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This was posted to the York County list.
Jean
April 27th 1829 Last Will & Testament of Margaret Koble, widow of Christopher
Koble late of Newberry Township in the county of York deceased.
Letters Testamentary on the last Will & Testament of Margaret Koble deceased
granted to Abraham Miller the Executor in said Will named on the 27th day of
April A.D. 1829
"In the Name of the Lord Amen I Margret Koble of Newberry township in the
County of York & State of Pensylvania Widow being in health but by old Eadge
Wick of Body all to of Sonnd mind and understanding, Do this Second day of
May in the year of our Lord one thousand Eight hundred and Eightteen, Make
and publish this My Last will and testament as follows first I commend my
Immorthal Soul into the hands of Allmighty God who gave it me and My body to
the Earth to be decently Buried and as Toutching all my Worldly Estate I give
and devise and bequeath of the Same as follows (To Wit) I order that all my
just Debts to be paid and funerel charges by my Executor, First of all outh
of my astate and I do Nomineade and apoint my Trusty Friend Abraham Miller
the ?sadler? of Newbery Township whom I order Impower and derect by these
presence to Sell by Public or private sale to the best advantage for (for my
children here in named) all that my Now dwelling plantation and tract of Land
situate in the Township aforesaid containing about Forty acres being the same
Land and premisses which I Purchased of Martin Kronmiller and Peter Meyer,
further it is my Will and I direct my aforenamed Executor Abraham Miller to
sell by Publick Vandue all my household goods and Effects whatsoever so that
the whole of my Estate as well Real as parsonal be Converted into Money and
Equally given and distribute to and amongst my six children in Equal share
alike Namly the one si(xth) share wich wud a bin to my daghter Eve Jeined I
give and bequeth to hir two children Elisabeth and Susana My Grand Children
Eage one Equal share out of the Said one si(xth) share I give and devise also
to my children Jacob Margret Barbara Casper and Philip wich I bear unto Late
Huspand Christopher Koble deceased To hold to them my said two grand children
one sixt share and to them my said five children Eadge one sixt share so that
my estate is to be in six shares equal devidet and given to my children in
equal shars alike and there Respective heirs and assigns and I give and
devise to my step son Georg Koble the sum of thirty dallers as for his kire
and kindness to me, And I do hereby Exclude and barr for Ever the heirs and
step children wich are born to the said Christopher Koble dec'd. by his
former wife my will is that they shall not hafe enny shears out of my estate
And I do here by order authorize and Impower my Executor to Make as Good a
deed to the purchaser of my land as I myself may or could do in Testimony
where of I have hereunto set my hand and seal the day and year first above
written."
Margret her "x" mark Koble (seal)
Signed Sealed in the presence of us
Fred.k Stoner
Michael Fittrow
York County SS On the 27th day of April AD 1829. Before me Jacob B. Wentz
Register for the Probate of Wills and granting Letters of Administration in
and for said county, came Michael Fettrow one of the subscribing witnesses to
the foregoing Instrument of Writing who on his Solemn Oath doth depose and
say that Margaret Koble the Testatrix in the said instrument of writing named
some time after the date of said instrument of writing came to the de_onents
own house and presented to him the said instrument and desired him to write
his name thereto as in Witness and at the same time acknowledged her name and
mark to be her hand and seal And that she the said Margaret Koble at the time
of doing this was of sound and disposing mind memory and understanding to the
best of his knowledge and belief. That he also firmly belives that the
signature of Fredk. Stoner as thereto written as witness is his proper hand
writing.
Michael Fettrow (signed)
To anyone who may be interested
Coble's Lutheran Church is going to celebrate its 190th Anniversary this
summer. The first event will be on Pentacost Sunday, May 19, 2002. There
will be a guest speaker, Rev. Edwin Cook, a former pastor of Coble's, with a
covered dish dinner on the grounds. Anyone interested is invited to attend.
