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One thing that frequently crops up in communication with newly re-discovered
COATH's is the mention of "The family mine".
It seems as if every other letter relates a story of a Coath owned mine that
we were "swindled" out of.
Common belief is that this relates to "Dol Coath" which is one of the oldest
mines in Cornwall. However, in the Cornish language "Dol Coath" means "Old
Ground".
"Coath" being Cornish for old (or elder, or "well established").
Now whether the family took the name from the area or vice versa we will
probably never know, but I have however just discovered a link to another
mine.
As I have said before, there seem to be (at this moment in time) two Coath
families.
That of Edward Coath and Avis Tonkin of Oreston, Plymstock, Devon from the
1700s (my own line)
And that of John Coathe and Margaret of East Newlyn, Cornwall from the 1400s
(many of you)
Amongst that earlier line exists a Robert Pill Coath of Calstock, born 1841
in Liskeard. In the 1871 census for Calstock, Robert is listed as a mining
clerk.
My thoughts on this were that the 31 year old Robert was just one of many
clerks at the mine. However I have since discovered that from 1870 to 1873
Robert was in fact the Chief Agent at the Drakewalle mine in Calstock.
Okay, so he was not the owner but he was responsible for running it.
Drakewalle mine was operating from the 11th century right up until 1905. It
mined tin, copper, wolfram, arsenic, molybdenum, lead and silver.
During the time Robert was responsible it employed about 500 men.
Robert then leaves at 33 and runs the Queens Head Inn at Calstock and later
becomes a Farmer, Grocer, Draper.
Sounds like the occupation of a "financially comfortable" individual.
The question that arises though is why he only served for such a short time.
All his predecessors and those who came later served for 3-4 times as long.
If their was some scandal requiring him to leave then surely he would not
then run the local Inn.
Sounds like it is time for me to join the Calstock local history society.
Regards
Steve Coath
researching COATH One-Name Study
Listowner COATH-L
I Thought some of you may be interested in this site.
www.historicaldirectories.org
Just enter a surname in the search box and see what comes up.
So far I have found 23 COATH's.
Regards
Steve Coath
researching COATH One-Name Study
Listowner COATH-L
Hi all,
Just a quick note to let everyone know that I have in my possession all of
the COATH BMD records (Birth, Marriage and Death) for the UK from 1837 when
records begau right up to 2001.
I am aware that there are a few sites such as "FreeBMD" and "1837 online"
that sell this information, but as I already hold it why bother.
If anyone needs a look-up just drop me a line.
Regards
Steve Coath
researching COATH One-Name Study
Listowner COATH-L
Some time ago, I got wind that another researcher held the family bible
belonging to the COATH family hailing from Plymstock.
Despite repeated e-mails and letters I have still heard nothing from this
person, however, recently one of my other correspondents sent me a copy he
held of the writing in the front of the bible. It reads as follows:
John Penrose Coath, born April 10th 1783.
Edward Coath, born August 29th 1784.
Elizabeth Coath, born July 22nd 1786.
Robt and Rebekah Coath, born Nov 8th 1788.
William Coath, born Sep 15th 1790.
Katharine Coath, born October 10th 1793.
Thomas Coath, born November 21st 1795
He departed this life January 15th 1797.
Thomas Coath, born July 10th 1800.
All except the last entry are written in the same hand which I would imagine
to be either that of Robert Coath or of Rebecca (Penrose)
Now I know that some of you are descended from these folk, in particular
John Penrose, William, and Robert.
This is not a very good copy but if any of you want a copy through the post
then just send me an address.
I also have found information from the Crew Lists of Plymouth Ships
1806-1822, which shows Robert, John Penrose, Robert Junior and Thomas, the
vessels they served on,
the position they served in and the period.
Regards
Steve Coath
researching COATH One-Name Study
Listowner COATH-L
As I stated a few days ago, I am trying to obtain the parish registers for
Plymstock as the earliest descendants I have traced have been found in
Oreston.
Today I contacted the Devon Records Office and obtained a quote for these
registers on microfiche.
The cost...£82.50 which I thought was bad enough, ..............and a
further £120 made payable to the church.
Therefore I have only ordered the registers from the 1600s up to when civil
registration started.
