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I live in Indiana, but had never heard of Springfield. However, a look at my
current map shows that Springfield is in the southwest corner of Indiana.
Hope this doesn't complicate matters further.
Nancy Lynn
Hi, me again,
I have a Moses Coates Abner. According to the book by
Truman Coates he was born 1768 & died 17 Oct 1820 in
Springfield Indiana [does he mean Ohio?] married
Margaret TUSSY.
From Bradford MM records:
18 Nov 1786 Abner Coates, minor, cert. from Goshen.
14 Aug 1792 Abner Coates complained of for marrying out
and one not a member. disowned 15 Mar 1792
(Caln MM).
Could he have wandered down to NC for a little while?
- Ed Sinker
Hi,
Do you have any information for Celia Hind's family? My Lewis Coat(e)s b.
Virginia married Parthena Hinds. First found on the 1830 and 1840 Grainger
Co., census' in Tennessee, then Lewis is found in the 1850 Daviess County
Kentucky census in the house with oldest son James without Parthena.
I wonder if these all could be connected in some way? Maybe brothers and
sisters?
Gup
At 01:57 PM 1/31/2003, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:19:04 -0500
>From: "C. Thomas Hesler" <hesler(a)bellsouth.net>
>
>Subject: [COATES-L] Elisha Coats
>
>Hello Gang,
>
>While you are talking all these different lines, keep your eyes open for my
>elusive Elisha Coats. He was, supposedly, born in Virginia, married twice,
>first wife Unknown, second Celia (Furr) Hinds.
I notice there is a lot of N.C., S.C., N.J. and Pennsylvania Coatses but very few Tennessee Coatses. My great grandfather, James McKenzie Coats , was supposedly from Henry County, Tennessee. He was married three times. First, to an Elizabeth Martin; second, to a Malinda Brady, and third, to Annie Spears. He had children from all three wives. My grandfather, William McKenzie Coats, was the oldest son of James and Annie. I would like to take the DNA test, but unfortunately, a very limited income prohibits it. I will follow the results of the test closely, and hopefully some new cousins will pop up. Cheers.
Jim Coats
Hello Gang,
While you are talking all these different lines, keep your eyes open for my
elusive Elisha Coats. He was, supposedly, born in Virginia, married twice,
first wife Unknown, second Celia (Furr) Hinds.
He had four known children Balis (b.17Aug1798), Delilah (b.c1800) these are
by first marriage and born in Loudoun Co., Virginia. Joseph (b.28Dec1802),
Agnes (b.9Jul1805) also born in Loudoun Co., Virginia these are children of
Elisha and Celia (Furr). Moved to Garrard Co., Kentucky shortly after the
birth of Agnes. Celia Coats appears in the 1810 Garrard Census. The family
remained in Kentucky until about 1826.
Delilah married John Burton in Garrard Co. 4 Dec 1818, Agnes married
William Cook 29 Nov 1819, Balis married Margaret Higbee, probably in
Kentucky their first child was born in Kentucky. Joseph did not marry until
the family reached Fountain Co., Indiana.
Balis and Delilah were in Henry Co., Indiana while Joseph and Agnes went
with their mother to Fountain Co.
Joseph married Serena Delia White in Fountain Co. 24 Dec 1829. Joseph had
one child, a son, William Bolivar Coats, who married Elizabeth Martha
Lucas. Bolivar had nine children, sons, Joseph Lucas, Charles Pitt, Elmer
Elsworth, Frank Whitney and daughters, Emma Selina, Mary Edna, Serena
Eudora, Anna Lauretta and Hazel.
My grandmother was the daughter of Charles Pitt and Sarah Olive (Campbell)
Coats. Sorry, I don't qualify for the DNA study.
Regards,
Tom Hesler
Could have been, but I don't know...anyone from Big's line on here to know?
Char
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Larry Coats" <larcoa(a)aspermont.esc14.net>
To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [COATES-L] COATES and WRIGHT families
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:06:35 -0600
Thanks, Charlotte; of course, it could be that my mysterious Mr. Wright the
Hymn Composer simply latched on to Big John and wife Rachel and assumed that
they must be related. Was the information on Big John and wife Rachel
published, by chance, c. 1900-20?
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Coats" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
To: <larcoa(a)aspermont.esc14.net>; <COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [COATES-L] COATES and WRIGHT families
> Not sure I recall all this correctly however, it seems Big John Coats
> married Rachel Wright, they had at least one son named Wright Coats - so
> that's connection in South Carolina...late 1700s...
>
> Char
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Larry Coats" <larcoa(a)aspermont.esc14.net>
> To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [COATES-L] COATES and WRIGHT families
> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:37:23 -0600
>
> Before I quit for today, I thought I would throw out something that I've
had
> stored in my head for years but could do nothing with:
>
> Back around 1966, my grandmother Coats told me what little she knew(or
> thought she knew)about the family.
