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I have submitted dna for profiling with a company known as Oxfordshire
Ancestors. Our line has been traced as far back as one of the ancient northern
tribes, who probably originally came to England with invading Romans. I have
recently been contacted by someone of Berwick origin who shares my dna profile. On
visiting Scotland recently, I discovered that the name Coates has been closely
associated with the Clan Farquharson, who supported Charles Stuart during the
Jacobite Rebellion. I have yet to establish a link with this particular group
of the Coates's.
I just thought that there may at some stage be someone researching this
particular line of enquiry, who might find this interesting. Any one who feels that
this may be relevant is welcome to compare my dna.
Kind Regards
David Coates - Oxfordshire
For those of you relying at least in part on the transcriptions offered
by Ancestry.com (as I do) I thought you would be interested in a
correction that should be added to your records.
In the Ancestry.com Philadelphia, PA Wills database it shows - as do the
Genweb archives listing PA will abstracts and some Coats family trees
online.
Date: 7 12 1754 Prove Date: 20 3 1760 BookPage: L:409
John Coats. City of Philadelphia. Brick maker. Dec. 7, 1754. March 20,
1760. L.409. Children: Warrick, Isaac, Rebecca Shute, Abraham, John,
Jane Knox, Sarah Penrose, Mary Dutton and Hannah Dennis. Sons-in-Law:
Richard Dewees Penrose and Thomas Shute. Grandchild: George Wright.
Trustee: Thomas Say. Exec: All of his children.
There should be NO "Richard Dewees Penrose" in the listings - the
correct name was Richard Dennis (h/o Hannah Coates) - it was simply
difficult to understand due to penmanship. See Char's site for a copy
of the original will to read for yourself.
With that realized I have revised my listings for Sarah Coates d/o John
Coates & Mary Hale of Philadelphia, PA to read...
Sarah Coates
married first to -
~Thomas Penrose on October 21, 1731
Thomas Penrose is listed in the PA marriage records, in the will of
brother in law Richard Wright, in various Christ Church records, in his
1757 will he lists wife Sarah and surviving children Thomas, James,
Isaac, Samuel & Jonathan - in John Coats 1754/60 will he does not seem
to offer a given name for his son in law "Penrose".
According to various records they had about 11 children -
second marriage to -
~Lester Faulkner on March 1, 1764
Lester Faulkner's will of 1766 lists wife Sarah and a daughter from his
previous marriage.
married thirdly to -
~Anthony Duche on April 24, 1770
Anthony Duche is mentioned in the 1784 will of Isaac Penrose - he names
brothers Thomas, Samuel & Jonathan then Clement s/o brother James and
mother Sarah now wife of Anthony Duchi.
Of interest...
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From: Russell Baker <russell.baker(a)ARKANSAS.GOV>
Reply-To: Russell Baker <russell.baker(a)ARKANSAS.GOV>
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Subject: Re: [ARCHIVES] Use Fees (publication of whole documents)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:25:06 -0500
Gordon:
I have been to several religious archives and local historical society
archives that charged use fees. At one there was no charged to use the
guides to the collections but if the archivist had to pull any material
of any kind a fee of $5.00 was charged for that item. The next item was
also $5.00, etc. At an other institution there was about a $5.00 use fee
per day to use the facility itself. This fee got you the help of the
director of the archives. I was very willing to pay each fee because the
archives had material unavailable elsewhere.
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Subject: Use Fees (publication of whole documents)
Colleagues,
My department chair has asked me to look into the issue of use fees
and manuscript materials-particularly use fees when someone is
requesting to publish a whole document (i.e. editing a diary or
autobiography for publication). I have searched various websites and
found almost nothing on this subject. There are a lot of use fee
policies for photographs and digital images (We already have a good use
fee structure for photographs and digital images). Does your
institution have a policy regarding use fees on manuscript collections
and if so, what are some sample charges? I appreciate any help that you
can give me.
Gordon Daines
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You know...putting these old records online couldn't possibly be any more
expensive than building new buildings...and by the way, the National Archive
Regional here in Laguna Niguel is getting a new building built out south of
San Bernardino I think it is...
I guess that's what they need the $40.00 fee from our records for....:)
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Subject: [ARCHIVES] University of Virginia Library Special Collections
Closing
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:27:00 -0400
Due to construction-related delays in the move to our new building, the
University of
Virginia Library Special Collections will now be CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC
THROUGH SUNDAY, AUGUST 22.
We will reopen most services in the new Harrison/Small building on MONDAY,
AUGUST 23.
Please visit the new buildings website at http://lib.virginia.edu/newlib
for more
information.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
For questions about specific services, please contact mssbks(a)virginia.edu.
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Well, they may be able to research the 20th and 21 century...but unless they
Archives are willing to put their records online...they will reach a brick
wall at this point....:)
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Subject: [ARCHIVES] Virginia Commonwealth Univ. outreach project
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:22:08 -0400
I will shortly be sending a position announcement for this
NHPRC-funded project but thought some of you not in the market for a new
job might be interested, so here is our press release as an introduction.
This project is based on Northeastern University's NHPRC-funded
Under-documented Communities project.
NHPRC awards $160,700 grant to VCU Libraries for community outreach
The VCU Libraries is pleased to announce that it has received $160,700 in
grant funding from the National Historical Publications and Records
Commission (NHPRC) to expand its Archives of the New Dominion community
outreach initiative. Under the terms of the grant, the VCU Libraries will
work with African-American, Hispanic-American, Gay and Lesbian, and
Women's activist communities in Richmond and Central Virginia to record
and preserve the work of their organizations and key individuals. The
funding provided to VCU was one of the NHPRCs largest 2004 grants, and is
the largest amount ever given to a Virginia institution for a records
access project.
As part of the Archives of the New Dominion, this grant initiative will
fill a critical gap in historical resources available to future students
and scholars. With a few exceptions, historians studying the minority and
activist communities of 20th century Central Virginia must rely largely on
secondary sources and demographic data. This project will ensure
researchers a wide scope of resources and evidence to draw from in their
research. While this effort will be important to future scholars, it also
will benefit the local community and the State as a whole. The projects
long-range goal is to allow the heirs of todays communities access to
their own history to better understand how that history helped forge the
world in which they live. By initiating this effort now, the persons and
organizations that have played a key role in the 20th century Richmond
urban and Central Virginia experience will be able to document and
preserve their history directly.