Homecoming Sunday is the 3rd Sunday in July, with another covered dish dinner
on the grounds.
Other events to mark this Anniversary are in the planning stages. Anyone
with questions or in need of directions may contact me. I will post any
further information as I get it.
Teresa Coble.
According to the National Genealogical Society Quarterly Dec 1981 Johann
Jacob Kobel (brother to Hans George Gobel) died between Aug 7, 1731 and
March 16, 1732 when his will was filed. So that was one to two years
before Hans George Gobel came to America in 1733. Hans George may have
came to try to help his sister in law and nephew's and nieces. Or he
may have came for a better life for his family. So the family they were
talking about when they said he was coming to family in America was
probably his nephew's and nieces. Zelma
In the book it states that Hans Georg Kobel comes to Pennsylvania to join
family already there. Isn't Johann Jacob Kobel that Cobleskill is named
after a brother to this Hans Georg. So the family fell on hard times and
came to join a brother already here with a home and family.After wht happened
in the Coble massacre, North Carolina probably sounded like a garden of Eden.
But they still had problems with indians after they got here. There is an
old house (later used as a garage that is supposed to still have arrowheads
in it from an indian attack. On the next hill from my house is an indidan
burial ground.
But if I have the connection right, do you think that either Hans Georg sent
word to his brother that they were here, or Jacob knew about when they were
supposed to arrive and had someone waiting for them?
Teresa Coble
> This is too long. It is fine if you decide not to pass it along. P.
Nesbit
>
>
> > I will venture an "educated guess" to one of the questions. To
understand
> the role of the Vassel, one must look at the Feudal System in the Middle
> Ages in Europe. It actually was a step toward democracy and is known as
> the contract theory of government.
>
> There is the strong man (we will call him a Lord) with a big stone castle
> with a moat around it. He has some men who fight with him, but he needs
> more fighters or a larger army in case a stronger Lord comes along to try
to
> take his land and his castle. He enters into a contract with a neighbor
we
> will call a Vassel. This Vassel could be a Lord with his own castle and a
> few fighters. But, he does not think his army or castle could withstand
an
> attack from a strong invader. So, this lesser Lord who becomes the
Vassel
> will agree to serve with the stronger Lord if he is called to fight or go
on
> a Crusade or whatever the need might be.. In return, the strong Lord will
> offer the vassel the protection of his army and his castle. This is very
> simply put, but that is the basis of how it worked. I'll fight for you if
> you will protect me and my holdings... or I'll protect you and your
> holdings, if you will fight for me. They have a contract. The strong
man
> (Lord) could be a King, a Lord, a Prince, an Elector or even a Bishop who
> has large holdings of church lands. In England we deal with Lords and
Dukes
> and Princes and Kings. In the German states, they were often called
> Electors.
>
> When dealing with land that is now Germany, we have to remember that
> Germany was not a country in the 18th Century. It was a loose group of
> States or Principalities headed by a Prince or Elector or Bishop. It was
a
> part of The Holy Roman Empire which was headed by an Emperor and covered
> much of the land in Europe at that time. It began in 800 AD when
> Charlemagne of what became France, a strong man with lots of fighters,
was
> crowned the first Emperor by the Pope in Rome. It ceased to exist with
the
> end of World War I in 1917.
>
> You have had more history lesson than you wanted, but it is necessary to
> understand the relationship of a Vassel to a Lord. The terms changed over
> time (centuries) to different responsibilities in the contract and we do
not
> know what it was in the contract between the Bishop of Speye and Hans
George
> Coble.
> >
> > Since Hans George was a Vassel to a Bishop, I would gather that this
was
> associated
> > with Church held land. My guess (again) is that this would have been
the
> > Catholic Church, but it would depend on who won this particular area in
> the 30 Years
> > War... The Catholic Princes or Electors ended
> > up with control in most of the south eastern part of what is now
Germany
> and the Lutherans ended up with most of the land
> > in what is now northern Germany.