> For starters, she said that a Mr. Wright(who had been at least locally
> famous for writing hymns and such)took it upon himself(prob. around
> 1900-20)to work up our Coats family tree; he did this because he claimed
> "our" Coats family was related to his Wrights, but my grandmother could
not
> say how.
> Anyway, this Mr. Wright allegedly did a lot of research(now lost...it
> figures)and determined that "our" Coats ancestors had lived in
Philadelphia
> for a time. This info came to me well before I knew anything about Sion
or
> Wm Coats in Rowan Co. NC.
> I looked around for years trying to make some sense out of this anemic
oral
> tradition but could find nothing. So, finally I just dismissed the whole
> thing as worthless.
> As it turns out, this Mr. Wright apparently(per my grandmother)eventually
> went mostly or completely insane, the discovery of which made me even
less
> enthused about his assertions.<g>
>
> If there is a grain of truth in what this fellow claimed, I really can't
> say.....maybe there is. Maybe I just didn't look far enough back.
However,
> IF there were Wright families associated with certain Coats lines in NJ
or
> PA(or even NC), I thought that perhaps someone on the list would be able
to
> redirect me to specific names/dates/places so I could re-evaluate some
> things.
> Good night and regards to all,
> Larry
>
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This is what I have in the archive on this William - the theory it is
William Coats m Mary of Charleston - isn't on this page but it is a
plausible theory...however, I notice Marmaduke is a purchaser at the
sale...so that could indicate a ty in more with the other Coats of the Bush
River area than the Charleston area?? So of the info might be outdated by
now i.e. we know that it was Rev William Coats son that was in MO m to Mary
(Polly) Callaway Coats, not Rev Will's brother. Well, as I look over the
records in SC, there are three Williams that died there, here is one:
http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/docsnewberry.htm
wcw1804.pdf
2wmadm.pdf William Coate, 1804, Will, wife Mary Newberry Wills Bk G p. 94;
Linda Coate Dudick
Another:
http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/fgbyand.html
William Coate, 1766- time period 1766-1800: At present these are the only
known records for him, survey of 1766, wmccsc.pdf, wmcnance1813.pdf,
portion of land, 2wc1766.pdf sold in 1800 but there is a deed missing in
the chain of title, another deed d1766nbs.pdf likewise sold in 1807.
These are sales by subsequent owners after William however. There is also
another record between 1806 and 1821 to a Bulow, that I was not able to find
in the Newberry Deed records. I believe this is the will of this William,
wm1832.pdf; wwmbup.pdf. This will provides the missing link with the
subsequent deeds in that it shows that William did deed part of the land to
his children and he may have sold the other portions prior to his death,
retaining that portion of his land where he was living and eventually where
his son John was living in 1816. Possible dob and dod for William, if he was
20 years old when he married but had children in 1766, his possible birth
date would be 1743 plus or minus a couple of years, so he died when he was
about 78 years of age. This means his children were quite elderly as
well, which means that William must have had land in SC in 1822.
Linda Coate-Dudick believes this maybe the son of the original William who
got the plat in 1766. If that is the case it maybe that there are no
records of that will or no administration if there was no will. But
something happened in 1800 when parts of this land were beginning to be
sold. Either William the son sold part of it prior to his death or the
original William died in 1800 and his heirs were dividing and sold portions
of their inheritance.
William Coate family grouping - time period 1766 - 1822
Wife: Mary - all proven by will
Children: John Coate - ca 1765 - 57 in 1822 ???
William - ca 1767
Rueben Coate
Jesse Coate
Sarah Coate
Margaret Coate
Anna Coate
Dorothy Coate
The connection is made from the adjoining land owner Golden, and who I
believe Motes may have spelled as Gilder in their maps. William in his
will, in 1816, gives his son John a part of his plantation, on which John
was already living and it appears that he had just moved there within a
short time of William making out his will. He also wills the remainder of
his plantation to his wife Mary and when she dies or remarries he wills it
to his three younger sons William, Jesse and Reuben. William's will is
probated in January of 1823, so he probably died sometime in 1822, however,
that could have been earlier depending on how long it took to get his estate
in to probate. So a possible death date could be anywhere between 1820 and
1822, allowing for less congested courts in those days probably sometime in
1822. Also witnessing this will is John Kelly, Jonathan or Nathaniel
Galbreath and Allen Richardson, Galbreath was one of the names on other
deeds associated with this land as well. Willing his land in 1822 could also
mean the deeds for the land when sold would be much later. I did not check
the deeds after 1840 and although there were some 1830 deeds in the records
I checked it may not be all of them. It also appears the majority of his
kids were still in SC, except Jesse and Rueben, Sarah and Anna I don't
believe were named in the estate sale either.
