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Oh, I was trying to send the NEGHS enews...
But here's an article of interest from it....:)
Stories of Interest
The Guardian, one of Britain's major newspapers, has had an
interesting bout of articles about genealogy recently. Zoe Williams'
article entitled "Ancestor Worship" calls genealogy "pointless and
self-regarding."
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1941853,00.html ) Dan
Waddell, author of the Who Do You Think You Are books that accompany
the BBC television series of the same name, counters that "Researching
our family histories can be humbling, and helps us understand the
past." (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1947086,00.html)
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Dear List; I've just been brainstorming here about how our family got
from being born in NC in 1786, supposedly wed (no proof), at Newberry,
SC., in 1807, and then buying and selling land in Greene Co., Al., in
1823 (proof). I've been studying the Wilderness Road, the Cumberland
Gap, etc., and it doesn't appear to me to be a plausible route for James
and Elizabeth Coats to have taken after 1807 to get to Green Co., Al in
1823. There must have been a Southern Route of Migration which they took
across Georgia and Al to get to Green. Is anyone familiar with such a
route? You can send info to me personally, or to the list. Or, if you
want to talk, I'll call you on my nickel.
John W
FYI....
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From: Diane <NicKnack101(a)comcast.net>
Date: Nov 26, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Caroline Co. Wills and Packets
To: vacaroli(a)rootsweb.com
I know that Caroline County was burned, but many records remain -- not only
at the Courthouse in Tappahannock (which is now Essex County), but also in
the Rappahannock Heritage Center in Fredericksburg, which has the majority
of the Caroline records I am told. I have been to the Heritage Center, and
it has a wealth of information, but is only open certain hours because it is
staffed entirely by volunteers. The archivist at the Essex County
Courthouse was enormously helpful. I found the wills of two ancestors, and
also the inventory of one's farm -- both ancestors lived in Caroline County.
The State library in Richmond also has a lot of Caroline records I
understand, but I have not yet gone there. I called the Caroline County
Courthouse in Bowling Green, and they are the ones who told me about the
Rappahannock Heritage Center. I don't really know the history of the
various counties in the area, but my sense is that the boundaries have
moved, but that the records did not. I hope this is helpful. Good luck!
Diane C. Nicholson
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On Behalf Of Susan Howe
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:35 PM
To: vacaroli(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [VACAROLI] Caroline Co. Wills and Packets
The DAR held a genealogy conference in October, and one of the speakers
talked about the "burned" counties (Caroline is one). He said that
although the wills are missing, the court still has the packets.
Has anyone had experience with Caroline Court records, and do the
packets exist?
Susan Howe
searching for the Edward/Edmund Goode family of Caroline Co. He died
before 1771, when his sons Edmund and Richard were listed as orphans in
Bedford Co. and bound out to the Church.
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FYI....
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From: Susan Howe <teddie.lee(a)verizon.net>
Date: Nov 26, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: [VACAROLI] Caroline Co. Wills and Packets
To: vacaroli(a)rootsweb.com
The DAR held a genealogy conference in October, and one of the speakers
talked about the "burned" counties (Caroline is one). He said that
although the wills are missing, the court still has the packets.
Has anyone had experience with Caroline Court records, and do the
packets exist?
Susan Howe
searching for the Edward/Edmund Goode family of Caroline Co. He died
before 1771, when his sons Edmund and Richard were listed as orphans in
Bedford Co. and bound out to the Church.
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New 37 marker test back...
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Date: Nov 21, 2006 9:06 AM
Subject: New DNA Test Results Posted for a Group Member in Group Coats
To: coats.genealogy(a)gmail.com, jwcoats(a)htc.net
New Y-DNA26-37 results have been posted for Kit 7417, a member of your
Family Tree DNA Coats group. Follow the link below for more
information at your Family Tree DNA .
http://www.familytreedna.com/(4wf1rm45vcdrqffslknrjzyq)/public/coats/inde...
Please remind your member to add your results at www.Ysearch.org, the
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at his personal page, he will see an explanation and a link for the
upload.
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Steve Pearson wrote:
>"It is not true. ...The Cherokee nation had full bloods that had blonde hair
>and blue eyes."
>
>
>I have Cherokee ancestry and I have never heard this. Are you sure about
>this? Full bloods? I have heard that they tend to be a lighter skinned tribe
>but blond with blue eyes?
>
>Just curious of the source of this statement
>
>Steve
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robbie Griggs Landry" <genealogy101(a)bellsouth.net>
>To: <coates(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [COATES] 13 Moons
>
>
>
>
>>Yes,
>>
>>In fact there is a belief because of movies that all Native americans were
>>dark skinned with dark eyes.
>>
>>It is not true. ...The Cherokee nation had full bloods that had blonde
>>hair
>>and blue eyes.