This project forms part of the VCU Libraries Archives of the New Dominion
initiative, which brings together records that current and future scholars
will use in their research of 20th and 21st century Richmond and Central
Virginia. The materials in the collection focus on, but are not limited
to, the social and cultural history of the metropolitan region and are
part of the Special Collections and Archives Department of the James
Branch Cabell Library. Among the issues and movements, which are already
represented in the collection, are Civil Rights, Women's Suffrage,
suburbanization, attempts to revitalize the downtown area, and the
development of the Richmond Symphony. More information on the Special
Collections and Archives department, including lists of collections and
on-line exhibits can be found online at
(www.library.vcu.edu/jbc/speccoll/speccoll.html).
The NHPRC is the grant-funding arm of the National Archives and Records
Administration. It awards grants annually to libraries and museums "to
ensure understanding of our nation's past by promoting, nationwide, the
identification, preservation, and dissemination of essential historical
documentation." More information on the NHPRC can be found online at
(www.archives.gov/grants/index.html).
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Subject: 1740 Dental Care
"1740 Dental Care
Use a good tooth powder once a week or once every two weeks for unclean
teeth. But the mouth should be rinsed daily after eating with fresh
water and scoured with the finger. The tooth powder should not be
composed of all rough or all sharp things such as tobacco ashes,
powdered coral, pumice stone or brick but should also contain smoothe
things such as prepared oyster shell, chalk made from mussels, with a
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Another recommends burned hartshorn, powdered oyster shell and white
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Go for it Char!
Gup
>Ok folks, I got a cell phone number for him...anyone want to call, if I
>call, anyone want to send any messages??
>
>I don't want to post his cell phone to the list...but I thought I'd give
>him a call unless someone else wants to do the honors ....:)
>
>Char
Ok folks, I got a cell phone number for him...anyone want to call, if I
call, anyone want to send any messages??
I don't want to post his cell phone to the list...but I thought I'd give him
a call unless someone else wants to do the honors ....:)
Char
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Well, we got a response here....:) Dr. Stamper has sent it on to the
Patient Rep....:)
Will let you know...
Char
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From: Stamper, David H Dr BAMC-Ft Sam Houston
[mailto:David.Stamper@CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:18 PM
To: Charlotte Coats; Guerrero, Maria Ms BAMC-Ft Sam Houston
Subject: RE: Spec Aaron Coates
I am forwarding this to Patient Reps for attention...
Dr. Stamper
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Coats [mailto:coats@surfside.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:10 PM
To: Stamper, David H Dr BAMC-Ft Sam Houston
Subject: Spec Aaron Coates
Hi Mr. Stamper,
I am a member of the Coates family history group on the web and several
in our group had seen the news coverage of Aaron Coates in your burn
ward...
Is there an email contact for him?
We'd like to do something special for him but we're not sure what his
needs might be...so by being able to make contact we can find out...:)
Anyway, as one of our researchers put it *we need to take care of these
Coates Boys*....:)
Our best wishes to you all for the fine work you do in TX and also the
bravery these young men show over there in Iraq...we love each and
everyone of them....:)
Charlotte Coats
Coats/Coates Family Digital Archive
http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar
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More info...thank you Tom!!
I'm going to see if I can make contact with him at the hospital...they might
relay a message to him...if anyone else finds out anything let me know....:)
Char
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From: "Peterson, Thomas
To: "'Charlotte Coats'" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Spec Aaron Coates
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:53:14 -0500
Char, Brooke Army Medical Center or BAMC is in Fort Sam Houston in San
Antonio Texas
http://www.bamc.amedd.army.mil/ I don't believe they will give you much
due to health disclosure thing. He graduated from Bakersfeild High in
California. Char here is the article on him from Fresno.
http://www.fresnobee.com/local/sv/story/7735978p-8637869c.html
I also saw a MAJOR Coats featured on the cover of a military magazine who is
in the Special Forces in Iraq. Not sure were he is from.
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Aaron Coates was seriously burned in Iraq...
He is being treated, according to CNN at the Brooke Army Medical Center, not
sure but I think that is in Texas...
Anyone know what his family connections are?
Some folks have suggested we do something special for him...any comments?
Char
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From: Russell Baker <russell.baker(a)ARKANSAS.GOV>
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Subject: [ARCHIVES] church related census records
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:35:53 -0500
Dear Colleagues:
Greetings from the sunny South. This question is directed to our
colleagues who work long hours for little pay in church and religious
archives. I have been invited to lecture at a national genealogical
conference this fall on the subject of using church and religious
records as sources for genealogy and local history research information.
I already have a great deal of information. However, I have been told
that many religious denominations in the U. S. have in their archives
records of religious or church censuses taken by their church workers in
the past. These records are said to contain a gold mine of potential
information about 19th century American families. I have not run across
such records in my research. If these are some out there, I would love
to have some samples of these records to use in my lecture. Thanks for
you help.
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FYI...this book isn't titled what it's really about...could be interesting
reading though...Char
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To: GEN-MAT-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [G-M] Domesday Book
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:42:45 -0500
RootsWeb: GEN-MAT-L Domesday BookDomesday Book and Beyond: Three Essays in
the Early History of England, Frederic William Maitland, 1897, 1966.
Illustrated softcover, 5x7-3/4, 527 pages, in very good condition,
especially for a softcover of this age,
with no loose or dog eared pages, highlighting, underlining, only the
introduction has some pencilled notations, and the pages are supple,
indexed.Per the
covers (The book is a lot better than the reviews!-to my way of thinking,
really gives a good understanding of how things were in early day England.)
"'In Domesday Book and Beyond...Maitland completely rewrote early English
social and economic history and provided the truest picture of English
institutions prior to 1066 - from the Introduction by Bryce Lyon.'" And
from the back cover:
"In 1085 William the Conqueror ordered his officials
to collect exact descriptions and accounts of the landed estates throughout
his new realm. The information collected resulted in the famous record
Domesday Book.
Frederick Maitland, a legal historian at Cambridge University at the end of
the 19th century, realized that Domesday Book was the key to an
understanding of England before the Norman Conquest. In Domesday
Book and Beyond, which he described as 'Three Essays in the Early History of
England', he used a retrogressive method of approaching his material. He
began with the Domesday Book and worked backwards, exploring such other
documents as he could find, and from this research reconstructed the social
and economic organization of Anglo-Saxon society. Domesday Book and Beyond
examines the difference between serfs, villeins, sokemen, and liberi homines
and the changes in their condition from Alfred the Great to the Norman
period.It looks into Anglo-Saxon urban and rural communities and deals
with the 'hide' and why it was important to all questions relating to the
land. It concerns itself with the effect of Norman feudalism on Anglo-Saxon
institutions.and it gives and interprets all the Domesday statistics...since
Domesday Book and Beyond was written, nothing has superceded it..." Contents
include:
Introduction by Bruce Lyon
Preface
Essay I. Domesday Book:
Plan of the Survey
The Serfs
The Villeins
The Sokemen
Sake and Soke
The Manor
Manor and Vill
The Feudal Superstructure
The Boroughs
Essay II. England Before the Conquest:
Book-land and the Land-book
Book-land and Folk-land
Sake and Soke
Book-land and Loan-land
The Growth of Seignorial Power
The Village Community
Essay III. The Hide:
Measure and Fields
Domesday Statistics
Statistical Tables
Beyond Domesday
This book covers so many things - the size of a perche (or land acreage) as
it differed among the different shires of England, the teamland acreage
among the shires at different periods, the classes - including those omitted
from the Book, the lands allotted to the Lords of the villages and the
king's men, etc. This is a book that will give great understanding of the
world of our ancestors. It does not do much in the way of names - which in
that time period were mostly first names only. This book covers a time
period of over 900 years ago.