Purchasers at the estate sale include Mary his wife, Marmaduke, John,
William, Margaret, Dorothy indicating that at least these four known
children John, William, Margaret and Dorothy were still in SC in 1823.
However, other researchers believe that he was elderly when he moved here,
died without a will and gifted his land to his children, but no record of
that can be found, nor is there any indication that other known Coats in the
area lived or sold land in this area.
In this will also is an interesting development in that Marmaduke becomes
the administrator with the will annexed, superceding apparently both Mary
and Joseph Coppock named in the Will as executors. Now it might be that
both Mary and Joseph were quite elderly or it could mean that there was a
dispute over this estate, Marmaduke or someone contested the executors and
Marmaduke took it over. The old Coats genealogy shows William with a son
named Marmaduke. It was thought that the only Coats remaining in this area
around 1823 was the children of Little John Coats. However, we know that
to some degree that Little John's son William went to AL long before this
time and that the only Marmaduke known was Little John's son, Marmaduke, who
was also the surveyor in Newberry. If this Marmaduke is not Little John's
son, then there must be another Marmaduke in the area as well. This
Marmaduke could be a son, if Mary was William's second wife. Now as we have
seen in other records it is quite possible that there were second marriages
when the first wife dies or when the first husband dies. Subsequent
marriages were not at all uncommon during this time period. This then could
mean that Marmaduke had been a son by a prior wife of William.
Little John also had brothers William and Marmaduke, so this Marmaduke could
have been the brother of William and they are both the brother of Little
John.
This is not the William Cole land, his deed states he acquired his land from
John Cole, sr. So his land couldn't be the lost William Coate and Rachel
Ann Budd under the name of Cole.
I don't think this is the land that Gentleman John deeded to his sons, since
that land was a purchase from a prior owner not a Coats, Christina or
Christian Kesler or Kinder or Kindler.
I also find it interesting that the name Anna comes down in Rev William
Coats' children, but the son of this William was still in Newberry in 1823
long after Rev William Coats had land or is found in the Baptist Church
Records in Smith County TN in 1802; see Rev William Coats in TN, a case
study; also there is no James in this family and it is believed that Rev
William had a brother named James. ( we know now that Rev William Coats' son
James Coats, came to MO with them in 1817 - so there is no idication that
Rev William has a brother named James)
The third:
http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/docs2nby.html
8wmcotew.pdf William Coate, 1830, will Newberry Will Bk L p. 541
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Linda J. Coate" <lcoate(a)ancestrees.com>
To: "Charlotte Coats" <coats(a)hotmail.com>, COATES-L(a)Rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [COATES-L] COATS/COATES/COATE DNA testing
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:37:12 -0500
hmmmm. Let's follow this William a bit then. Could you share his will so
I know whom you are talking about?
At 03:59 PM 1/30/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>We don't have any documentation showing there was any other William on the
>Bush River than the one with the will...I think that will ties him to that
>land...there isn't any indication anyone other than he owned the land...but
>that could be clarified with deeds further down if the land is sold...
>
>Char
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Linda J. Coate" <lcoate(a)ancestrees.com>
>To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: RE: [COATES-L] COATS/COATES/COATE DNA testing
>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:11:52 -0500
>
>The William on Bush River disappears from the records early in the 1760s.
>We don't have a will for him or a proven wife or children, though many 2nd
>hand sources have said that it's Rachel Ann Budd, with a lot of children
>that aren't supported by the records in Newberry.
>
>At 04:18 PM 1/29/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>This Thomas Coats of Glasgow, comes from Neva's book and it's not
>>reliable...I saw her research and it's a theory connection...this is how
>>she had connected Rev William Coats...
>>
>>The William Coats we do have in that are I think was the one married to
>>the Sanborn or Seaborn, Mary I think was her first name...all her family
>>was given in those old Charleston records...
>>
>>Well, that's interesting...didn't we have a William married to a Mary with
>>a Will in Newberry County...Linda, I'm thinking this is the one with the
>>land on Bush River...
>>
>>Who gave me this enquiring mind anyway!!!
>>
>>Char
>>
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: "John Coates" <John(a)Coates.net>
>>To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>Subject: RE: [COATES-L] COATS/COATES/COATE DNA testing
>>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:01:04 -0800
>>
>>I forgot about the Charleston, SC connection. If I recall correctly, we
>>have
>>a William or two there at about the same time. The DNA testing will be
>>worth
>>it even if it only serves to eliminate one or more of the possibilities.
>>John
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Larry Coats [mailto:larcoa@aspermont.esc14.net]
>>Everything John has said is absolutely true regarding the Great Wagon
>>Road.
>>And to round out the picture, there was a smaller, but still heavily
>>traveled route that started in Charleston SC and went in a northwesterly
>>direction into the SC and NC backcountry, intersecting the Great Wagon
>>Road
>>not far from Salisbury, NC(again, if my memory serves me right).