> The Princes, Lords,
> > Knights, and the Kings were all vassels of the Emperor of The Holy Roman
> Empire.
> > They owed him some service in exchange for his protection....or whatever
> the contract was for at that time. (the end of the 17th century and
> beginning of 18th century it would have been different from what might
have
> been expected in the 10th or 14th centuries.
>
> So our Hans George Coble had a contract with the Bishop and he was
released
> from this contract so he could come to America.
>
> He could have been a free holder or he could have been an
> > artisan with a skill who worked for the Bishop and for himself in a
> village or town in the land held by the Bishop (Church).
>
> Probably he owed the Bishop his annual
> > rent dues for his land. Maybe crops had been bad for a few years and he
> had
> > not earned enough to pay his rents. Maybe he was a lazy man who didn't
> > accept his responsibilities. We can assume in any case that the Bishop
> > agreed to let him leave and released him from his contract. He was then
> free to leave.
>
> >
> > At any rate, the trip up the Rhine was not easy or cheap. If you travel
> the
> > Rhine today, you see that there was a castle in every bend and turn of
the
> > river and they would be required to pay a fee to pass over the land or
by
> > the castle by water. Many traveled at night to avoid these fees.
(Each
> > one of these castles was the home of a Prince (Elector) or a Bishop.
> >
> > There was the cost of the ship. Do we know what The Hope charged their
> > passengers? He did have a large family. >>
>
> Do we know who met him and his family when he arrived in
> > Philadelphia? Or, were there others waiting for him in Lancaster or York
> > counties to help him become established in America? Did he buy
> land in Pennsylvania?
> >
> > The land they left is very beautiful. That is what started my interest
in
> > genealogy. I wondered why my people (Guilford County Cobles and Rowan
> > County Millers) left such a beautiful place for the unknown of America.
>
> I hope I have clarified the role of the vassel and that it may help some
> better understand the old world they left in Europe and the idea of the
> contract theory of government that they brought with them to this
> country. The idea of the responsibility of the government to the people
was
> included in our Constitution in 1787.
>
>
>
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patricia" <patcha(a)bellsouth.net>
To: <COBLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 11:26 PM
Subject: Fw: [COBLE] More Information on Speyer
> This is too long. It is fine if you decide not to pass it along. P.
Nesbit
>
>
> > I will venture an "educated guess" to one of the questions. To
understand
> the role of the Vassel, one must look at the Feudal System in the Middle
> Ages in Europe. It actually was a step toward democracy and is known as
> the contract theory of government.
>
> There is the strong man (we will call him a Lord) with a big stone castle
> with a moat around it. He has some men who fight with him, but he needs
> more fighters or a larger army in case a stronger Lord comes along to try
to
> take his land and his castle. He enters into a contract with a neighbor
we
> will call a Vassel. This Vassel could be a Lord with his own castle and a
> few fighters. But, he does not think his army or castle could withstand
an
> attack from a strong invader. So, this lesser Lord who becomes the
Vassel
> will agree to serve with the stronger Lord if he is called to fight or go
on
> a Crusade or whatever the need might be.. In return, the strong Lord will
> offer the vassel the protection of his army and his castle. This is very
> simply put, but that is the basis of how it worked. I'll fight for you if
> you will protect me and my holdings... or I'll protect you and your
> holdings, if you will fight for me. They have a contract. The strong
man
> (Lord) could be a King, a Lord, a Prince, an Elector or even a Bishop who
> has large holdings of church lands. In England we deal with Lords and
Dukes
> and Princes and Kings. In the German states, they were often called
> Electors.
>
> When dealing with land that is now Germany, we have to remember that
> Germany was not a country in the 18th Century. It was a loose group of
> States or Principalities headed by a Prince or Elector or Bishop. It was
a
> part of The Holy Roman Empire which was headed by an Emperor and covered
> much of the land in Europe at that time. It began in 800 AD when
> Charlemagne of what became France, a strong man with lots of fighters,
was
> crowned the first Emperor by the Pope in Rome. It ceased to exist with
the
> end of World War I in 1917.