$20 media mail postage paid
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Rachel Coats Widow of William Coats late of the Northern Liberties -
1769/1773
Without going into a lengthy search project there seems to be some
evidence to support the idea that this couple could be Rachel Dubois and
William Coats (second marriages?) as offered on several online family
trees ---
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First Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia, PA (marriages) - online & in book
2, 23, 1734, Cotes, William and Rachel Duboys
7, 12, 1737, Dubois, Sarah and Henry Wynkoop
3, 7, 1741, Du boyes Rebekah and Henry VanMeter
6, 52, 1737, Duboy, Katherine and Joseph Hopewell
7, 29, 1743, Hopewell, Kath. and William Miller
======================
Grandson Theobald Ent --
"Pennsylvania Births Philadelphia Co. 1644-1765" by John T. Humphrey
Ent, Theobald, 25 Jan 1754 Daniel & Rachel (German Reformed Church in
Germantown)
ENDT, JNO. Theobald. Phila. Co. Saddler. (will abstract)
September 4, 1765. November 17, 1767.
Wife: Sibbilla.
Children: Daniel, John, Theobald and Mary (wife of George Miller).
Grandchildren: Daniel and Charles Endt (sons of Daniel).
The Overseers of the poor of Germantown.
Execs. Sibbilla Endt and son Theobald.
Wit: Thos. Rose, Jno. Miller and Jacob Ritter. O.171.
note - 13 Aug 1761 Endt, Mary m. George Miller (PA marriage licenses
prior to 1790) -
ENT, THEOBALD. Germantown. Co. of Phila. (will abstract)
January 9, 1794. March 19, 1794. X.50.
Wife: Maria Barbara.
Children: John, Charles, Mary, Sarah, Sibilla, George.
Exec: Charles Ent, Son-in-Law John Satter.
Wit: Christian Duy, Peter Deal.
===========================
Son in Law Abraham Sahler and
grand daughter Rachel Sahler --
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"Description: Peikiomen & Skippack Census
Abraham von Sahler, miller, 450 acres, 5 children under 21, 3
boundservants, 2 negroes. By the 1776 census he had 929 acres, 1
servant, 2 negroes. In 1793 the real estate of Elizabeth DuBois Sahler
(widow of Abraham von Sahler) was divided - a plantation of 338 acres in
Perkiomen & Skippack. In 1796 Abraham Jr. (the then eldest son) sold 2
parcels of land for ?350 each: 71 acres, and 47 acres."
SAHLER, ABRAHAM. Perkioming, Co. of Phila. Yeoman. (will abstract)
April 6, 1778. May 15, 1778. R.65.
Wife: Elizabeth.
Children: Isaac, Abraham, Elizabeth, Rachel, Catharina,Daniel, John.
Sons-in-Law: Robert Pattin, John Gross.
Exec: Elizabeth and Abraham Sahler, Francis Gurney.
Wit: Frederick Hesser, C---sust[?] Hobner[?].
"Pennsylvania Births Montgomery Co. 1682-1800" by John T. Humphrey
Sahler, Rahel 20 Jan 1746 Abraham & Elisabeth (Augustus Evangelical
Lutheran Church, Trappe in Upper Provindence Twp.)
=========================
Grandson Joseph Hope [well?]
Granddaughter Sarah Miller
http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2884353&id=I250
=====================================
=====================================
Linda J. Coate wrote:
>
> There was also a Rachel Coats, widow to a William Coats, who left
> the following will. We have not been able to account for which Rachel
> and William Coats this applies to. In other words, it could be this
> William Coats and Rachel Ann Budd. Recorded Will book P, p.408.
> Her will is transcribe by me as follows: In the Name of God amen the
> Sixth day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand Seven
> hundred and Sixty nine I Rachel Coats Widow of William Coats late of
> the Northern LIberties deceased being very sick & weak in body but of
> pefect mind and memory thanks be given unto God for the same and
> calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing that it isa
> appointed for all women ( ) to die do make and ordain this my last
> Will and Testatment, that is to say, Principally and first of all I
> give & recommend my Sole into the hands of God that gave it and ( )
> Body recommend it to the Earth to be buried in tha Christian like and
> decent manner at the direction of my Executors Impr( ) I do order
> that in the first place (mony) Just debts & funeral charges be paid
> and satisfied. And (reaching) much ( ) ( ) Estate wherewith it
> ( ) pleased God to Bless me in this life I give devise & disperse of
> the Same ( ) and (f ) following: That is today, In the (f )
> I give and bequethed to my dearly beloved Grandson Theobald Ent along
> right ( ) and property of what I have at or near mount hally, but in
> case the aforsaid Theobald Ent doth not live to the age of one and
> twenty years and die without heirs then the above right and property
> shall come to my dearly beloved grand daughter Rachel Sahler and
> likewise all my household goods and furniture as bed bedding furniture
> and every other Individual thing or article Its my wish that after my
> decease my dearly beloved Grandson Joseph Hope will shall have the sum
> of twenty pounds ( ) lawful money of (p ) as to be paid
> to him out of my estate and likewise my dearly beloved Granddaughter
> Sarah Miller to have the like sum of twenty pounds paid to her after
> all my just debts and charges be paid and in each there should not be
> left so much not to pay them or either of them their twenty pounds
> then to pay them both share alike of what there be left and I do
> hereby make and ordain my loving friend and Son in Law Abraham Sahler
> my sole executor of this my last Will and Testament ratifying and
> allowing this and no other to being last Will and Testament In
> Witness where of I have here unto set my Hand and Seal the day and
> year above written Rachel Coats in her last Willa and Testament in the
> presence of Johannes G(rofs) Frederick ( ). Philadelphia May 14th
> 1773, Personally appeared Johannes Gross, Frederick Hesser
> (Shittlinesen) to the forgoing Will and on Oath did declare that they
> saw and heard Rachel Coats the Testatrix therein named Sign Seal and
> publish and declare the same Will found as her last Will and
> Testatment and that at the Execution thereof she was of Sound diposing
> Mind Memory & understanding to the best of their knowldege and
> Belief ( )Benjamin ( ) Reg. Genl. Be it remembered that on
> the 14th Day of May 1773 The last Will and Tesament of Rachel Coates
> deceased in du form of law was proved and probate and Letters
> Testimentary thereof are granted To Abraham Sahler Sole Executor in
> the said Will named being first duty sworn well and truly to
> Administer the said deeds Estate and being ( ) there of into the
> Refister GEnerals Office at Philadelphia ( ) before the 14th day of
> June next, and ( tive) amount of these Admistration on or
> before the 15th day of May 1774 or when the( ) Legally required, Given
> (recorder) the Seal of the said Office .... of Benjamin (Chew) Reg.
