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The following transcription is in reply to a request made on the PICKLES message board:
>From "Who's Who in Kern County, 1939" (pub by Wilson & Peterson, 1940)
COATS, Robert S. Parents, Robert S. and Helen (Frye) Coats. Born, Bakersfield, Calif., Aug. 26, 1913. Married, Winafred Pickles, April 6, 1935. Son: Robert Gordon Wesley. Educated, Bakersfield public schools, Kern County Union High School, and Junior College, Santa Barbara State College. Occupation: Co-Partner, Kern Printing Co. In 1912 the Coats Printing Co., was established in Bakersfield and in 1934 this became the Kern Printing Company. Member: 20-30 Club, of which he has been sergeant at arms, district representative and Director for two terms; Optimist Club; Elks No. 266. Recreations: Archery, hunting, fishing. address: Business, 2020 Eye street, 'phone 338; residence, 146 Ray street, Bakersfield, Calif.
I am not related to this family and have no other information about them. I'm just making the most of a $2.00 buy on eBay... If this helps you, please "pay it forward" by helping another researcher.
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http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills01/member01/mem020.htm
Well, apparently the commissioners don't have emails, so I'll try first to give them a call, probably have to send a letter...however, I found the state rep and she lives in Fulton, Callaway County, MO...not sure she can help...but maybe help pass some better laws...but she has an email, so I'll figure something out...<g>...
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Well, I'm going to send them an email and see what happens...however, I have a copy of the original Callaway County MO plats coming...should be here any day...so I might wait and see what that looks like first...I'd say we'd need to know where the cemeteries are or the graves...
Hmmm, I might just make contact to see if they have such a fund and if not if it would be possible to set one up...
Will let you all know...
Char
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne & Sharon Johnson
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:23 PM
To: Charlotte Coats
Cc: Betty Brooks; Fulton Sun
Subject: Fw: Fulton Sun Article
Monday, January 28, 2002
Dear Charlotte,
I am responding to your e-mail regarding contacts at the county court house requesting cemetery maintenance assistance. Your e-mail was forwarded to me by the Fulton Sun Gazette since I was currently dealing with this issue.
You need to check out the following URL: http://callaway.county.missouri.org/Courthouse.html , which will give you the names of the county commissioners and the address at the Callaway County Court House. I think that any of the three commissioners can help you in this matter. I'm not really sure how much assistance you will get there, the county is not really in the business of maintaining these small family cemeteries. They have no funding for it and the unresolved issues of ownership of the land on which the cemetery resides, which is unclear in Missouri law, complicates the issue. If you contact them, lay out the situation as completely as possible for them and allow them time to formulate a response. I would be most interested in what they have to say since this, in addition to the current laws of the State of Missouri, is the heart of what I have been working on for some time. Please keep me posted.
I am working on a web page to give an overview of the laws of the state with regard to cemeteries and will include a section on suggestions as to how to attempt to maintain and preserve these cemeteries. I had hoped to complete it this week; however I'm not sure that I will meet my own deadline. I just received permission for the reprint of "The Fulton Sun" article with your e-mail and will have that available on the website almost immediately. I will let you know with regard to the "suggestions" web page as soon as it is ready. Hopefully this week.
"Good Luck" with the county commissioners and please keep me posted on their response. I am copying "The Fulton Sun" on this e-mail and thanking them for allowing us to reprint their article on "Callaway County Missouri Journal".
Sincerely yours,
Wayne E. Johnson
johnsonwe(a)earthlink.net
'Callaway County Missouri Journal'
'Kingdom of Callaway Historical Society'
----- Original Message -----
From: Fulton Sun Gazette
To: johnsonwe(a)earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:49 AM
Subject: FW: Fulton Sun Article
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From: "Charlotte Coats" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:02:18 -0800
To: <fulsun(a)socket.net>
Subject: Fulton Sun Article
Hi... The Fulton Sun ran an article on Thursday Jan 3, 2002; Vol. 126 No. 2 about setting up a county trust fund for the upkeep of local cemeteries... I am particularly interested in the Old Salem Cemetery and Coats Cemetery close to Fulton, MO... Could you tell me who we would contact in reference to this fund? Thanks for your help...
