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Dear List; Thought I would pass on something that happened this summer.
I'm an avid golfer, and tend to stay at the 19th hole after. When I was
sitting at the bar, 3 guys came in and after listening to their accents,
I asked if they were from England. They said they were Aussies. Then I
found out they had been kicked off the course for playing in the sand
traps. I bought them a drink. Then they bought me a drink of Irish
Whiskey. I told them their ancestors had been dropped off by Captain
Cook, and mine had been dropped off at Charleston, to be transported to
Oglethorpe. They said, "Did you know that Jack Coats was the President
of the Sydney Olympics"? This gave me a shiver, since my grandmother
called me "Jackie" instead of John. So, our roots run deep through
England, Ireland, Scotland, and Australia. Personally, I don't mind
being related to Aussies, although they are a rude, crude bunch.
John
We especially need people to participate in the DNA project who can trace their
Coats or Coates ancestors back to Virginia.
If you are a female, or a male with a different surname, see if you can get a
cousin to take the test for you. He can take the test and your name and email
address can be listed as the contact person if you are interested in genealogy
and he is not. You can pay for the test, or have a group of family members chip
in for the cost. If no one in your immediate family has the Coats or Coates
surname, try to find a second or third or fourth cousin.
We have made some amazing discoveries using DNA tests for some of my other
family lines. It's worth it.
Looking to find out whether the Coats and Coates families in Virginia were
related or not related,
Kathryn Hamilton
Quoting Charlotte Coats <coats.genealogy(a)gmail.com>:
> Folks this is a list of links at FTDNA where you can find specific
> info to give to those that might be interested in joining our DNA
> project....I'd say most people are concerned about privacy issues and
> you'll find FTDNA practices below...
>
> This is where you go to order the kit:
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True
>
> What others have said:
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/testimonials_home.html
>
> PRIVACY ISSUES:
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/privacy.html
>
> FAQ:
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html
>
> If they don't have internet access...are there still people like
> that....:) anyway, you might have to print some of the info off and
> send them...
>
>
> --
> Always Remember: Without documentation, genealogy is mythology!
>
> Coats Archive
> http://www.coatsarchive.us
>
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Is anyone else using PAF from the LDS? I just downloaded it from the LDS
Website, and it's really cool. When you print out the sheet, it shows
just how much you don't know, and a lot of it is recent and readily
available via obits, death certificates etc. Also, prints out a portrait
style sheet for punching and making a binder. Yessss.
John
Charlotte Coats wrote:
>Folks, do not loose heart....:)
>
>I have one researcher in the Coats line that has emailed me to let me
>know that just out of the blue a male member of her line, which she
>didn't know, has emailed her and is a possible candiate for the DNA
>project...
>
>I likewise in the Baker group, out of the blue got an email from a
>descendant of my John Baker line, he has to just send the kit back to
>Houston....boy, did I think that was going to be impossible line for
>DNA....:)
>
>So progress may be slow...but it is out there...we just have to find it....:)
>
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>
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>http://www.coatsarchive.us
>
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>
>Charlotte; I just downloaded a PAF file from the LDS, and started working on a page. I have this funny feeling this is being automatically uploaded to the LDS records, even though I haven't opened a browser. Does anyone know if Internet Explorer can do this without actually opening the browser? I'd rather keep some of this personal.
>
>
John
Folks, do not loose heart....:)
I have one researcher in the Coats line that has emailed me to let me
know that just out of the blue a male member of her line, which she
didn't know, has emailed her and is a possible candiate for the DNA
project...
I likewise in the Baker group, out of the blue got an email from a
descendant of my John Baker line, he has to just send the kit back to
Houston....boy, did I think that was going to be impossible line for
DNA....:)
So progress may be slow...but it is out there...we just have to find it....:)
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Coats Archive
http://www.coatsarchive.us
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Linda B <mamachica7(a)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Coats of Caroline County VA
To: coats.genealogy(a)gmail.com
Hello, Charlotte!
I have a few Coats/Coates in my Caroline gedcom...one
in particular is curious..There is simply a "Coates"
who is buried in Greenlawn Cemetery in the middle of
my Lumpkin relatives. Any idea who that might be?
Linda Butt
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Speaking of Scottish roots...
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Erleigh29(a)aol.com <Erleigh29(a)aol.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2006 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA-ANTHROGENEALOGY] R1b(AMH) closest match is 32/37
To: DNA-ANTHROGENEALOGY(a)yahoogroups.com
Hi
Given the Surname MacEwan, and if there's a quaker connection, in Ulster
circa 1720 with the historic background being 60 years post the commonwealth
period, all points lead to your ancestor being an immigrant to Ireland from
Scotland specifically the western isles or Argyll.
Post the commonwealth period, 1660 up to 1770 there was significant
emigration from the rest of the British isles to Ireland. These emigrants
usually from poorer farming areas, usually found things as bad in Ireland as
the had been at home. So many families stayed in Ireland only 1 or 2
generations and then went on to the New World. Probably as many of these
transplanted settlers left Ireland as the native population. However, once
in the new world they may all have considered themselves Irish and have
spoken with the only accept they knew.
