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Coats Family History wrote: Dear List; There is a possibility that all
the Jameses are the same person. Every time one regiment joined another,
another index card was printed. Thus all the duplicate records in the
War of 1812 and the Civil War. Darn, my first son is named Christopher.
I thought he was the first.
>Source: Tennesseans in the War of 1812 by Byron & Sistler, 1992
>
>Coates
>Barton, Pvt. Col A. Cheatham, Capt Richard Benson, Inf
>James, Cpl, Col Thomas Benton, Capt William Moore, Vol Inf *
>Lesly, Pvt, Col John Williams, Capt David Vance, Mtd Mil
>William, Sgt, Regt Commander omitted, Capt Nathan Davis, Branch srvce omitted
>Benjmain, Pvt, Col Samuel Bayless, Capt Joseph Rich, E TN inf
>
>Coats
>Christopher, Pvt, Col Ewen Allison, Capt Jonas Loughmiller, Mil
>David, Pvt, Col John Brown, Capt John Childs, E TN Vol Mtd Gunmen
>Henry (Kinsey), Pvt, Col Samuel Wear, Capt Joseph Callway, Mtd Inf
>James, 2 Cpl, Col Thomas Benton, Capt William Moore, Vol Inf *
>James, 3 Cpl, Maj Gen William-Carroll, Col James Raulston, Capt Edward
>Robinson, Inf
>James, Cpl, Col Thomas Benton, Capt William Moore, Vol Inf *
>James, Pvt, Col John Brown, Capt John Childs, E TN Vol Mtd Gunmen
>
>* a good possiblity that these three James' are the same person
>
>
>
Greg; The James Robert Coats family history is probably in Linda
Coate's archives. Ancestrees.com?
If you are descended from James Elgin, your DNA should match exactly
that of myself and several others on the list at coatsarchives.us. You
should do the 37 markers which is probably of the most value. I think it
costs $191? You can order that at ancestrybyDNA. The earliest record I
have is:
James R. Coats,b1786,NC?m1807,at Newberry, SC., Elizabeth Webster, b.
1787NC/SC? If you have anything further back from that, it would break a
brick wall which has existed for years.
John Coats
Source: Tennesseans in the War of 1812 by Byron & Sistler, 1992
Coates
Barton, Pvt. Col A. Cheatham, Capt Richard Benson, Inf
James, Cpl, Col Thomas Benton, Capt William Moore, Vol Inf *
Lesly, Pvt, Col John Williams, Capt David Vance, Mtd Mil
William, Sgt, Regt Commander omitted, Capt Nathan Davis, Branch srvce omitted
Benjmain, Pvt, Col Samuel Bayless, Capt Joseph Rich, E TN inf
Coats
Christopher, Pvt, Col Ewen Allison, Capt Jonas Loughmiller, Mil
David, Pvt, Col John Brown, Capt John Childs, E TN Vol Mtd Gunmen
Henry (Kinsey), Pvt, Col Samuel Wear, Capt Joseph Callway, Mtd Inf
James, 2 Cpl, Col Thomas Benton, Capt William Moore, Vol Inf *
James, 3 Cpl, Maj Gen William-Carroll, Col James Raulston, Capt Edward
Robinson, Inf
James, Cpl, Col Thomas Benton, Capt William Moore, Vol Inf *
James, Pvt, Col John Brown, Capt John Childs, E TN Vol Mtd Gunmen
* a good possiblity that these three James' are the same person
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Wishing you all a very very Merry Christmas!!
Char
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R1B1-Niall and the Nine Hostages.
21.5% of all Irish men are related to Niall a powerful 5 century
chieftain.Who's dynasty dominted Ireland for 6 Centuries.But the Surname
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by Ui Neills.
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I was reading about the War of 1812 and the Battle of Horseshoe Bend
was part of that War...as you recall Wilson Coats who was in prison in
TN was wounded at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend...so he could have been
the Wilson Coats who is listed as in the War of 1812 in NC...he is not
listed in the War of 1812 Soldiers for TN...
Will post those names in a bit...but there are at least 3 James Coats'
that were in the War of 1812 in TN...
Char
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Ahhhh. This is a branch that has been determined to have a slightly
different path than published in the 1950's. James Robert's father is
now unknown but we are working on it. I'm sure that doesn't make your
day, but we have DNA results that show he is in a grouping related to
Charlotte Coats who runs a great website on the net at:
http://www.coatsarchive.us or the DNA part at
http://www.coatsarchive.us/dna.htm. I'm sure they'd love your
participation to help verify that your lineage is indeed with those
cousins. It's relatively inexpensive now, private and nothing more
than a couple saliva swabs. All of our information charted out by kit
number is helping us a great deal. I'll get back you after the
holidays. So glad you wrote. I suspect they still have quite a bit of
new information on your line to give you. Linda Coate
Coats Family History wrote:
> ________________________________
> From: gregcoats(a)bellsouth.net
> To: coats(a)hotmail.com
> Subject: Coats Genealogy-MS
> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:02:34 -0600
>
>
> Hi-
> My name is Joseph Gregory Coats (Greg), and I am from Petal,
> Mississippi. I'm interested in finding out more about the Coats
> ancestry, and was wondering if I could possibly help you all figure
> which "William Coats/John Coats of SC" belongs to what branch of the
> family. My great uncle (Charles Alexander Coats) had someone research
> our particular family tree sometime in the late 1950s; however, our
> "tree" is traced back to a William Coate(s) from Newberry, SC, and we
> can't figure out exactly which William Coate(s) we are descended from.
