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Robbie; This doesn't agree at all with what I have on James Robert
Coats. I got my info from Annie Sue Coats Sumrall of Meridian, Ms., who
died ca 1999. Some of James's descendents still live in Meridian, I
believe, David Coats and Tom Coats. My brother and I visited with them
in 1993. I think I already posted what I got from her. There is a
definite disconnect with this information and what I have.
John Coats
Robbie Griggs Landry wrote:
>James Robert Coate (Coats)
>b.March 09, 1786 Newberry South Carolina
>d.November 16, 1861Meridian Mississippi
>
>(m) December 24, 1807 Newberry South Carolina
>
>Josephine Elizabeth Webster
>
>Issue:
>James Elgin Coate
>b.April 07, 1819
>d. May 13, 1898 Meridian Mississippi
>(m) February 04, 1847
>Quintella Danderson
>
>Issue:
>John Andrew Webster Coats
>b.February 04, 1848 Mississippi
>d. Unknown Decautur, Newton,MS
>(m)
>January 30, 1868
>Celestia "Agnes" Buffington
>
>Issue:
>Martin Luther Coats
>b. Unknown
>d. Unknown
>(m) Sarah Jane Walden
>
>Issue:
>Eula Mae Coats
>b. January 25, 1908 Newton County, Mississippi
>d. July 04, 1984 West Monroe,Ouachita Parish,Louisiana (Wednesday) 76 years 5 months 9 days
>(m) February 10, 1925 Clarks Camp # 24 Clarks, Caldwell Parish,Louisiana
>William Alex ( Ellic) Coates,Sr.
>Son of Charles William Coates and Laura Caster L. Boyd
>
>** Note: Charles William Coates is a brother to my Grandmother( Emma Viola Coates). His father was Simeon Charles Austin Lanehart Coates.
>Son of Charles Austin Marion Coates and Martha Adeline Thomas.
>Son of Austin Marion Coates and Margaret Coon.
>
>Robbie
>
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1850 U.S. Census . Georgia . Harris . Osborn Mill District
H/H 956/1015 page 20 ABNER G. Coats age 22 farmer 22 SC
Syntha age 21
Mary J. age 7
Sarah A.
Living next door to JOHN COATS age 68 farmer SC
wife Mary age 65
1880 John Coats message I just sent
these are the people in his household
name and age
John (head) 50
Mary (wife) 38
Marqurite (dau) 20
Rosalie (dau) 16
Kattie (dau) 12
John (son) 7
Thomas (son) 14
Census 1880 Louisiana E.D. 45, New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
<1830>
Birthplace ITALY
Age 50
Occupation Private Watchman
Marital Status M <Married>
Race W <White>
Head of Household John COATS
Relation Self
Father's Birthplace ITALY
Mother's Birthplace ITALY
James Robert Coate (Coats)
b.March 09, 1786 Newberry South Carolina
d.November 16, 1861Meridian Mississippi
(m) December 24, 1807 Newberry South Carolina
Josephine Elizabeth Webster
Issue:
James Elgin Coate
b.April 07, 1819
d. May 13, 1898 Meridian Mississippi
(m) February 04, 1847
Quintella Danderson
Issue:
John Andrew Webster Coats
b.February 04, 1848 Mississippi
d. Unknown Decautur, Newton,MS
(m)
January 30, 1868
Celestia "Agnes" Buffington
Issue:
Martin Luther Coats
b. Unknown
d. Unknown
(m) Sarah Jane Walden
Issue:
Eula Mae Coats
b. January 25, 1908 Newton County, Mississippi
d. July 04, 1984 West Monroe,Ouachita Parish,Louisiana (Wednesday) 76 years 5 months 9 days
(m) February 10, 1925 Clarks Camp # 24 Clarks, Caldwell Parish,Louisiana
William Alex ( Ellic) Coates,Sr.
Son of Charles William Coates and Laura Caster L. Boyd
** Note: Charles William Coates is a brother to my Grandmother( Emma Viola Coates). His father was Simeon Charles Austin Lanehart Coates.
Son of Charles Austin Marion Coates and Martha Adeline Thomas.
Son of Austin Marion Coates and Margaret Coon.
Robbie
FYI....Char
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From: Clideryce(a)aol.com
To: coats(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Coats/Rice
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:32:29 EST
Hello Ms Coats!
