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Our new Coats DNA page is coming along thanks to everyone's help. This
letter is intended to answer some of the questions I've had.
1. You are welcome to submit a short or lengthy report on your Coate/s
line including sources to be linked to your kit number on our page at
html://www.ancestrees.com/dna/family.html. Some members have submitted
one pagers and others have submitted descendants charts from their
oldest verified ancestor with all of that ancestors known descendants
generated by their genealogy programs. Either is fine. It is
preferable that they are not in pdf format. If you have a choice, an
.rtf (Rich Text Format) or just the data directly in your email
transfers best.
2. This is free. I've already paid for the site and so there is no
extra cost to you.
3. Your information or email contact helps others who think they might
be related to share their information with you and visa versa.
4. If you'd like to submit information, your website or an email
address to be linked, please just email me. You are always welcome to
update your information or ask questions also.
Have a lovely weekend. On behalf of all of us, thanks. Linda Coate
Does anyone know how this Jonathan J. Coates ties into a Coates family?
Clemency for John J. Coats
Added by pagan420prince
<http://www.ancestry.com/community/member/profile.aspx?cba=pagan420prince>
on 6 Apr 2007
South Carolina
Marion District
We the undersigned citizens of Marion District, understanding that John
Coats of Co _ 23 Regt SCV is under sentence of death for desertion
confined in prison in Petersburg, Va, with a view to mitigate the death
penalty and of recommending the said John Coats to executive clemency,
state, that we have long known the said John Coats, and cheerfully bear
testimony to his good character __He is an honest, and poor man, with a
wife and four or five little children extremely poor dependent on the
said Coats__Coats is at the same time a very ignorant uninformed man, we
are satisfied that his desertion or rather his absenteeism from the army
(for we can not think that though he may be technically guilty of
desertion, his crisis cant be classed with those deserters who
obstenately persist in refusing to fight) was caused by an ardent desire
to see his family__We do not think that he is one that would desert or
betray his country__This much is to be said of Coats that in the
beginnig of this war he volunteered in the company to which he now belongs__
The undersigned, think this case of Coats is over well deserving of
executive clemency so we recommend him
G. Berry
E. Berry
B. Lane
Henry Berry
S. A. Hargrove, Magst
Wm. P. Campbell Sherriff Marion District
C. D. Evans
W. W. Sellers
Thos. C. Moody Clk. of Court
2842 -page 298
chap. 1, Book 198
Rebel Archives
Record Division
War Department
Mil. Justice
Interesting. Thanks. Linda
Coats Family History wrote:
> Ok, I've gotten a new book called: Quaker in South Carolina, Wateree
> and Bush River, Cane Creek, Piney Grove and Charleston Meetings by Rev
> Silas Lucas
>
> on page 21 under Pine Tree Hill chapter - by the way, this little book
> is about the Camden early folks including the Quakers, of interest to
> some might be the map of Camden with plats on it as early as the
> 1740s...a Samuel Wyly shows up in Camden as early as 1761...at any
> rate on page 21 of the book:
>
> The Quaker sect, after planting their settlements, received few
> accessions, and were steadily disintegrated or merged by marriage into
> other denominations. Another cause of their decline, as expressed by
> Colonel Shannon, was the "advancing civilzation of slavery." Says
> O'Neall: "In the beginning Friends were slaveowners in South
> Carolina. They, however, soon set their faces against it, and in
> their peculiar language, they have borne their testimoney against the
> institutuion of slavery as irreligious. Such of their members as
> refused to emancipate their slaves, when emancipation was practicable
> in this state, they disowned. Samuel Kelly, who was the owner of a
> slave or slaves in 1762, when he came from Camden, refused to
> emanncipate his, on the ground that he had bought and paid for them;
> they were therefore his property; and that they were a great deal
> better off as his property. He was therefore disowned. His brother's
> children manumitted theirs."
>
> So be careful with blanket statements that Quakers did no own slaves....
>
>
He cites Historic Camden, SC by Kirkland and Kennedy published 1905
for a lot of his material...
>From what I can gather, it was first called Pine Tree Hill,
Frederickburg township...then it was named Camden, the city much
later....the area on both sides of the Waterees River below and above
what is now Camden was known as *the Waterees, sometimes used to
designate Fredrickburg, the township on the eastern side. Thomas
Brown as an Indian trader during this time period of 1735.
