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Peggy gathered this information together and, with her permission, I
am passing it on to this list. I makes reference to Barbara SUMMERS'
connection to Anthony COBLE of Rock Castle County, KY.
Diana ddavis(a)logicsouth.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peggy Bruckner" <bruckner(a)mindspring.com>
To: "Diana Davis" <ddavis(a)logicsouth.com>
Cc: "Ianthia Gerringer LaMarr (NC)" <Kemjan(a)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [COBLE] Anna Maria EMIG v. Maria Barbara SUMMERS
> Hi Diana, with the exception of her mention in Captain Peter's
will, I have
> only secondary info on this Barbara Summers.
>
> Captain Peter Summers' 1825 Will (names his daughter Barbara and
references
> the "Legacy" received from Anthony Coble in his Kentucky LWT):
>
> "6th: As to my daughter Barbara, I have advanced her in life with
eleven
> hundred and fifty dollars in money, and also in Stock, and other
things
> necessary for keeping house, and likewise two negroes, amounting in
all to
> twenty-two hundred and fifty dollars, making her equal to the rest
of my
> children. I now give her, in addition to what she has already
received, all
> the money, or Legacy, given to me by Anthony Coble, of Rock Castle
County,
> Kentucky in his last Will and Testament, And I do
> hereby authorize and empower my said Executors of Mr. Coble, to give
> receipts for, and hold the same to her own use. I give to my
daughter
> Barbara, one thousand dollars, to be paid to her in such sums as my
> Executors may think her necessities shall require."
>
> I note there is no May 31, 1803 Guilford Marriage Bond for a Anthony
Coble
> to Barbara Summers, but the date is pretty precise -- so there must
be a
> bible or other record. The date for the marriage of this couple
came from
> Ianthia, so I'll defer to her for the source details.
>
> There is a Maria Barbara Summers among the unmarried female Friedens
> Communicants for the 28 October 1802, who could be the Barbara
Summers who
> m. Anthony Coble , This may be where the "Maria Barbara Summers"
name comes
> from.
>
> Another source says Barbara Summers, daughter of Capt Peter was also
married
> to a John "Locie" Boon:
>
> ================
> Summers GenForum:
>
> Re: Cpt. Peter SUMMERS, Guilford Co, NC
> Posted by: jodylin Date: January 02, 2000 at 21:43:20
> In Reply to: Re: Cpt. Peter SUMMERS, Guilford Co, NC by SHARON
SCHLENKER
>
> Yes. You have the right Peter Summers, but I have it that he was b.
16 May
> 1767 and d. 17 Aug 1835. I'm from the line of Peter's daughter
Barbara
> Summers who married John "Locie" Boon.
> ================
>
> I'm not familiar with any Emig family in NC.
>
> Peggy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diana Davis" <ddavis(a)logicsouth.com>
> To: <Kemjan(a)aol.com>; <bruckner(a)mindspring.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 11:01 AM
> Subject: Fw: [COBLE] Anna Maria EMIG v. Maria Barbara SUMMERS
>
>
> > We are having an ongoing discussion on the COBLE/KOBEL list about
who
> > Maria Barbara SUMMERS was married to. Can you help? or have I
asked
> > this before?
> >
> > Diana ddavis(a)logicsouth.com
> > My Genealogy site updated 9/10/2000: http://www.my-ged.com/davis/
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charles and Patsy Nesbit" <patcha(a)bellsouth.net>
> > To: <COBLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 11:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [COBLE] Anna Maria EMIG v. Maria Barbara SUMMERS
> >
> >
> > > Thank you for your interest and effort in this matter. I am
> > descended from
> > > this line and I have information gathered from the internet that
he
> > was
> > > married to Anna Maria Emig and also have received information
that
> > he was
> > > married to Maria Barbara Summers. Could he have had two wives?
If
> > so, who
> > > was the mother of his children. I am descended from his child,
> > David, and
> > > his grandson, Samuel. Thank you trying to clarify this matter.
I
> > am new to
> > > genealogy research. P. Nesbit
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: <JEANFAZZ(a)aol.com>
> > > To: <COBLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 10:34 AM
> > > Subject: [COBLE] Anna Maria EMIG v. Maria Barbara SUMMERS
> > >
> > >
> > > > Checking the LDS site at www.familysearch.org
> > > > I found the following records for Anna Maria Emig. Both
records
> > have Anna
> > > > Maria married to Antonius (Anthony) Coble/Kobel
> > > >
> > > > Ancestral file
> > > > Anna Maria Emig
> > > > http://familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
> > > >
> > > > Doing the same search for Maria Barbara SUMMERS
> > > > you will find that there are records for her baptism and
marriage
> > to
> > > Antonius
> > > > (Anthony) Coble/Kobel
> > > >
> > > > There seems to be an ongoing conflict. I would like to ask
the
> > members
> > > who
> > > > descend from this line, or anyone having information
pertaining to
> > these
> > > two
> > > > women, to please post to the lists
> > > > their research data to try and resolve it. Please be sure to
give
> > the
> > > > sources for all records. Let's hope that by doing this
together
> > we can
> > > > discuss all aspects of the problem and find the answers.