> I do know that my great-great grandfather was James Elgin Coats
> (notice, no "e" in Coats) b.1819 d. 1898, and we are pretty certain
> that his father was James Robert Coats (again, no "e"), b.1786 d.
> 1861. We think James Robert moved from the Newberry area of SC to
> Meridian, MS (he is buried in Meridian).
> I'd be happy to participate in a DNA project, or help with any
> information that my family may have in the form or papers, old "family
> trees," etc.
> Thank you, and looking forward to hearing from you!
> J. Gregory Coats
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I do not know...I did not see her name among Williams kids ... I don't
have the complete line on James...
Char
On 12/22/06, CatchesTheWind(a)aol.com <CatchesTheWind(a)aol.com> wrote:
> Was he kin to Jemima Coats?
>
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Oh, I've probably not spelled that middle name incorrectly...
However, James is believed to be the brother of the William Coats wife
Sarah buried in the Welch Cemetery in Oklahoma...both of these lines
married into the Cherokees, they were ophaned when young...you'll
notice on William's Indian papers there are no parents listed for him,
so that is probably the reason why...they are believed to have come
out of TN, exact location not known...
Char
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From: gregcoats(a)bellsouth.net
To: coats(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Coats Genealogy-MS
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:02:34 -0600
Hi-
My name is Joseph Gregory Coats (Greg), and I am from Petal,
Mississippi. I'm interested in finding out more about the Coats
ancestry, and was wondering if I could possibly help you all figure
which "William Coats/John Coats of SC" belongs to what branch of the
family. My great uncle (Charles Alexander Coats) had someone research
our particular family tree sometime in the late 1950s; however, our
"tree" is traced back to a William Coate(s) from Newberry, SC, and we
can't figure out exactly which William Coate(s) we are descended from.
I do know that my great-great grandfather was James Elgin Coats
(notice, no "e" in Coats) b.1819 d. 1898, and we are pretty certain
that his father was James Robert Coats (again, no "e"), b.1786 d.
1861. We think James Robert moved from the Newberry area of SC to
Meridian, MS (he is buried in Meridian).
I'd be happy to participate in a DNA project, or help with any
information that my family may have in the form or papers, old "family
trees," etc.
Thank you, and looking forward to hearing from you!
J. Gregory Coats
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From: Claude Fox <claude.fox(a)cox.net>
Date: Dec 7, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Coates Spotsylvania-Halifax Co VA Connection
To: kh5567(a)toadmail.com
Cc: guppi(a)charter.net, charlottecoats(a)gmail.com,
lcoate(a)ancestrees.com, ldudick(a)ancestory.com
You had mentioned that you were interested in finding a
Spotsylvania-Halifax Coates connection. I think some of the documents
that Don Wilson found (below) prove the connection..
-----Original Message-----
From: PWPLS Ask A Librarian - RELIC [mailto:
PWPLSAskALibrarian-Relic(a)pwcgov.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:01 PM
To: Claude Fox
Subject: RE: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
POSSIBLE THEORY
Yes – It appears that at least some, if not all, of the Halifax family
originated in the Spotsylvania County area. I think John COATES of
Spotsylvania (married in Caroline in 1788) is the same as the soldier
who moved to Halifax.
Don Wilson
Ruth E. Lloyd Information Center (RELIC)
for Genealogy and Local History
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From: Claude Fox [mailto: claude.fox(a)cox.net]
Posted At: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:31 PM
Posted To: Ask A Librarian-RELIC
Conversation: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
POSSIBLE THEORY
Subject: RE: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
POSSIBLE THEORY
Fantastic! So it looks like there is a Halifax connection to the
Spotsylvania Coates? I see mentioned John Coates Sr., Revolutionary
soldier from Spotsylvania that moved to Halifax County. Could John
Coates of Spotsylvania be his son?
This is all great info – thank you so much again.
Claude Fox
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From: PWPLS Ask A Librarian - RELIC [mailto:
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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:55 PM
To: Claude Fox
Subject: RE: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
POSSIBLE THEORY
Mr. Fox -
Caroline County deed and will books were destroyed during the Civil
War (they were sent to Richmond for safekeeping but were lost in the
burning of the state courthouse). What we have left are the court
minute books, some marriage bonds, and packets of loose papers dealing
with court cases. Many of the 18 th century documents have been
published.
The Caroline County personal property tax list for 1783 is the
earliest complete listing of heads of household for that county. It
is published in Augusta B. Fothergill, Virginia Tax Payers 1782-87,
Other Than Those Published by the United States Census Bureau
(Richmond: 1940, repr. Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 1999). In
Caroline County we find only:
COATS, Thomas, 2 "polls" [tithables], 13 slaves.
He is the only person of that name in Caroline at that time. It
appears he has one extra male in his household over age 16 [born
before 1766], possibly a son. [Probably the same as William COATS
below.]
The 1787 personal property tax list for Caroline County shows: [ 1787
Census of Virginia, by Schreiner-Yantis and Love]
COATS, Thomas [p. 731] (over age 21); Wm. COATS (over 21) is in his
household, no male 16-21, 7 slaves 16+, 8 slaves 12-16, 4 horses, 24
cattle.
COATS, Jas. [p. 743] (over age 21), 1 male 16-21 [b. 1766/71], 1 slave
16+, 2 slaves 12-16, 1 horse, no cattle – Merchant.