My name is Clyde Rice and my Rices were highly related to some Coats in my
paternal grandparents time. Stanley K. Rice, (grandpa), married AnnaBelle
Coats, (grandma). Stanley's sister Amy Rice married AnnaBelle's brother,
Ernest
Coats. This all took place in northeast Nebraska around the turn of the
last
century. The Rices came from IA, by way of ILL and originally NY and
sometimes
PA. The Coats, orally, (although I remember a letter from Coats estate),
were
supposed to be connected to the Coats & Clark Thread Co. They were supposed
to be inheritors of some two square blocks of Manhattan, NY, leased for a
hundred years and just came due after sale in my early childhood. I can
remember
her getting a letter that was her notice of the finalization of the estate.
All she got was a notice, too far down the line, (or someone had great
lawyers)!
Any way I couldn't not contact you, we have lost track of some of the Coats
branch. Likely, no chance, but?
Thanks, whatever,
Clyde Rice, now in MO.
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From what I have read there is no definite date of death for Lindsay
Coates s/o Lindsay Coates & Ruth Hughes. He was still alive in 1798 and
mentioned in his father's will - per the 1818 newspaper they are
concerned about him but he is still assumed alive. At a later (unnamed)
date skeletal remains were found that were identified (dental ID) as
Lindsay Coates Jr. who died unmarried.
Linda J. Coate wrote:
> I take it that this Lindsay Coats disappeared in 1818? Do you know
> who he was.... maybe a brother to William's wife, Ruth Coats?
>
>
> At 02:57 PM 11/22/2003, you wrote:
>
>> I am still trying to track down the William Elliott who married Ruth
>> Hughes in 1792 PA who may be connected to the William Elliott who was
>> a bondsman in the 1826 North Carolina Coates marriage. To be honest
>> I have loaned some of my reference materials to a friend so I do not
>> have them handy to search right now - but I did post a query on a
>> mailing list that I belong to and was generously given the following
>> information (note - this Lindsay Coats would have been the brother
>> in law of William Elliott)...
>>
>> "[source: "Advertisements and Notices of Interest, from Norristown PA
>> Newspapers, 1799-1821", compiled by Judith A H Meier, pub 1988.]
>>
>> p 116:
>> Lindsay COATS of Upper Merrion left his home on the night of the 13th
>> of April last, in a deranged state of mind (and has not since been
>> heard of); is about 40 years of age, 5 feet 9 or 10 inches high,
>> light eyes, dark hair, and walks very erect. Give information to
>> William ELLIOTT, North Third Street, Philadelphia, or to Jesse
>> ROBERTS of Norristown.
>>
>> So at least in 1818, William ELLIOTT was in Philadelphia!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> <http://www.ancestrees.com/>
Lindsay Coates married Ruth Hughes in Philadelphia PA on April 13, 1765
their children were
Sarah, Ruth, Lindsay & Mary
Ruth Hughes/Coates died before February 1777 and Lindsay sr. remarried.
It was their daughter Ruth Coates b. 1770 who married William Elliot in
Montgomery Co. PA on November 29, 1792.
Although there were a number of Lindsay Coates in PA I am assuming that
it was the son of Lindsay & Ruth who is mentioned in the 1818 article
since it lists his age as about 40 (Lindsay was born abt. 1771) and his
brother in law William Elliott & his "uncle" Jesse Roberts are listed
as contacts.
Armed with the data offered in the article I checked a bit into the
Philadelphia, PA census and found -
William Elliott was an innkeeper living on Third Street in the High St.
Ward per the 1810 PA census
there is also a William Elliott in the High St. Ward on the 1820 PA census
the 1830 High St. Ward does not list any Elliotts which could indicate --
1 - there was a boundary change
2 - he died
3 - if alive he is 60+ so he could be living in a relative's household
4 - he moved
5 - he was missed by the census taker - and so on....
at this point without more details there is no way to tell since William
Elliott is a fairly common name and appears in a number of 1830 census
listings.
Linda J. Coate wrote:
> Good detective work, but by the way, Lindsay Coats married Ruth Hughes
> in 1792. I think it must be their son Lindsay who is referred to in
> the newspaper article below in 1818. They also had daughter Ruth
> Coats who married William Elliott. Linda
>
> At 02:57 PM 11/22/2003, Susan McIntyre wrote:
>
>> "[source: "Advertisements and Notices of Interest, from Norristown PA
>> Newspapers, 1799-1821", compiled by Judith A H Meier, pub 1988.]
>>
>> p 116:
>> Lindsay COATS of Upper Merrion left his home on the night of the 13th
>> of April last, in a deranged state of mind (and has not since been
>> heard of); is about 40 years of age, 5 feet 9 or 10 inches high,
>> light eyes, dark hair, and walks very erect. Give information to
>> William ELLIOTT, North Third Street, Philadelphia, or to Jesse
>> ROBERTS of Norristown.