I have found from my own experience many Americans, thinking themselves of
native Irish and Catholic stock with pro IRA sentiments arriving in Northern
Island to face the shock of find their roots were in fact Scots-Irish and
solidly protestant. One guy a spoke to was utterly horrified and guilt
ridden that he may have actually paid money to an organisation that killed
members of his own family. But that as they say now is history.
Usually the surname is a dead give away as to family origin, but not always
and mine included, so yDNA is a big help. However, if you can get any other
details, like in this case the date and religious affiliation, then that can
give you a clear link to where in the British Isles the ancestor likely
originated.
In this case my bet is Argyll.
Best regards
Peter
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One more CAUTION to add:
The FTDNA TiP report was designed to compare people within the genealogical
timeframes that we are researching, which are usually 800 years or much less.
So 91.55% confidence of a match for #7513 and Colla within the last 800 years
is pretty good, but you should ignor the number for years beyond that.
Just as a comparison I asked for a Tip report comparing Coats DNA kit#7658, a
descendant of William Coats of Halifax County, VA, to Colla Uais who are a
match on only 18 out of 25 markers. These are his probability of having a
common ancestor within the past number of years:
100 years -- 0.00%
200 years -- 0.00%
300 years -- 0.04%
400 years -- 0.42%
500 years -- 2.13%
600 years -- 6.69%
700 years -- 15.16%
800 years -- 27.27%
i.e. not very much of a match especially when considering taking it all the way
to 800 years is stretching it.
Kathryn Hamilton
Quoting kh5567(a)toadmail.com:
> I am not sure what the story is about a connection between the Coats and
> McDonald families that you mentioned in your email below, but I can give you
>
> PROOF that (at least in one case) there is a definite connection between the
>
> Coats surname and the clans of Scotland --
>
> The 25 markers which are believed to be the y-chromosome DNA signature of
> Colla
> Uais who was the High King of Ireland who seized Ulster and took his
> followers to Scotland around 325 AD are posted at:
> www.electricscotland.com/webclans/m/macdonald_genetic.htm
>
> One of the participants in the Coats DNA project (kit #7513) is a match on 22
>
> out of 25 of these markers. The only ones which are different are:
> DYS 458 which is 18 on Colla and 17 on Coats
> DYS 447 which is 25 on Colla and 24 on Coats
> DYS 464c which is 17 on Colla and 16 on Coats
>
> I asked Family Tree DNA to run a TiP report to compare the Coats DNA of kit
> #7513 and people who match the Colla signature. FTDNA said that the
> possibility
> that these two share a common ancestor within the past number of years is the
>
> following percentages:
>
> 100 years -- 1.67%
> 200 years --11.21%
> 300 years -- 28.11%
> 400 years -- 47.06%
> 500 years -- 63.86%
> 600 years -- 76.74%
> 700 years -- 85.71%
> 800 years -- 91.55%
> 900 years -- 95.15%
> 1000 years -- 97.29%
> 1100 years -- 98.51%
> 1200 years -- 99.20%
> 1300 years -- 99.58%
> 1400 years -- 99.78%
> 1500 years -- 99.89%
> 1600 years -- 99.94%
>
> So get out your kilt and dance a jig!!!!! there is no doubt that this
> person
> who is #7513 (a descendant of Henry Coats of Indiana) on this side of the
> Atlantic has some deep Irish and Scottish roots on that side of the Atlantic.
>
>
> CAUTION This statement only applies to #7513. None of the others in the
> Coat
> (e)s DNA project so far are as close a match to Colla Uais. This, however,
> would be a very good reason for more people to join in the DNA project to see
>
> if they might be a match.
>
> CAUTION Some people whose name is McDonald are descended from Colla Uais,
> but
> I am NOT saying that this proves a match between the Coats surname in America
>
> and the MacDonald name in Scotland (it is one possibility, but one
> possibility
> among many). The above web page identifies several clans who are descended
> from
> him, and each of these clans has septs and other related surnames:
>
> Scottish and Irish clans historically descended from Colla Uais include: (a)
>
> Scotland: MacDonald, MacGregor, MacGillivray, MacEachern, MacMillian,
> MacKinnon, MacQuarrie, Campbell, MacPhee, MacInnes; (b) Ireland: Maguire,
> MacMahon, MacManus, Agnew, Alexander, Boylan, Cassidy (who were chiefs of
> Coole), Connolly (chiefs in Fermanagh), Duffy, Hale, Hanratty (anglicized
> Enright), Keenan of Fermanagh, Leahy in Galway, MacCabe of Monaghan and
> Caven,
> MacCann of Clan brassil, MacEvoy, MacVeagh, MacVeigh (anglicized form of
> MacUais) in West Meath, Magee in Down and Antrim, MacKenna in Monaghan,
> MacOscar (anglicized MacCusker), MacTully, and MacGrath in Fermanagh, MacNeny
>
> (anglicized Bird), MacRory (anglicized Rogers), MacSheehy, Madden, Norton,
> OCarroll, OFlanagan, OHanlon, OHart in Tara, and MacQuillan in Antrim.