>
> You have had more history lesson than you wanted, but it is necessary to
> understand the relationship of a Vassel to a Lord. The terms changed over
> time (centuries) to different responsibilities in the contract and we do
not
> know what it was in the contract between the Bishop of Speye and Hans
George
> Coble.
> >
> > Since Hans George was a Vassel to a Bishop, I would gather that this
was
> associated
> > with Church held land. My guess (again) is that this would have been
the
> > Catholic Church, but it would depend on who won this particular area in
> the 30 Years
> > War... The Catholic Princes or Electors ended
> > up with control in most of the south eastern part of what is now
Germany
> and the Lutherans ended up with most of the land
> > in what is now northern Germany.
> The Princes, Lords,
> > Knights, and the Kings were all vassels of the Emperor of The Holy Roman
> Empire.
> > They owed him some service in exchange for his protection....or whatever
> the contract was for at that time. (the end of the 17th century and
> beginning of 18th century it would have been different from what might
have
> been expected in the 10th or 14th centuries.
>
> So our Hans George Coble had a contract with the Bishop and he was
released
> from this contract so he could come to America.
>
> He could have been a free holder or he could have been an
> > artisan with a skill who worked for the Bishop and for himself in a
> village or town in the land held by the Bishop (Church).
>
> Probably he owed the Bishop his annual
> > rent dues for his land. Maybe crops had been bad for a few years and he
> had
> > not earned enough to pay his rents. Maybe he was a lazy man who didn't
> > accept his responsibilities. We can assume in any case that the Bishop
> > agreed to let him leave and released him from his contract. He was then
> free to leave.
>
> >
> > At any rate, the trip up the Rhine was not easy or cheap. If you travel
> the
> > Rhine today, you see that there was a castle in every bend and turn of
the
> > river and they would be required to pay a fee to pass over the land or
by
> > the castle by water. Many traveled at night to avoid these fees.
(Each
> > one of these castles was the home of a Prince (Elector) or a Bishop.
> >
> > There was the cost of the ship. Do we know what The Hope charged their
> > passengers? He did have a large family. >>
>
> Do we know who met him and his family when he arrived in
> > Philadelphia? Or, were there others waiting for him in Lancaster or York
> > counties to help him become established in America? Did he buy
> land in Pennsylvania?
> >
> > The land they left is very beautiful. That is what started my interest
in
> > genealogy. I wondered why my people (Guilford County Cobles and Rowan
> > County Millers) left such a beautiful place for the unknown of America.
>
> I hope I have clarified the role of the vassel and that it may help some
> better understand the old world they left in Europe and the idea of the
> contract theory of government that they brought with them to this
> country. The idea of the responsibility of the government to the people
was
> included in our Constitution in 1787.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> k of the same title. "Werner's book provides valuable documentation on
> > > and analysis of the emigration from one relatively small government in
> the
> > > Rhineland - the territories which were formally under the secular
> > > jurisdiction of the Bishop of Speyer,(Hochstift Speyer). These
> localities
> > are
> > > scattered on the left and right bank of the Rhine in the present day
> > states
> > > of Baden, the Palatine and Alsace."
> > >
> > > Rhineland Emigrants is available through inter library loan.
> > > The ISBN number is 0-8063-0934-2
> > >
> > > One list member asked me these interesting questions:
> > > Does anyone know the value of the florin at the time they came over?
It
> > says
> > > that he was a vassel to the Bishop of Speyer? Does anyone know if he
> was
> > a
> > > knight, a tenant farmer, or what our ancestor did in Speyer?
> > >
> > > I do not have the answers, does anyone?
> > >
> > > I do not descend from Hans Georg and have no further information on
him
> > other
> > > that what I found in the book Rhineland Emigrants.