>>
>> So at least in 1818, William ELLIOTT was in Philadelphia!"
>>
>
>
> <http://www.ancestrees.com/>
FYI...Char
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From: OrinWells <orinwells(a)wells.org>
Reply-To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [DNA] OT - Potential misuse of samples
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:38:47 -0800
At 09:58 AM 11/23/2003, Lowe DNA wrote:
> Let me think what application I could this to good use.....would a drug
>company like to tap into our database....would the pool of medical and
>insurance related databases like to have our information......
I think some of you are being MUCH too suspicious. I have looked into what
they are doing sufficiently including visiting the project when it was still
at BYU and I believe Mr. Sorenson is doing this for the science and not for
the profit. He already has more money than all of us combined could spend
in our lifetimes.
The consent forms that are signed by participants make it very clear that
the samples can NEVER be shared with any third party without the express
written consent of the participants. If they wish to share my sample with
some unauthorized entity, I will be happy to stand at the front of the
class-action line to get some of Mr. Sorenson's money for violating the
contract and I would not hesitate to sue the recipients for invasion of
privacy.
Having a database with y-chromosome dna results that can be searched without
being able to identify the exact individual who contributed the sample is a
far cry from having a database of all dna information linked to names that
can be sold to such companies as you suggest. I have no hesitation in
trusting in the integrity and good intentions of Mr. Sorenson, the members
of the project and the project itself. I am still skeptical that they will
achieve what they set out to achieve, but I am confident they will end up
with a valuable tool that all of us may find beneficial.
Like Dirty Harry said, "Come on. Make my day. Please sell my DNA!"
Frankly, I would be more concerned about the blood samples we all give
periodically to labs through our physicians for testing. Ever wonder what a
profit driven unscrupulous diagnostic lab might be moved to do with the
extra blood? When was the last time you and they signed a form stating what
they could or could not do with your sample? Do you REALLY know? You might
send a sample to see if you have high cholesterol levels, but they only need
a small portion of the sample for that test. How do you know they don't
have a contract with some drug company or intermediary to send the unused
portions for some financial incentive? The insurance companies have far
greater access to this source than they do to some private research project
because they control the revenue flow through the labs.
More likely the labs send the unused blood samples (probably still in the
original vials marked with your name and ID) to a hazardous waste disposal
company. We all "know" how those companies are run from past criminal and
civil cases. We can conjure up visions of mafia thugs or Russian
immigrants who have no scruples running these businesses, although it may be
untrue. Do you think they have changed their spots? How hard do you think
it would be for such a company to package up these samples and sell them to
an insurance company or other entity capable of matching up the donor to
actual insured clients?
Or, when one applies for a Life Insurance policy these days they always take
a blood sample to analyze for possible problems that might cause you to kick
the bucket before they have collected enough money from you. What do you
suppose they do with these samples? Could they possibly run far more tests
than you think? Maybe they keep a sample in the freezer waiting for
technology to catch up so they can run a full DNA analysis on you. Why
would these companies need to get a sample from a genealogy dna testing lab
when they probably already have a sample sitting in their storage freezers.
Want to have a conspiracy theory to worry about? Worry about that.
Orin R. Wells
Wells Family Research Association
P. O. Box 5427
Kent, Washington 98064-5427
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I am still trying to track down the William Elliott who married Ruth
Hughes in 1792 PA who may be connected to the William Elliott who was a
bondsman in the 1826 North Carolina Coates marriage. To be honest I
have loaned some of my reference materials to a friend so I do not have
them handy to search right now - but I did post a query on a mailing
list that I belong to and was generously given the following
information (note - this Lindsay Coats would have been the brother in
law of William Elliott)...
"[source: "Advertisements and Notices of Interest, from Norristown PA Newspapers, 1799-1821", compiled by Judith A H Meier, pub 1988.]
p 116:
Lindsay COATS of Upper Merrion left his home on the night of the 13th of April last, in a deranged state of mind (and has not since been heard of); is about 40 years of age, 5 feet 9 or 10 inches high, light eyes, dark hair, and walks very erect. Give information to William ELLIOTT, North Third Street, Philadelphia, or to Jesse ROBERTS of Norristown.
So at least in 1818, William ELLIOTT was in Philadelphia!"
In a message dated 11/21/03 4:10:29 PM, genealogy101(a)bellsouth.net writes:
> I found in a DISMUKES BOOK today that......