Charlotte Coats
12341 Lampson Ave
Garden Grove, CA
coats(a)hotmail.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: jean gay
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:48 AM
To: coats(a)hotmail.com
Subject: family history
Hi, I am seeking information on an A. Elizabeth Coats
who married Kenneth Alexander McCaskill, son of
Daniel.
Their children were Jessie (or maybe Jesse)Edward,
Lois, Mary and maybe another daughter. Jessie Edward,
who if my grandfather, married Amanda Louvenia Moore
from Elba (Coffee Co.) Al. I am needing Elizabeth's
siblings, her parents, and grandparents. I have been
told her father's name was "William" but there are a
lot of William Coats. I will appreciate any help you
can give. Please respond to me by e-mail at:
jcookgay(a)yahoo.com
thanks a lot.
__________________________________________________
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The Dunkards or Church of the Brethren started in Germany . Their
original theology was largely based on early Lutheranism. There are
still churches in Germany and Denmark as well as the US. It has
fragmented many times.One of the fragments being called The old German
Baptist Brethren. There is one group called The Church of God another,
The Grace Brethren Church and so on. I know nothing of their theology
in the various groups today or their numbers.
Marna
Stansberry
----- Original Message -----
From: Wheelerwm(a)aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:53 AM
To: coats(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Coats genealogy
Charlotte,
Sorry about that. I hit the wrong button and nothing went.
I got your name off the rootsweb site. I am curious about the Elyria Coates born 1803 in TN.
There is an Elyria Coats age 37 living with Samuel H. and Sarah Martin in Arkansas, Newton Co, Prairie Township, 1870 Census.
Listed under her name is a Rebecca E. and James G.
I am wondering if this is your relative and if you have any information about the MARTIN family. Could Elyria and Sarah have been sisters or she was a widow and sister of Samuel Martin. I know Samuel and Sarah moved to AR from TN.
Any ideas? I am trying to learn something about this Martin family.
Thanks for any help or insite you can provide.
Margery Wheeler
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----- Original Message -----
From: Norma Adams
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:13 AM
To: BAKER-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [BAKER-L] Heads up!
Hi,
I just received a couple of emails that made me a little edgy and I
checked the Symantecs homepage and sure enough, there is a warning about
it. If you receive an email with the subject of
"photos of my party", DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT!!! Delete and empty the
trash.
You can read about it on the following link. It is the first one one the list.
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/
Norma
from - Middletown, Ohio
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Not sure I posted this before so just in case:
Kinsey Coates
b: 1 Nov 1826 in Adair County KY
parents: Charles and Nancy (Royce)
Father was born in VA - no birth place for mother given
Kinsey came to MO in 1865
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More stories of why records are so difficult to get in our genealogy quest...public records are public records...whether the Sheriff has them or the state archive...but in a lot of cases the attitudes remain similar
----- Original Message -----
From: Frosty Landon
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 6:10 PM
To: FOI-L(a)LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: West Va. audit
Project Access shows widespread misunderstanding of West Virginia's FOIA
laws. Nearly 50% of the state's sheriffs ignored written requests for
information. Project representatives from AP newspapers seeking
documents didn't get them in 40% of the cases, with about 1/4 of the
requests rejected, the others ignored. One county superintendent, who
did comply, complains about the attitude of the project representative
seeking the information.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3100719&BRD=2088&PAG=461&dept_i...
Though Mercer and McDowell sheriffs failed the Project Access tests,
they insist that their records are open to the public. Mercer sheriff
says the AP representative didn't specify which record he wanted. "All
they have to do is tell us what they are looking for, and I'm at liberty
to give it to them," [Sheriff Harold] Buckner said. "I'll even meet them
down here at night if they want to try to find it." McDowell Sheriff
Michael Brooks says he tried to call the AP representative back, but
could not find a phone number.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3100705&BRD=2088&PAG=461&dept_i...