> Genl. (C-2384)
>
>
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1. ACTION IN THE HOUSE -- NOT A GOOD WEEK FOR HISTORY FUNDING:
MASSIVE CUT FOR THE NHPRC AND ZERO MONEY FOR "TEACHING AMERICAN HISTORY"
PROGRAM; NIXON LIBRARY GETS EARMARK
2. REPORT: STATE DEPARTMENT HISTORY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING
3. LEGISLATIVE UPDATE: National Great Blacks Museum; Heritage Area
Legislation; Cultural Conservation of Afghanistan Heritage: Patriot Act
4. BITS AND BYTES: Clinton Library to Open Records Early; Report on
Reading In America; NARA Access Regulations
5. ARTICLES OF INTEREST: "Rise Like Lions: The Role of Artists in a Time
of War" and "Stories Hollywood Never Tells" in The Sun (July 2004)
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NEWS FLASH!
The Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs has announced that the
nomination hearing for Allen Weinstein to be Archivist of the United States
will take place on 22 July at 3:30 pm in room 342 at the Dirksen Senate
Office Building in Washington D.C. The NCH will be there to cover and
report on the event in this publication.
*********************
1. ACTION IN THE HOUSE -- NOT A GOOD WEEK FOR HISTORY FUNDING:
MASSIVE CUT FOR THE NHPRC AND ZERO MONEY FOR "TEACHING AMERICAN HISTORY"
PROGRAM; NIXON LIBRARY GETS EARMARK
Over the last week or so, House appropriation recommendations were
announced for the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA),
including the National Historical Publications and Records Commission
(NHPRC), and the Department of Education, including the "Teaching American
History" grant program. With a recommended 70% cut to the NHPRC and zero
funds for the "Teaching American History" initiative, this year the House
appears little disposed to support programs that advance history and
archives.
On 15 July 2004, the House Appropriations subcommittee on Transportation,
Treasury, and Independent Agencies advanced to the full Appropriations
Committee its recommendations for NARA. Though exact numbers are embargoed
until the full committee meets next Thursday, Hill insiders report that
overall funding for NARA is not bad except for the NHPRC. Reportedly, the
subcommittee has endorsed the Bush administration's recommendation of only
$3 million for the NHPRC. This represents a 70% cut over last fiscal years
allocation, which for the first time reached its fully authorized limit of
$10 million.
While the subcommittee could not find the funds to enable the NHPRC to
operate even at minimum levels, the NCH has learned that House
appropriators are prepared to respond favorably to a request for $750,000
by lobbyists representing the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and
Birthplace to provide governmental funding for planning and design of a new
25,000 square foot archive facility to house the Nixon papers in Yorba
Linda, California. Such an earmark for a presidential library is without
precedent. It violates the spirit if not the letter of the law that
requires presidential libraries to be entirely planned and constructed with
private funds prior to being donated to NARA. History and archive advocates
vowed to defeat the earmark and work for higher numbers for the NHPRC.
And there's no good news for the "Teaching American History" (TAH) grant
initiative either. On 14 July 2004 the House full Appropriations Committee
passed its version of the FY 2005 funding bill for the Labor, Health and
Human Services, and Education departments. On 8 July the House
appropriations subcommittee of jurisdiction recommended a $2 billion (2
percent) increase for the Department of Education for a total recommended
budget of $142.526 billion. The subcommittee's mark included funding of
$261.743 for the Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS) (an
increase of nearly $33 million over last year). Some 24 programs, however,
were zeroed out completely, including the popular TAH initiative. On 14
July the full House Appropriations Committee endorsed the subcommittee's
funding levels and passed the measure by voice vote.
In this year of fiscal hardship, the House's strategy on the education bill
is being viewed by Hill insiders as a pragmatic move that serves to free up
nearly $120 million for other popular programs. The House leadership
appears cognizant that in the Senate the TAH program is strongly championed
by Senator Robert C. Byrd, Ranking Member of the Senate Appropriations
Committee, who undoubtedly will see to it that one of his favorite programs
is funded.
The vote to kill the program, however, reportedly caused some embarrassment
for former history teacher and current Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert
(R-IL). On July 12 Hastert appeared in his home district to symbolically
present a federal "Teaching American History" grant check of $722,943 to
representatives of a local school district that won a grant this
year. When questioned about the future of the program by reporters,
Hastert apparently was unaware that the program had been zeroed out by the
committee. While a press spokesperson for Hastert told the NCH that the
Congressman would not inject his will on the subcommittee, he has let
Congressman Ralph Regula (R-OH), the education subcommittee chair, know
that he is supportive of continued funding for the program.
The full House Committee on Appropriations will mark up the Treasury
Transportation bill next Thursday. The Labor, Health and Human Services,
Education and related Agencies bill is expected to reach the House floor
next week; the Senate has yet to consider either bills.
2. REPORT: STATE DEPARTMENT HISTORY ADVISORY BOARD
On July 12, during its scheduled two-day meeting, the State Department's
Advisory Committee on Historical Diplomatic Documentation met in open
session for two hours. Chairman Roger Louis opened the meeting by stressing
that this was an open meeting and that he welcomed relevant questions from
anyone, committee members, and observers alike.
After approval of the minutes of the March 2004 meeting (soon to be posted
at: <http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/adcom/mtgnts/>), David Nash of the Legal
Advisors Office discussed the status of the Law Digest, which focuses on
international law and diplomacy. The 2003 version of the digest is ready
for the printers and excerpts and citations will be made available via the
Internet. Nash reported that work will soon begin on the Jimmy Carter
papers. As always, materials that are considered classified by their
respective agencies or that would have the potential to violate
attorney/client privilege will not be made available to the public.