> > > >
> > > > Jean
> > > > Kobel and Coble list manager
> > > >
> > > >
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peggy Bruckner" <bruckner(a)mindspring.com>
To: "Diana Davis" <ddavis(a)logicsouth.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 9:07 PM
Subject: Anna Maria EMIG v. Maria Barbara SUMMERS
> Diana, the marriage date for Anthony Coble came from Brick Church
Records -
> transcribed by Rev. D. I. Offman. It reads:
>
> Anthony Coble, son of Anthony Coble, Sr. , and Maria Barbara
Sommers,
> daughter of Peter Sommers, were married May 31,1803.
>
> Also, Captain Peter Summers' 1825 Will (names his daughter Barbara
and
> references
> the "Legacy" received from Anthony Coble in his Kentucky LWT):
>
> "6th: As to my daughter Barbara, I have advanced her in life with
eleven
> hundred and fifty dollars in money, and also in Stock, and other
things
> necessary for keeping house, and likewise two negroes, amounting in
all to
> twenty-two hundred and fifty dollars, making her equal to the rest
of my
> children. I now give her, in addition to what she has already
received, all
> the money, or Legacy, given to me by Anthony Coble, of Rock Castle
County,
> Kentucky in his last Will and Testament, And I do
> hereby authorize and empower my said Executors of Mr. Coble, to give
> receipts for, and hold the same to her own use. I give to my
daughter
> Barbara, one thousand dollars, to be paid to her in such sums as my
> Executors may think her necessities shall require."
>
> I do not know the basis, but another source says Barbara Summers,
> daughter of Capt Peter was also married to a John "Locie" Boon:
>
> ================
> Summers GenForum:
>
> Re: Cpt. Peter SUMMERS, Guilford Co, NC
> Posted by: jodylin Date: January 02, 2000 at 21:43:20
> In Reply to: Re: Cpt. Peter SUMMERS, Guilford Co, NC by SHARON
SCHLENKER
>
> Yes. You have the right Peter Summers, but I have it that he was b.
16 May
> 1767 and d. 17 Aug 1835. I'm from the line of Peter's daughter
Barbara
> Summers who married John "Locie" Boon.
> ================
>
> I'm not familiar with any Emig family in NC.
>
> Peggy
Probably should have identified Jacob, but since he is so "famous" :-) I
neglected to tell you that he is the Jacob Kobel 1682-1731 who arrived in
America in 1710 from the Palatine and married Anna Maria.
Jean
I have a color photograph of a plaque commemorating the Bicentennial of
Cobleskill, N. Y. and honoring Jacob Kobel.
I will be happy to send this to anyone who would like a copy.
Rootsweb does not allow attachments sent, so just send an email to me at
JEANFAZZ(a)aol.com
Please put Jacob Kobel in the subject line.
I will wait until I accumulate a few takers so you may not receive it for a
several days. Enjoy!
Jean
Kobel and Coble list manager
I have spent a good deal of time today going through my paper files trying to
find additional information on Antonius Coble who married Anna Maria EMIG and
Anthony Coble who married Barbara SUMMERS and I have so further information
to offer.
But, if you read Diana and Zelma's message I believe that they had answered
your questions. There are two Anthony Coble's. One born in 1717 and one
born in 1788.
I did a quick check on www.worldconnect.rootsweb.com
for EMIG and SUMMERS and found much information there.
EMIG
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi
SUMMERS
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rotert6&id=I2970
Be sure to click on the Ahenetafel report at the bottom of the page for this
one. Takes you back many generations.
For Henry Clay COBLE, go to
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi
Jannine-you said that you have Henry Clay Coble as the s/o Adam Coble and
Maria Polly Summers of Lincoln County, TN. Can you tell us what you have and
references to your information so that those interested in this line can be
helped?
I do hope that this helps.
Jean
Kobel and Coble list manager
Jean, I have ADAM GEORG COBLE , b.1727, Baden, Ger. was the younger
brother of ANTONIUS 'ANTHONY' COBLE, B. 1717. ADAM GEORGE , 1727,m.