The 1800 personal property tax list for Caroline shows [ Virginia
Genealogist, v. 14 (1970), p. 84]:
COATS, Jenny 0-1-1-0 [white males 16+, horses, slaves 16+, slaves 12-16]
COATS, Molly 0-1-1-0
COATS, Lizzy 0-1-2-0
COATES, William 1-3-2-2.
It looks like the three women are unmarried women whose father or
husband has died (since 1787).
29 Apr. 1784. Elizabeth COATS and Jenny COATS witnessed the will of
Henry YARBROUGH of St. Margaret Parish. [ Caroline County Court
Records and Marriages, 1787-1810, by William Lindsay Hopkins (1987),
p. 91, from loose papers.] Perhaps the same as Jenny and Lizzy COATS
living in 1800?
22 Dec. 1792. James COATS witnessed a deed from Edmund GATEWOOD of
St. Asaph Parish, Caroline County, to James MILLER and sons of the
Town of Port Royal, mortgage of land and personal property. [
Caroline County Virginia Chancery Court Deeds 1758-1845, by T.L.C.
Genealogy (1990), p. 12 (p. 38 in original)]
16 Dec. 1805. Lands of William COATS mentioned as a boundary of land
sold by Henry Gerard LETUZ in St. Margaret Parish. [ Caroline County
Virginia Chancery Court Deeds, p. 28 (p. 110 in original)]
10 Feb. 1807. Lands of William COATS mentioned as boundary of land
sold by Benjamin W. COLEMAN in St. Margaret Parish. [ Ibid., p. 29
(p. 114 in original)]
Caroline County Virginia Land Tax Lists 1787-1799 , by T. L. C.
Genealogy (1991), p. 34:
WOOD, Joseph, 1 town lot – transferred to James COATS, 1787.
COATS, James, 1 town lot, 1787, 1788.
COATS, James, -- transferred to Wm. GRAY. 1789.
COATS, Thomas, 300 acres, 1787B, 1788B, 1789B, 1790B, 1791B, 1792B,
1793B, 1794B, 1795B, 1796B, 1797B.
COATS, Thomas estate; 300 acres, 1799B. [Shows that Thomas COATS died 1797/99]
25 Nov. 1835. John COATES Sr. applied for a pension in Halifax
County, Va., age 73 years 24 th instant [born 24 Nov. 1762]. He was
drafted for six months in Spotsylvania Co., Va. (in which county he
then resided) in June 1780 … a second tour in spring of 1781 … a third
tour, was at the siege of Yorktown, Oct. 1781. Was discharged at
Fredericksburg. He moved to Halifax County shortly after the war. [
Virginia Revolutionary Pension Applications, by John F. Dorman, v. 19
(1974), p. 22-23]
8 Oct. 1832. William COATES of Caroline County, aged 77 [born ca.
1758], declares he was born, raised and educated in Caroline County
and has lived there all his life. He was a volunteer for three
months in 1778. Was later drafted to guard military stores in
Caroline. Was drafted in 1781 to drive cattle for the army, about 2
months. (He was paid a pension as late as 4 March 1839.) [Dorman,
VRPA, v. 19, p. 24.] This man appears to be the son of Thomas COATS
of Caroline County – is living with him in 1782.
19 May 1820. William COATES of Davidson Co., Tenn., aged 59 [born ca.
1761], declares he enlisted for 2 years and next for 3 years during
the war. Was first enlisted in fall of 1775. 26 July 1820 – aged 59
years and 7 months [born ca. Dec. 1760]. His family consists of
himself and his wife. They subsist on the bounty of his son Austin
COATES who has no family of his own and is the owner of two slaves and
a few horses, but who is about the leave the state and fix his
residence in Virginia.
8 Nov. 1845. Davidson Co., Tenn. Mrs. Susannah COATES,
formerly Susannah DISMUKES, of Sumner Co., Tenn., aged 80 [born ca.
1765] declares she is the widow of William COATES who died 6 Oct.
1844. She was married in Spotsylvania Co., Va., by Parson John WALLER
on 4 March 1782. "Married by Banns March 4 th 1782. William COATES to
Susannah DISMUKES of Berkley Parish. [signed] John WALLER, Bapt.
Ministr." [Dorman, VRPA, v. 19, p. 24-25] Listings on Ancestry World
Tree indicate he was born in Halifax County, Va. His marriage record
shows he came from Spotsylvania County. It looks like he may be a
brother of pensioner John COATES, above – they both were married by
the same minister, and both originated in Spotsylvania County. John
COATES m. Fanny WINN, 5 March 1788, by John WALLER. [Caroline County
marriages] John and William are the only COATES heads of household in
Spotsylvania County in 1782. Pensioner John COATES (b. 1762) would
have been too young to head a household in 1782 – so could this be an
older man of the same name?
There many entries under the name COAT(E)S in the abstracts of
Caroline (and Spotsylvania County) records done by Ruth and Sam
Sparacio and by John Frederick Dorman. Too many for me to list them
for you. You need to identify pertinent works through World Cat
(Google those words) and request them on interlibrary loan through
your closest library. It looks like the COATES people of those two
counties are closely allied.
Caroline County was created in 1728 from Essex County, King William
County and King and Queen County. Spotsylvania County had already
been cut off of Essex County and the other counties in 1721. In 1704
there is a Samuel COATES who owned 300 acres in Essex County and a
William COATES who owned 50 acres in King William County. [ The Quit
Rents of Virginia, 1704, by Annie L. W. Smith (1957), p. 19] Your
family most likely goes back to one of them. Samuel and William
probably have a common ancestor.