State Department Chief Historian and Executive Secretary of the committee
reported that the Foreign Relations of the U.S. (FRUS) series will soon
publish its 31st volume that will address the Johnson Administration's
relationship with Mexico, Central, and South America. The 33rd volume will
be a departure from the traditional FRUS format. Relying on exhaustive
research and extensive use of tapes that illustrate the difference between
the legal technicalities of foreign policy and its actual practical
application, the volume will give individuals a fuller understanding of
foreign policy. Eventually it is the hope of the committee to have access
guides, bibliographies, excerpts, and volumes available in electronic
format.
It was reported that the Office of the Historian has reached an unofficial
understanding about what the National Security Council (NSC) and the
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) would consider classified, and as such,
the work on Nixon and subsequent administrations will be easier. The
History Office soon will have a keyword searchable Internet site for all of
Henry Kissinger's conversations between 1965 and 1974.
Finally, the State Department recently handed over 1.5 million documents,
from the years 1973-74, over to the National Archives and Record
Administration. At the official ceremony commemorating the exchange,
Secretary of State, Colin Powell and outgoing Archivist of the United
States John Carlin signed a Memorandum of Understanding, the purpose of
which was to increase the interagency cooperation between these two
organizations. After screening a brief video of the exchange the open
meeting recessed for a break before the private meeting began.
3. LEGISLATIVE UPDATE -- BILLS SIGNED INTO LAW; BILLS INTRODUCED; BILLS
DEFEATED
National Great Blacks Museum: On 22 June 2004 the president signed into
law, "A Bill to Authorize Assistance for the National Great Blacks in Wax
Museum and Justice Learning Center" (PL 108-238). Senator Barbara Mikulski
(D-MD) and Congressman Elijah Cummings (D-MD) introduced this legislation,
in both the Senate and the House in June 2003. The new law authorizes
funding to this museum so that it may carry out programs relating to civil
rights and juvenile justice up until fiscal year 2009.
Heritage Area Legislation: On 17 June 2004, Senator Craig Thomas, Chair of
the Senate Parks Subcommittee, introduced legislation the "National
Heritage Partnership Act" (S 2543). Similar legislation was introduced
(H.R. 1427) on 25 March 2003 by Representative Joel Hefley (R-CO). Both
bills seek to define what criteria may be used by National Heritage Areas
to classify certain places as historically and culturally
significant. Heritage areas are designated by Congress to facilitate a
partnership with the National Park Service "to encourage relationships that
help conserve the [land's] distinctive qualities and foster local
stewardship of the resources that have shaped our national
identity." Places are selected on the basis of their historical, cultural,
and natural characteristics and amenities. These areas are designated by
the federal government and then receive funding that benefit "citizens,
Federal, state, and local governments" and non-profit interests.
Cultural Conservation of Afghanistan Heritage: On 22 June 2004
Representative Philip English (R-PA) with eight co-sponsors introduced the
"Cultural Conservation of the Crossroads of Civilization Act" (HR 4641).
The measure empowers the President of the United States to "take certain
actions to protect archaeological or ethnological materials of
Afghanistan." The bill has been referred to the House Committee on Ways
and Means for consideration.
Amendment to the Patriot Act Defeated: On 8 July 2004 House Republicans
defeated an effort to amend the Patriot Act. An amendment, proposed by
Representative Bernard Sanders (I-VT) entitled "The Freedom to Read
Protection Act," sought to protect the library records of American citizens
from government inspection. Among other organizations, the Sanders
amendment was supported by the American Booksellers Association, the
American Library Association, and the PEN American Center.
Originally, it appeared that the amendment was going to pass the House over
the objections of the White House. However, the Majority Whip delayed the
vote thus giving him time to persuade several Republicans not to stray from
the party line -- the final vote was a 210-210 tie and consequently the
amendment failed. When Republicans defeated the bill, cries of, "shame,
shame, shame" rang out on the House Floor from Democrats. In spite of the
Majority Whip's arm-twisting, some18 Republicans joined 191 Democrats (and
one Independent) and voted for the amendment. The Patriot Act was passed
just weeks after September 11, 2001. It gave the government new powers to
conduct investigations and detain terrorist suspects.
4. BITS AND BYTES
Item #1 -- Clinton Library to Open Records Early: On 18 November 2004,
former President Bill Clinton plans to release thousands of records
pertaining to domestic policy from his presidency. This release will be
accomplished nearly a year sooner than the Presidential Records Act calls
for and is designed to coincide with the opening of his presidential
library. In total some100,000 documents will be made available to
scholars. This is a small percentage of the nearly 630 tons of Clinton
White House documents that will be moved from a warehouse west of downtown
Little Rock to the $165 million Clinton Presidential Center. For more
information tap into:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30119-2004Jul6.html .
Item #2 -- Report on Reading In America: The reading of literature is on
the decline states a National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) survey entitled,
"Reading at Risk: A Survey of Literary Reading in America." Although the
book industry predicts record high sales for all types of books (projected
sales may top $44 billion by 2008), only 46.7% of adults say they are
reading literature. A study comparing 17,000 adults in 1982 to adults in
2002 illustrates that the number of adults who read novels, plays, and
poetry has decreased by 10 percent. This decline in reading, the NEA says
is a result of technology and changing cultural patterns. In 1990 people
spent about 6% of their leisure time on audio, video, computers, and
software; this has increased to about 24% today. The NEA declares that
having fewer readers shrinks the pool of people who are activists in civic
and cultural life. According to NEA Chair Dana Gioia, "to lose such
intellectual capability and the many sorts of human continuity that it
[reading literature] allows would constitute a vast cultural
impoverishment." For more information tap into:
http://chronicle.com/free/2004/07/2004070901n.htm
Item #3 -- NARA Access Regulations: The National Archives and Records
Administration (NARA) has updated its regulations on access to Federal
records and donated historical materials containing restricted
information. Public comments on the regulations are due 30 August
2004. The new regulations seek to bring the language on access
restrictions into better conformance with the exemptions found in the
Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). NARA also is modifying the regulations
outlining controlled procedures for access to privacy-restricted
information for purposes of biomedical research to allow access for social
science research. For additional background and the proposed new rules,
tap into:
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/06jun20041800/edocket.access.gpo....
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5. ARTICLES OF INTEREST
Two articles this week both from The Sun magazine (July 2004). In "Rise
Like Lions: The Role of Artists in a Time of War" David Barsamian
interviews historian Howard Zinn on the role that artists can play in
advancing social change. In the same issue, Zinn writes in "Stories
Hollywood Never Tells" about how motion picture producers shy away from
controversial historical topics. To access The Sun -- a non-profit ad-free
monthly magazine that publishes an eclectic mix of personal essays,
fiction, interviews, and photographs -- tap into
http://www.thesunmagazine.org/ .