> REV WAR COATS
> William Coats and Susannah Dismukes had a son named BEVERLY COATS .
> He was a Cripple and educated by President Andrew Jackson .
>
Beverly Coats was a teacher in Goodlettsville Sumner/Davidson Co. TN. He was
in fact handicapped from birth and was according to my account a well
respected educator. He was teaching in 1835 as there are accounts of him being paid
for his services that year. "It is a Goodly Land" by Deborah Henderson & Glaude
Garrett, Goodlettsville, TN.
Terry Coats
William Houston Dismukes (m) Mary Jane Coats Sept. 6,1859 Jasper County, GA.
She was born Jan.1842 dau. of Abner G. Coats and Cynthia Huguley.
Abner Coats is Buried in Rocky Mountain Cemetery Elmore, ALA.
Cynthia is buried in the Methodist Cemetery Robinson Springs, Elmore County, Alabama.
The Coats came from South Carolina to Jasper County, GA. by 1830 and to Harris County GA. by 1840
I found in a DISMUKES BOOK today that......
REV WAR COATS
William Coats and Susannah Dismukes had a son named BEVERLY COATS .
He was a Cripple and educated by President Andrew Jackson .
I knew William Coats had a son named Austin Coats that married Lucinda Dismukes (a cousin)
She died in McKinley Alabama.
Issue:
1. John Rea Coats (m) Sarah Rebecca Chapman June11,1850 Marengo County, ALA.
2. William Austin Coats (m) first Carrie Conner Bennett June 21,1881Mc Kinley Ala (They had 10 Children) 2nd (m) Kate McKorkle (no Children)
3.) Alton Rea Coats
4.) Edward Creagh Coats
5.) Sallie Thomas Coats (m) Walter Reese Dismukes (a Cousin)
6.)William Bennett Coats d. May 11, 1949 Montgomery Ala.
7.) John Burwick Coats
8.) Sisky Young Coats
9.) Dickson Towns Coats
10.) Mary Lou Coats
11.) Carrie Ruth Coats
12.) Miller Coats
HMMM... one of my gr.,gr.gr,grandfather's Daniel Bowman was good friends with Andrew Jackson and his son fought under Andrew Jackson's command.
Wonder if they knew each other??
I hope this helps someone.
Robbie
McCormick, Leander James,
Family record and biography
Chicago: unknown, 1896, 588 pgs.
p. 78
Margaret Jane Foresman, daughter of Robert J. and Sarah McCormick Foresman,
granddaughter of Seth McCormick, 1st, great granddaughter of Hugh McCormick,
2nd, great great granddaughter of Hugh McCormick, 1st b 1828 married William
Coates
Also referes to a William Coates Foresman, not sure if he's a cousin or
brother to Margaret
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That would be great. This could easily be a lead for that North Carolina
group. Linda
At 07:37 PM 11/19/2003, you wrote:
>It's also possible that the William Elliot in NC in 1826 is the son or
>nephew of William Elliot who married Ruth Coates. Just to add to the
>confusion there were at least four Lindsay Coates in PA (original, son,
>nephew, grandson) along with relatives named Lindsay Coates Moore,
>Lindsay Coates Smith, Lindsay Coates DeHaven to name a few - so a name as
>common as William Elliot is ripe for repeating. When I get a chance I
>will try to locate further information on William Elliot to see if he or
>Ruth are buried in the Coates family plot in PA. I never had a reason to
>look further into the couple since they were "extended family". But I
>can tell you that the two sisters of Ruth Coates/Elliot died in Clermont
>Co. Ohio and that Ruth Coates/Elliot's grandfather (John Hughes) a PA
>resident died in South Carolina - his wife may have too - (I will have to
>find my reference to get the details).
>
>This particular researcher has Orrin Coats married to Elizabeth Cook (I
>think they are referring to the same couple as we are discussing) -
><http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=cgeelhart&id=I1300>http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=cgeelhart&id=I1300
>but their site does not state their documentation (if any). Perhaps it
>would be worth while to contact the person to see what they have to offer.
>
>
>
>
>
>Linda J. Coate wrote:
>>I just checked the 1820, and there are two William Elliots in Guilford
>>Co., NC (I think that later became Rowan Co., NC) but both are between 26
>>and 45. Linda Coate
>>At 08:09 PM 11/18/2003, Susan McIntyre wrote:
>>>Just to add to the information - if this is the same William Elliot that
>>>married Ruth Coates - he would be close to 60 years old in 1826 based on
>>>Ruth Coates being born in 1770 PA. Have you checked the census records
>>>to see if there was a William Elliot living in the area? In the 1820
>>>census he should appear in the male 45 & over column and in the 1830
>>>census he would be in male 50-60 or 60-70 range. That might help
>>>further define if it is the same William Elliott.