I see that a John COATES was transported to Virginia shortly before 26
Sept. 1648 when Henry PEASELEY, in York County, Virginia, received a
certificate for transporting him. [ Virginia Colonial Abstracts, by
Beverly Fleet, v. 25, York County, 1646-1648 (repr. 1988), from Book
no. 2, p. 413] York County is just downstream from King William and
Essex. Before you have solved your mystery you may need to sort out
all the branches of the family in Virginia.
Ruth E. Lloyd Information Center (RELIC)
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Bull Run Regional Library
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From: Claude Fox [mailto:claude.fox@cox.net]
Posted At: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:17 PM
Posted To: Ask A Librarian-RELIC
Conversation: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
POSSIBLE THEORY
Subject: RE: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
POSSIBLE THEORY
Thanks Don,
Yes, that inclusion of Henry S. Coates with the Madison Coats is a
well known error to the people researching the Coates/Coats in this
part of Virginia.
The proof that H.S. Coates belongs with the Culpeper Coates is his
marriage license where it states that his parents are James and Mary
Coates of Culpeper. The Madison Coats do not have any Henry S. Coats
as a son. ( And I have visited Henry's grave site in Culpeper in the
Coates family cemetery by the Baptist church there). We know Mary's
name is Mary Russell Smith because I have seen a copy of her bible
where she explains that. However, I couldn't find any proof of other
Smiths being related to her..
Henry attended school at the Priest's house in Madison county in 1850
which accounts for the census entry then. (BTW, he later became a
teacher himself.) Yes, his sister did marry James Priest, so, there is
a connection with that family.
What is the best way to determine the all Coates in Caroline County at
about the time of the Revolution? Tax rolls?
Claude Fox
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From: PWPLS Ask A Librarian - RELIC [mailto:
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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:26 PM
To: Claude Fox
Subject: RE: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
POSSIBLE THEORY
Mr. Fox -
I didn't read your message below before I sent my previous message.
The theories you mention below might be possible (as well as several
others) but to prove them you will need to work backward from James or
find a probate/heirs of the person you think might be his father. To
do that you will have to determine where and when that person died,
using census, tax lists and any other legal record to track them
through time.
When checking the Ancestral File on www.familysearch.org I found
something odd about the list of children of James COATS and Nancy
HOWELL of Madison County: (Have rearranged the children in
chronological order.) No documentation is provided.
i. Fountain COATS, 1818-bef. 1893, m. Lucinda ----.
ii. William John COATS, 1818-1884, m. 1867, Eliza Jane VAWTER.
iii. Susan COATS, 1820-1850, m. 1837, Thomas B. JACKSON.
iv. Mary A. COATS, 1823- , m. Henry REID.
v. Elizabeth Caroline COATS, 1825-1910, m. 1855, Frederick HONAKER.
vi. Sarah COATS, ca. 1825-
vii. Angeline COATS, ca. 1830- , m. 1859 Noah PRICE.
viii. Henry S. COATS, 1831- [not traced]
ix. Martha COATS, 1832-
x. George Edwin COATS, 1833-1885, m. 1883, Lucy Ann HUNDLEY.
xi. Almira COATS, 1834-
xii. James W. COATS, 1846- [sic] , m. 1882, Margaret E. WOLFBARGER.
Don't you think it is extremely odd that the other James COAT(E)S also
had a son named Henry S. born the same year? I see Henry S. was
living in 1850 in Madison County with James M. PRIEST, and wife May
E., age 25. I presume that is the Mary E. you have identified as
Henry's sister, since there is a marriage record in Culpeper County
for Mary E. COATS to James M. PRIEST, 1843. It is possible that the
Madison County person who submitted the list of children to Family
Search misappropriated your Henry S. to that family. There is only
one Henry S. COAT(E)S in Virginia in 1850, so it is unlikely that the
two Jameses each had a son named Henry. What proof do you have that
your Henry belongs with the Culpeper family?
Don Wilson
Ruth E. Lloyd Information Center (RELIC)
for Genealogy and Local History
Bull Run Regional Library
8051 Ashton Avenue
Manassas, Virginia 20109
(703) 792-4540
(703) 792-4520 (fax)
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From: Claude Fox [mailto:claude.fox@cox.net]
Posted At: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:16 PM
Posted To: Ask A Librarian-RELIC
Conversation: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
POSSIBLE THEORY
Subject: RE: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
POSSIBLE THEORY
Importance: High
Here's a possible theory based on your research:
James Coates of Culpeper was the son of John Coates and Ann (Sarah
Thompson possibly another wife that died?) of Caroline, Orange,
Spotsylvania counties.
I think William Coates was likely the brother of John Coates in
Spotsylvania Co. And I think they both were sons of James Coates of
Caroline Co. Virginia, a Revolutionary War soldier. There is also a
William Coates of Caroline Co. who is also a Revolutionary soldier.
Wiliam Coates is also listed in the 1840 Census of Revolutionary
Pensioners as still living in Caroline Co., age 85. I think this
William Coates is the brother to the Revolutionary James Coates.
Does this make sense? What would be the best way to prove it? I am
trying to get as much info on the Revolutionary William and James
Coates of Caroline County as possible. What are the best sources for
this??
