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I have new information:
Thomas Watson, Jr. married Elizabeth Coats
Milia Milly Coats married Joseph Watson, son of Thomas Watson, Sr
Rebecca Coats married Benjamin Watson, son of Thomas Watson, Sr.
These appear to be the names on the deed.
Barb
Searching for descendants of Jehu COATS b1802 in Newberry Co. SC d1854 in
Dekalb Co. AL m 1825 Mary Polly JOHNSON. One of Jehu's children was Daniel P
COATS. He was born about 1831 in SC. He removed to St. Francis & Boone Co.'s
AR. before 1860. He received a medical discharge from the Confederate Army
in 1862. He died after 1870.
Searching for descendants of Jehu COATS b 1802 in Newberry Co. SC d 1854 in
Dekalb Co. AL m Mary Polly Johnson about 1825. His children, which include
Isaac T., Henry C., Daniel P., Terrel J, John S., James A., Cinderella F.,
Sarah Elizabeth and Nancy Elliot, where born between 1827 & 1850. Isaac,
Terrel, John & James all died without issue. Daniel P.(?Pinkney?) removed to
St. Francis & Boone Co.'s AR. before 1860. He was discharged from the
Confederate Army in 1862 with the cause listed as cancer of the stomach. He
died after 1870.
I'm getting lost. I need more specific information on the deed
record that you are trying to match the people up with (dates and
places and names). As for your last question, who was the William
that lived next to Big John on Beaverdam, quickly looking I don't
have a William living next to Big John, so I need details on the
deeds that tell you that is so, to help you answer the question.
>Linda, I don't think that William of 1762 is the same William as on
>Kings Creek...and the William adjacent to the Hunt, there appears to
>be
>no other records of his for that land at present....and that rule of
>progenitor, i.e. the oldest son takes the land might be why there
>are no
>wills etc...but there should be some sort of probate record ...i.e.
>writ
>of partition or will if William of 1762 died prior to 1792 in
>SC...????
>but if he died really early...maybe there are no records of that????
>or
>at least none that have survived or we haven't found them yet or
we've
>found them and don't recognize them...there is a William married to a
>Mary...the one that has a Jesse Coate in it as well, his estate
>papers...that could be the William of 1762 with the land adjacent to
>the
>Hunt and he was the Baptist mentioned in the Baptist records.....???
>What was the wife's name of the William next to Big John on Beaverdam
>Creek...?
>
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Yes, exactly correct. The William and his brother Henry, were
both in their 60's when they moved to SC and Henry's son Marmaduke
was 65 plus when he moved to Miami Co., OH. The male Coates in
this line including my father tend to live well into their 80s, and
still be quite vigorous in their 60s. There is always a
possibility that there is a missing generation, but I don't think
so from migration patterns. The fact that we can't find out
anything on the William of 1762 other than the fact that he is
referred to as the William in the area also suggests that he is
older, has possibly a few grown kids with him that are well
established and don't need to be willed land, etc..... He's just
too illusive.
At 11:54 AM 12/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I think the birth date might be off...if he was there before 1762
>let's
>just say he got there in 1760 and if he was born in 1702, he was
>almost
>60 when he moved to SC..that would mean all of his children were
grown
>but then...that seems a bit late to be moving...although if he had
>land
>adjacent to Michael Hunt, we don't know how much land he had...the
>most
>he could have gotten for he and his wife at that time I believe was
>100
>acres...
>
>Is it possible that this William of SC in 1762 has another generation
>that we're missing....? It certainly seems that with James and the
>Watson group there are some missing generations to them back to the
>James and Mary Watson in PA if that is the line...
>
>Char
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Char Coats-Siercks" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
>To: coats(a)hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: William 1762 Annals
>Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:46:05 PST
>
>Except maybe the birth date is too early 1702 for him to have died in
>1804...boy he'd be over 100 years old...hmmmm are you sure of that
>birth
>date????
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Char Coats-Siercks" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
>Subject: William 1762 Annals
>Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:37:26 PST
>To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
>Linda, I don't think that William of 1762 is the same William as on
>Kings Creek...and the William adjacent to the Hunt, there appears to
>be
>no other records of his for that land at present....and that rule of
>progenitor, i.e. the oldest son takes the land might be why there
>are no
>wills etc...but there should be some sort of probate record ...i.e.
>writ
>of partition or will if William of 1762 died prior to 1792 in
>SC...????
>but if he died really early...maybe there are no records of that????
>or
>at least none that have survived or we haven't found them yet or
we've
>found them and don't recognize them...there is a William married to a
>Mary...the one that has a Jesse Coate in it as well, his estate
>papers...that could be the William of 1762 with the land adjacent to
>the
>Hunt and he was the Baptist mentioned in the Baptist records.....???
>What was the wife's name of the William next to Big John on Beaverdam
>Creek...?
>
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William, son of Big John, did not move to Ohio until 1804, so that
won't help us with the land that way. However, his two purchases
of land seem to be clear. He was the William Coate who purchased
land as a young adult from his aunt and uncle by the name of Wright
in 1785. Then he also bought land from his brother Wright Coate in
1802.