> > >
> > > Jean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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This is too long. It is fine if you decide not to pass it along. P. Nesbit
> I will venture an "educated guess" to one of the questions. To understand
the role of the Vassel, one must look at the Feudal System in the Middle
Ages in Europe. It actually was a step toward democracy and is known as
the contract theory of government.
There is the strong man (we will call him a Lord) with a big stone castle
with a moat around it. He has some men who fight with him, but he needs
more fighters or a larger army in case a stronger Lord comes along to try to
take his land and his castle. He enters into a contract with a neighbor we
will call a Vassel. This Vassel could be a Lord with his own castle and a
few fighters. But, he does not think his army or castle could withstand an
attack from a strong invader. So, this lesser Lord who becomes the Vassel
will agree to serve with the stronger Lord if he is called to fight or go on
a Crusade or whatever the need might be.. In return, the strong Lord will
offer the vassel the protection of his army and his castle. This is very
simply put, but that is the basis of how it worked. I'll fight for you if
you will protect me and my holdings... or I'll protect you and your
holdings, if you will fight for me. They have a contract. The strong man
(Lord) could be a King, a Lord, a Prince, an Elector or even a Bishop who
has large holdings of church lands. In England we deal with Lords and Dukes
and Princes and Kings. In the German states, they were often called
Electors.
When dealing with land that is now Germany, we have to remember that
Germany was not a country in the 18th Century. It was a loose group of
States or Principalities headed by a Prince or Elector or Bishop. It was a
part of The Holy Roman Empire which was headed by an Emperor and covered
much of the land in Europe at that time. It began in 800 AD when
Charlemagne of what became France, a strong man with lots of fighters, was
crowned the first Emperor by the Pope in Rome. It ceased to exist with the
end of World War I in 1917.
You have had more history lesson than you wanted, but it is necessary to
understand the relationship of a Vassel to a Lord. The terms changed over
time (centuries) to different responsibilities in the contract and we do not
know what it was in the contract between the Bishop of Speye and Hans George
Coble.
>
> Since Hans George was a Vassel to a Bishop, I would gather that this was
associated
> with Church held land. My guess (again) is that this would have been the
> Catholic Church, but it would depend on who won this particular area in
the 30 Years
> War... The Catholic Princes or Electors ended
> up with control in most of the south eastern part of what is now Germany
and the Lutherans ended up with most of the land
> in what is now northern Germany.
The Princes, Lords,
> Knights, and the Kings were all vassels of the Emperor of The Holy Roman
Empire.
> They owed him some service in exchange for his protection....or whatever
the contract was for at that time. (the end of the 17th century and
beginning of 18th century it would have been different from what might have
been expected in the 10th or 14th centuries.
So our Hans George Coble had a contract with the Bishop and he was released
from this contract so he could come to America.
He could have been a free holder or he could have been an
> artisan with a skill who worked for the Bishop and for himself in a
village or town in the land held by the Bishop (Church).
Probably he owed the Bishop his annual
> rent dues for his land. Maybe crops had been bad for a few years and he
had
> not earned enough to pay his rents. Maybe he was a lazy man who didn't
> accept his responsibilities. We can assume in any case that the Bishop
> agreed to let him leave and released him from his contract. He was then
free to leave.
>
> At any rate, the trip up the Rhine was not easy or cheap. If you travel
the
> Rhine today, you see that there was a castle in every bend and turn of the
> river and they would be required to pay a fee to pass over the land or by
> the castle by water. Many traveled at night to avoid these fees. (Each
> one of these castles was the home of a Prince (Elector) or a Bishop.
>
> There was the cost of the ship. Do we know what The Hope charged their
> passengers? He did have a large family. >>
Do we know who met him and his family when he arrived in
> Philadelphia? Or, were there others waiting for him in Lancaster or York
> counties to help him become established in America? Did he buy
land in Pennsylvania?