>
> Also some people with the MacDonald surname are descended from Somerled of
> Argyll, the founder of Clan Donald, who was born abound 1100 and drove out
> the
> Viking invaders. Somerled's DNA is different, so #7513 is not related to
> those
> McDonalds descended from him.
>
> So why would it be that someone with the surname of Coats and who thought
> they
> carried the Coats DNA end up matching someone with a different surname? A
> woman
> named Coats might have married a man named McDonald. His McDonald DNA would
> have been passed on to his sons, grandsons, great-grandsons, etc. but in some
>
> instances the children took the mothers surname instead of their fathers.
> Family Tree DNA said we have seen many times in Scottish clans that a man
> will
> take the name of his mother instead of the father if the mothers dad had
> money
> and land and wished to get part of the booty when the womans dad died.
>
> Is that the kind of story that you found when doing research in Scotland?
>
> To repeat what I said before - this does not necessarily indicate a match
> with
> McDonald. It might be one of the other Scottish surnames. Or it might be that
>
> they shared a common ancestor in the time period before surnames were in
> use.
>
> Kathryn Hamilton
>
> From: John Coats < jwcoats(a)htc.net>
> Subject: Baptists,Blacksmiths, and Masons
> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:12:07 -0600
>
> Charlotte; Seems like Baptists, Blacksmiths, and Masons, run in the
> family. Mine line at least. Then they switched to the railroad.
>
> On another topic, at one time during my 15 years of research, I found a
> connection of the Scottish Coatses to the McDonald Clan. No proof tho,
> so I discarded it. Later, a McDonald freind of mine traced hers all the
> way back to Scotland, and visited there for two weeks compiling her
> genealogy. She told me she found the same linkage of the Scottish
> Coatses to the McDonald Clan. I doubt if we are ever able to prove back
> more than 5 generations due to lack of written records, but I hope I'm
> wrong.
> John Coats
>
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I am not sure what the story is about a connection between the Coats and
McDonald families that you mentioned in your email below, but I can give you
PROOF that (at least in one case) there is a definite connection between the
Coats surname and the clans of Scotland --
The 25 markers which are believed to be the y-chromosome DNA signature of Colla
Uais who was the High King of Ireland who seized Ulster and took his
followers to Scotland around 325 AD are posted at:
www.electricscotland.com/webclans/m/macdonald_genetic.htm
One of the participants in the Coats DNA project (kit #7513) is a match on 22
out of 25 of these markers. The only ones which are different are:
DYS 458 which is 18 on Colla and 17 on Coats
DYS 447 which is 25 on Colla and 24 on Coats
DYS 464c which is 17 on Colla and 16 on Coats
I asked Family Tree DNA to run a TiP report to compare the Coats DNA of kit
#7513 and people who match the Colla signature. FTDNA said that the possibility
that these two share a common ancestor within the past number of years is the
following percentages:
100 years -- 1.67%
200 years --11.21%
300 years -- 28.11%
400 years -- 47.06%
500 years -- 63.86%
600 years -- 76.74%
700 years -- 85.71%
800 years -- 91.55%
900 years -- 95.15%
1000 years -- 97.29%
1100 years -- 98.51%
1200 years -- 99.20%
1300 years -- 99.58%
1400 years -- 99.78%
1500 years -- 99.89%
1600 years -- 99.94%
So get out your kilt and dance a jig!!!!! there is no doubt that this person
who is #7513 (a descendant of Henry Coats of Indiana) on this side of the
Atlantic has some deep Irish and Scottish roots on that side of the Atlantic.
CAUTION This statement only applies to #7513. None of the others in the Coat
(e)s DNA project so far are as close a match to Colla Uais. This, however,
would be a very good reason for more people to join in the DNA project to see
if they might be a match.
CAUTION Some people whose name is McDonald are descended from Colla Uais, but
I am NOT saying that this proves a match between the Coats surname in America
and the MacDonald name in Scotland (it is one possibility, but one possibility
among many). The above web page identifies several clans who are descended from
him, and each of these clans has septs and other related surnames:
Scottish and Irish clans historically descended from Colla Uais include: (a)
Scotland: MacDonald, MacGregor, MacGillivray, MacEachern, MacMillian,
MacKinnon, MacQuarrie, Campbell, MacPhee, MacInnes; (b) Ireland: Maguire,
MacMahon, MacManus, Agnew, Alexander, Boylan, Cassidy (who were chiefs of
Coole), Connolly (chiefs in Fermanagh), Duffy, Hale, Hanratty (anglicized
Enright), Keenan of Fermanagh, Leahy in Galway, MacCabe of Monaghan and Caven,
MacCann of Clan brassil, MacEvoy, MacVeagh, MacVeigh (anglicized form of
MacUais) in West Meath, Magee in Down and Antrim, MacKenna in Monaghan,
MacOscar (anglicized MacCusker), MacTully, and MacGrath in Fermanagh, MacNeny
(anglicized Bird), MacRory (anglicized Rogers), MacSheehy, Madden, Norton,
OCarroll, OFlanagan, OHanlon, OHart in Tara, and MacQuillan in Antrim.
