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The way DNA works for this project is this:
A Father passes on to his son the Y Chrom...which goes intact from
generation to generation...so if you have a common ancestor you will have
either an exact match or a 1 step or 1 mutation match ....
Mutations result from a varity of things...one is that the son was born to
the father in later life and the Y Chrom is getting tired....:) some
mutations are faster than others and if too fast don't really count as
mutations...some of the genetic markers can come back with 2 mutations but
since they both use the same info only one is counted as a mutation....:)
Now that I've confused you....
That's the technical side of the DNA...but for genealogy purposes it's the
exact or 1 step mutation that is helpful to us...if in the 25 marker test
you have an exact match or 1 to 2 step mutation your common ancestor can be
within 14 generations....
I think the important thing to me in the DNA testing is placing your family
in a group and then comparing notes with others in the group...if we get a
broad enough base then we should see some partterns start to form....
Char
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bill Coats" <billcoats(a)saber.net>
Reply-To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [COATS] DNA testing
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:25:36 -0700
Char,
As a proven descendent from a COATS cluster of three brothers who gave S.C.
as their birthplace in the censuses of`1840 thriugh 1880, and who
subsequently emigrated to East Texas via Mississippi, I have hit the old
brick wall in going further back, or learning a specific origin and
parentage for them..
I understand little of this DNA developmwnt, and have not really
followed it. But it may be very helpful at this point, ---right?
Can you enlighten me a bit, and advise me of a starting-place should DNA
seem likely to be helpful, or steer me to someone who can? "Boilerplate"
stuff would be fine.
William Howard Coats
billcoats(a)saber.net
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Hi Bill, well we indeed would love to have you in our DNA project...
DNA will not tell you who your ancestor is...but what it will do is group
you among cousins today via a common ancestor thus focusing your research...
This page has the Coate/Coates/Coats DNA tests thus far and many helpful
links to information...
http://wwww.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm
When you get ready to order your kit, you can either email me with your
address, phone number and email address and I can have the kit sent to you
with an invoice...there are two ways to pay, via invoice which is sent with
the kit when you order it i.e. you then send payment back when you send the
kit back to Houston or you can pay via a credit card via the web when you
order the kit...
Or you can click on the Join DNA project on the above web page and order
your kit via a link I will then send to you....
It is important that you order the kit via our group for two reasons...first
it automatically puts you into the Coate, Coates, Coats group and two, as a
group we get discounted rates...12 marker test is $99.00 plus $2.00
postage...
We have been going with the 12 marker test at present and then if in a group
with mutations, then we suggest going on to the 25 marker test...
We have one group out of SC that has all exact matches on the DNA
results...all but one is a 12 marker test, so if they choose sometime in the
future or if mutations show up then they can go to the 25 marker test...
We'd love to have you join the project...
Just let me know....:)
We also have one Coates across the pond taking the test via Oxford
Ancestors...so we look forward to getting those results from him since some
of our lines came via the British Isles...
Char
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bill Coats" <billcoats(a)saber.net>
Reply-To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [COATS] DNA testing
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:25:36 -0700
Char,
As a proven descendent from a COATS cluster of three brothers who gave S.C.
as their birthplace in the censuses of`1840 thriugh 1880, and who
subsequently emigrated to East Texas via Mississippi, I have hit the old
brick wall in going further back, or learning a specific origin and
parentage for them..
I understand little of this DNA developmwnt, and have not really
followed it. But it may be very helpful at this point, ---right?
Can you enlighten me a bit, and advise me of a starting-place should DNA
seem likely to be helpful, or steer me to someone who can? "Boilerplate"
stuff would be fine.
William Howard Coats
billcoats(a)saber.net
==============================
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Char,
As a proven descendent from a COATS cluster of three brothers who gave S.C. as their birthplace in the censuses of`1840 thriugh 1880, and who subsequently emigrated to East Texas via Mississippi, I have hit the old brick wall in going further back, or learning a specific origin and parentage for them..
I understand little of this DNA developmwnt, and have not really
followed it. But it may be very helpful at this point, ---right?
Can you enlighten me a bit, and advise me of a starting-place should DNA seem likely to be helpful, or steer me to someone who can? "Boilerplate" stuff would be fine.
William Howard Coats
billcoats(a)saber.net
YES.
John W.