>>Larry
>>
>>
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Hi Edward,
Think you are referring to General Sir Charles Coote, who, I think was in NI
for a good while and(if memory doesn't fail me here)settled there?
I've seen the Coote name before; and while you are adding to the confusion,
I thought I would add that there is also a CUTTS family connected with
London(somehow I think someone by this name was a Lord Mayor of London back
in the 17th or 18th Century).
The variations on this name can drive one to drink!<g>
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Sinker" <e.sinker(a)btinternet.com>
To: <COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Couts/Coots/Coats in Guilford Co. NC
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've been following the DNA messages. I'm a descendent of
> the Moses Coates lot from Chester Co., Pa. who arrived from
> Ireland in 1717. I'll be interested to see the results of those
> DNA tests. I can't afford to do it myself but then I am positive
> that I am a descendent of his unless someone cheated at
> some time.
>
> Anyway, the reason I am writing is to say that there is a
> COOTE list although it is rather inactive. I am subscribed to
> it because I connect to a Coote line from Cambridgeshire
> here in England. There are Cootes in Scotland and in Ireland.
> The Irish branch has a famous British General back in the
> 17th century, I think it is. So just be aware that a Coot(s)
> might also belong to this particular line which at the moment
> appears not to be related to Coat(e)s.
>
> Just thought that I would mention that in order to make things
> more complicated than they already are.
> - Edward Coates Sinker now living in Herefordshire, UK
>
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Hello all,
I think, John, that this is one that I have to kick into your court.
In all of our correspondence, I don't remember us talking about this Abner Coats, who appears as bondsman for the marriage of Wm Willis to Cecily Coats in 1810 Rowan.
I know that I have never found the name Abner in LCT with the rest of William's family, so am wondering just how to account for him. Any ideas?
Larry
Thanks, Charlotte; of course, it could be that my mysterious Mr. Wright the
Hymn Composer simply latched on to Big John and wife Rachel and assumed that
they must be related. Was the information on Big John and wife Rachel
published, by chance, c. 1900-20?
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Coats" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
To: <larcoa(a)aspermont.esc14.net>; <COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [COATES-L] COATES and WRIGHT families
> Not sure I recall all this correctly however, it seems Big John Coats
> married Rachel Wright, they had at least one son named Wright Coats - so
> that's connection in South Carolina...late 1700s...
>
> Char
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Larry Coats" <larcoa(a)aspermont.esc14.net>
> To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [COATES-L] COATES and WRIGHT families
> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:37:23 -0600
>
> Before I quit for today, I thought I would throw out something that I've
had
> stored in my head for years but could do nothing with:
>
> Back around 1966, my grandmother Coats told me what little she knew(or
> thought she knew)about the family.
> For starters, she said that a Mr. Wright(who had been at least locally
> famous for writing hymns and such)took it upon himself(prob. around
> 1900-20)to work up our Coats family tree; he did this because he claimed
> "our" Coats family was related to his Wrights, but my grandmother could
not
> say how.
> Anyway, this Mr. Wright allegedly did a lot of research(now lost...it
> figures)and determined that "our" Coats ancestors had lived in
Philadelphia
> for a time. This info came to me well before I knew anything about Sion or
> Wm Coats in Rowan Co. NC.
> I looked around for years trying to make some sense out of this anemic
oral
> tradition but could find nothing. So, finally I just dismissed the whole
> thing as worthless.
> As it turns out, this Mr. Wright apparently(per my grandmother)eventually
> went mostly or completely insane, the discovery of which made me even less
> enthused about his assertions.<g>
>
> If there is a grain of truth in what this fellow claimed, I really can't
> say.....maybe there is. Maybe I just didn't look far enough back.
However,
> IF there were Wright families associated with certain Coats lines in NJ or
> PA(or even NC), I thought that perhaps someone on the list would be able
to
> redirect me to specific names/dates/places so I could re-evaluate some
> things.
> Good night and regards to all,
> Larry
>
>
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I don't recall coming up with anything more than this. However, this does
strongly suggest a connection to the Potts Creek group.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Coats [mailto:larcoa@aspermont.esc14.net]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 6:19 AM
To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [COATES-L] re: Abner COATS, Rowan Co. NC
Hello all,
I think, John, that this is one that I have to kick into your court.
In all of our correspondence, I don't remember us talking about this Abner
Coats, who appears as bondsman for the marriage of Wm Willis to Cecily Coats
in 1810 Rowan.
I know that I have never found the name Abner in LCT with the rest of
William's family, so am wondering just how to account for him. Any ideas?
Larry
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hmmmm. Let's follow this William a bit then. Could you share his will so
I know whom you are talking about?
At 03:59 PM 1/30/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>We don't have any documentation showing there was any other William on the
>Bush River than the one with the will...I think that will ties him to that
>land...there isn't any indication anyone other than he owned the
>land...but that could be clarified with deeds further down if the land is
>sold...