Also some people with the MacDonald surname are descended from Somerled of
Argyll, the founder of Clan Donald, who was born abound 1100 and drove out the
Viking invaders. Somerled's DNA is different, so #7513 is not related to those
McDonalds descended from him.
So why would it be that someone with the surname of Coats and who thought they
carried the Coats DNA end up matching someone with a different surname? A woman
named Coats might have married a man named McDonald. His McDonald DNA would
have been passed on to his sons, grandsons, great-grandsons, etc. but in some
instances the children took the mothers surname instead of their fathers.
Family Tree DNA said we have seen many times in Scottish clans that a man will
take the name of his mother instead of the father if the mothers dad had money
and land and wished to get part of the booty when the womans dad died.
Is that the kind of story that you found when doing research in Scotland?
To repeat what I said before - this does not necessarily indicate a match with
McDonald. It might be one of the other Scottish surnames. Or it might be that
they shared a common ancestor in the time period before surnames were in use.
Kathryn Hamilton
From: John Coats < jwcoats(a)htc.net>
Subject: Baptists,Blacksmiths, and Masons
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:12:07 -0600
Charlotte; Seems like Baptists, Blacksmiths, and Masons, run in the
family. Mine line at least. Then they switched to the railroad.
On another topic, at one time during my 15 years of research, I found a
connection of the Scottish Coatses to the McDonald Clan. No proof tho,
so I discarded it. Later, a McDonald freind of mine traced hers all the
way back to Scotland, and visited there for two weeks compiling her
genealogy. She told me she found the same linkage of the Scottish
Coatses to the McDonald Clan. I doubt if we are ever able to prove back
more than 5 generations due to lack of written records, but I hope I'm
wrong.
John Coats
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from what I understand Coats was like a sub clan of the MacDonaldClan...that DNA kit is one of those claiming to Big John Coats ofSC...
On 1/24/06, kh5567(a)toadmail.com <kh5567(a)toadmail.com> wrote:> I am not sure what the story is about a connection between the Coats and> McDonald families that you mentioned in your email below, but I can give you> PROOF that (at least in one case) there is a definite connection between the> Coats surname and the clans of Scotland -->> The 25 markers which are believed to be the y-chromosome DNA signature of Colla> Uais – who was the High King of Ireland who seized Ulster and took his> followers to Scotland around 325 AD are posted at:> www.electricscotland.com/webclans/m/macdonald_genetic.htm>> One of the participants in the Coats DNA project (kit #7513) is a match on 22> out of 25 of these markers. The only ones which are different are:> DYS 458 which is 18 on Colla and 17 on Coats> DYS 447 which is 25 on Colla and 24 on Coats> DYS 464c which is 17 on Colla and 16 on Coats>> I asked Family Tree DNA to run a TiP report to compare the Coats DNA of kit> #7513 and people who ma!
tch the Colla signature. FTDNA said that the possibility> that these two share a common ancestor within the past number of years is the> following percentages:>> 100 years -- 1.67%> 200 years --11.21%> 300 years -- 28.11%> 400 years -- 47.06%> 500 years -- 63.86%> 600 years -- 76.74%> 700 years -- 85.71%> 800 years -- 91.55%> 900 years -- 95.15%> 1000 years -- 97.29%> 1100 years -- 98.51%> 1200 years -- 99.20%> 1300 years -- 99.58%> 1400 years -- 99.78%> 1500 years -- 99.89%> 1600 years -- 99.94%>> So get out your kilt and dance a jig!!!!! – there is no doubt that this person> who is #7513 (a descendant of Henry Coats of Indiana) on this side of the> Atlantic has some deep Irish and Scottish roots on that side of the Atlantic.>> CAUTION – This statement only applies to #7513. None of the others in the Coat> (e)s DNA project so far are as close a match to Colla Uais. This, however,> would be a very good reason for more people to join in the DNA project to see> if they might b!
e a match.>> CAUTION – Some people whose name is McDonald are descended from Colla Uais, but> I am NOT saying that this proves a match between the Coats surname in America> and the MacDonald name in Scotland (it is one possibility, but one possibility> among many). The above web page identifies several clans who are descended from> him, and each of these clans has septs and other related surnames:>> "Scottish and Irish clans historically descended from Colla Uais include: (a)> Scotland: MacDonald, MacGregor, MacGillivray, MacEachern, MacMillian,> MacKinnon, MacQuarrie, Campbell, MacPhee, MacInnes; (b) Ireland: Maguire,> MacMahon, MacManus, Agnew, Alexander, Boylan, Cassidy (who were chiefs of> Coole), Connolly (chiefs in Fermanagh), Duffy, Hale, Hanratty (anglicized> Enright), Keenan of Fermanagh, Leahy in Galway, MacCabe of Monaghan and Caven,> MacCann of Clan brassil, MacEvoy, MacVeagh, MacVeigh (anglicized form of> MacUais) in West Meath, Magee in Down and Antrim, MacKenn!