------------
Another name I've seen for these Coates is "Henry". One of the sons
of James Coates of Culpeper is Henry Stapleton Coates, a Civil War
soldier. And I thought I saw some Henry Coates in some older
Spotsylvania deeds that I thought could have been relatives.
Here are the names for all the children I know of for James Coates and
Mary Smith of Culpeper:
John Richard Coates b. 1820
Mary E. Coates b. 1825
Henry Stapleton Coates b. 1831 * my ancestor and a Civil War vet
Here are the children of Henry S. Coates and Frances Rudisilla:
Robert Preston Coates b: 1861 in Salem,Culpeper,VA
James W. COATES
Ada M. COATES
Emma J. COATES
Edward S. Coates
Lucy A. COATES
Richard Oscar COATES
Fannie R. COATES
Thank you again!
Claude Fox
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From: PWPLS Ask A Librarian - RELIC [mailto:
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Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:01 PM
To: Claude Fox
Subject: RE: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
Mr. Fox – I apologize for not responding immediately to your question
below. I didn't have any additional information to provide at that
time. Am not sure I have much useful to contribute now.
Now that I've had an opportunity to look at the census and other
sources I see that your assessment of James COATES' birthdate is
correct. He must have been born ca. 1788. The 1860 census says he is
72, born in Spotsylvania County [Culpeper County, p. 819,
dwelling/family 210/186]
The 1850 census is puzzling, because it gives his age as 42 [born ca.
1808]. [Culpeper County. [p. 223, #116/116] Though his wife and
children have aged about 10 years between 1850 and 1860, James has
aged 30 years! (I suspect that the census taker miscopied "62" as
"42" from his field notes. The old 6 and 4 sometimes can be mistaken
for each other.)
Going backwards in time, however, his age always fits the 1780s:
1840: age 50-60. [born 1780/90] [Culpeper County]
1830: age 40-50. [born 1780/90] [Culpeper County and Madison County]
1820: age 26-45. [born 1775/94] [Madison County]
In 1840 he is the only James COAT(E)S in Virginia.
1840 – Culpeper County [p. 244] James COATES, 1 m 5-10, 2 m 10-15, 1
m 15-20, 1 m 50-60; 1 f 10-15, 1 f 20-30, 1 f 30-40.
In the 1830 census his family appears to have been listed twice, in
two different counties. It seems he moved from Madison to Culpeper
that year and was registered in both places. You could check the
annual personal property tax lists for both counties for years before
and after 1830 to determine if that is true. He will disappear from
one county when he moves to another.
1830 – Madison County [p. 8]: James COATS, 2 m 0-5, 1 m 10-15, 1 m
40-50; 2 f 0-5, 2 f 5-10, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 20-30, 1 f 40-50.
1830 – Culpeper County [p. 133]: Jas COATES, 2 m 0-5, 1 m 5-10, 1 m
40-50; --------- 2 f 5-10, ---------------1 f 20-30.
There seem to be some extra females in his household in Madison
County, but the overall match is pretty good.
1820 – Madison County [p. 108]: James COATS, 1 m 0-10, 1 m 26-45; 4 f
0-10, 1 f 26-45.
James COATS married Nancy HOWELL, bond dated 26 Dec. 1810. Bride is
dau. of Nancy HOWELL. Minister Henry FRY, performed married 27 Dec.
1810, Madison County. [John Voigt, Madison County Marriage Register,
p. 23]
Since there is only this one James COAT(E)S in the central part of
Virginia in 1820, it appears likely he is the same person.
His marriage to Mary R. SMITH is supposed to have taken place in
Culpeper County, 27 Jan. 1820, but there is no record on file there.
She was unable to find proof for her widow's pension, which means that
the license may have been filed in another county, or was destroyed.
It is possible that her marriage to James COATES was somewhat later
than 1820, since the 1820 census shows a woman who must be his first
wife – she is too old to be Mary.
His children, from the various censuses:
i. dau. b. ca. 1812. [age 0-10 in 1820]
ii. dau. b. ca. 1814. [age 0-10 in 1820]
iii. dau. b. ca. 1816. [age 0-10 in 1820]
iv. dau. b. ca. 1818. [age 0-10 in 1820, age 10-15 in 1830, age
20-30 in 1840]
v. son b. ca. 1820. [age 0-10 in 1820, age 5-10 or 10-15 in 1830]
vi. dau. b. ca. 1822. [age 5-10 in 1830]
vii. dau. b. ca. 1825. [age 5-10 in 1830, age 10-15 in 1840]
viii. son b. ca. 1827. [age 0-5 in 1830, age 10-15 in 1840] maybe
same as John Richard, b. ca. 1826-27 [1850 and 1860].
ix. son b. ca. 1829. [age 0-5 in 1830, age 10-15 in 1840]
x. son b. ca. 1831. [age 5-10 in 1840]
xi. Regina, b. ca. 1831-32. [1850 and 1860, but not found on the 1840 census]
If I had more information on the known children (names and ages) that
could be plugged in here, it might help us identify naming patterns
handed down in the family.
James COATES claims he was drafted into the militia in Louisa County
in August 1814 (for 3 months), which suggests he lived there at that
time. Louisa is reasonably close to Madison County, separated by the
narrow part of Orange County.
John COATES and Sarah THOMPSON were married in Orange County, by bond
dated 27 March 1783. Bondsman – Edward THOMPSON. [John Vogt, Orange
County, Virginia Marriages, 1747-1850, p. 33] The only other
COAT(E)S there is a Jeremiah COATS who m. Sally WEBSTER by bond dated
15 Feb. 1791; bondsman: Francis WEATHERALL (p. 33). Orange County is
next to Spotsylvania County.