Charlotte Coats wrote:
>
> Well, we start with a 12 marker DNA test...then to narrow the fields
> for exact matches you can go to the 25 marker DNA test...the 25 marker
> can give you a closer year for a common ancestor...I think it's within
> 14 generations...the 25 marker is usually good if there are mutations
> of 1 or 2 in a group as well...or if exact matches to see if there are
> any mutations at the 25 marker level...
>
> I think the benefit for the exact matches going to the 25 marker level
> is, if there are any mutations then you can form groups within a
> group...so if say you have 10 tests with exact matches at 12 markers,
> you know they have a common ancestor...if you go to the 25 marker test
> and there are found to be mutations, then the common ancestor for the
> mismatches would be further in distance than the exact matches....if
> all still match exactly, then they would all seem to have the same
> common ancestor within a 14 generation period....
>
> That's my understanding...John W. is that the same as yours....?
>
> Char
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: CCypret(a)aol.com
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> To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [COATS] John (Gent) Coats 25 Marker Test
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:15:53 EDT
>
> What is the 25 marker test??
>
>
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Well, we start with a 12 marker DNA test...then to narrow the fields for
exact matches you can go to the 25 marker DNA test...the 25 marker can give
you a closer year for a common ancestor...I think it's within 14
generations...the 25 marker is usually good if there are mutations of 1 or 2
in a group as well...or if exact matches to see if there are any mutations
at the 25 marker level...
I think the benefit for the exact matches going to the 25 marker level is,
if there are any mutations then you can form groups within a group...so if
say you have 10 tests with exact matches at 12 markers, you know they have a
common ancestor...if you go to the 25 marker test and there are found to be
mutations, then the common ancestor for the mismatches would be further in
distance than the exact matches....if all still match exactly, then they
would all seem to have the same common ancestor within a 14 generation
period....
That's my understanding...John W. is that the same as yours....?
Char
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Subject: Re: [COATS] John (Gent) Coats 25 Marker Test
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:15:53 EDT
What is the 25 marker test??
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Well, I think it's 14 something generations...but I do agree, that group
could use some 25 markers, if just to see if the 25 markers all match....
Char
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From: John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net>
Reply-To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [COATS] John (Gent) Coats 25 Marker Test
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:35:40 -0500
Char; The name of the wife has nothing to do with it. I think the 25 marker
test would tell those involved if their ancestor is more recent or less. I
think 25 exact matches means a common ancestor was within 7 to 20
generations back. Maybe Max could tell us more on this.
John
Charlotte Coats wrote:
>
>John, the name of the wife has not been resolved...
>
>Also there is now another test in that group that is from IN...with an old
>History from Randolf County IN saying this group is connected with Paisley
>Scotland....
>
>There are also three tests that are claiming to Big John Coats....who are
>all suppose to have ties to Marm....and as to Big John...seems to me that
>most of these connections are based on an old genealogy by Sumural...not
>got that name correct I'm sure...but there is no indication where any of
>the info came from or how the connections were made....I think there are
>big questions as to Big John's kids at present....
>
>So, I think much more documentation needs to be done to tie any of these
>groups to either Big John or Gent John .... or any of them for that matter
>in SC other than Marm who was the Quaker out of there....
>
>IN, IL and OH could really contain some answers in documentation...
>
>I really think that further testing of that group will only indicate
>whether their common ancestor is close or distant...doesn't support how
>they're all connected...currently they are all exact matches...so a 1 step
>mutation at the 25 marker level, isn't going to make that much
>difference....except the the common ancestor might be further up for some
>or none in the group?
>
>Your thoughts on what a 25 marker test would show....?
>
>What we really need are more testors from other known or unknown lines, to
>see how they connect up with the others already tested....
>
>Char
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net>
>Reply-To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [COATS] John (Gent) Coats 25 Marker Test
>Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:39:53 -0500
>
>Char: As you know I believe that Gary Coates of Whitehall, Il. is
>descended from James of Edgefield, and therefor from John (Gentleman) Coats
>of Newberry. I see Gary Coats of Portland, descended from Thomas is also in
>that group. Only one in that group has opted for the 25 marker test.
>Therefor, if the rest in that center group will go for the 25 marker test,
>I will pop for Gary Coatses second test. Do the rest of you Coatses in that
>group trace your ancestry to John Gent? If you do or don't, the 25 marker
>test may prove or disprove that descendency.