a in Monaghan,> MacOscar (anglicized MacCusker), MacTully, and MacGrath in Fermanagh, MacNeny> (anglicized Bird), MacRory (anglicized Rogers), MacSheehy, Madden, Norton,> O'Carroll, O'Flanagan, O'Hanlon, O'Hart in Tara, and MacQuillan in Antrim.">> Also some people with the MacDonald surname are descended from Somerled of> Argyll, the founder of Clan Donald, who was born abound 1100 and drove out the> Viking invaders. Somerled's DNA is different, so #7513 is not related to those> McDonalds descended from him.>> So why would it be that someone with the surname of Coats and who thought they> carried the Coats DNA end up matching someone with a different surname? A woman> named Coats might have married a man named McDonald. His McDonald DNA would> have been passed on to his sons, grandsons, great-grandsons, etc. but in some> instances the children took the mother's surname instead of their father's.> Family Tree DNA said "we have seen many times in Scottish clans that a man wil!
l> take the name of his mother instead of the father if the mother's dad had money> and land and wished to get part of the 'booty' when the woman's dad died.">> Is that the kind of story that you found when doing research in Scotland?>> To repeat what I said before - this does not necessarily indicate a match with> McDonald. It might be one of the other Scottish surnames. Or it might be that> they shared a common ancestor in the time period before surnames were in use.>> Kathryn Hamilton>> From: John Coats < jwcoats(a)htc.net>> Subject: Baptists,Blacksmiths, and Masons> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:12:07 -0600>> Charlotte; Seems like Baptists, Blacksmiths, and Masons, run in the> family. Mine line at least. Then they switched to the railroad.>> On another topic, at one time during my 15 years of research, I found a> connection of the Scottish Coatses to the McDonald Clan. No proof tho,> so I discarded it. Later, a McDonald freind of mine traced hers all the> way back to Scotland,!
and visited there for two weeks compiling her> genealogy. She told me she found the same linkage of the Scottish> Coatses to the McDonald Clan. I doubt if we are ever able to prove back> more than 5 generations due to lack of written records, but I hope I'm> wrong.> John Coats>>>>> ___________________________________________________________> This mail sent using ToadMail -- Web based e-mail @ ToadNet>>> ==== COATES Mailing List ====> Find out where your Coate/s family fits. Join the Coats/Coates/Coate DNA Project, http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm>>
--Always Remember: Without documentation, genealogy is mythology!
Coats Archivehttp://www.coatsarchive.us
Folks here's a sample email to help generate more interest in our
Coats DNA project....please try to post it on those mailing lists in
the areas that you are researching...I'm going to post it to some of
the groups in AL and other but I'm sure I'll miss others, so any help
would be most helpful.....thanks...Char
**************************
Several Coats/Coate/Coates families lived in Alabama in the 1880s.
Were they related at all?
To find out, we need to get more male descendants of Coates/Coats/Coate
to take the Y chromosome (DNA) test. Three of my Coats line have
taken it (It takes about 10 seconds to swab the inside of your cheek;
then it must be mailed to the lab), and lo, we are related, plus we have
about ten new, distant relatives. The problem is that there as yet are
many branches in this family that would help us solve many family
connections, so the links to the other relatives are as yet unknown
and the kinship may be back 100s of years! So we need more males to
take the test!
So far 34 Coates/Coate/Coates males have been tested, and 11 distinct
family lines have been identified, plus there are some that
have no matches. Test results are posted here:
http://www.coatsarchive.us/dna.htm
For more info regarding the Coats/Coate/Coates DNA tests, go to:
http://www.coatsarchive.us/dna.htm
Remember DNA doesn't lie...except in the O.J. Simpson trial! ( : 0)
Charlotte Coats
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Well, this clears up a lot!
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: janethunter703@
Date: Jan 22, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: Re:
To: coats.genealogy(a)gmail.com
In a message dated 1/22/2006 12:29:14 PM Central Standard Time,
coats.genealogy(a)gmail.com writes:
There is a William Couts in that county early one who married a
Nancy...
**************************
William Couts married Nancy Johnson. He was the son of John Couts &
Leah Stark.
William Couts is the brother of my Nancy Couts who married John Bird.
William Couts & Nancy Johnson are the parents of Cave Johnson Couts
(do a google!)
A Bird cousin and I went to the Huntington Library (under no false
pretenses although genealogy research there is verboten). Cave
Johnson Couts (of San Diego...again hope you do google first) letters
he received are there...Maybe some he sent.
Anyway...I have JohnCouts Willl, a crucial letter in the collection at
the library saying your cousin is in Kings Point, Dade Co. Mo..whole
ball of wax..