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Hi Linda,
Boy I have been away from Coates research for awhile - sorry for taking
so long to reply to your question but I had to go back through my files
and refresh my memory on what I did and why since this group is not my
direct line.
First let me list my sources...
======================
Ancestry.com lists in their Philadelphia PA Church Records 1709-60
(I don't trust them so I requested a copy of the book yesterday)
-----------------------
Mary Coates - wife of Warick buried 1/10/1744
------------------------
as children for Warwick Coats (no wife listed)
John Coats - buried 29/3/1744-5
Rebecca - buried 3/12/1750
----------------------
as children for Warwick & Rebecca Coats
Rebecca Coats - born 14/6/1760 baptism 15/8/1760
Mary Coats - born 8/10/1741 baptism 25/11/1750
John Coats - born 26/12/1745 baptism 25/11/1750
Sarah Coats - born 15/10/1747 baptism 25/11/1750
Rebekkah Coats - born 8/11/1749 baptism 25/11/1750
William Coats - born 12/9/1754 baptism 4/10/1758
Joseph Coats - born 22/8/1758 baptism 4/10/1758
--------------------------
____? Coats - Warwick son of Warwick buried 2/11/1758
==========================
in the book "Pennsylvania Births Philadelphia Co. 1644-1765" by John T.
Humphrey
Records of Christ Church
Coats/Coates
Rebecca 14 Jun 1760 Warwick & Rebecca
John 26 Dec 1745 Warwick & Rebekkah
Joseph 22 Aug 1758 Warwick & Rebecca
Mary 8 Oct 1741 Warwick & Rebecca
Rebekkah 8 Nov 1749 Warwick & Rebekkah
Sarah 15 Oct 1747 Warwick & Rebecca
William 12 Sep 1754 Warwick & Rebecca
====================
In Warwick Coates 1781/1782 will he lists children -
John, Warwick Jr., William, Sarah Moreland, grandchildren Clement &
Rebecca Plumstead children of daughter Mary Plumstead.
-------------
note - the name Warwick is also mentioned as a son of William Coates in
his 1783 will, a son of John in his 1764/1760 will, a cousin of William
Coats in his 1779/1780 will and a brother in law to Richard Wright Jr.
in his 1748 will. In Delaware deeds - 1768 Warwick of Phila. w.
Rebecca, Sarah Faulkner (late Penrose), Mary Dutton (widow), Robert &
Jane Knox, Susannah Coats (widow), Isaac Snowden and Emanuel Eyres -
last 3 are exec of Abraham Coats [dec'd] will. Warwick, Sarah, Mary,
Jane & Abraham were children of John Coats Sr. [dec'd] and wife Mary
Hale [dec'd]- d/o Warwick Hale [dec'd]
=======================
(found much later in my research)
per "Chronicles of the Plumstead Family" by Eugene Devereux
Thomas Plumstead married August 16, 1762 to Mary, daughter and only
child of Warwick and Mary Coats. She was born in Philadelphia October 8,
1741 - died August 10, 1780. Issue - Clement Plumstead b. Sept. 4, 1763
& Rebecca b. March 8, 1765 m Benjamin Hutton.
Additional notes on Warwick, eldest son of John and Mary (Hale) Coats -
born in Philadelphia Nov. 3, 1715, died Feb. 12, 1782 - married prior to
1741, Mary____ (no record found of marriage) she died Oct. 1, 1744.
Warwick Coats by a second wife had several children.
=========================
Your site lists -
---children of Warwick & Mary -
Mary b. 10/8/1741 d. 8/10/1780 m. Thomas Plumstead
John b. 10/2/1744 d. 3/29/1745
---children of Warwick & Rebecca
John b 12/26/1745 d. 4/30/1788
Sarah b. 10/15/1747 d. aft. 1782
Rebecca b. 11/8/1749 d. bef. 12/3/1750
Warwick b. aft. 1751 d. aft. 4/30/1788
William b. 9/12/1754 d. aft 3/1783
Mary b. bef. 1757 d. bef. 1781 m. unknown Plumstead
Joseph b. 8/22/1758 d. 11/2/1758
Rebecca b. 6/14/1760 d. bef. 1782
====================
I see what I did originally was simply list the 5 children named in
Warwick's 1782 will. I never went back and re-arranged the children
after I found more details on Warwick. Even with that said I am still
not certain that Warwick & Mary did not have more than 2 children and
that Warwick & Mary had more than 7.
To begin with the records indicate that Mary was born in 1741 which is
during the time that Warwick was married to Mary - but the church
records list her mother as Rebecca - I think because Mary was not
baptised until 11/25/1750 during the period that Warwick was married to
Rebecca - so Mary Coats/Plumstead should be listed as Mary's child not
Rebecca's.
Mary & Warwick Coats are stated to have only one child according to the
Plumstead book but that could simply mean that she was the only one to
survive to adulthood. The various records show that there was a
John s/o Warwick died 3/1744-5 and Mary w/o Warwick died 10/1744 we can
safely assume that this child was from Warwick's marriage to Mary.
__? Coats - Warwick s/o Warwick died 11/2/1758 - highly unlikely to be a
grandchild of Warwick Srs. because we know that the Warwick Jr. who
survived to be mentioned in Warwick Sr.'s 1782 will was married to Sarah
Kelly 5/11/1777 (I cannot find Warwick Coats m. to Mary Plumstead even
in the Plumstead book - oddly that is the name of his deceased sister).
So I'm assuming that the burial entry was for Warwick Coats s/o Warwick
and that it was entered into the records or database incorrectly. If I
am correct there was another son of Warwick Sr. who was named Warwick
but died 1758. Without more details there is no way to determine who
his mother was. I do notice that you have Joseph s/o Warwick & Rebecca
with a date of death 11/2/1758 which is the same as listed for Warwick
s/o Warwick - do your sources show two sons dying on the same day or is
Joseph and Warwick jr. the same person?
So I am adjusting my data base to show -
--Children of Warwick & Mary --
Mary
John
possibly Warwick d. 1758 - although he could be a son of Rebecca instead.
--Children of Warwick & Rebecca --
John
Sarah
Rebecca
William
Joseph
Rebecca
Warwick d. aft 1782
Sorry if my sloppy work on Warwick's family caused any confusion - let
me know if you agree with my latest conclusions or if I need to do some
more adjusting....