First land owners were:
James Ousley 300 acres on western side of the Wateree River dated
1733, this land passed to Nebo Gaunt the Quaker, then Joseph Kershaw
and then Henry Savage
The earliest grant on the Camden side is in 1737, in which a group of
families received percepts for land in Fredrickburg township:
Adam Strain - family of 4
David Alexander - family of 2
James McGowan - family of 6
Hugh McCutchin - family of 2
Michale Harris - family of 1
William Seawright - family of 5
Robert Seawright - family of 1
recall it was 50 acres per each family member...also in 1736 there was
a family murdered by the Indians in Pine Tree Creek...there are two
creeks that run on the east side of Camden, Little Pine Tree Creek
which runs off of Big Pine Tree Creek, which runs south of Camden
William Seawright and Robert Seawright settled in Blemont Neck, just
south of Mulberry; Hugh McCutchin, Michale Harris and James McGowen
about seven miles southeast of Camden, on waters of Swift Creek; Adam
Strain and David Alexander cannot be precisely located, but were
probably with hailing distance of some of the others - they were all
located along the Wateree River just west of what is now
Camden...there are no new settlers in this area until about 6 years
later and from 1743 to 1750 there were 36 additional families that
arrive and settle in around round Pine Tree Hill, which later becomes
the City of Camden...others settled outside of Fredrickburg in the
wilds of Gum Swamp which was northeast of Camden; Howard and Gamble
took land on White Oak Creek; Mahaffy and Brannon on Grannys Quarter
Cree and Ragland in 1749 on Ragland Creek, which was named after him.
On the western side of the River there was Wright on Wrights Branch,
Gibsons, Paine, Harrison, Hill, Russell, Gregory, Paget, Scott,
Roberts, Arledge, McKenzie and others....
In 1750-51 came a group of Irish Quakers, who came most probably via
the river and landed near Camden, precise date not known. Earliest
grant is in 1751 to Josiah Tomlinson in West Wateree and Robert
Milhouse 1751 in Friends Neck in West Wateree among this group:
Milhouse, Daniel Mathis and Sophia his wife, English, John Belton,
Abraham Belton who did not come out until late 1770s, Evans, John
Wright; Samuel Kelly and Hannah Belton, his wife; Russell; Josiah
Tomlinson; John Furnass; Nebo Gaunt; Samuel Wyly and Dinah Milhouse
his wife; Adamson, in most cases several of each surname.
Not sure all these are Quaker: Thomas; Buxton, Haley, Moon, Melone,
Widos, Plunkett, Morgridge, Watson, Toland, Tod, Cook, Christmas,
Downing, Dunsworth, Finin, Courson, Cain...it was some eight or ten
years after the arrival of these Quakers before a single one of their
number or any other person obtained a grant for any land now within
the boundaries od Camden.
Samuel Wyly, surveyor and merchant, of whom much has been said in the
Indian Chapter, acquired the tracts of Bryan Rork, Roger Paget and
William Bready, lying to the Southwest of Camden just beyond the
Cemetery, now the Smyrl place. His dwelling must have been beyond the
town limits for although his son, Samuel was born in 1756, yet Samuel
Mathis born four years later, is accredited as the first male native
to Camden. He went first to Willamsburg and came to Fredrickburg in
1752, a year later than his other Friends but from that time to his
death, sixteen years after, he was the most prominent member of the
colony and his store its chief center and nucleus, until the coming of
Joseph Kershaw. The business of Wyly & Co., conducted by his sons,
existed during the Revolution.
North of Wyly between the river toll bridge road and the Indian Mound,
John Belton, surveyor located purchasing the tracts of Mark
Catterton...several families settle on Pine Tree Creek and the
Milhouses on Town Creek and Swift Creek and some on Spears Creek about
13 miles south of Camden...Quakers settled on West Wateree, such as
the Gaunts, Kellys and Evanses. Their meeting house and graveyard
were on the eastern side within what is now the city limits of
Camden...Samuel Wyly in 1758 deeded the land for the cemetery...the
meeting house has long been obliterated the Quaker graves likewise
have been encroached upon bt some evidently ancient are still marked
by a mere arching of bricks...the Quaker lot was enlarged from time to
time and is now the present Cemetery for Camden - 1806 Robert Evans
was married in Camden and then went to Newberry, he married Keren
Happuch Gaunt.
Samuel Kelly settled in West Wateree, north of Camden, he was from
Kings County, Ireland and his wife, Hannah Belton, of Queens County, a
sister of John Belton. John Furnass and Robert Evans went to Newberry
from Camden as did Samuel Kelly...Samuel Wyly remained at Pine Tree
Hill...
Names among the Quakers although not Quaker - 1750-1755, John Cantey,
Francis Lee, Richard Kirkland and Joseph Kirkland, Joseph Mickle, John
Drakeford, William Boykin, ...among many others...
