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Hi, I'm new to this group. I have cousins in my tree with the Coates surname, and I will appreciate if you will take a look in my online tree and see if you possibly are connected. If you are a descendant, will you please contact me? And many thanks! Search here: http://www.cdagro.com/TNG/
For your information the most popular surnames in my tree are Houston, Robertson, Moore, Camp, Brown, and Baugh, but I have a total of almost 6900 individuals in the tree right now.
Best Regards,
Dean Moore http://www.cdagro.com/TNG/
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This is very intriguing information that could provide a break-through for
Jane Smiley Coats/Coates who married Howell Jarrett in Wilkes County,
Georgia. Cynthia
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:31 PM, John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net> wrote:
> Linda; et. al, I've found the copy of the will of James Coats of
> Edgefield, who married Elizabeth Scott. It is hard to read. It mentions
> John who may have been his oldest son, and Grace who married a Smiley.
> Some years ago, a government agent of some kind who descended from this
> man was on the list for a little while, but once he got what he wanted
> he hasn't been on since. This line used to be on Ancestry.com, but I
> can't find it now. If we find the line from James of Edgefield, we
> should be able to prove he was the son of John Gentleman, since his
> descendant tested R1b1 the same as Marmaduke. The naming patterns of
> these families are different except for all the Jameses and Johns.
>
> John W.
>
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Linda; et. al, I've found the copy of the will of James Coats of
Edgefield, who married Elizabeth Scott. It is hard to read. It mentions
John who may have been his oldest son, and Grace who married a Smiley.
Some years ago, a government agent of some kind who descended from this
man was on the list for a little while, but once he got what he wanted
he hasn't been on since. This line used to be on Ancestry.com, but I
can't find it now. If we find the line from James of Edgefield, we
should be able to prove he was the son of John Gentleman, since his
descendant tested R1b1 the same as Marmaduke. The naming patterns of
these families are different except for all the Jameses and Johns.
John W.
Cool. Do you know who her father or grandfather was? Thanks, Linda Coate
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:14 PM, <CatchesTheWind(a)aol.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am also doing research for Coats that went from KY to MO. I have a
> picture of Jemima Coats who was born in MO ca 1829 and died in Oklahoma
> 1902. She looks like she is Native American.
>
> Thank You
>
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Hello,
I am also doing research for Coats that went from KY to MO. I have a
picture of Jemima Coats who was born in MO ca 1829 and died in Oklahoma
1902. She looks like she is Native American.
Thank You
Well, just my 2 cents worth, I'm inclined to agree, that the answers ly
somewhere that we'd not suspect and KY is an under researched area for
Coats/Coates...had it not been for John Bakers Rev War dec, I probably would
never have done any research there...but also remember it was John Coats I
believe that had done a power of attorney for someone in Chester County SC,
so I know there was some connection to KY for them...the Tax records really
made the connection clearer and also there is a John Coats in Logan County
KY later than my group and I suspect he is the same John Coats that did the
Power of attorney in Chester County SC...but once again, the DNA testing is
by far the best way to make that initial connection and then put the paper
together...
I am however, not real pleased with FTDNA since, there was a geneists from
China doing DNA testing of the entire genome at no cost to the participant,
excuse the spelling of those, but FTDNA from what I've heard got rather
upset with him, when he started contacting folks out of their public
database for further DNA testing...the guy in China was trying to close a
gap in the Haplo W group...at any rate, he quit contacting folks....seems to
me, it should be the choice of the participant whether or not they want to
do further research, not FTDNA....'nough said....:)
Back to your thoughts....the south part of north Carolina and the north part
of south Carolina border was also in dispute in those early days, ...and
yes, the back country folks were not real pro government...but in a lot of
cases, they owned land, so in those early days, that is really one of the
best sources for info, likewise tax records, the government always wanted
their share....:) and in SC most deeds in those early days had to be filed
in Charleston...well that was quit a ride from the back country, so in some
cases, the deeds may not have gotten filed....or in those early days, the
early deed was filed in another state or county, which then later had a
border change. Or they lived in an unsettled area and they had no deed,
that by the way is what a pre-emption coverd, they settled the land but got
the deed later...Now John Baker also mentions in his dec that he lived along
the *Poe River* for quite a few years, that being a River in KY as well,
although I think today it's spelled differently....I might also mention that
there are Baker records in Logan County KY that also indicate several
directions a Baker line could go, with no clues as to which way....another
controversy in the Baker family...so the only thing you can really do is
leave it open until further research is done....
And last but not least the old research in a lot of cases has muddied the
waters, when the records really could support several different
directions....early researchers made a lot of guesses and lumped a lot of
folks together .....
Char
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:14 PM, John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net> wrote:
> Maybe we can use this to our advantage in finding James Robert's parents. I
> paid $24 for this dang book, State Boundaries of America, by Tegan and Jerry
> Hansen. " 1729 is used when 7 of 8 of the Proprietor Heirs selling out,
> ownership thus reverting back to the King, and each Carolina became a
> separate Royal Charter. State Boundaries entries show the state and each
> year a significant development occured: for example, Virginia (1606, 1609,
> 1665, 1776, 1784, _1788_, and 1862." So, the state lines were obviously
> blurred. Just as in our county, all the lot lines are off by 3 to 5 feet,
> because they were surveyed with rod and chain before a certain date.