Well you arent a Couts but a Coats...but finding that letter was
really important, though we do have oral history that John and Nancy
Bird came down the Trace to Dade Co. Mo. and that her name was Couts.
This is so much fun.
Janet
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Article in "The Desert Sun News Paper here in Indio Ca. Friday Jan.20,2006.
DNA technology helps link searchers to their history
Genetic genealogy is changing the way people see their own
pasts
By Nathaniel Hoffman
Contra Costa Times
Walnut Creek--- Melvyn Gillette knows her people are from Gum Springs,Ark.
She knew a great-grandfather was born in Alabama,became an African Methodist
Episcopal minister in Gum Springs in 1866. She recently heard about Aunt
Lula's high cheekbones.
But without older relatives to interview, and with cousins spread all over
the United States, the amateur genealogist and president of the African
American Genealogical Society of Northern California ,did not know
much more about
her family history.
Then she had her DNA tested and it linked her to the Tikar people of
Cameroon in West Africa.
" Even though I don't know who that person is who came from Cameroon, I'm
still related to them," Gillette said, thumbing through birth and death records
that she has collected in her Oakland,Calif. , home.
A growing sector of the genetics industry , genetic , genealogy ,is changing
the way blacks and other groups of people see their history .
Companies that have compiled DNA data from Africa or from American Indian
tribes can take anyone's DNA and compare it to a database, possibly matching
them to a specific population somewhere in the world.
Getting beyond the history of the slave trade is important to some.
" Having a history of enslavement isn't the most positive thing to identify
with,"said Gina Paige , president and co-founder of Washington,D.C. -based
African Ancestry.
Many black families can trace their roots back only a few generations and
when students do family history projects in school they often come up short.
"When kids are saying my family comes from Poland or Russia, you have to say
my family comes from Georgia or my comes from Tennessee," Page said.
DNA testing gives black Americans a more specific point of reference for
their identity.
Gillette now refers to one cousin on the Tikar side of the family and her
other cousin on the Kru side a Liberian tribe.
Gillette has been to West Africa twice and has some interest in the cultures
of Africa , but many black Americans have a large psychological stake in the
continent . " Some people go into this with preconceived notions of who
they are," said genetic ethicist Charmaine Royal.
Royal , director of the GenEthics unit at Howard University's National Human
Genome Center ,is studying why people get tested and how they react to the
results.
" The information that people get is only a part of their ancestry," she
said.
Adoptees have found even partial answers useful.
Debra Anne Royer always wore Native American jewelry and was told she looked
Indian, but she had no information on her birth parents.
A few years ago ,Trace Genetics confirmed that she shared DNA mutations
specific to a Northern California tribe.
" I saw it in my daughter," Royer said." She looked like a papoose ."
Some people have used Trace Genetics testing as evidence to prove tribal
membership or to confirm a native link in their own family lore.
" The best stories are when people use it as a starting point for genealogy
people who find out unexpectedly that they have mitochondrial DNA that's from
a part of the Middle East that they weren't really aware of ," senior
research scientist Jason Eshleman said.
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Yes, similar names can be confusing when trying to make connections or trying
to show that the family in one place is the same one as the family that moved
to a new place.
Luckily we now have DNA tests to help us figure it all out. My cousin, a
descendant of the William Coats in Halifax County VA has already been tested.
We know for sure that he does not match, and thus is not related to, the
families from SC that have been tested so far. I am hoping to find people
descended from Coates and Coats families of Virginia to be tested. There are
not a lot of early records for many places in Virginia. DNA tests will help to
show us who is related and who is not.
Kathryn
Quoting Charlotte Coats <coats.genealogy(a)gmail.com>:
> I find this all interesting as well...since the William Coats on Kings
> Creek has a daughter named Priscilla...wife named Frances and there
> are Hunts in SC as well, although not adjacent to this particular
> Coats in SC....
>
> So bad connections can be worse than no connections....
>
> I also think that William Coats on Kings Creek in SC, could either
> have come from VA or PA....he may or may not be related to those Coats
> out of Frederick County MD...but that Charles Coats in Frederick
> County MD came from somewhere else and likewise could have been from
> any of the surrounding states....
>
> On 1/20/06, kh5567(a)toadmail.com <kh5567(a)toadmail.com> wrote:
> > I do not have any proof, but it seems possible that Henry COATS may have
> been
> > the father of William COATS who died in Halifax County, Virginia in 1812.
> This
> > assumption is based on the fact that he fits the right age, lived in the
> same
> > area, and that William had a son named Richard (whose middle name is
> thought to
> > be Henry) and that he had a grandson named Peyton Henry COATS.
> >
> > The following records show Henry COATS living in counties in Virginia
> adjacent
> > to Halifax County. I am not sure if this is the same man who moved around,
> or
> > different men with the same name:
> >
> > Brunswick County wills 26 Sept. 1749, Henry COATS (signed his mark) one
> of
> > three men who valued the estate and submitted inventory for the estate of
> > Joseph PARKS, deceased. Others were Burrell BROWN and John FENNIL. Joseph
> PARKS
> > was administrator.