>
> The land they left is very beautiful. That is what started my interest in
> genealogy. I wondered why my people (Guilford County Cobles and Rowan
> County Millers) left such a beautiful place for the unknown of America.
I hope I have clarified the role of the vassel and that it may help some
better understand the old world they left in Europe and the idea of the
contract theory of government that they brought with them to this
country. The idea of the responsibility of the government to the people was
included in our Constitution in 1787.
k of the same title. "Werner's book provides valuable documentation on
> > and analysis of the emigration from one relatively small government in
the
> > Rhineland - the territories which were formally under the secular
> > jurisdiction of the Bishop of Speyer,(Hochstift Speyer). These
localities
> are
> > scattered on the left and right bank of the Rhine in the present day
> states
> > of Baden, the Palatine and Alsace."
> >
> > Rhineland Emigrants is available through inter library loan.
> > The ISBN number is 0-8063-0934-2
> >
> > One list member asked me these interesting questions:
> > Does anyone know the value of the florin at the time they came over? It
> says
> > that he was a vassel to the Bishop of Speyer? Does anyone know if he
was
> a
> > knight, a tenant farmer, or what our ancestor did in Speyer?
> >
> > I do not have the answers, does anyone?
> >
> > I do not descend from Hans Georg and have no further information on him
> other
> > that what I found in the book Rhineland Emigrants.
> >
> > Jean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> the subject line and message area
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> go to:
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> >
>
>
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John wrote:
Kobel List,
I would like to get in on the discussion on Hans Georg Gobel, as he was an
ancestor of mine as well as many of the Cobles of NC. I give below what I
have on the family of this man. It shows the children born in Hoffenheim as
given in the message from Jean, plus one son Johannes born in PA. Much of
the information on this family is taken from the book "Eighteenth Century
Emigrants; The Northern Kraichgau" by Annete K Burgert. She also uses the
Hoffenheim Lutheran KB to show that Hans Jerg (Hans Georg) was bp. 4 June
1693 as the son of Hans Jerg Gobel and wife Eva. She shows also that on 13
May 1716 Johann Georg Gobel (Hans Georg) md Maria Barbara Geisler, dau of
Peter Geisler. From other sources I have that Hans Georg's mother was Eva
Sonss and that his grandfather was Bernhard Gobel. I don't have anything
earlier than this, but I have noticed several ancestries on the Web that
give a connection of these Hoffenheim Gobels to the Kobels of Nordlengen,
but I have never seen which documents indicate this connection. I would
appreciate any response to this question.
My own ancestry comes down through the son Hans Georg b 1728, his son
Johann David, and David's dau Catherine "Caty" Coble.
John
____________________________________________________________________________
________________________
Family Group Record
============================================================================
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Husband: Johann Georg GOBEL
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Birth:
Chr: 4 Jun 1693 Hoffenheim, Sinsheim, Wuerttemberg, Germ
Death:
Burial:
Marriage: 13 May 1716 Hoffenheim, Wuerttemberg, Germany
Father: Johann_(Hans) Georg_I GOBEL (b 1655)
Mother: Eva SONSS
Other spouse: Anna Barbara WITTNER
============================================================================
==============
Wife: Maria Barbara GEISLER
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Birth: abt 1695 Hoffenheim, , Wuerttemberg, Germany
Death: bef 1761 York Co., PA
Burial:
Father: Peter GEISLER
Mother:
============================================================================