>John
>
>
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Char; The name of the wife has nothing to do with it. I think the 25
marker test would tell those involved if their ancestor is more recent
or less. I think 25 exact matches means a common ancestor was within 7
to 20 generations back. Maybe Max could tell us more on this.
John
Charlotte Coats wrote:
>
> John, the name of the wife has not been resolved...
>
> Also there is now another test in that group that is from IN...with an
> old History from Randolf County IN saying this group is connected with
> Paisley Scotland....
>
> There are also three tests that are claiming to Big John Coats....who
> are all suppose to have ties to Marm....and as to Big John...seems to
> me that most of these connections are based on an old genealogy by
> Sumural...not got that name correct I'm sure...but there is no
> indication where any of the info came from or how the connections were
> made....I think there are big questions as to Big John's kids at
> present....
>
> So, I think much more documentation needs to be done to tie any of
> these groups to either Big John or Gent John .... or any of them for
> that matter in SC other than Marm who was the Quaker out of there....
>
> IN, IL and OH could really contain some answers in documentation...
>
> I really think that further testing of that group will only indicate
> whether their common ancestor is close or distant...doesn't support
> how they're all connected...currently they are all exact matches...so
> a 1 step mutation at the 25 marker level, isn't going to make that
> much difference....except the the common ancestor might be further up
> for some or none in the group?
>
> Your thoughts on what a 25 marker test would show....?
>
> What we really need are more testors from other known or unknown
> lines, to see how they connect up with the others already tested....
>
> Char
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net>
> Reply-To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [COATS] John (Gent) Coats 25 Marker Test
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:39:53 -0500
>
> Char: As you know I believe that Gary Coates of Whitehall, Il. is
> descended from James of Edgefield, and therefor from John (Gentleman)
> Coats of Newberry. I see Gary Coats of Portland, descended from Thomas
> is also in that group. Only one in that group has opted for the 25
> marker test. Therefor, if the rest in that center group will go for
> the 25 marker test, I will pop for Gary Coatses second test. Do the
> rest of you Coatses in that group trace your ancestry to John Gent? If
> you do or don't, the 25 marker test may prove or disprove that
> descendency.
> John
>
>
>
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Char: As you know I believe that Gary Coates of Whitehall, Il. is
descended from James of Edgefield, and therefor from John (Gentleman)
Coats of Newberry. I see Gary Coats of Portland, descended from Thomas
is also in that group. Only one in that group has opted for the 25
marker test. Therefor, if the rest in that center group will go for the
25 marker test, I will pop for Gary Coatses second test. Do the rest of
you Coatses in that group trace your ancestry to John Gent? If you do or
don't, the 25 marker test may prove or disprove that descendency.
John
John, the name of the wife has not been resolved...
Also there is now another test in that group that is from IN...with an old
History from Randolf County IN saying this group is connected with Paisley
Scotland....
There are also three tests that are claiming to Big John Coats....who are
all suppose to have ties to Marm....and as to Big John...seems to me that
most of these connections are based on an old genealogy by Sumural...not got
that name correct I'm sure...but there is no indication where any of the
info came from or how the connections were made....I think there are big
questions as to Big John's kids at present....
So, I think much more documentation needs to be done to tie any of these
groups to either Big John or Gent John .... or any of them for that matter
in SC other than Marm who was the Quaker out of there....
IN, IL and OH could really contain some answers in documentation...
I really think that further testing of that group will only indicate whether
their common ancestor is close or distant...doesn't support how they're all
connected...currently they are all exact matches...so a 1 step mutation at
the 25 marker level, isn't going to make that much difference....except the
the common ancestor might be further up for some or none in the group?
Your thoughts on what a 25 marker test would show....?
What we really need are more testors from other known or unknown lines, to
see how they connect up with the others already tested....
Char
----Original Message Follows----
From: John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net>
Reply-To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: COATS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [COATS] John (Gent) Coats 25 Marker Test
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:39:53 -0500
Char: As you know I believe that Gary Coates of Whitehall, Il. is
descended from James of Edgefield, and therefor from John (Gentleman) Coats
of Newberry. I see Gary Coats of Portland, descended from Thomas is also in
that group. Only one in that group has opted for the 25 marker test.
Therefor, if the rest in that center group will go for the 25 marker test, I
will pop for Gary Coatses second test. Do the rest of you Coatses in that
group trace your ancestry to John Gent? If you do or don't, the 25 marker
test may prove or disprove that descendency.
John
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