Thanks for questioning me so I knew to go back and finally make those
corrections,
Susan
Linda J. Coate wrote:
> Who are Warwick's five children by Mary? LInda Coate
> At 03:51 PM 7/10/2004, you wrote:
>
>> If have been away from Coates research for awhile - working on other
>> surnames but the Northern Liberties in Philadelphia, PA is one of my
>> groups also.
>>
>> a simple outline would be --
>>
>>
>
> <http://www.ancestrees.com/>
FYI...
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Subject: NOTICE OF HEARING
The Committee on Governmental Affairs will hold a public hearing on
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 3:30 p.m. in Room SD-342 of the Dirksen Senate
Office Building, to consider the nomination of Allen Weinstein to be
Archivist of the United States.
Any questions should be directed to Johanna Hardy with Chairman Collins'
office (4-4751), and Jennifer Hamilton with Ranking Member Lieberman's
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Yeah, that really is a shame, since if it had been done properly, it sure
would have given us a bunch of info, that apparently we don't have access to
today....maybe in a couple of generations the State archives will have more
records scanned and online...those state archives in the East have some real
trouble sharing their records with the public...I don't understand that,
maybe they don't have the records...:)
Char
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From: "Linda J. Coate" <lcoate(a)ancestrees.com>
To: "Charlotte Coats" <coats(a)hotmail.com>, COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [COATES-L] William Coats and Rachel Budd
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:27:14 -0400
This is definitely true. Rachel Ann was listed as Budd in the Old Coates
Genealogy which was reasearched by a "professional" genealogist in the early
1900s for a Coate family. It was absolutely riddled with errors and
couldn't have been researched by anyone who knew what they were doing.
Much of it looks like it was literally made up. Linda
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Well, I don't think there is anything that necessarily points to her name
being Budd though...and the only Rachel Ann Budd has a marriage record to a
Brewster...so her last name could just as well be Anderson....:) There
also isn't any indication how they arrived at the maiden name of Budd for
her....
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From: "Linda J. Coate" <lcoate(a)ancestrees.com>
To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [COATES-L] William Coats and Rachel Budd
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:33:00 -0400
Charlotte is right. It is only family tradition that she is the wife of
William Coate. We have not found William in any estate record in Newberry,
SC. We have first hand proof that he is not the son of William and Rebecca
Sharp Coate from a 1783 Hunderdon Co. N.J. Deed between Barzilla and his
sisters, other children of William and Rebecca Sharp Coate that clearly
states that all of other brothers besides Barzilla had died without having
issue (without having children). William and Rachel Ann Budd are
presented that incorrect way with all the dates being impossible like Hansen
states in the published genealogy of President Hoover. It is one of the
family branches that is often published incorrectly when studied against
first hand records.
Here are the only two possible records I've been able to find that might
apply to Rachel Ann Budd. Does anyone know who the Will for Rachel Coate
in Northern Liberties, PA could apply to other than Rachel Ann Budd Coate??
(It's the second document below)
The only first hand record we've found that appears to apply to this
Rachel Ann Budd, is a Quaker marriage between Jacob Garwood and Elloner
Oustlon? in 1732 in Burlington Co., NJ where the witnesses include a William
Coate in the men's column listed right next to an Ann Coate in the woman's
column. There is no other Ann Coate known living in the area at the time
with that being her maiden or married name. The only possible other person
it could apply to would be an unknown wife of the William Coate who I have
listed as the son of William and Deborah Powell Coate of co. Somerset,
England born in 1708. The reason it is more likely to be this Rachel Ann
Coate instead is because another witness to the marriage was a Marmaduke
Coate (likely brother to the William Coate listed as the spouse of Rachel
Ann Budd). (C-2280)
There was also a Rachel Coats, widow to a William Coats, who left the
following will. We have not been able to account for which Rachel and
William Coats this applies to. In other words, it could be this William
Coats and Rachel Ann Budd. Recorded Will book P, p.408. Her will is
transcribe by me as follows: In the Name of God amen the Sixth day of
October in the year of our Lord one thousand Seven hundred and Sixty nine I
Rachel Coats Widow of William Coats late of the Northern LIberties deceased
being very sick & weak in body but of pefect mind and memory thanks be given
unto God for the same and calling to mind the mortality of my body and
knowing that it isa appointed for all women ( ) to die do make and ordain
this my last Will and Testatment, that is to say, Principally and first of
all I give & recommend my Sole into the hands of God that gave it and ( )
Body recommend it to the Earth to be buried in tha Christian like and decent
manner at the direction of my Executors Impr( ) I do order that in the
first place (mony) Just debts & funeral charges be paid and satisfied. And
(reaching) much ( ) ( ) Estate wherewith it ( ) pleased God to Bless
me in this life I give devise & disperse of the Same ( ) and (f )
following: That is today, In the (f ) I give and bequethed to my
dearly beloved Grandson Theobald Ent along right ( ) and property of what I
have at or near mount hally, but in case the aforsaid Theobald Ent doth not
live to the age of one and twenty years and die without heirs then the above
right and property shall come to my dearly beloved grand daughter Rachel
Sahler and likewise all my household goods and furniture as bed bedding
furniture and every other Individual thing or article Its my wish that after
my decease my dearly beloved Grandson Joseph Hope will shall have the sum of
twenty pounds ( ) lawful money of (p ) as to be paid to him
out of my estate and likewise my dearly beloved Granddaughter Sarah Miller
to have the like sum of twenty pounds paid to her after all my just debts
and charges be paid and in each there should not be left so much not to pay
them or either of them their twenty pounds then to pay them both share alike
of what there be left and I do hereby make and ordain my loving friend and
Son in Law Abraham Sahler my sole executor of this my last Will and
Testament ratifying and allowing this and no other to being last Will and
Testament In Witness where of I have here unto set my Hand and Seal the day
and year above written Rachel Coats in her last Willa and Testament in the
presence of Johannes G(rofs) Frederick ( ). Philadelphia May 14th 1773,
Personally appeared Johannes Gross, Frederick Hesser (Shittlinesen) to the
forgoing Will and on Oath did declare that they saw and heard Rachel Coats
the Testatrix therein named Sign Seal and publish and declare the same Will
found as her last Will and Testatment and that at the Execution thereof she
was of Sound diposing Mind Memory & understanding to the best of their
knowldege and Belief ( )Benjamin ( ) Reg. Genl. Be it remembered
that on the 14th Day of May 1773 The last Will and Tesament of Rachel Coates
deceased in du form of law was proved and probate and Letters Testimentary
thereof are granted To Abraham Sahler Sole Executor in the said Will named
being first duty sworn well and truly to Administer the said deeds Estate
and being ( ) there of into the Refister GEnerals Office at
Philadelphia ( ) before the 14th day of June next, and ( tive)
amount of these Admistration on or before the 15th day of May 1774 or when
the( ) Legally required, Given (recorder) the Seal of the said Office ....
of Benjamin (Chew) Reg. Genl. (C-2384)
At 11:49 AM 7/10/2004, you wrote:
>Thank you for all your responses.