>>
>>Robbie
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Coats Family History" <coats.genealogy(a)gmail.com>
>>To: <coates(a)rootsweb.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:55 AM
>>Subject: Re: [COATES] 13 Moons
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Indians in those days were like Blacks...some were even sold into
>>>slavery...the Cherokee assimilated and were still rejected...I've seen
>>>old photos of Cherokee students, they dressed and looked like any
>>>other white of their time...but they were still forced to move
>>>west...one did not admit to an Indian marriage in those days...
>>>
>>>Today the Indians don't want to assimilate....:)
>>>
>>>Char
>>>
>>>On 11/15/06, John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Just finished this book, and highly recommend it. Same author as Cold
>>>>Mountain. Since most of us Coatses can trace our ancestors back to NC,
>>>>SC, and Georgia, I felt a kinship to this story and the author. My Dad
>>>>and his brothers had fairly dark skin, and black hair. They looked a
>>>>little Italian. Then they grew pencil thin mustaches which made them
>>>>look more so, even tho that may have been fashionable in the thirtys and
>>>>fortys. But they all had that hook nose which looked so N.A. Of course
>>>>these traits may have been passed on through the Limbaugh, Stevens,
>>>>Ramsey, Griffin, Bozeman, Carrol, Brantley, Webster, and Medearis lines.
>>>>All these lines came across from the South. I have a feeling there was
>>>>a lot of blood mixing going on, whch no one wanted to talk about, and or
>>>>marriages were never recorded, or were just common law.
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project:
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>>>
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>Steve; Some of us saw the History Channel program on the "Lost Colony of Roanoke". This mystery has never been solved. My belief is that these 50 or so English people were "saved" by a tribe and moved inland, where they were absorbed into the tribe. The Melungeons may be an example. Wife and I took a sidetrip to Sneedville, TN about 5 years ago. We stopped at the grocery store to pick us some items, and I stayed in the car. A man emerged from the store who had straight black hair, fairly long, and piercing blue eyes,(think Paul Newman or Jim Caviezel), and white skin. His hair was not combed but stuck straight out. When you see one of these people, you will accept that Whites, Blacks and Native Americans, definately mixed without the benefit of "Legal Marriage". Any of us whose ancestors came to America early should acknowledge that there is definately the possibility that we are carrying some NA or AA blood, and not to worry about it, but celebrate it, as the Melungeons are doing. Turning a negative into a postitive. It is the secret of life.
>
>
John Coats
Yes, but there are theories out there that say Vikings made it to
America long before Columbus and that they left red headed and blond
offspring in this country in some tribes. My kids have an ancestor who
was supposedly a red headed Indian via a Viking interjection. Linda
Robbie Griggs Landry wrote:
> Yes,
>
> In fact there is a belief because of movies that all Native americans were
> dark skinned with dark eyes.
>
> It is not true. ...The Cherokee nation had full bloods that had blonde hair
> and blue eyes.
>
> Robbie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Coats Family History" <coats.genealogy(a)gmail.com>
> To: <coates(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [COATES] 13 Moons
>
>
>
>> Indians in those days were like Blacks...some were even sold into
>> slavery...the Cherokee assimilated and were still rejected...I've seen
>> old photos of Cherokee students, they dressed and looked like any
>> other white of their time...but they were still forced to move
>> west...one did not admit to an Indian marriage in those days...
>>
>> Today the Indians don't want to assimilate....:)
>>
>> Char
>>
>> On 11/15/06, John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Just finished this book, and highly recommend it. Same author as Cold
>>> Mountain. Since most of us Coatses can trace our ancestors back to NC,
>>> SC, and Georgia, I felt a kinship to this story and the author. My Dad
>>> and his brothers had fairly dark skin, and black hair. They looked a
>>> little Italian. Then they grew pencil thin mustaches which made them
>>> look more so, even tho that may have been fashionable in the thirtys and
>>> fortys. But they all had that hook nose which looked so N.A. Of course
>>> these traits may have been passed on through the Limbaugh, Stevens,
>>> Ramsey, Griffin, Bozeman, Carrol, Brantley, Webster, and Medearis lines.
>>> All these lines came across from the South. I have a feeling there was
>>> a lot of blood mixing going on, whch no one wanted to talk about, and or
>>> marriages were never recorded, or were just common law.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------
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>>> COATES-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>>
>>>
>> --
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>>
>> Also available through Barnes&Noble.Com
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>> http://stores.lulu.com/cherokeebasketweaver
>>
>> Can't find the records you need and you're a male surnamed Coats or
>> varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project:
>> http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True
>>
>> Coats Archive
>> http://www.coatsarchive.us
>>
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>>
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>
>
FYI...by modern standards...these comments are considered racist, so
be careful guys....