>>>
>>>
>
>
> LINDA COATE,
>Columbus, Ohio
>lcoate(a)ancestrees.com
>www.ancestrees.com
>
I agree with Larry, William Coats is a prime candidate to be Martha's
father. Can't totally rule out Solomon or Henry though.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Coats [mailto:larcoa@aspermont.esc14.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:52 AM
To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Martha Patsy COATS
To John(in WA)and Cookie,
Believe this Martha would be one of the daughters of Wm Coats of Rowan Co.
NC, who later relocated to Lincoln Co. TN and died there before 1829. The
name of Wm's wife is still a questionable matter and not proven yet.
Larry
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: [COATES-L] Martha Patsy COATS
> Hello, to the list:
> Can anyone help me with any information on a Martha Patsy COATS,
> born in North Carolina abt 1782; married James WILLIS, 12/17/1804,
> in Rowan County, NC ??? Anything would be greatly appreciated.
> Cookie, a Hoosier Boy in Florida
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Here is a bit of info on the Elliot family of the Potts Creek/Jersey
Settlement area in Rowan County, NC. There is a 1791 will for a William
Elliot that mentions his wife Jane and son William as executors. Andrew
Merrill and Ann Elliot are witnesses. This Andrew Merrill was most likely
the same one who became guardian of Solomon Coats' children in 1806.
There is a 1803 will for a George Elliot that mentions a lot of folks
including his sons Andrew, William, Richard, Robert and Hugh and daughters
Mary Barry and Jane Dunn. Note that William has a son John.
There are loose estate papers for a William Elliot who died in 1814. Lot of
names but many are hard to read. He is listed as having land adjoining
Abraham Sharp, John Elliot and George Beck. His wife Anna and daughters
Nancy, Polly, and Winifred are also listed. An interesting side note is that
in 1826 Wylie Coats was brought in to determine if the 100 acres of land
could be subdivide. Wiley was a surveyor and apparently had some knowledge
of land values in the area. Also note that the Abraham Sharp was the
bondsman for the marriage of William Coats to Malinda Barret. He is also a
direct ancestor of mine.
John Coates (WA)
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian COATS [mailto:bandjcoats@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:15 PM
To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [COATES-L] North Carolina Marriage Bond
Is there a reason why this bond has Orrin "Coats" marrying Elizabeth
"Coats"? Is Coats her maiden name? On other bonds I looked at in the book
the last names are usually different. Could this mean she was previously
married to another Coats? Possibly a brother? Or is she a cousin? Just
wondering. The connection between William Elliott and Ruth Coates on this
bond is interesting. I know you have proposed before Linda that this group
originally came from PA before settling in NC. If this is the same William
Elliott then this gives some more weight to the theory.
Brian
>From: "Linda J. Coate" <lcoate(a)ancestrees.com>
>To: "Brian COATS" <bandjcoats(a)msn.com>, COATES-L(a)Rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [COATES-L] North Carolina Marriage Bond
>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:06:44 -0500
>
>A William Elliot was married to a Ruth Coates on Nov. 29, 1792 in
>Montgomery Co., PA. Ruth was the daughter of Lindsay Coates and Ruth
>Hughes. This is a line that descends from an unknown Coates and Joan
>Sisom.
>
>At 03:53 PM 11/17/2003, you wrote:
>>While searching through some Ancestry.com records today I came across a
>>marriage bond between Orrin Coats and Elizabeth Coats. The bond date is
>>13 April 1826. Rowan County, North Carolina. Record number 01 069,
>>Bondsman William Elliott. Bond # 000123688. This information as
>>apparently from the North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741 - 1868.
>>
>>The reason this Marriage bond is important to me is I think that this
>>Orrin Coats is the brother of my oldest known ancestor Benjamin Coats.
>>Based on the Bond Date of this marriage bond (April 13, 1926) and the
>>marriage of Benjamin in 1828 in Illinois I think I may be able to narrow
>>the period when they left North Carolina and moved to Illinois.
>>
>>Can anybody tell me how I can get more information on this bond and also
>>what type of information would be included in this document? I'm still
>>trying to make the next connection that helps link up the four of us that
>>have found we have a DNA match.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>