>
>Char
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Linda J. Coate" <lcoate(a)ancestrees.com>
>To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: RE: [COATES-L] COATS/COATES/COATE DNA testing
>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:11:52 -0500
>
>The William on Bush River disappears from the records early in the 1760s.
>We don't have a will for him or a proven wife or children, though many 2nd
>hand sources have said that it's Rachel Ann Budd, with a lot of children
>that aren't supported by the records in Newberry.
>
>At 04:18 PM 1/29/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>This Thomas Coats of Glasgow, comes from Neva's book and it's not
>>reliable...I saw her research and it's a theory connection...this is how
>>she had connected Rev William Coats...
>>
>>The William Coats we do have in that are I think was the one married to
>>the Sanborn or Seaborn, Mary I think was her first name...all her family
>>was given in those old Charleston records...
>>
>>Well, that's interesting...didn't we have a William married to a Mary
>>with a Will in Newberry County...Linda, I'm thinking this is the one with
>>the land on Bush River...
>>
>>Who gave me this enquiring mind anyway!!!
>>
>>Char
>>
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: "John Coates" <John(a)Coates.net>
>>To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>Subject: RE: [COATES-L] COATS/COATES/COATE DNA testing
>>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:01:04 -0800
>>
>>I forgot about the Charleston, SC connection. If I recall correctly, we have
>>a William or two there at about the same time. The DNA testing will be worth
>>it even if it only serves to eliminate one or more of the possibilities.
>>John
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Larry Coats [mailto:larcoa@aspermont.esc14.net]
>>Everything John has said is absolutely true regarding the Great Wagon Road.
>>And to round out the picture, there was a smaller, but still heavily
>>traveled route that started in Charleston SC and went in a northwesterly
>>direction into the SC and NC backcountry, intersecting the Great Wagon Road
>>not far from Salisbury, NC(again, if my memory serves me right).
>>Larry
>>
>>
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Before I quit for today, I thought I would throw out something that I've had stored in my head for years but could do nothing with:
Back around 1966, my grandmother Coats told me what little she knew(or thought she knew)about the family.
For starters, she said that a Mr. Wright(who had been at least locally famous for writing hymns and such)took it upon himself(prob. around 1900-20)to work up our Coats family tree; he did this because he claimed "our" Coats family was related to his Wrights, but my grandmother could not say how.
Anyway, this Mr. Wright allegedly did a lot of research(now lost...it figures)and determined that "our" Coats ancestors had lived in Philadelphia for a time. This info came to me well before I knew anything about Sion or Wm Coats in Rowan Co. NC.
I looked around for years trying to make some sense out of this anemic oral tradition but could find nothing. So, finally I just dismissed the whole thing as worthless.
As it turns out, this Mr. Wright apparently(per my grandmother)eventually went mostly or completely insane, the discovery of which made me even less enthused about his assertions.<g>
If there is a grain of truth in what this fellow claimed, I really can't say.....maybe there is. Maybe I just didn't look far enough back. However, IF there were Wright families associated with certain Coats lines in NJ or PA(or even NC), I thought that perhaps someone on the list would be able to redirect me to specific names/dates/places so I could re-evaluate some things.
Good night and regards to all,
Larry
I think these Coates are out of Moses Coates group in Chester County PA:
This is from Spraker on the Boone family:
4 mo 3 1800: Coates: Samuel, son of Thomas and Sarah, dec'd of E. Caln
Chester County PA and Hannah Boone, dau. of Samuel and Margaret Lee of
Exeter tp. Berks Co. At Exeter M. Wits. Samuel and Margaret Lee, Warreck
Coates, William Chevington and 33 others
3 mo 2, 1809: Coates: Samuel jr. of East Caln tp. Chester Co., son of Samuel
and "Abigail, dec'd" and Margaret Chevington, dau. of Thomas and Rachel of
Exeter tp. Berks Co. At Exeter M. Wits. Thomas, Rachel, John, and William
Chevington, Thomas, Levi, George and Caleb Coates and 38 others...
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Anyone have any idea as to the dates associated with the following summary?:
"William Coate was disowned by the Quaker Church in Phil. MM. There is a bunch of Coats who were Baptist in South Carolina that could be his descendants. They include--William, Mary, Mary, Rebekka, James, Henry, and Thomas."
This comes, I believe from Linda's very exhaustive and very useful compilation of the various known Wm Coate(s) that were running around during the colonial period. I must say that I am very much obliged to her for compiling this info back in 97; it does help the sorting process on some of these Williams.
However, if I could get a date for that "disownment"(if that is the right word)or some of the birthdates for those descendants, I might be able to re-evaluate some of my information and make some new conjectures. Some of those names look invitingly familiar.