==============
Children
============================================================================
==============
1 M Antonius GOBEL_(COBLE)
Birth: 24 Aug 1717 Hoffenheim, Sinsheim, Wuerttemberg, Germ
Death: 1794 Guilford Co, NC
Burial:
Spouse: Anna Maria EMIG (m abt 1739)
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2 M Carl Anton GOBEL_(COBLE)
Birth: 21 Oct 1718
Death: 1720 Hoffenheim, Sinnsheim, Wuertemberg, Germ
Burial:
Marriage:
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3 F Maria Elizabetha GOBEL_(COBLE)
Birth: 3 Sep 1720 Hoffenheim, Sinsheim, Wuerttemberg, Germ
Death: 27 Oct 1720 Hoffenheim, Sinnsheim, Wuertemberg, Germ
Burial:
Marriage:
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4 F Anna Maria GOBEL_(COBLE)
Birth: 14 Aug 1721 Hoffenheim, Sinnsheim, Wuertemberg, Germ
Death: bef 1810 Frederick Co, MD
Burial:
Spouse: Melchior BAYER
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5 M Georg Balthasar GOBEL_(COBLE)
Birth: 3 Mar 1723 Hoffenheim, Sinsheim, Wuerttemberg, Germ
Death: 23 Aug 1724 Hoffenheim, Sinnsheim, Wuertemberg, Germ
Burial:
Marriage:
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6 F Maria Magdalena GOBEL_(COBLE)
Birth: 1 Jan 1725 Hoffenheim, Sinsheim, Wuerttemberg, Germ
Death:
Burial:
Spouse: Adam FACKLER
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7 F Anna Margaretha GOBLE_(COBLE)
Birth: 23 Mar 1726 Hoffenheim, Sinsheim, Wuerttemberg, Germ
Death: 28 Feb 1728
Burial:
Marriage:
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8 M Georg Adam "Adam" GOBEL_(COBLE)
Birth: 13 Apr 1727 Hoffenheim, Sinsheim, Wuerttemberg, Germ
Death:
Burial:
Spouse: Anna Margaretha LOEFFEL (m 13 May 1754)
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9 M Hans Georg "George" GOBEL_(COBLE)
Birth: 12 Sep 1728 Hoffenheim, Sinsheim, Wuerttemberg, Germ
Death: Feb 1786 Oakdale, Orange Co, NC
Burial:
Spouse: Anna Margaret STAHLI (m abt 1750)
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10 F Anna Catherina GOBEL_(COBLE)
Birth: 28 Feb 1730 Hoffenheim, , Bishopric Speyer, Germany
Death: 24 Jan 1733 Hoffenheim, , Bishopric Speyer, Germany
Burial:
Marriage:
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11 F Maria Dorothea GOBEL_(COBLE)
Birth: 13 May 1732 Hoffenheim, Sinsheim, Wuerttemberg, Germ
Death:
Burial:
Marriage:
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12 M Johannes_(John) GOBEL_(COBLE)
Birth: 28 Aug 1734 Lancaster, Lancaster Co, PA
Death: Orange Co, NC
Burial:
Spouse: Maria Barbara STAHLI
Zelma wrote:
Jean , Thanks for the info, Hans George was my 6th great grandfather, he
was also called Johann George, the names must be synonymous he was born
abt 1693 and his brother was Johann Jacob Kobel. Jacob came to America
in 1717 and lived in New York and then later moved to Pa. His son was
the one that was killed in the Kobel Massacre. I descend from Hans
George's son that was listed as being 31/2 in the ship list. His name
was also Hans George. I would like to hear from the rest of you on the
list and see who you descend from. I that a lot of us on the list
descend from Hans (Johann) George Gobel b. abt 1693 . He lived in Pa
until abt the 1750's then his descendants moved to Orange Co North
Carolina. I am not sure if Johann George b. 1693 died in Pa or moved to
Orange Co North Carolina along with his sons. Anthony , George Adam and
Hans George. Does anyone on the list have a answer to this question.
Zelma
Dear List Members-
My message Rhineland Emigrants/Hans Georg Gobel was sent to two lists. The
COBLE list and it's sister list KOBEL. Not everyone belongs to both list.
Hans Georg Gobel has prompted a very valuable exchange of information. I do
not want anyone to miss out on what was sent to one list but not the other. I
am going to send the replies sent by list members to the opposite list so you
may all benefit. For those of you who do belong to both lists, I apologize
for the duplication.