The U.S. census for Orange and Louisa Counties are missing for 1810.
Supplement to the 1810 Census of Virginia: Tax Lists of the Counties
for which the Census is Missing, by Netti Schreiner Yantais
(Springfield, Va.: Author, 1971), lists only one person named COATES
in either county: Joseph COATS, 1 white male over age 16, 4 slaves
over age 12, 3 horses, Louisa County. (p. A-2). It is unlikely that
James is in his household because James would have been a second
tithable at that time (over age 16).
The only men named John COATES living in Virginia in 1810 (U.S.
census) are in Gloucester County, a place too far out of the way to be
likely. That suggests that John COATES of the Orange/Louisa County
area had died or left Virginia.
In 1787 there are three John COAT(E)S living in Virginia, in
Chesterfield, Amelia, Botetourt and Spotsylvania Counties.
Spotsylvania is the only county anywhere near Orange County. The only
other COAT(E)S in Spotsylvania County that year is a William, both on
p. 877. [Schreiner-Yantis and Love, The 1787 Census of Virginia
(Springfield: Genealogical Books in Print, 1987]
COATS, John [over age 21], no male 16-21, 5 slaves over 16, 4 slaves
12-16, 4 horses, 22 cattle.
COATS, William [over age 21], no male 16-21, no slave over 16, 2
slaves 12-16, 5 horses, 6 cattle.
These two names are together in the list suggesting they lived in the
same district of the county, perhaps close together. I expect they
are related to each other. I don't have any information about a
marriage of William COATS. I suspect that John is the same man who
was married in Orange County in 1783. His information makes him a
good candidate for James' father. He was married 5 years before James
was born, and he was living about the time James was born in the place
James was born.
If you want to follow up on that theory, you need to find out what
happened to John and William COATES after 1787.
22 Aug. 1798. John COATES of Louisa County bought 405 acres in
Spotsylvania County from Mary DAINGERFIELD, Wm. DAINGERFIELD, Henry
DAINGERFIELD and Lewis Willis DAINGERFIELD of Spotsylvania County.
[Spots. Co. Deed Book P; from William A. Crozier, Virginia County
Records, vol. 1: Spotsylvania County, 1721-1800 (1905; repr.
Genealogical Pub. Co., 1978), p. 503] This John has been living in
Louisa County, perhaps since 1788 when they sold their land in
Spotsylvania County. That would explain James' ties to Louisa if he
had lived there while growing up.
2 Dec. 1788. Jno. COATS and Ann (Nancy) his wife to Ambrose SMITH,
for 150 lbs., 190 acres in Berkeley Parish, Spots. Co., whereon sd.
COATS now lives. [Crozier, p. 423]
5 Feb. 1788. Wm. COATS and Sarah his wife of Spots. Co. to Wm. DURRET
of Caroline County, for 110 lbs., 176 acres in St. Geo. Parish, Spots.
Co. [Crozier, p. 414]
5 Apr. 1785. John COATS of Spots. Co. and Ann his wife, to Bradley
MATHEWS of same co., for 130 lbs., 130 acres in Spots. Co. [Crozier,
p. 387]
1779. Ann MATHEWS and Ann SHACKLEFORD of Spots. Co., to John COATS of
Caroline County, for 500 lbs., 130 acres in Spots. Co. [Crozier, p.
351] This suggests John has ties to family in Caroline County.
5 Mar. 1788. John COATES or COARTS [sic] married Fanny WINN by bond
this date, Caroline County, John WALLER, minister. [Therese Fisher,
Marriages of Caroline County, Virginia 1777-1853 (Bowie, Md.: Heritage
Books, 1998), p. 54] Looks like it must be a different John COATES,
since John of Spotsylvania County was still married to Ann in Dec.
1788.
1782 personal property tax list of Spotsylvania shows John COATS with
1 tithable white male (himself), and 9 slaves. William COATS is also
a head of household in Spotsylvania County that year, but has no white
tithable (suggesting either he is a magistrate or over age 60 and
excused from the tax), he has one slave. [Augusta Fothergill,
Virginia Tax Payers 1782-1787 (1940, repr. Genealogical Pub. Co,
1999), p. 26] If William was over age 60, that would make him old
enough to be John's father. No other John COATES is found anywhere
near Spotsylvania County.
If all of these John COATES (above) are the same person (possible but
not certain), then there should be traces of him in all these
counties: Caroline, Spotsylvania, Louisa, and Orange, and perhaps
Madison. You need to find the probate of his estate and a list of his
heirs. There is no mention of him in William Torrence, Virginia Wills
and Administrations, 1632-1800, suggesting he may have died after 1800
(unless he died in a burned record county).
Index to Virginia Estates 1800-1865 , by Wesley Pippenger (Virginia
Genealogical Society) is now up to 6 volumes. Culpeper, Orange,
Madison and Spotsylvania Counties are included in volume 2. It
mentions only one John COATES: John H. COATES, Spotsylvania, [estate]
account 1844, Will Book R, p. 148. That's rather late to be the man
you want, since your candidate appears to be dead by 1810 (only Lewis
and William are in Spotsylvania in 1810). Louisa County and Caroline
County probate indexes have not yet been published. Maybe a probate
for him will be found in Louisa or Caroline.