Then again, perhaps this Wm has already been tracked down and placed, and I just missed it on the list? Anyway, if Linda or anyone else can advise on this item, I would appreciate it.
Larry
Thanks, John. So, a Coats/Coots,etc., from Ireland, and a Presbyterian to
boot. Interesting. This line appears to be quite distinct from all of the
others but it is not clear exactly what route brought them to NC. Might
have landed in VA, MD,DE, or PA.
Any idea where he settled in TN after selling his lands in NC?
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Coates" <John(a)coates.net>
To: <COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 4:47 PM
Subject: RE: [COATES-L] Couts/Coots/Coats in Guilford Co. NC
> Larry,
> We were able to make some headway with this group. Here is some info we
> turned up a few years back.
>
> The following is from _The History of Buffalo Presbyterian Church And Her
> People_.
> "James COOTS was born in Ireland; came to and located for a short while in
> Halifax County, VA., then came to NC about 1763 and located on the Reedy
> Fork. He married first Sarah, daughter of James MCQUISTION, and second a
> daughter of John McLINTLOCK. His children were Jennie, Louvenia, Vertie,
and
> another daughter James SPENCE. Jennie married Alfred DILLION; Louvenia
> married Leven AYDELOTTE. Vertie died unmarried.
> John COOTS, a brother of James came with him and located on the Reedy Fork
> in 1763. He married Mary MCQUISTION, daughter of Robert McQustion, in
1769.
> He must have been married before this, for his daughter Hannah married
> Jeremiah CUNNINGHAM in 1779. After the death of his 2nd wife, he married
> Hannah, daughter of John HAMILTON. In 1778 Samuel and Thomas THOMPSON and
> John COOTS secured tittle to 4,260 a land in TN, and he sold his farm here
> and moved to TN." In the same book is a 1979 church list that contains
the
> names James Coots and Mrs. Mary Coots. There is also a reference to a
James
> Coots serving as Sheriff from the Buffalo area 1793-94.
>
> John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Coats [mailto:larcoa@aspermont.esc14.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:42 PM
> To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [COATES-L] Couts/Coots/Coats in Guilford Co. NC
>
> Charlotte,
> Since we are apparently involved now in completely re-examining all of
this
> Coats data(in anticipation of the dna test results), and since we have
> started turning over both new and old "rocks", I was wondering if anyone
had
> had any luck with those Couts/Coats who were in Guilford Co. NC in the
late
> 18th Century(think one was named James).
>
> My last impression was that no one had been able to place them in any of
the
> other known groupings; does anyone on the list have a proven connection to
> this James? If so, this line would be an excellent candidate for the
test.
> Larry
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For one thing, the passage of time gave us all the original land and will
documents you put up on your site! They simply hadn't been followed and
studied as a group. Combining those with census records gave us several
big breaks about 3 years ago, where the patterns became much clearer for
some family lines. Your info simply kept supporting what I had become
convinced was the truth a few years earlier. Somewhere along the line, I
finally was taught by professional genealogists at one of the conventions I
attended that when a first hand document doesn't specifically state that
your ancestor is the son of so and so, a strong case can be built
from circumstantial evidence in first hand records. That is the case
with Marmaduke. There is no evidence that he was the son of William and
Rachel Ann Budd, and there is all kinds of evidence that he is the son of
Henry. It states just that specifically in Quaker records and he moves
south at near times and in near places to father Henry and his other sons
from NJ. Furthermore, there is only evidence of one Marmaduke in NJ, NC,
and SC records of his era. Your records were a fanstastic help.... just
as I expect these DNA tests to be. I don't expect them to prove the
ancestors, but to help us break our Coats into correct families and that's
a BIG help. Thanks so much for getting this started.
At 04:06 PM 1/30/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>But also over looked is the fact that William Coats on Kings Creek had a
>son named Wilson...that could indicate a tie in with that group as well...
>
>So I think both Parks and the Old Coats genealogy leave a great deal to be
>desired...
>
>Not to mention neither even discusses the other Coats in the area and how
>they may connect...Charles, Notley to name a few...
>
>The passage of time doesn't make the documenation any better...what else
>is there?
>
>Char
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Linda J. Coate" <lcoate(a)ancestrees.com>
>To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Fwd: Re: [COATES-L] COATS/COATES/COATE DNA testing
>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:33:54 -0500
>
>Really, a consensus has been developing on this Marmaduke line in the last
>8 years or so that he is the son of Henry and Esther. Park's book was
>only theory. We have a LOT more information since then all pointing to
>Henry and Esther being Marmaduke's son. The DNA tests might finally be
>able to put this issue to rest.
>
>
>>Yes, still a little controversy, but the big picture and a lot of detail
>>from a lot of sides make it a good solid judgement that he is the son of
>>Henry Coate and Esther Willson.
>>At 03:12 PM 1/30/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>>Linda...I think your Marmaduke line has a controversy in it as well...