> Nowadays new subdivisions are done by GPS, or lazer my attorney tells me.
> Here is NC, SC.
> NC 1663, 1665, 1729, 1760s, _1789_. SC 1663, 1729,
> 1760s, 1787, _1788_.
> _"A Virtual Museum of Surveying_ article aptly describes the lack of
> documentation during the 1700s" "Using some markers from 1815 the modern
> boundary is described and recorded in _1996_." The book also mentions how
> the people in the "back country" really resented governmental intrusion into
> their private lives. They wanted to be isolated, and probably didn't really
> know which state they were in. In the 2000 census my wife and I only gave
> our name, age, and occupation. We will do the same this year.
> Now to KY-TN. KY 1776, _1792_, 1820. TN 1789, 1790, _1796_ 1820. "1820
> Interstate Compromise." " A long running dispute was finally settled by use
> of the "Walker Line" east of the Tennessee River and true 36degree 30' to
> the west." With this agreement, the State Line was moved 13 miles to the
> South. So I think our James Robert may have lived in that area that became
> part of Kentucky when they first moved to Robertson Cty. TN. Hope y'all
> find this interesting. There are a bunch of hot links listed in the back of
> the book, but I'm done for today.
>
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Maybe we can use this to our advantage in finding James Robert's
parents. I paid $24 for this dang book, State Boundaries of America, by
Tegan and Jerry Hansen. " 1729 is used when 7 of 8 of the Proprietor
Heirs selling out, ownership thus reverting back to the King, and each
Carolina became a separate Royal Charter. State Boundaries entries show
the state and each year a significant development occured: for example,
Virginia (1606, 1609, 1665, 1776, 1784, _1788_, and 1862." So, the state
lines were obviously blurred. Just as in our county, all the lot lines
are off by 3 to 5 feet, because they were surveyed with rod and chain
before a certain date. Nowadays new subdivisions are done by GPS, or
lazer my attorney tells me. Here is NC, SC.
NC 1663, 1665, 1729, 1760s, _1789_. SC 1663,
1729, 1760s, 1787, _1788_.
_"A Virtual Museum of Surveying_ article aptly describes the lack of
documentation during the 1700s" "Using some markers from 1815 the modern
boundary is described and recorded in _1996_." The book also mentions
how the people in the "back country" really resented governmental
intrusion into their private lives. They wanted to be isolated, and
probably didn't really know which state they were in. In the 2000
census my wife and I only gave our name, age, and occupation. We will do
the same this year.
Now to KY-TN. KY 1776, _1792_, 1820. TN 1789, 1790, _1796_ 1820. "1820
Interstate Compromise." " A long running dispute was finally settled by
use of the "Walker Line" east of the Tennessee River and true 36degree
30' to the west." With this agreement, the State Line was moved 13 miles
to the South. So I think our James Robert may have lived in that area
that became part of Kentucky when they first moved to Robertson Cty.
TN. Hope y'all find this interesting. There are a bunch of hot links
listed in the back of the book, but I'm done for today.
I'd like to say we can assume that but we have kit #95636 who has R1A1
in our group whose DNA is totally different than the James Robert
Coats group. It is not a kit for whom we know the oldest ancestor,
only their statement that their ancestors came from England. Sorry
about that. Linda Coate
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:49 PM, John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net> wrote:
> Can I assume with any certainty that everyone who tested as R1a1 DNA
> descended from James Robert Coats and or John Webster Coats? That would
> make the James Robert Coats family completely separate from Gentleman
> John, Marmaduke, and James of Edgefield.
>
> John W. Coats
>
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I don't think so...seems there are other R1a1s that didn't match our
group....look at the markers not the Haplo...my group descends from William
and Frances in SC for sure, the problem is John we don't know what happened
to the John and James related to this group...possible your James Robert is
a son of one of them ... we just don't have enough info about what happened
to that John and James in SC to know....:(
Char
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 2:49 PM, John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net> wrote:
> Can I assume with any certainty that everyone who tested as R1a1 DNA
> descended from James Robert Coats and or John Webster Coats? That would
> make the James Robert Coats family completely separate from Gentleman
> John, Marmaduke, and James of Edgefield.
>
> John W. Coats
>
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A shameless plug for my web activities:
Support Authentic Cherokee Art - look for the Cherokee Authentication tag -
that insures they are a tribal citizen
Indian Arts and Craft Act:
http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com
Freedmen vs Cherokee Nation:
http://freedmenvscherokeenation.blogspot.com/
Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association:
http://cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org/
Cherokee Basket Weaving Books:
http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving
Cherokee Artists Association
http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org
Coats Archive:
http://www.coatsarchive.us
Pages Through Time
http://www.pagesthroughtime.us
Can I assume with any certainty that everyone who tested as R1a1 DNA
descended from James Robert Coats and or John Webster Coats? That would
make the James Robert Coats family completely separate from Gentleman
John, Marmaduke, and James of Edgefield.
John W. Coats