church in 1753. The log
church was in use during the period of Leonard Cagle's residence in the
township, and stood about a quarter-mile from his home. The present Alsace
Lutheran Church, in use since 1907. and identical building, standing
adjacent, is the German Ref. church.
Here is a paragraph from the published history of the Alsace Church
describes the expansion of the Church in the era of 1748-1754. In 1748, the
year of the founding of Reading, PA, Leonard Cagle, vacted his homstead in
Alsace and move a few miles distant to Brecknock Township, in Berks Co.
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From: ecagle1(a)bellsouth.net<mailto:ecagle1@bellsouth.net>
To: Cagle Website<mailto:CAGLE@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:45 PM
Subject: [CAGLE] Kegel/Cagle from Holland?
I think there is some confusion regarding the Kegel/Cagle line being from
Holland. To begin with the surname spelling of Kegel is absolute German and
has little resemblance to a Dutch spelling. Records indicate that Leonhart
sailed from Rotterdam which is a Holland port and along with Amsterdam were
major ports of departure from Europe to America and later the United States.
Jennifer is correct on the confusion of people with the nickname of "Dutch"
or "Dutchman" being mistakenly identified with Holland just because they
spoke "Deutsch" which translates to "German". Somewhere in all this
exchange was a definition of "Kegel", which I am not sure is correct.
"Maker of mantles with cowl" was the definition, this is would be a cloak
with a hood. I am given to sticking with the German definition of "Kegel"
being a bowling pin. Before it was used as a bowing pin it was a tool and
possibly a war club or weapon for defense. These are my thoughts some based
on research som!
e !
on conj
ecture. Believe what you will, with my best wishes, Earl Cagle
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