> >
> > Lunenburg County tithables 1752, Henry COATES on list taken by Richd.
> Witton
> > (this was the part of Lunenburg County which became Mecklenburg County in
> 1765)
> >
> > Lunenburg County order book 5 June 1759, Henry COATS witness for Wm
> THOMASON
> > in his suit against Jos WALTON, to be paid by Thomason for one day
> attendance,
> > other witnesses Jos WILLIAMS, Robt DAVIS, Geo MOORE, John
> > THOMASON
> >
> > Virginia land patent, 3 March 1760, Henry COATS patentee, 200 acres,
> Lunenburg
> > County, on South Maherrin River
> >
> > Lunenburg County order book 6 Oct. 1761, Mathew MARABLE against Henry
> COATS
> > defendant, plaintiff to recover damages
> >
> > Lunenburg County order book 7 April 1762, Henry COATS against John HURST,
> > defendant in debt, dismissed
> >
> > Lunenburg County deed 10 April 1762, Jessey BROWN to Henry COATS, both of
> > Lunenburg County, 20 pounds, 400 acres, Lunenburg County, part of 640 acres
> > patented 20 April 1760, adj. ROBERTSON at Rockey branch, John BROWN, ALLIN,
> > Nathaniel MASON
> >
> > Lunenburg County order book 4 May 1762, Jessee BROWN to Henry COATS,
> indenture
> >
> > Lunenburg County deed 2 Oct. 1762, Henry COATS to Joseph HUNT, both of
> > Lunenburg County, 11 pounds 18 shillings, 70 acres, Lunenburg County, part
> of
> > Coat's patent 3 March 1760, South fork Meherrin on a branch, signed Henry
> COATS
> > (his mark), Scecillia, wife of COATS, relinquished her dower right
> >
> > Lunenburg County deed 2 Oct. 1762, Henry COATS to John HUNT, both of
> > Lunenburg County, 22 pounds 2 shillings, 130 acres, Lunenburg County, both
> > sides of S Meherin River, part of Coats's patent 3 March 1760, signed Henry
> > COATS (his mark), Sessillia, wife of COATS, relinquished her dower right
> >
> > Lunenburg County order book 2 Nov. 1762, Henry COATS to Jos HUNT,
> indenture,
> > Prissilla, wife of Coats, relinquished dower right
> > 2 Nov. 1762 Henry COATS to John HUNT, indenture, Priscilla, wife of Coats,
> > relinquished dower right
> >
> > Lunenburg County order book 11 Aug. 1763, John WILLIAMS, petitioner vs
> Henry
> > COATS, defendant, on a petition. The deft came into court and confesses
> > judgment to the petitioner for 2 pounds with interest from Jan. 1 1762, and
> his
> > costs
> >
> > Lunenburg County, Cumberland Parish vestry book 30 Sept. 1763, returns of
> > processioning, Edwd. COATES and Henry COATS are in a list of people whose
> lands
> > were processioned. Some of the people living nearby were SAMMONS, SMITH,
> > HUTCHENS, GARLAND,SLAUGHTER, ESTIS, CHANDLERS, GLENN, WILLIAMS, BROWN,
> > SMITHSON, LOVE (and more). (Who was Edward COATES?)
> >
> > Lunenburg County tithables 10 June 1764, Henry COATES listed as overseer
> > whose tithe was paid by Josiah SHIP on list taken by Henry BLAGRAVE in
> > Cumberland Parish, Lunenburg County
> >
> > Lunenburg County deed 11 Oct. 1764, John HUNT to John LOVELL, both of
> > Lunenburg County, 40 pounds, 190 acres, Lunenburg County, part of grant to
> > Henry COATS 3 March 1760, on a branch of Meherrin River
> >
> > Lunenburg County will book 10 Oct. 1765, Henry COATS[?] in list of people
> who
> > had judgments/purchased items[?] from estate of Jos JOHNSON
> >
> > Charlotte County deed 21 Dec. 1767, Richard WASHBURN of Charlotte County
> to
> > John OSBORN of same, for 10 pounds, 70 acres in Charlotte County on both
> sides
> > of the north fork of the Meherrin River, part of a larger tract granted by
> > patent to Henry COATS
> >
> > Lunenburg County deed 15 May 1773, William BROWN of Lunenburg County to
> > Matthew MARABLE of Mecklenburg County, d/trust 44 pounds 12 shillings 10
> pence
> > due 1 Oct. 1773, secured by Brown's 200 acres & stock, Lunenburg County,
> where
> > said Brown lives & was bought of Henry COATS, also 10 head cattle, 10 head
> > sheep, horse
> >
> > Lunenburg County deed 26 Jan. 1779, Matthew MARABLE of Mecklenburg
> County, to
> > John MARABLE of Lunenburg County, for 60 pounds, 500 acres in Lunenburg
> County,
> > patented in the name of Henry COATS, deeded on Nov. 28, 1774 in Lunenburg
> > County Court by William BROWN. The land is bounded by EVANS, Highgate
> Creek,
> > the patent line, Highgate run.