Editorial on the West VA newspapers' Project Access. "All governmental
agencies should make public records just that: Public."
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Although this is for the Lindsay name, thought he raised some interesting points as to why one should consider DNA testing in the first place...
I guess it's up to the male members of the family...<g>....
Char
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Lindsay
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 3:28 PM
To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [DNA] Cutoff Date For Lindsay Surname DNA Project
Greetings Genealogy-DNA List,
The Lindsay Surname DNA Project has reached the stage where we must
establish a cutoff date for participation in the Project. This is required
in order to properly carry out the necessary administrative activities
associated with the Project.
The cutoff date for initiation of the Sign-Up Form and submitting the
required three generations of Lindsay (how ever spelled) lineage is Friday,
February 22, 2002.
Anyone submitting a Sign-Up Form after that date will be included in the
next round of testing. At this time it has not been determined if there
will be a second round of testing. It will depend solely upon the level of
interest which translates into finding a large enough group of Lindsay (how
ever spelled) males to justify the effort.
If you plan to participate in the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, please go to
http://www.clanlindsay.com/sign_up_form.htm and submit the Sign-Up Form as
soon as possible, following shortly with your genealogical information.
Based on a number of requests from individuals for additional information,
I have appended a summary document below. It is a bit lengthy but
hopefully it will answer any questions that you may have about your
potential participation in the Lindsay Surname DNA Project.
My best regards.
Ron Lindsay
San Jose, CA
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The Rationale of Genetic Genealogy Via The Lindsay Surname DNA Project - A
Summary
Obstacles in Traditional Genealogy
Traditionally, the approach to genealogy has been to take our pencils and
paper and travel to the libraries, archives, churches, genealogical and
historical societies and family elders. We would then proceed to check
indexes, examine records, generate abstracts and listen. Traditional
genealogy is, without doubt, a slow, meticulous yet rewarding process.
After many years of research, the primary problem for many of us in our
traditional genealogical research is simply what appears to be a dead end
or brick wall in further documenting or certifying our "missing
ancestor". We are also fully aware that there are dozens of Lindsay
lines, with potential "fits", that we could explore in search of this
missing link in our lineage. This represents a "boil the ocean" approach
due to the multitude of possibilities that could take many lifetimes and
even then not finding, with any degree of confidence, the missing ancestor.
Basic Genetics Breakthrough
Basic genetics has taught us that the male in our species passes his
Y-Chromosome to only his male heirs. He passes an X-Chromosome to his
daughters. The woman in turn passes her X-Chromosome to all her children,
male and female. Thus, with this knowledge and prompted by forensic
science, geneticists have determined a great deal over the years about how
to differentiate between two males using the Y-Chromosome. This obviously
leads to the potential grouping of men with the same surname if they have
identical Y-Chromosome markers. This is the breakthrough for surname
genealogy since the Y-Chromosome remains virtually unchanged with time
except for predictable mutations.
The Y-chromosome, in the nuclear DNA of every living male homo sapien,
creates a clear marker, known as a haplotype, that distinguishes one
male-to-male lineage from another.
The Y-chromosome Test Can Help Determine:
1. Whether specific individual males share a common male ancestor.
2. If a set of men with the same or similar surname are directly related
through a common ancestor.
3. An analysis of the mutations in the Y-chromosome can also be used to
estimate the degree of separation between individual males in terms of
number of generations since the separation occurred. The Most Recent
Common Ancestor (MRCA) is another way of expressing this separation.
Advantages For Using 21st Century DNA Techniques
Thus the advantage for employing the "DNA tool" in our genealogical efforts
would be to hopefully narrow the field of potential Lindsay candidates that
one would need to thoroughly research to establish an immigrant link to Europe.
This can only be accomplished however if we can include individuals in the
study project that would come with certifiable Lindsay (how ever spelled)
lineages.
Unless there was indeed one single ancestor for all the Lindsays in
Scotland, England, and Ireland it may be that there are multiple Lindsay
haplotypes. This would be determined, using the initial twelve
Y-chromosome markers in our planned DNA testing, by including individuals
from as many of the known Lindsay lineages as possible.