Spotsylvania County has no marriage records for the period 1750-1795,
so the marriage of John to Ann, and William to Sarah probably took
place there (no record).
The Lewis and William that we discussed earlier, alive in 1810 in
Spotsylvania, are probably members of the same family (brothers of
James?). You are going to have to study the records of Spotsylvania
County more closely, including records after 1800, to see what
happened to them. The land and personal property tax lists, like an
annual census, will be helpful.
If you can track James in the personal property tax lists back to when
he turned 21 (ca. 1799), it will show you which family he is most
closely associate with. Between the age of 16 and 21 he will be
counted in his father's (or guardian's) household.
If you have a close relative who is a direct male descendant of James
COATES (also surnamed COATES), testing the Y-chromosome of his DNA
might at least indicate whether your family and the Halifax family had
a common male ancestor.
Sorry I can't do more. Good luck in your search.
Donald L. Wilson, Virginiana Librarian
Ruth E. Lloyd Information Center (RELIC)
for Genealogy and Local History
Bull Run Regional Library
8051 Ashton Avenue
Manassas, Virginia 20109
(703) 792-4540
(703) 792-4520 (fax)
________________________________
From: Claude Fox [mailto:claude.fox@cox.net]
Posted At: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:26 AM
Posted To: Ask A Librarian-RELIC
Conversation: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
Subject: Re: Ask RELIC James Coates Of Culpeper ATTN: Donald Wilson
Apparently I had the wrong dates for James Coates' birth?
Here's the latest info I received that puts it straight although I
don't believe it sheds any light on who his parents were:
"I saw your message posted in the Coates RootsWeb mailing list and wanted to
share with you some information that I found about this family while looking
through the bounty land records at National Archives.
You have the wrong birth date for James COATES and therefore are looking in the
wrong time period for his parents. James was born around 1788/1789, so the
Lewis and William COATS who married in 1805 and 1812 could not have been his
parents.
James COATES was a private in the Virginia militia, Capt. William JACKSON's
company, 40th Regiment of Louisa County, 7th Regiment, 4th Brigade in the War
of 1812, commanded by Major Gen. William C. [or James?] WILLIAMS. He stated
that he was drafted at the village of Cuchoo or Jackson in Louisa County on 29
Aug. 1814, and was honorably discharged at Camp Carter on 5 Nov. 1814 because
of disability from chronic rheumatism. (His original honorable discharge
certificate was enclosed with the application, and you can get a copy of it if
you request a copy of this case file from National Archives.)
He applied for bounty land of 15 Jan. 1851, age 63 and a resident of Culpeper
County VA, and signed his name "Jams COATES".
He applied for additional bounty land on 22 March 1855 in Rappahannock County
VA, age 66, a resident of Culpeper County VA, signed his name "James COATES",
witnesses Enoch L. BROWN and A. B. BROWN of Rappahannock County.
Mary R. COATES, his widow, applied for a pension on 27 March 1878. She was 73
years old and a resident of Culpeper County VA. She stated that they were
married in Culpeper County VA on 27 Jan. 1820 by Rawleigh BASHAW and that her
name before marriage was Mary R. SMITH and that her husband died in Culpeper
County VA in April 1863, that she is still a widow and was loyal to the United
States during the late rebellion, witnesses Benjamin PULLIAM and Caroline C.
PULLIAM. [He married Mary later in life so she is probably a second wife, she
is younger than James, and therefore not the mother of any of his children born
before 1820]
Benjamin YATES and Louisa HANEY, residents of Culpeper County, filed an
affidavit on 13 April 1878 and testified that they were present at the marriage
of James COATES and Mary R. SMITH. A note at the bottom of the page says that
records of marriages were nearly all destroyed during the war.
Aldridge M. GRIMSLY (age 52), Benjamin PULLIAM (age 58), and Rich Y. FIELD (age
45), all of Culpeper County, made an affidavit on 2 Sept. 1878. They stated
that "they were well acquainted with James Coates the husband of Mary R.
Coates, and know that he died on the 11th April 1863, (the 2nd Sunday morning
in April 1863), that the two first named witnesses were present at the time of
his death, aided in laying him out and assisted in burying him -- & that they
were all his near neighbors".
source - original documents on file at National Archives, Record Group 15,
Veterans Administration, War of 1812 Pension and Bounty Land Warrant
Application Files:
James Coates or Coats
Mary R. Coats (widow)
Bounty land 1850 - 80 - 34342 and 1855 - 80 - 3556
W. O. 16740
W. C. 9008
I am kin to the Halifax County, VA COAT(E)S family so do not have any more
information about this Louisa/Culpeper County family, but wonder if there a
connection between the two? You said that James had a son named Henry, and
Henry is also a name in the Halifax County family. We already have a DNA test
done for a descendant of William COATES of Halifax County VA. Can someone
descended from the Louisa and Culpeper County families join in the COATES DNA
project? We could find out if they matched and therefore would know whether
there is a relationship between the two.
Kathryn Hamilton"
Quoting guppi(a)charter.net:
> Email message forwarded:
>
>
> Thanks Louise. My direct Coates ancestors all stayed in Culpeper,
> VA. I got some great info from the librarian at the Relic Room in
> Manassas VA and I'll pass it on to you in the hopes of furthering
> research into this line:
> The 1810 census of Spotsylvania shows only two heads of householod
> named Coat(e)s:
>
> Lewis Coats, 1 male 0-10, 1 m 26-45, 1 f 26-45, 4 slaves. [p. 98,
> from image on Ancestry.com]
>
> William Coats, 1 m 26-45, 1 f 0-10, 2 slaves. [p. 109]
>
> William COATS is probably widowed, with a young daughter. He is
> probably the man of that name who was married in 1812 to Betsy SMITH.