>>>
>>>Marmaduke Coate as a descendant of Samuel Coate and Mary
>>>Saunders...there are other connections that could be made for him as well...
>>>
>>>I know we have found a document showing there was no William Coats m
>>>Rachel Ann Budd...but that family is still not completely documented as
>>>far as I'm concerned...the Old Coats genealogy as far as we know, had no
>>>sources or references as to where the info came from...
>>>
>>>Parks merely set forth another theory...and he certainly didn't have all
>>>the documentation we have at present...
>>>
>>>So when I think of documented lines, I'm thinking Moses Coats out of
>>>Chester County PA, Robert Coats, out of Lynn MA and Thomas Coates m
>>>Buelah Jacque...
>>>
>>>We have too many missing pieces in SC and PA or NJ for that matter to
>>>close the door on other possiblities in SC etc...
>>>
>>>Char
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----Original Message Follows----
>>>From: "Linda J. Coate" <lcoate(a)ancestrees.com>
>>>To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>>Subject: Re: [COATES-L] COATS/COATES/COATE DNA testing
>>>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:52:37 -0500
>>>
>>>We have a couple good lines back to NJ, one of them being my Marmaduke
>>>Coate to help.
>>>
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Not sure I recall all this correctly however, it seems Big John Coats
married Rachel Wright, they had at least one son named Wright Coats - so
that's connection in South Carolina...late 1700s...
Char
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Larry Coats" <larcoa(a)aspermont.esc14.net>
To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [COATES-L] COATES and WRIGHT families
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:37:23 -0600
Before I quit for today, I thought I would throw out something that I've had
stored in my head for years but could do nothing with:
Back around 1966, my grandmother Coats told me what little she knew(or
thought she knew)about the family.
For starters, she said that a Mr. Wright(who had been at least locally
famous for writing hymns and such)took it upon himself(prob. around
1900-20)to work up our Coats family tree; he did this because he claimed
"our" Coats family was related to his Wrights, but my grandmother could not
say how.
Anyway, this Mr. Wright allegedly did a lot of research(now lost...it
figures)and determined that "our" Coats ancestors had lived in Philadelphia
for a time. This info came to me well before I knew anything about Sion or
Wm Coats in Rowan Co. NC.
I looked around for years trying to make some sense out of this anemic oral
tradition but could find nothing. So, finally I just dismissed the whole
thing as worthless.
As it turns out, this Mr. Wright apparently(per my grandmother)eventually
went mostly or completely insane, the discovery of which made me even less
enthused about his assertions.<g>
If there is a grain of truth in what this fellow claimed, I really can't
say.....maybe there is. Maybe I just didn't look far enough back. However,
IF there were Wright families associated with certain Coats lines in NJ or
PA(or even NC), I thought that perhaps someone on the list would be able to
redirect me to specific names/dates/places so I could re-evaluate some
things.
Good night and regards to all,
Larry
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I'm not sure we have all of the Phil.MM info but John's book as info in it
about some of the Phil MM Coates:
http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/coatsbk.htm
John E. Coates, Sr.: Coate, Coates, Coats - this is also Gentleman John
Coats of SC
address: 900 Brotherhood Rd. Unit C-1, Beaufort, S.C. 29902
Cost $15.00 plus $3.00 shipping
Again just theory to date of this connection with Gentleman John Coats of
SC....
Char
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Larry Coats" <larcoa(a)aspermont.esc14.net>
To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [COATES-L] re: William COATE(S) of Phil. MM
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:59:40 -0600
Anyone have any idea as to the dates associated with the following summary?:
"William Coate was disowned by the Quaker Church in Phil. MM. There is a
bunch of Coats who were Baptist in South Carolina that could be his
descendants. They include--William, Mary, Mary, Rebekka, James, Henry, and
Thomas."
This comes, I believe from Linda's very exhaustive and very useful
compilation of the various known Wm Coate(s) that were running around during
the colonial period. I must say that I am very much obliged to her for
compiling this info back in 97; it does help the sorting process on some of
these Williams.
However, if I could get a date for that "disownment"(if that is the right
word)or some of the birthdates for those descendants, I might be able to
re-evaluate some of my information and make some new conjectures. Some of
those names look invitingly familiar.
Then again, perhaps this Wm has already been tracked down and placed, and I
just missed it on the list? Anyway, if Linda or anyone else can advise on
this item, I would appreciate it.
Larry
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Really, a consensus has been developing on this Marmaduke line in the last
8 years or so that he is the son of Henry and Esther. Park's book was
only theory. We have a LOT more information since then all pointing to
Henry and Esther being Marmaduke's son. The DNA tests might finally be
able to put this issue to rest.
>Yes, still a little controversy, but the big picture and a lot of detail
>from a lot of sides make it a good solid judgement that he is the son of
>Henry Coate and Esther Willson.