No such things as a Cherokee looks like: either you are or are not Indian...:)
Char
On 11/17/06, John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net> wrote:
> Steve Pearson wrote:
>
> >"It is not true. ...The Cherokee nation had full bloods that had blonde hair
> >and blue eyes."
> >
> >
> >I have Cherokee ancestry and I have never heard this. Are you sure about
> >this? Full bloods? I have heard that they tend to be a lighter skinned tribe
> >but blond with blue eyes?
>
"It is not true. ...The Cherokee nation had full bloods that had blonde hair
and blue eyes."
I have Cherokee ancestry and I have never heard this. Are you sure about
this? Full bloods? I have heard that they tend to be a lighter skinned tribe
but blond with blue eyes?
Just curious of the source of this statement
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Griggs Landry" <genealogy101(a)bellsouth.net>
To: <coates(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [COATES] 13 Moons
> Yes,
>
> In fact there is a belief because of movies that all Native americans were
> dark skinned with dark eyes.
>
> It is not true. ...The Cherokee nation had full bloods that had blonde
> hair
> and blue eyes.
>
> Robbie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Coats Family History" <coats.genealogy(a)gmail.com>
> To: <coates(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [COATES] 13 Moons
>
>
>> Indians in those days were like Blacks...some were even sold into
>> slavery...the Cherokee assimilated and were still rejected...I've seen
>> old photos of Cherokee students, they dressed and looked like any
>> other white of their time...but they were still forced to move
>> west...one did not admit to an Indian marriage in those days...
>>
>> Today the Indians don't want to assimilate....:)
>>
>> Char
>>
>> On 11/15/06, John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net> wrote:
>>> Just finished this book, and highly recommend it. Same author as Cold
>>> Mountain. Since most of us Coatses can trace our ancestors back to NC,
>>> SC, and Georgia, I felt a kinship to this story and the author. My Dad
>>> and his brothers had fairly dark skin, and black hair. They looked a
>>> little Italian. Then they grew pencil thin mustaches which made them
>>> look more so, even tho that may have been fashionable in the thirtys and
>>> fortys. But they all had that hook nose which looked so N.A. Of course
>>> these traits may have been passed on through the Limbaugh, Stevens,
>>> Ramsey, Griffin, Bozeman, Carrol, Brantley, Webster, and Medearis lines.
>>> All these lines came across from the South. I have a feeling there was
>>> a lot of blood mixing going on, whch no one wanted to talk about, and or
>>> marriages were never recorded, or were just common law.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
>>> COATES-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Also available through Barnes&Noble.Com
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>> http://stores.lulu.com/cherokeebasketweaver
>>
>> Can't find the records you need and you're a male surnamed Coats or
>> varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project:
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>>
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John,
I am reading 13 moons now. There was certainly a lot of mixing of blood
back there. I don't know why the settlers just didn't assimilate the Indians
like the Spanish did - instead of uprooting them and sending them west. It
would seem they had a good start on assimilation!
John H.
Just finished this book, and highly recommend it. Same author as Cold
Mountain. Since most of us Coatses can trace our ancestors back to NC,
SC, and Georgia, I felt a kinship to this story and the author. My Dad
and his brothers had fairly dark skin, and black hair. They looked a
little Italian. Then they grew pencil thin mustaches which made them
look more so, even tho that may have been fashionable in the thirtys and
fortys. But they all had that hook nose which looked so N.A. Of course
these traits may have been passed on through the Limbaugh, Stevens,
Ramsey, Griffin, Bozeman, Carrol, Brantley, Webster, and Medearis lines.
All these lines came across from the South. I have a feeling there was
a lot of blood mixing going on, whch no one wanted to talk about, and or
marriages were never recorded, or were just common law.
John
Indians in those days were like Blacks...some were even sold into
slavery...the Cherokee assimilated and were still rejected...I've seen
old photos of Cherokee students, they dressed and looked like any
other white of their time...but they were still forced to move
west...one did not admit to an Indian marriage in those days...
Today the Indians don't want to assimilate....:)
Char
On 11/15/06, John Coats <jwcoats(a)htc.net> wrote:
> Just finished this book, and highly recommend it. Same author as Cold
> Mountain. Since most of us Coatses can trace our ancestors back to NC,
> SC, and Georgia, I felt a kinship to this story and the author. My Dad
> and his brothers had fairly dark skin, and black hair. They looked a
> little Italian. Then they grew pencil thin mustaches which made them
> look more so, even tho that may have been fashionable in the thirtys and
> fortys. But they all had that hook nose which looked so N.A. Of course
> these traits may have been passed on through the Limbaugh, Stevens,
> Ramsey, Griffin, Bozeman, Carrol, Brantley, Webster, and Medearis lines.
> All these lines came across from the South. I have a feeling there was
> a lot of blood mixing going on, whch no one wanted to talk about, and or
> marriages were never recorded, or were just common law.