Anna Margaretha Loffel-Spoon, May 13, 1754, in Lancaster, Pa. Their 7th
child was ADAM COBLE, b.1768, Orange Co., NC. This ADAM 'ANTHONY' COBLE,
1768, married MARIA BARBARA SUMMERS, who was born May 28, 1788, therefore
she could not have married Antonius Coble in 1740. This is
from LDS FILE on the net. Mary E. (Coble
Granddaughter) My grandmother was Letha Ann Coble,
daughter of HENRY BONAPARTE COBLE, granddaughter of HENRY CLAY COBLE,
(B. dEC. 16, Lincoln Co. Tn.), gggrandaughter of ADAM ' ANTHONY COBLE &
MARIA BARBARA SUMMERS.
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Thank you,
Jean
Kobel and Coble list manager
Thank you for your interest and effort in this matter. I am descended from
this line and I have information gathered from the internet that he was
married to Anna Maria Emig and also have received information that he was
married to Maria Barbara Summers. Could he have had two wives? If so, who
was the mother of his children. I am descended from his child, David, and
his grandson, Samuel. Thank you trying to clarify this matter. I am new to
genealogy research. P. Nesbit
----- Original Message -----
From: <JEANFAZZ(a)aol.com>
To: <COBLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 10:34 AM
Subject: [COBLE] Anna Maria EMIG v. Maria Barbara SUMMERS
> Checking the LDS site at www.familysearch.org
> I found the following records for Anna Maria Emig. Both records have Anna
> Maria married to Antonius (Anthony) Coble/Kobel
>
> Ancestral file
> Anna Maria Emig
> http://familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
>
> Doing the same search for Maria Barbara SUMMERS
> you will find that there are records for her baptism and marriage to
Antonius
> (Anthony) Coble/Kobel
>
> There seems to be an ongoing conflict. I would like to ask the members
who
> descend from this line, or anyone having information pertaining to these
two
> women, to please post to the lists
> their research data to try and resolve it. Please be sure to give the
> sources for all records. Let's hope that by doing this together we can
> discuss all aspects of the problem and find the answers.
>
> Jean
> Kobel and Coble list manager
>
>
>
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Checking the LDS site at www.familysearch.org
I found the following records for Anna Maria Emig. Both records have Anna
Maria married to Antonius (Anthony) Coble/Kobel
Ancestral file
Anna Maria Emig
http://familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
Doing the same search for Maria Barbara SUMMERS
you will find that there are records for her baptism and marriage to Antonius
(Anthony) Coble/Kobel
There seems to be an ongoing conflict. I would like to ask the members who
descend from this line, or anyone having information pertaining to these two
women, to please post to the lists
their research data to try and resolve it. Please be sure to give the
sources for all records. Let's hope that by doing this together we can
discuss all aspects of the problem and find the answers.
Jean
Kobel and Coble list manager
Someone put out that Henry Clay was the son of Anthony Coble and Barbara
Summers
Jannine Coble Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: hdbryant1 <hdbryant1(a)netzero.net>
To: <COBLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [COBLE] Re: COBLE-D Digest V00 #38
> Jannine,
>
> When was your "Adam" Coble born and was he born in Lincoln Co, TN?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jannine Coble Gregory" <Jannine(a)ix.netcom.com>
> To: <COBLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 3:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [COBLE] Re: COBLE-D Digest V00 #38
>
>
> | I would like to know how you came up with this. I have Henry Clay Coble
as
> | the s/o Adam Coble and Maria "Polly" Summers of Lincoln County, Tn
> | Jannine Coble Gregory
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: <mrojscw(a)juno.com>
> | To: <COBLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> | Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:01 AM
> | Subject: [COBLE] Re: COBLE-D Digest V00 #38
> |
> |
> | > Hello, Fellow Coble Researchers, I think I have established for
> | > certain that my ggGrandfather was HENRY CLAY COBLE, son of ADAM
> | > 'ANTHONY' COBLE and MARIA BARBARA SUMMERS, daughter of Capt. Peter
> | > Summers of GUILFORD CO. N.C. There is much controversy on the
> | > COBLE digest about the parents of ADAM "ANTHONY" COBLE. From my
research
> | > I have come to believe that he was NOT the son of ANTHONY 'ANTONIUS'
> | > COBLE, b. l7l7, but was probably the son of ADAM GEORGE COBLE, b.1727
> | > in Ger. d.in Tenn. m. ANNA MARGARETHA LOFFEL 'SPOON' IN Pa. Can
anyone
> | > assure me that this is correct? Mary E. (Coble Granddaughter)
> | >
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Did Johannes Georg KOBEL happen to come over with 7 brother's to
America. There is tell that in the Levi Jackson Coble family that 7
brothers come over from Germany.