>At 03:12 PM 1/30/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>Linda...I think your Marmaduke line has a controversy in it as well...
>>
>>Marmaduke Coate as a descendant of Samuel Coate and Mary Saunders...there
>>are other connections that could be made for him as well...
>>
>>I know we have found a document showing there was no William Coats m
>>Rachel Ann Budd...but that family is still not completely documented as
>>far as I'm concerned...the Old Coats genealogy as far as we know, had no
>>sources or references as to where the info came from...
>>
>>Parks merely set forth another theory...and he certainly didn't have all
>>the documentation we have at present...
>>
>>So when I think of documented lines, I'm thinking Moses Coats out of
>>Chester County PA, Robert Coats, out of Lynn MA and Thomas Coates m
>>Buelah Jacque...
>>
>>We have too many missing pieces in SC and PA or NJ for that matter to
>>close the door on other possiblities in SC etc...
>>
>>Char
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: "Linda J. Coate" <lcoate(a)ancestrees.com>
>>To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>Subject: Re: [COATES-L] COATS/COATES/COATE DNA testing
>>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:52:37 -0500
>>
>>We have a couple good lines back to NJ, one of them being my Marmaduke
>>Coate to help.
>>At 02:30 PM 1/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>>Oh yes, I've not forgotten that; but my hope is that there is at least one
>>>or two lines that are well documented enough to make the DNA comparison as
>>>useful as possible. The MRCA might then at least be narrowed down, with
>>>non-contenders eliminated.
>>>Larry
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Charlotte Coats" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
>>>To: <larcoa(a)aspermont.esc14.net>; <COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:04 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [COATES-L] COATS/COATES/COATE DNA testing
>>>
>>>
>>> > Well, we need to remember this is going to tell us who cousins are, not
>>>who
>>> > our upline is...<g>...
>>> >
>>> > I don't think anyone has a completely documented line up to NJ...the
>>>problem
>>> > with the old Coats genealogy was: it had no source info...not to mention
>>> > that the Rachel Ann Budd we have found in the old records apparently was
>>> > married to a Bradshaw or Bradford...I also think some of these had more
>>>than
>>> > one wife...with Indians and child birth, the life span in some cases was
>>>cut
>>> > pretty short...
>>> >
>>> > There could also be two William Coats out of NC...
>>> >
>>> > I also think VA has been heavily overlooked when it comes to documenting
>>>the
>>> > Coats'
>>> >
>>> > We've come a long way, from what the old research has done...
>>> >
>>> > Remeber we're just compiling info for the next generations...<g>...
>>> >
>>> > And I agree the DNA portion will be interesting...
>>> >
>>> > Char
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----Original Message Follows----
>>> > From: "Larry Coats" <larcoa(a)aspermont.esc14.net>
>>> > To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>> > Subject: [COATES-L] COATS/COATES/COATE DNA testing
>>> > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:24:29 -0600
>>> >
>>> > Just wanted to add that like everyone else, once we get enough of the
>>> > different Coats lines tested, while not all of us will have our various
>>> > "theories" validated, at least we will all have some sort of closure and
>>> > won't have to drive ourselves crazy looking for what isn't there.
>>> > Genealogical peace of mind is what I call this.
>>> >
>>> > I know that the Hunterdon Co. NJ theory( which conjectures that Wm Coats
>>>of
>>> > Rowan was either from NJ or had a father who was born there)has its good
>>> > points, and it may well turn out to be the truth. If so, I will be
>>> one of
>>> > the happiest people on the list as at least I will have finally resolved
>>>35
>>> > years of not knowing.
>>> >
>>> > On the other hand, what keeps me from buying into the Hunterdon Co. NJ
>>> > theory completely has to do with all of these Sions that are found in SC,
>>> > with "my" Sion Coats being the only one to be in Rowan Co. NC. While
>>> name
>>> > similarities may not be definitive evidence in most/many cases, with a
>>>first
>>> > name like "Sion", I can't help but feel that Sion Coats of Rowan must, in
>>> > some way, be connected to Sion of Kershaw. If that is the case, then how
>>> > does one reconcile the Hunterdon Co. NJ>Rowan Co NC theory with all of of
>>> > the SC Sions, some of which were in Craven Co. SC, Camden and Kershaw
>>> > ranging from 1772 to 1779? That, I guess, is the crux of my dilemma.
>>> >
>>> > Perhaps I am just not seeing something that is obvious; if so, I would
>>> > appreciate someone bringing it to my attention. Again, while my
>>>particular
>>> > line of Coatses are notorious for being singularly stubborn, I am more
>>>than
>>> > willing to accede to reason and facts.
>>> > Anyway, when the tests come back, I will be happy, regardless of the
>>> > outcome.
>>> > Regards to all,
>>> > Larry
>>> >
>>> > I
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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