Ethical, Legal and Social Implications (ELSI) of Genetic Advances
The ethical, legal and social implications (ELSI) of genetics rightly
deserve a great deal of study and forethought. As an outgrowth of the
Human Genome Project an Ethics Committee has been established to anticipate
and study potential abuse in the use of the information coming from the
rapidly expanding results of the Human Genome Project and the huge
databases of genetic information that are being assembled around the
world. The potential impact for legislative policy makers and regulators
have implications at the national, regional and international levels.
Will random abuse occur in the use of this information, even with all the
policy making? You can be assured there will be occasional abuse as long
as humans and economics are involved with the life processes.
Confidentiality Safeguards For The Lindsay Surname DNA Project
As for the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, specific steps have been taken in
order to ensure the privacy and confidentiality of the Y-Chromosome data
that will be collected on the participants in this Project. Here is how it
will be done.
1. The DNA sampling (using Q-Tip type swabs) will be performed by the
participant in the privacy of his own home.
2. The DNA sample will be mailed by the participant to the Project
Coordinator (Ron Lindsay).
3. Upon receipt of the DNA sample, the Project Coordinator will assign a
code number (L001, L002, etc.) to each DNA sample.
4. When all of the DNA samples have been received, the Project Coordinator
will mail them in bulk to the testing laboratory for analysis. Along with
the DNA sample, the only information the laboratory will see, associated
with the individual DNA sample, is the code number and the specific
spelling of the Lindsay surname. For example;
L001 Lindsay
L002 Lindsey
L003 Lindesay
L004 Linzy
L005 Linzee
etc.
5. The Laboratory will analyze the DNA samples and return this information
to the Project Coordinator, correlating the lab analysis to the respective
Lxxx code number.
6. The Project Coordinator will send to each participant his individual
test results, referencing the Lxxx code number that was used to code their
identity.
7. The Project Coordinator will post the composite results (all
participants) of the Lindsay DNA Project at the Lindsay International web
site as follows;
Code # Surname Marker (Loci) values 1 - 12
L001 Lindsay
L002 Lindsey
L003 Lindesay
L004 Linzy
L005 Linzee
etc
>From this posted information, each participant, already knowing only his
own specific code (L001, L002, etc) from his private notification, can view
and determine which and how many of the other participants match marker
values with his own. This is where the value comes. If two participants
match 11 or 12 of these initial markers there is a possibility that they
share a common ancestor. The greater the number of matches, the more
likely they share a common ancestor.
8. From the list of participants that match 11 to 12 marker values, the
Project Coordinator will communicate individually to determine if there is
mutual interest for the two or more parties to communicate privately about
their Lindsay lineages and possibly where the common ancestor occurred. If
there is mutual interest, the parties will be provided with the e-mail
addresses of those who want to communicate and they can discuss their test
results independently.
In essence, there are only two people in the world who will ever have
access to the raw DNA marker readings and a participant's full name
identity. Those two people are the participant himself and the Project
Coordinator. The Project Coordinator is pledged to never publicly reveal
any participants marker values along with the participant's given
name. However, the Project Coordinator cannot control, nor does he want to
control, what an individual participant does with his own DNA marker data
after he receives it. The participant paid for the test and he owns the
results. He can do with it whatever he pleases. Even if another person
or family member pays for the DNA testing, the Project Coordinator will
only mail the test results to the individual participant who provided the
DNA sample.
Determining the Lindsay Surname Haplotype
If we choose to accept both, previously established, schools of thought
pertaining to the origin of the Lindsay surname, we could expect to see at
least two or more legitimate Lindsay surname genetic haplotypes surfacing
from a truly representative DNA Y-Chromosome test project for the Lindsay
surname.
But first, just what is a surname haplotype? The word haplotype is
defined as a set of closely linked alleles (genes or DNA polymorphisms)
inherited as a unit. Different combinations of polymorphisms are known as
haplotypes. Collectively the results from several short tandem repeat
(STR) loci could be referred to as a haplotype.