Thanks for your quick response.
Rhonda Crager Coble
www.heavensound.com/artist/coble.htm
Mary-
I hope that I can be of help. I send this information with a gentle
warning....this is not my own personal research, but that of other
Kobel/Coble researchers that have sent me records of various family lines.
Johannes Georg KOBEL
born 4 Jun 1693 Hoffenheim-Sinsheim Baden, Germany
Married: 13 May 1716 Hoffenheim, Baden, Germany
Died: 22 Feb 1765 PA.
Arrived from England on the ship "Hope" 28 Aug 1733
Wife: Maria Barbara Geisler, born ca 1695
in Hoffenheim, Baden Germany
They had 12 children all born in Baden, with the exception of their last
child who was born in York Co. PA in 1734.
Their first born was Antonius (Anthony) KOBEL
born 24 Aug 1717 Hoffensheim, Sinsheim, Baden, Germany
Died: 1793 Guilford, Co. N.C.
His will is dated 24 May 1794 Guilford, N.C.
He was naturalized 22 Mar 1763 in N.C.
Married: 1740 to Maria Barbara Summers born ca 1720 N.C.
Their eighth child was Georg Adam KOBEL
born 13 Apr 1727 Baden, Germany
died 1774 --no further information
Sources given:
18th Century Emigrants of the Northern Kraichgau Vol. 1
Lancaster Births 1723-1777 page 187
Rhineland Emigrants pg 70-71
York County Church Records of the 18th Century Vol. 2 pg.127
Early Settlers of York County pg 311
Jean
Kobel and Coble list manager
Hello, Fellow Coble Researchers, I think I have established for
certain that my ggGrandfather was HENRY CLAY COBLE, son of ADAM
'ANTHONY' COBLE and MARIA BARBARA SUMMERS, daughter of Capt. Peter
Summers of GUILFORD CO. N.C. There is much controversy on the
COBLE digest about the parents of ADAM "ANTHONY" COBLE. From my research
I have come to believe that he was NOT the son of ANTHONY 'ANTONIUS'
COBLE, b. l7l7, but was probably the son of ADAM GEORGE COBLE, b.1727
in Ger. d.in Tenn. m. ANNA MARGARETHA LOFFEL 'SPOON' IN Pa. Can anyone
assure me that this is correct? Mary E. (Coble Granddaughter)
These standards are recommended by the National Genealogical Society.
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Jean
Kobel and Coble list manager
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Welcome to our group!
My goodness, you say it and you mean it!
The following records are from the books _York County Church Records of the
18th Century_ by Bates and Wright, Volumes 1-3
This is wonderful stuff and I am most grateful. I hope I can pass along
the help .
Now if you'll excuse me, I have some names to enter in my database!
(Thanks again)
Ben
Charles wrote me the following--
... Antonius Anthony Coble b. aug
24, 1717, son of Johann George and Maria Barbara Geisler, I have his
Children as
Barbara Glass
Elazabith Smith
Eve Glass
Molly Shatterly
Torley Graves
Mary Graves
Catren Coble
George
Ludwig
David
His will was 1794 and he list theese as his children.
According to this there was no ANTHONY from Antonius-- at least not
living when then will was made. I have a question however. If his
will was written (or was that a probate date?) in 1794. When did he
die? I have May 24, 1790.
Diana ddavis(a)logicsouth.com
My Genealogy site updated 9/10/2000: http://www.my-ged.com/davis/
Does anyone know who this Anthony is or any dates about this family?
Diana ddavis(a)logicsouth.com
My Genealogy site updated 9/10/2000: http://www.my-ged.com/davis/
Israel Holt & Barbara Coble Administrators of Anthony Coble Junior Deceased of Orange to Peter Waggoner of Guilofrd, one thousand dollars paid to Anthony Coble Deceased, 174 acres, Anthony Coble had given Waggoner a bond to make a deed, begin at a hicory stump and forked sourwood on bank of Haw R., S 31 ch. to a white oak, black jack & red oak, S76E 40 ch. 17 lk. to a red oak on bank of branch, down branch 80 ch. to a post oak, E21 ch. 75 lk. to a post aok, S 2 ch to a stake, E6 1/2 ch to hicory, N 9ch. to an ash on bank of river, up same to beginning, signed:
Israel Holt, Barbara Coble
wit: Kaniel Hofhine & Jno Gibson, Achknwledged Ausust Term 1811
So there was a Anthony Sr. and there is a Anthony Coble in Rockcastle, KY in the 1820 census but this can not be this Anthony Coble.
Jannine Coble Gregory