> John
>
>
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Hi,
I need to add something. I have Coats who is also Native American
(possibly Cherokee). Jemima Coats was born in Missouri but her parents were born in
Kentucky.
Her siblings were Benjamin, Joe, Johnnie, Rinna/Rinda, Anna, Maggie and
Francis.
Maggie married unknown Turner
Anna married unknown Griffin
Jemima married Orin/Oren Coats
I know that Maggie was in Bristow, Ok ca 1949. Jemima was buried in
Cimmeron Valley Cemetery.
But the other siblings whereabouts are unknown.
I have pictures of Jemima Coats - Green and she looks full blooded.
If anyone is interested is seeing the picture please email me.
Thank You
Mary
this from Julia Coates...Julia by the way is another Coates Cherokee
line and might be related to the William Coats wife Sarah, that I
think are the same ones buried in the Welch Cemetery in Welch OK...
Hi, Charlott --
As far as the family question, my family is from the Locust
Grove-Salina-Spavinaw area, and some of them were also in Strang and
Boatman. We eventually mostly ended up in Pryor. If I remember
correctly, my great-grandfather, James Mackenzie Coats, had a brother
named William, but I don't know if it's the same one. (My grandfather
was James "Sog" Coates, and I believe he's the one who changed the
spelling on the family name).
Anyhow, there were four sons of Mackenzie and Annie (Spears) Coats --
James (my-great-grandfather), William, Henry, and David -- and they were
raised at the orphanage at Salina after their parents died. This was in
the very late 1800s.
So I don't know if that's enough to tell you anything. We're probably at
least distantly related, though!
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Well, this is interesting....:)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Leo W. Little <lwlittle(a)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 11, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: null439
To: coats.genealogy(a)gmail.com
Hi Charlotte &. John,
James Fox, co-administrator of the null439 project, noticed yesterday
that there are two members of your Coats DNA project at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/coats that have a blue 12 for
DYS439.
The blue 12 is FTDNA's method of indicating that the lab was unable to
determine a value for DYS439. FTDNA then assigned the value of 12
(the R1b modal value for the marker).
The "null allele" at DYS439 is due to a SNP in the flanking region of
the marker that interferes with the testing process. EthnoAncestry
has labeled the SNP "S26".
We've been tracking males who have a null allele at DYS439 (or simply
a "null439") at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/null439/ .
The Background tab has info about the null439 phenomenon, the Results
tab shows all known null439 males, and the Y-Results tab shows results
of males who have actually joined the null439 project.
Barring any mistakes the lab may have made, all males with a blue 12
for DYS439 share a common ancestor. That would mean your
participants 54669 and 64383 are related, even though they don't
appear to have a close match.
It also means your null439 Coats and Coates would be distantly related
to other null439's, although the closest common ancestor would have
lived perhaps 2000 to 2500 years ago.
Please let me know if you have any questions about the null439s. I'd
also like to add your Coats and Coates to our Results page. I could
list them as anonymous if they prefer.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best Regads, Leo
Leo W. Little
Administrator, null439 project (et al)
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There is a village of Coates in Gloucestershire, UK.
Dotty
1. Re: Village of Coates (John Coats)
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>>Little Town of Coates as early as 1822...not sure exactly where this is...
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Thanks Dotty, I knew it was in the UK somewhere but not sure where exactly....:)
On 11/5/06, Paul Verney <paul.verney(a)virgin.net> wrote:
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Coates in San Diego CA...
http://www.co.san-diego.ca.us/cnty/bos/sup5/email/200507/word200507.html
This Coates family has been there over 100 years...one of the original
land grants from the King of Spain 1769...
You have to page down to read the story...this is a Benjamin Coates d 2005
We need a DNA result for them....:)
Not related as far as I know to my Cousin in North County San Diego...
Char
Just in case the site info disappears....:)
Priceless Exhibit
Over the years, the Coates family has been one of the true pioneers of
North County. They have helped preserve an original Spanish land grant
above Lake Wohlford. This year, Benjamin Coates passed away and it was
my honor to adjourn a meeting of the Board of Supervisors in his
memory.
The original Deed of Trust (official name: Chain of Title from the
King of Spain, 1769 to the present-day) which traces ownership of the
ranch, was in the Coates' home and I was concerned the document would
be destroyed in a fire. It validates the name of each owner of the
historic Rancho Guejito and is the only Mexican land grant rancho
still in existence in its original, undeveloped state (all 22,000
acres of it!).
Now, thanks to Mrs. Benjamin (Nancy) Coates, the document is on
permanent display in the Valley Center History Museum. Museum
historian Bob Lerner and the great volunteers at the museum are
thrilled with this gift and have another wonderful treasure to
display.
The museum is adjacent to our library at 29200 Cole Grade Road. I hope
you'll see the Coates' document and all the other fabulous exhibits on
display.
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