Just where the store of Samuel Wyly was situated nothing has been
found to determine. He became, however, quite a landowner;
more later...
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Does anyone have knowledge of a family with 2 sons in it named William
and James Coats? William would have been born in the 1760's and James
would have been born in the later 1770's. Thanks. Linda Coate
Ok, I've gotten a new book called: Quaker in South Carolina, Wateree
and Bush River, Cane Creek, Piney Grove and Charleston Meetings by Rev
Silas Lucas
on page 21 under Pine Tree Hill chapter - by the way, this little book
is about the Camden early folks including the Quakers, of interest to
some might be the map of Camden with plats on it as early as the
1740s...a Samuel Wyly shows up in Camden as early as 1761...at any
rate on page 21 of the book:
The Quaker sect, after planting their settlements, received few
accessions, and were steadily disintegrated or merged by marriage into
other denominations. Another cause of their decline, as expressed by
Colonel Shannon, was the "advancing civilzation of slavery." Says
O'Neall: "In the beginning Friends were slaveowners in South
Carolina. They, however, soon set their faces against it, and in
their peculiar language, they have borne their testimoney against the
institutuion of slavery as irreligious. Such of their members as
refused to emancipate their slaves, when emancipation was practicable
in this state, they disowned. Samuel Kelly, who was the owner of a
slave or slaves in 1762, when he came from Camden, refused to
emanncipate his, on the ground that he had bought and paid for them;
they were therefore his property; and that they were a great deal
better off as his property. He was therefore disowned. His brother's
children manumitted theirs."
So be careful with blanket statements that Quakers did no own slaves....
--
A shameless plug for my web activities:
Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal
registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage
and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian!
Indian Arts and Craft Act:
http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com
Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association:
http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org
Cherokee Basketweaving Books:
http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving
Cherokee Artists Association
http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org
Cherokees of Orange County
http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org
Coats Archive:
http://www.coatsarchive.us
Pages Through Time
http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime
The FamilyTreeDNA page appears to be up and running again. I've also
improved the Family Lineage Page that includes that DNA data now if
you'd like to take a look. It's at
http://www.ancestrees.com/dna/family.html. Thank you to all of you
whom are handing in your genealogy with SOURCES and links to your
specific webpages. Those whom still need to submit there data, please
use the following guidelines:
1. Submit only those generations which are proven. If you include
theory, clearly state that and provide your detailed reasoning.
2. Always submit major sources proving your lineage. The lineage is
only as good as your sourcing.
3. Leave off living generations.
4. Provide your email address if you wish fellow researchers and
possible cousins to contact you.
5. Include your kit number if you have that on hand.
If you've omitted and of this info from what you have submitted, please
follow up with improvements.
THANKS from all of us!
Linda Coate and John W. Coats
I just talked with FamilyTree DNA. Our Y-DNA results website is
currently down. They are in the middle of trying to fix a problem with
their servers and this is a top priority of their computer technical
team. It's been going on for the last few days - but they did not say
they have a solution, simply that they were working on it. If and when
anyone gets it to work at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/coats/,
let us all know! Thanks. Linda Coate
I'd forward any directly to me with any that have a Coates researchers'
email address on them. That would be great though I wonder if I can
deal with the load. :) Yes, my letter eventually came through. I
think she reads each one of mine first. Any where I've tried to help
people know how to submit their info hasn't made it up. I'll treat
that as funny. :) Linda
John Coats wrote:
> Linda Coate wrote: Linda; This one came through. I don't know
> anything about a "wrap". I was thinking of forwarding all the history
> and links that Charlotte put on the list before she went private. I've
> kept most, and there is a ton of it. Some others might benefit. What do
> you think?
>
>
>> There is a wonderful fairly new site for Curry Rivel Parish, Somerset,
>> England that has transcribed baptismal, and marriage records. Here is
>> one of the names I had not seen published any where else before and it's
>> a line that hasn't been traced forward in our discussions. It's at:
>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~davidbeare/CurryRivel/i...
>>
>>
>> 35 11 M John Coatt s/o Marmaduke Rebekah 26 JAN 1690/1
>>
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There is a wonderful fairly new site for Curry Rivel Parish, Somerset,
England that has transcribed baptismal, and marriage records. Here is
one of the names I had not seen published any where else before and it's
a line that hasn't been traced forward in our discussions. It's at:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~davidbeare/CurryRivel/i...
35 11 M John Coatt s/o Marmaduke Rebekah 26 JAN 1690/1