>
> The other man, Lewis COATS, does have a son the right age (under age
> 10). The census shows Lewis was born between 1765 and 1784. I have
> been unable to find Lewis COAT(E)S on the 1820 or 1830 census.
>
> Lewis COATS married Lucy DUERSON in Spotsylvania County, 20 April
> 1805. [Virginia marriages, 1740-1850, on Ancestry.com]
>
> Lewis Coates was dead by 1838 in Spotsylvania when his wife Lucy
> received a dower from his estate [Spotsylvania County Will Book O, p.
> 425, as cited in Wesley Pippenger's Index to Virginia Estates
> 1800-1865, vol. 2, p. 156] Lucy Coates left a will in Spotsylvania
> County in 1841 [WB Q, p. 174], followed by an inventory in 1841 [WB
> Q, p. 251], and an account in 1844 [WB R, p. 146]. Those documents,
> especially the will, may identify their children. Microfilm of
> those records is available on interlibrary loan from the Library of
> Virginia, or you could contact the clerk of the court in Spotsylvania
> County.
>
> In 1840, Lucy COATS was head of a household in Spotsylvania County (p. 139):
>
> 1 m 0-5, 1 m 20-30, 1 f 30-40, 1 f 60-70. This indicates that Lucy
> was born between 1770 and 1780.
>
> I see that a Thomas B. Coats was living in Spotsylvania County in
> 1850 (born ca. 1814, Va.); his oldest son is named James R. Coats
> (born ca. 1835), thus I suspect a close kinship between Thomas and
> your James, probably brothers. The family includes wife Frances R.
> (b. ca. 1812), children James R. (ca. 1835), R. A. (male, ca. 1841),
> Mary A. (ca. 1844), and Frances (female, ca. 1845) Thomas could be
> the son living with Lucy in 1840. Again, the will of Lucy Coats will
> probably prove it all. That is probably the best proof you can
> expect. If that doesn't work, then you would need to evaluate other
> COATES families in the area one by one.
>
> A Thomas COATES was married to Frances Jane TAYLOR, 1838, in Essex
> County [ Ancestry.com], close to Spotsylvania.
>
> If you are very lucky you may find a church register or family Bible
> record which records the family.
>
> That is the best I can offer you. Good luck in your search.
>
> Donald L. Wilson, Virginiana Librarian
>
> Ruth E. Lloyd Information Center (RELIC)
>
> for Genealogy and Local History
>
> Bull Run Regional Library
>
> 8051 Ashton Avenue
>
> Manassas, Virginia 20109
>
> (703) 792-4540
>
> (703) 792-4520 (fax)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claude Fox [mailto: claude.fox(a)cox.net]
> Posted At: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:56 PM
> Posted To: Ask A Librarian-RELIC
> Conversation: Ask RELIC
> Subject: Ask RELIC
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> I would like to know who the parents of James R. Coates(1808-1864) of
> Salem, Culpeper Co. Virginia. He is on most of the Federal Censuses,
> as is wife (Mary Russell Smith) and sons and daughter. His son Henry
> fought in the Civil War and they are all my ancestors. In one of the
> censuses, he actually put Spotsyvlania County as his place of birth!
> I checked marriages and did not find his but found a William Coates
> who married Betsy Smith! These are very possibly brother/sister to my
> Coates.. I found the death record for Mary Coates but it does not
> list her parents. James died during the tail end of the Civil War so
> the odds are there is no death record for him.
>
> Sources
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----- Original Message -----
From: PWPLS Ask A Librarian - RELIC
To: Claude Fox
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: RE: Ask RELIC
Mr. Fox – There are no public vital records in Virginia for the
period of 1808, so you will need to be resourceful.
First step is to identify a potential parent. Since you believe that
James R. Coates was born in Spotsylvania County, you can start with
the 1810 census.
The 1810 census of Spotsylvania shows only two heads of householod
named Coat(e)s:
Lewis Coats, 1 male 0-10, 1 m 26-45, 1 f 26-45, 4 slaves. [p. 98,
from image on Ancestry.com]
William Coats, 1 m 26-45, 1 f 0-10, 2 slaves. [p. 109]
William COATS is probably widowed, with a young daughter. He is
probably the man of that name who was married in 1812 to Betsy SMITH.
The other man, Lewis COATS, does have a son the right age (under age
10). The census shows Lewis was born between 1765 and 1784. I have
been unable to find Lewis COAT(E)S on the 1820 or 1830 census.
Lewis COATS married Lucy DUERSON in Spotsylvania County, 20 April
1805. [Virginia marriages, 1740-1850, on Ancestry.com]
Lewis Coates was dead by 1838 in Spotsylvania when his wife Lucy
received a dower from his estate [Spotsylvania County Will Book O, p.
425, as cited in Wesley Pippenger's Index to Virginia Estates
1800-1865, vol. 2, p. 156] Lucy Coates left a will in Spotsylvania
County in 1841 [WB Q, p. 174], followed by an inventory in 1841 [WB Q,
p. 251], and an account in 1844 [WB R, p. 146]. Those documents,
especially the will, may identify their children. Microfilm of those
records is available on interl ...
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