Geneticists and University researchers throughout the world have studied
many regions of the male Y-Chromosome. What they have discovered is a
series of short tandem repeat (STR) markers that have demonstrated their
unique ability to reliably distinguish one male lineage from
another. Furthermore these segments of the Y-Chromosome remain unchanged,
from generation to generation with only a possible, predictable mutation
rate occurring after several hundred years. There are currently hundreds
of these STR markers with approximately twenty-four of them used frequently
in the field of forensic medicine. They, along with others, are now being
applied inexpensively in the field of genetic genealogy. The basic,
commercially available, Y-Chromosome test is composed of 10 to 23 of these
STR markers, depending upon the laboratory performing the work and the
amount of money a participant wants to spend. A repeat value is recorded
for each of the markers. A surname haplotype is defined by the set of
marker repeat values recorded. A biologically unbroken male lineage will
display identical marker repeat values for all members of that specific
lineage.
Caution or Downside to DNA Testing
The one particular downside to Y-Chromosome DNA testing is the remote
possibility that the DNA marker values for an individual could reveal that
a participant does not appear to share any commonality with any of the
other Lindsay (how ever spelled) participants. There could be several
reasons for unexplained biological breaks in the inherited Y-Chromosome
through the male or paternal lineage.
a. Infidelity - Consensual
b. Rape - Unreported
c. Adoption Not Recorded
d. Name change Voluntary/unrecorded assumption of a new name.
If any one of the above situations occurred at any point in the paternal
ancestry of a Lindsay Project participant, the DNA analysis would likely
show that their haplotype was more appropriately shared biologically by
those of the other surname involved. This could prove to be a very
emotional moment for a person who had assumed all their life that they were
biological descended from a Lindsay (how ever spelled) ancestry.
In Conclusion
Neither the Lindsay Surname DNA Project Coordinator nor the global
community of geneticists can guarantee anyone that what we will discover
with the Lindsay Surname DNA Project is beyond question nor is it a
validation of any certainty. What it will tell those of us Lindsay
researchers who do not have all the pieces of our genealogy validated with
primary source documents is simply this. If there were, for example 500
Lindsay lineages around the world that one could potentially be
biologically related to, it would be great to be able to narrow that field
down a bit to maybe four or five Lindsay lineages that had a higher
probability of sharing a common ancestor with that Lindsay (how ever
spelled) researcher.
This common ancestor probability is beyond the shadow of a doubt within the
capability of current Y-Chromosome DNA testing. With that information in
hand, instead of chasing down every Thomas and James that shows up on the
screen or in printed matter, one could spend his or her time pursuing their
ancestry with those Lindsay researchers whose DNA matched that of their
own. Who knows, one might get lucky and match up with someone who has
their Lindsay (how ever spelled) lineage already certified back to
Charlemagne (not likely, but a great fantasy anyway). There are no
promises of great revelations, but most of us would settle for learning
anything new about our fascinating Lindsay (how ever spelled) lineages.
It simply boils down to males bearing the Lindsay (how ever spelled)
surname who have independently educated themselves with the material
available here and elsewhere and making the decision that there are
personal benefits to be derived from their participation in the Lindsay
Surname DNA Project.
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Charlotte & List: This is a link to a site about the Dunker church.
Apparently there are still about 900 practicing members in the U.S. The name
Dunker Church to any Civil War aficionado brings to mind the famous church
site at the Antietam Battle Site. It looks as though the Dunkards did not
evolve from the Baptist Church itself as far as I can tell.
<A HREF="http://www.dunkardbrethrenchurch.com/dunkard.php">Who are we?</A>
http://www.dunkardbrethrenchurch.com/dunkard.php
Happy Sunday to all... LInda Myers, descendant of Reverand William Coats &
Nancy Baker of Callaway County, MO
Does anyone know who the William Cotes in 1790 is on this list. It might
be the illusive William Coate who went to Newberry by 1762.
At 11:32 PM 1/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sc/census/1790/056.gif
>
>
>The image:
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LINDA COATE,
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