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We are getting some big breaks in the DNA group recently. A tester
likely descended from Little John has also joined the group. Right now
we're trying to get the kit results improved to 37 points for Big John's
group and we need monetary donations to do it. Here's the link to make
it very easy to contribute even $20.00 to the effort.
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-general-fund-contribution.aspx In a
recent article in AARP magazine, the largest DNA group worldwide had 81
members and we're almost up to 70..... It's wonderful. If you know
of any Coates who haven't joined, we have people waitinig to correspond
with their cousins. Thanks for all your support. Linda Coate, Admin.
Since many Coates families also tie into this line, I wanted to pass this
along. As a heads-up, the Jay Family Association (JFA) will be publishing
an article in its upcoming April 2009 newsletter pertaining to the
following. The article will also be posted on the Members Only Section of
the website www.jayfamily.org . It will be moved to the public portion of
the website in August 2009.
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!! DNA Confirms that Thomas JOY of Hingham, Massachusetts is not an
Immigrant Ancestor to the JAY Family in America !!
Recent DNA results have confirmed what experienced JAY family researchers
have understood for many years, Thomas JOY of Hingham, Massachusetts (m.
Joan Gallup), is not the immigrant ancestor of any of the known colonial JAY
families in America.
Both the JAY and JOY families in America started DNA projects several years
ago and have been testing individuals in an effort to determine the origins
and possible kinship of their specific lines. One of the goals was to
determine if the JAY and the JOY families were actually related by a common
ancestor. More specifically, the JAY DNA project was attempting to prove or
disprove a relationship to Thomas JOY of Hingham, MA who migrated to America
in 1635 and married Joan Gallup there.
While testing will continue and more confirming data will be discovered over
the upcoming years, it can now be unequivocally stated no JAY family in
America descended from Thomas JOY of Hingham, MA.
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Additionally, the article will discuss and illustrate the 19th century books
that were published about Thomas JOY and his descendants before extensive
JAY family research began. It will also illustrate how his JOY surname was
published for the first time as JAY in November 1928.
If you are not a JFA member and have specific questions, you may email me
directly entech.design(a)verizon.net .
Vince King
Immediate Past-President
Jay Family Association
www.jayfamily.org
You are absolutely right. In the Marmaduke group, it is very important
to extend the DNA matches from 12 to 25 or 37. That is because it's
such a common set of 12 points. It does make it more likely that it's
Big John because five members had traced their genealogy back to Big
John (though the sons they went through were only listed as his sons in
2nd hand sources until this DNA match of Wright Coats). What I
recommend is that those of you who descend from Big John donate what you
can in the way of cash to our group so that his descendant can get the
37 points tested. It is not something he can afford himself - but it
certainly would put this good point to rest one way or the other. How
about it? It wouldn't be a lot between 5 people to help with that.
Thanks everyone for your assistance. Linda Coate
On 3/1/2009 3:02 PM, K Hamilton wrote:
> Unfortunately, the descendant of Wright Coate tested only the first 12
> markers. And as it turns out, this result is one of the most common if you
> just look at the first 12 numbers. It matches to a lot of people. My
> cousin, who is a descendant of William Coats, d. 1812, Halifax County, VA,
> also matched to the Marmaduke on the first 12 numbers (kit 7658 in the DNA
> chart). We were an exact match when we took the 12 marker test. Because
> that particular set of numbers is so common, it would have mistakenly led
> us to start researching in SC for possible leads. But before doing that,
> we upgraded the test to 37 markers and found out that we are not at all
> related - at least not in the past 200 or 300 years which is the time
> period we are interested in for genealogy. We are related, but from MUCH
> further than that to go back to find a common ancestor.
>
> It may indeed be true that the Big John and Marmaduke Coats families are
> related and it may be that DNA will give you support for that belief. But
> before saying that, you need to upgrade the test for the descendant of
> Wright Coate to 37 markers to see if it still matches when looking at more
> markers. I would encourage others in this group who have only 12 markers
> tested to also upgrade to 37 markers. You might turn out to match William
> Coats of VA when looking at 37 markers instead of thinking that you belong
> to the SC group. But then again it might be a match on all 37 markers to
> the Marmaduke Coats descendants - and then you would have better proof.
>
> Kathryn Hamilton
>
>
>
>
>> Well, we finally have a definitive answer on which group is related to
>> Big John Coate of SC in our DNA project. John Coats was able to find a
>> descendant of Wright Coate who is clearly named as the son of Big John
>> in his will. John did so much to finally help us know, and we thank you
>> much John!!! Kudos goes to that participant too. What Wright Coat's
>> DNA tells us is that Big John is related to all the people in
>> Marmaduke's group that believed they were related to Big John. As a
>> descendant of Marmaduke, I had people write me from Big John's line
>> that had the tradition that he was Marmaduke's brother. I didn't
>> believe it likely till now. The only strange connection I had to him
>> was that Big John's descendant's wife in the early 1900's received all
>> the family information for my Marmaduke and I always wondered why.
>> So, for all of you who've been pondering your relationship to Big John,
>> we just had a big piece of the puzzle drop into place. I've placed the
>> new DNA evidence up and renamed the Marmaduke group to Big John and
>> Marmaduke Coate because there are more people currently in the group
>> with ties to Big John than Marmaduke. We've also received back 2 more
>> kits evidence who are waiting for more persons to join to find cousins.
>> We've had another new member sign up this week. We are going to town
>> people. Who would have ever thought we were such a diverse group?
>> Linda Coate P.S. The info is up at
>> http://www.ancestrees.com/dna/family.html Enjoy.
>>
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Well, we finally have a definitive answer on which group is related to
Big John Coate of SC in our DNA project. John Coats was able to find a
descendant of Wright Coate who is clearly named as the son of Big John
in his will. John did so much to finally help us know, and we thank you
much John!!! Kudos goes to that participant too. What Wright Coat's
DNA tells us is that Big John is related to all the people in
Marmaduke's group that believed they were related to Big John. As a
descendant of Marmaduke, I had people write me from Big John's line
that had the tradition that he was Marmaduke's brother. I didn't
believe it likely till now. The only strange connection I had to him
was that Big John's descendant's wife in the early 1900's received all
the family information for my Marmaduke and I always wondered why.
So, for all of you who've been pondering your relationship to Big John,
we just had a big piece of the puzzle drop into place. I've placed the
new DNA evidence up and renamed the Marmaduke group to Big John and
Marmaduke Coate because there are more people currently in the group
with ties to Big John than Marmaduke. We've also received back 2 more
kits evidence who are waiting for more persons to join to find cousins.
We've had another new member sign up this week. We are going to town
people. Who would have ever thought we were such a diverse group?
Linda Coate P.S. The info is up at
http://www.ancestrees.com/dna/family.html Enjoy.