>
>The reason I ask the question is.
>
>For some reason I am showing William Coate (Coats) {husband of Rachel
>Budd}Will as Newberry Co, So. Carolina -Estate Box 121
>then,
>List of Williams children and birth dates are only available in Mrs.
>Sumrall's book
>
>I am not sure where the Estate Box 121 is from .
>
>I am showing a marriage date of William Coate and Rachel Ann Budd as 31 MAY
>1722 in Burlington, New Jersey
>
>Also, show William Coate and Rebecca Allen French Sharp as the parents of
>William .
>
>I do have written in my notes : Source Hanson Family?? Does anyone have any
>ideas?
>
>According to the Hanson Family :
>A list of Williams children and birth dates are only available in Mrs.
>Sumrall's book, but they are not reliable because the genealogy starts with
>birth of children before they married.There are considerable differences in
>dates and children by the time the genealogy had reached this point. The
>Newbold or Comly collections gave nothing on the line of this family. So
>birthdates are not reliable. William probably moved south to obtain cheaper
>land. He appeared in Camden, S. Carolina in 1762.
>
>This Family seems to be very knowledgeable on the grouping.
>
>Cher have you heard of Newbold or Comly collections.
>
>
>Has anyone else seen this?
>
>I have another question? Did Mrs. Sumrall have children? I was wondering if
>her children inherited her notes,documentation and etc.
>If so maybe she has some other sources??
>
>But, this Hanson family seems to know when William and Rachel were married.
>
>I just thought it "Very Interesting".
>Robbie
>
>
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Hannah married Richard Dennis according to PA Marriages Prior to 1790
abstracted from the PA Archives and Marriages of Some Virginia Residents
1607-1800.
Linda
At 03:51 PM 7/10/2004, Susan McIntyre wrote:
>If have been away from Coates research for awhile - working on other
>surnames but the Northern Liberties in Philadelphia, PA is one of my
>groups also.
>
>a simple outline would be --
>
>unnamed male Coates m. Joan Sisom in England
>Joan Sisom/Coates and 5 children --
>George Coates
>Mary Coates (w/o John Harris)
>William Coates b. abt. 1670
>Thomas Coates b. abt. 1682
>John Coates b. abt. 1684
>move to Philadelphia, PA on urging of her brother Thomas Sisom (already in PA)
>
>(zeroing in on John Coates)
>John Coates b. 1684 England died March 16, 1760 Philadelphia PA
>married Mary Hale s/o Warwick & Dorothy Hale on June 16, 1711 in
>Philadelphia, PA
>
>9 children of John & Mary Coates
>Warwick Coates b. March 3, 1715 d. Feb. 12, 1782 (married Mary ? 5 known
>children)
>Isaac Coates
>Rebecca Coates (married Thomas Shute)
>Abraham Coates (married Susannah Wallace 4 known children)
>John Coates
>Jane Coates (married Robert Knox)
>Sarah Coates (married twice - Richard Dewees Penrose & Lester Faulkner)
>Mary Coates (married twice - Richard Wright & Isaac Dutton)
>Hannah Coates (married someone surnamed Dennis)
>
>The Coates in Philadelphia are very well documented as they were active in
>the community and fairly wealthy.
>Hope that helps a bit,
>Susan McIntyre
>
>
>
>
>Charlotte Coats wrote:
>
>>Well, most interesting...where did this John Coates die? Warwick
>>Coats? there were two, father and son as I recall and seems to me
>>Warwick and a William were in the Am Rev together...
>>
>>Char
>>
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: "Anne Mayea" <annemayea(a)charter.net>
>>To: "Charlotte Coats" <coats(a)hotmail.com>, <COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>Subject: Re: [COATES-L] William Coats and Rachel Budd
>>Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:24:30 -0700
>>
>>I have an old family tree that lists the descendants of John Coates who
>>died in 1760 - He was married twice - to Mary daughter of Warwick and
>>Dorothy Kayl...
>>Abraham was one of his sons but his wife is not listed. Abraham had 4
>>children - William was the youngest. I am descended from John Coat's son
>>Isaac..About 3 generations later - Coat's was changed to Coates..The branch
>>I come down from was
>>involved in Shipping in the Philadelphia area.
>>
>>
>>Anne Mayea
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Charlotte Coats" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
>>To: <annemayea(a)charter.net>; <COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:16 AM
>>Subject: Re: [COATES-L] William Coats and Rachel Budd
>>
>>
>> > Hmm, that's interesting...do you have any other info on this William? did
>> > he remain in PA? let's see Northern liberties...there was a William Coats
>> > in the Revolution out of PA, but as I recall we don't know what his wife's
>> > name was, but he was a Col in the Am Rev..
>> >
>> > Where was Abraham from? the same PA area? Yep, a Samuel Coats over in
>> > Delware as I recall...but I've not done any research in that area...
>> >
>> > Char
>> >
>> >
>> > ----Original Message Follows----
>> > From: "Anne Mayea" <annemayea(a)charter.net>
>> > To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>> > Subject: Re: [COATES-L] William Coats and Rachel Budd
>> > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:06:07 -0700
>> >
>> > There is a William Coats (born about 1765) in my family - he was the son
>>of
>> > Abraham Coats and lived in what was called the Northern Liberties...His
>> > descendants ended up in
>> > Delaware and the Philadephia, PA area.
>> >
>> > Anne Mayea
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Charlotte Coats" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
>> > To: <COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:52 AM
>> > Subject: RE: [COATES-L] William Coats and Rachel Budd
>> >
>> >
>> > > Yes, both the Newbold and Pemberton families have collections in the
>>LDS,
>> > > notes as I recall...but they both show a connection to the Coats' in SC
>> > > through this old Coats genealogy....that William Coats in 1762, let's
>>see
>> > > Camden would be the William Coats on Kings Creek in Newberry County,
>>son
>> > was
>> > > Barton Coats...but I don't know that he came to Camden in 1762....I've
>> > not
>> > > checked the records of the Maryland connection with this group i.e.
>> > Notley
>> > > and Charles Coats of Chester and Newberry Counties...but it is quite
>> > > possible they are brothers and came to SC from Maryland, their father
>> > being
>> > > named Charles as well, but the name is spelled Coarts in MD...so that
>> > needs
>> > > to be checked to make sure
>> >
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