> >
> > Lunenburg County deed 1 Oct. 1789, William PARROTT to Lewis CANTILOW,
> both of
> > Lunenburg County, 100 pounds, 20 acres, Lunenburg County, where Cantilow
> lives,
> > part of tract formerly of Henry COATS(?), adj. tract formerly Edward BROWN,
> > Henry ROBERTSON, Wm, BEASLEY
> >
> > Does anyone have more information about Henry COAT(E)S?
> >
> > Kathryn Hamilton
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year
COATES BETTY 12 F W KY KY CALDWELL LONG POND P O 1860
COATES E P 43 M W VA KY BARREN GLASGOW P O 1860
COATES FRANCIS 60 M W KY KY EDMONSON BROWNSVILLE P O 1860
COATES GEORGE 39 M W KY KY EDMONSON BROWNSVILLE P O 1860
COATES H C 33 M W KY KY OWEN NEW LIBERTY P O 1860
COATES HENRY SR 66 M W VA KY OWEN NEW LIBERTY P O 1860
COATES J D 52 M W KY KY EDMONSON BROWNSVILLE P O 1860
COATES J H 52 M W VA KY OWEN NEW LIBERTY P O 1860
COATES J L 35 M W KY KY OWEN NEW LIBERTY P O 1860
COATES J M 45 M W KY KY OWEN NEW LIBERTY P O 1860
COATES JOHN 43 M W KY KY EDMONSON BROWNSVILLE P O 1860
COATES JOHN 64 M W VA KY HICKMAN HAYS DIST 1860
COATES JOHN 43 M W TN KY HOPKINS CHARLESTON P O 1860
COATES JOSEPHINE 6 F W KY KY ADAIR COLUMBIA P O 1860
COATES MANLIUS T 27 M W KY KY OWEN NEW LIBERTY P O 1860
COATES MARGT E 15 F W TN KY DAVIESS OWENSBORO P O 1860
COATES MARY 72 F W VA KY OWEN NEW LIBERTY P O 1860
COATES R S 31 M W KY KY OWEN NEW LIBERTY P O 1860
COATES R SR 76 M W VA KY OWEN NEW LIBERTY P O 1860
COATES RACHAL 77 F W TN KY EDMONSON BROWNSVILLE P O 1860
COATES THOMAS 49 M W TN KY WARREN BOWLING GREEN P O 1860
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H.C. Coates 33 b KY; Casandria 31 or 34 b KY; Mary E. 6 b KY; Martha A
3 b KY; W.W. Coates 39 b KY; O.F. Whitcomb 14 b KY
same page:
J. H. Coates 52 b VA; R. Coates sr? 76 b VA; Mary 72 b VA; Sarah Jane 34 b KY
same page:
Henry Coates sr 66 b VA; Lucy 6 b VA; Adaline 31 b VA; Malita I or J
24 b KY; Lucy C. Christy 15 b KY; John F or T Christy 8 b KY; Samuel
Christy 4 b KY
(might that first Lucy be 60 something rather than just 6 - nothing on
the census though)
same page:
Manlius F or T Coates 27 b KY; Susan A. 22 b KY; Ollie 3 b KY;
Adalasca 2 b KY; infant 6mos b KY
They are all on the same census page
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I not only found your Coates info at this page neat, but compare it to
the spelling of my surname which is Coate. There are only 3 counties
where Coate is found in 1881 compared to Coates which has dozens of
locations in England.
Steve Pearson wrote:
> Very interesting. Go to
> http://www.spatial-literacy.org/uclnames/Surnames.aspx and type in
> "Coates"
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda J. Coate"
> <lcoate(a)ancestrees.com>
> To: <COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [COATES-L] 37 MARKER TEST IS BACK(Thomas Coates NC group)
>
>
>> That's great Larry. I hope you'll have additional persons with DNA
>> to add to the group soon. I was also pleased to see another Marm
>> group sample up. What is really interesting about this last
>> addition to the 37 marker tests in the Marm group is that a likely
>> descendant of Gentleman John and Big John have identical 37 marker
>> tests whereas Marm is one marker off from them. Pretty cool!
>> Charlotte Coats wrote:
>>> 'tis up, 'tis up....:)
>>>
>>> Along with one other upgrade for Marm's group to the 37 marker...
>>>
>>> Char
>>>
>>> On 1/18/06, Larry Coats <larcoa(a)aspermont.esc14.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, as it means absolutely nothing all by itself, I guess this is
>>>> anti-climactic, but my FTDNA 37 marker upgrade test came back and
>>>> will, in due course, be put in the Coates archives(may be there
>>>> already???).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, once I can get at least ONE more 37 marker upgrade from
>>>> someone in the NC group, am hoping that the distance to our
>>>> particular MRCA will be narrowed considerably.
>>>>
>>>> Here's hoping that something comes of all of this.
>>>> Regards to all,
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>>
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