Jean
Coble and Kobel list manager
Here is further information from the chapter American Emigrants from the
Territories of the Bishopric of Speye by Werner Hacker.
The chapter from the book RHINELAND EMIGRANTS is based on Werner Hacker's
book of the same title. "Werner's book provides valuable documentation on
and analysis of the emigration from one relatively small government in the
Rhineland - the territories which were formally under the secular
jurisdiction of the Bishop of Speyer,(Hochstift Speyer). These localities are
scattered on the left and right bank of the Rhine in the present day states
of Baden, the Palatine and Alsace."
Rhineland Emigrants is available through inter library loan.
The ISBN number is 0-8063-0934-2
One list member asked me these interesting questions:
Does anyone know the value of the florin at the time they came over? It says
that he was a vassel to the Bishop of Speyer? Does anyone know if he was a
knight, a tenant farmer, or what our ancestor did in Speyer?
I do not have the answers, does anyone?
I do not descend from Hans Georg and have no further information on him other
that what I found in the book Rhineland Emigrants.
Jean
I have just purchased RHINELAND EMIGRANTS - List of German Settlers in
Colonial America, edited by Dan Yoder, Genealogical Publishing Company, 1981.
Excerpted and reprinted from Pennsylvania Folklife. ISBN 0-8063-0934-2
Chapter 12
America Emigrants from the Territories of the Bishopric of Speyer.
Hans Georg Gobel, of "Hofheim in the Austrian territories"
[Hofheim im Oesterreichischen], citizen, vassal of the bishop of Speyer, by
bad luck oveloaded with debts (wife and children, free of vassalage), had
property of 160 florins, was manumitted to go to his relatives in
Pennsylvania [va Verwandten in Pennsylvanien], April 24, 1733. Arrived in
Philadelphia on the Ship Hope, August 28, 1733. In the ship list the mane is
spelled "GOBEL, GABEL and GOBL" (Strassburger-Hinke, List 31A) The father's
age was given as 40, the wife Barbara (38), and five children are listed
(Antoni 12, Anna Maria 10, Magdalena 8, Jerg Adam 5, and Hans Jerg 3 1/2.
A letter to the Editor from Dr. Fritz Braun, Director, Heimatstelle Pfalz,
Kaiserslautern, dated February 24, 1970, furnishes additional data on this
family. The town of origin is now Hoffenheim near Sinsheim in Baden. From
the church registers of Hoffenheim it appears that there were eleven children
in all:
(1) Antonius, born August 24, 1717
(2) Carl Anthony born October 21, 1718, died Aug 26, 1720
(3) Maria Elizabetha born September 3, 1720 died Oct 2, 1720
(4) Anna Maria born August 14, 1721
(5) Georg Balthasar born March 3, 1723 died August 23, 1724
(6) Maria Magdalena born January 1, 1725
(7) Anna Margaretha born March 23, 1726 died February 28, 1728
(8) Georg Adam born April 13, 1727
(9) Hanss Georg born September 12, 1728
(10) Anna Catharina born February 28, 1730 died February 24, 1733
(11) Maria Dorathea born April 13, 1732
End
Jean
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Surnames: COBLE, LONG, MONTGOMERY
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Additional Information about David M. Long.
He was the son of Alexander M. Long and Mary Ann "Pollie" Montgomery.
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Surnames: COBLE, LONG
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Message Board Post:
I am looking for any information on the following family and their descendants. Your help is very appreciated.
Descendants of Virginia "Jennie" Coble
1 Virginia "Jennie" Coble b: 1835 in Kentucky
+David M. Long b: Abt 1829 in North Carolina m: in Virginia
.... 2 Aura C. Long b: 1855
....... +Florence E. Tucker m: 20 November 1877
.... 2 Sallie Long b: 1857
.... 2 Walter Long b: 1862 in Missouri
....... +Emma Stephenson m: 13 March 1891
.... 2 Donnie Long b: 1866
.... 2 Lucy Long b: 1873