On a similar note though, in an earlier message I was asking if anyone could
confirm that my Edward born 1813 was indeed the eldest son of Thomas Picken
Coath and Mary Honey. Thomas' father was Francis Coath. Francis parents were
Edward Coath and Avis Tonkin.
I obtained this data from another Coath researcher who I have not been in
touch with for some while, but the parish registers do not back it up.
Today another one of my correspondents sent me a transcript from the parish
register that shows that Edward was in fact the son of William and Mary
Coath.
William being the son of Robert Coath and Rebecca Penrose. Roberts parents
were Edward Coath and Avis Tonkin.
So it seems as if I had the wrong brother but at least now the source is
confirmed.
Steve Coath
researching COATH One-Name Study
Listowner COATH-L
For any of you who might be related to me (you may need to ask Steve to tell
you if you are) you might like to check out our family website at
http://www.tracycoath.freeuk.com
Graham Coath
Several months ago I purchased the 1891 London census on DVD and at the same
time I bought the partial index for the same.
Well, as luck would have it, none of the COATHs have yet been indexed.
Therefore several times a week I fire up the program and trawl through
drunken spider scrawls until such time as my eyes give up.
I am glad to say I have finally had the result I was looking for.
They moved out of 55 Half Moon Crescent where they were living in 1881.
Tucked away on RG12/121 folio 20 page 37 is the following:
3 Pitt Street, St Pancras
William Coath, Head, Marr. age 51, Bootmaker, born Devon, Plymouth.
Emma Coath, Wife, Marr. age 34, born London, Islington
Sidney Coath, Son, U, age 15, Errand Boy, born London, Islington
Alfred Coath, Son, U, age 13, Errand Boy, born London, Clerkenwell
From the looks of things 3 Pitt Street is a boarding house as there were 6
families living there for a total of 29 people.
I know that some of you are descended from this family so you may know that
I can find no mention of Emma's death or in fact William and Emma's
marriage.
Alfred died of Pneumonia in 1894 in St Pancras infirmary and by the time of
the 1901 census, Sidney was living in Edmonton with his wife and son and
William had returned to Plymouth where he is recorded as a 61 year old
widower. So I now know that at least she was alive in 1891.
Regards
Steve Coath
researching COATH One-Name Study
Listowner COATH-L
Hi everyone,
I thought I would just post a quick message to alleviate any fears of this
thing being broken.
At this current moment in time we have a dozen members with about the same
number still to reply so it's early days yet.
If anyone knows of anyone else who would be interested in joining then
please do not hesitate to inform them, as they say, "many hands make light
work".
Tomorrow (Saturday) it is the Society of Genealogists annual family history
fair in Westminster, so I shall be spending vast amounts of cash that I
don't have there.
My plans are to try to obtain microfiche of the Parish registers for
Plymstock, at the very least, plus anything else that takes my fancy.
I have just finished gathering all of the COATH entries in the 1861 Cornwall
census, which amounts to 14 families.
The 1891 London census has proved to be a nightmare as none of the COATH
entries have been indexed. It is on 38 cds (or 3 dvd's which I have) and I
am having to look through each page searching for our descendants in barely
legible script.
The next thing is the lists of Master Mariners held at the PRO.
Steve Coath
researching COATH One-Name Study
Listowner COATH-L
Welcome to this, the mailing list for all those researching COATH family
history or descended from COATH's, and its variants, Coathe's, Couth's etc.
The purpose of this list is to act as a forum in order to gather and share
information relating to this group of Cornish families and their subsequent
migration across the border into Devon and beyond to the far side of the
world.
The idea of the list is that everytime a member posts to the lists, a copy
of their message is sent to every member. In this way we will all be able to
share the research and hopefully interact with each other to fill in the
blanks.
For instance, I find a Coath reference in a book at the SOG and post a
message about it. One of the other members then recognises that person from
their own line and therefore can add it to their own research.
I would imagine that each of us holds some information, even a small
amount.Sometimes that is enough to link huge chunks of information
togethe.Therefore between us that should prove to be a substantial amount.
The list is an archive. That is to say that anything posted will be kept
until such time as the servers are shut down.
Messages once posted cannot be edited or removed, even by me.
The archive site for this list is:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/COATH
Enjoy
Steve Coath
researching COATH One-Name Study