I need more detail on the Michael Hunt land. As far as the William
married to Mary, there is more than one in the area. There is
William married to Mary in Newberry, SC who is believed to be the
son of Thomas and Sarah Ann Coates. He was born before 1781 and
died young in 1804 leaving behind to young children, Richard and
Issaac. There is the Esquire William married to Mary Green of
Charleston, SC who dies in 1781. Their known children were George,
Thomas and Elizabeth. Then there is the William Coate who is the
son of Gentleman John who was married to a Mary in the Newberry
area sometime before 1798. They had a lot of children: Rheuben,
John, Mary, Sarah, Margaret, Ann, Dorothy, Jesse and William.
(Maybe this is the one adjacent to Micheal Hunt as he has a son
named Jesse (not born until 1812)... when is this William living
next to Michael Hunt???)
At 11:44 AM 12/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Yes, if Big John's son moved out of the area to Ohio...then that
>William
>in the Baptist records could be the William of 1762 who had the land
>adjacent to Michael Hunt...this might very well be the William
married
>to the Mary, and there is a Jesse Coate connected to him as
>well...Thomas Coate had a son named Jesse...not sure they're the same
>Jesse...
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Char Coats-Siercks" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
>Subject: William 1762 Annals
>Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:37:26 PST
>To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
>Linda, I don't think that William of 1762 is the same William as on
>Kings Creek...and the William adjacent to the Hunt, there appears to
>be
>no other records of his for that land at present....and that rule of
>progenitor, i.e. the oldest son takes the land might be why there
>are no
>wills etc...but there should be some sort of probate record ...i.e.
>writ
>of partition or will if William of 1762 died prior to 1792 in
>SC...????
>but if he died really early...maybe there are no records of that????
>or
>at least none that have survived or we haven't found them yet or
we've
>found them and don't recognize them...there is a William married to a
>Mary...the one that has a Jesse Coate in it as well, his estate
>papers...that could be the William of 1762 with the land adjacent to
>the
>Hunt and he was the Baptist mentioned in the Baptist records.....???
>What was the wife's name of the William next to Big John on Beaverdam
>Creek...?
>
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They were in our email discussion a couple weeks ago, but they
definitely weren't about Gentlemen John. They helped disprove a
theory that Gentleman John's wife was Mary McQuiston. It
referred to a Mary McQuiston marrying John Coots in NC, which is
the marriage record being referred to for Gentleman John. However,
it followed John Coots and Mary's entire life taking him to
Tennessee and he obviously was not Gentleman John.
I just found one of these letters with much of the jist of it
included. It was sent by John Coates at jdcoates(a)aa.net. Thanks
John!
The following is from _The History of Buffalo Presbyterian Church
And Her
People_.
"James COOTS was born in Ireland; came to and located for a short
while in
Halifax County, VA., then came to NC about 1763 and located on the
Reedy
Fork. He married first Sarah, daughter of James MCQUISTION, and
second a
daughter of John McLINTLOCK. His children were Jennie, Louvenia,
Vertie, and
another daughter James SPENCE. Jennie married Alfred DILLION; Louvenia
married Leven AYDELOTTE. Vertie died unmarried.
John COOTS, a brother of James came with him and located on the
Reedy Fork
in 1763. He married Mary MCQUISTION, daughter of Robert McQustion,
in 1769.
He must have been married before this, for his daughter Hannah married
Jeremiah CUNNINGHAM in 1779. After the death of his 2nd wife, he
married
Hannah, daughter of John HAMILTON. In 1778 Samuel and Thomas
THOMPSON and
John COOTS secured tittle to 4,260 a land in TN, and he sold his
farm here
and moved to TN." In the same book is a 1979 church list that
contains the
names James Coots and Mrs. Mary Coots. There is also a reference to
a James
Coots serving as Sheriff from the Buffalo area 1793-94.
There is a July 1769 Rowan County marriage bond for James COOTS to
Mary
McQuistion.
John and Jas COOTS are on a 1768 Rowan County List for the area
that became
Guilford County. The surnames THOMPSON, HAMILTON and McQUISTION are
the same
list.
There is a deed dated 7 Feb. 1763 transferring 232 acres on the
Reedy Fork
of the Haw River from Robert THOMPSON to John COOTS, proved by
James COOTS.
James COOTS served as a Lieutenant in the 4th NC Regiment during the
revolution. John COOTS was a private,
There is a will for James COOTS, dated 27 July 1816, probated in
Guilford
County in 1820, It mentions his wife Mary, John SPENCE and daughter
Minervy
EYDOLET.
At 02:47 PM 12/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Oh, you were discussion some Presb records for Gent John...that's
>interesting...<g>...just wondered if they were postable...Char
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:42:37 -0500
>To: "Char Coats-Siercks" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
>From: Linda Dudick <LDudick(a)ancestory.com>
>Subject: Re: Gent John Presb records
>
>
>I'm sorry. I've lost the train of thought. Which records are you
>asking me about?
>At 11:05 AM 12/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>Hmmmm...what records were those Linda...is it something easy to
>>post...<g>....Char
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Just want to echo that message with one of my own----------HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gary Coats
-----Original Message-----
From: Char Coats-Siercks [SMTP:coats@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 1:25 PM
To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Happy New Year
Just wanted to wish everyone a great New Year...Char
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----Original Message Follows----
From: "Michael Tucker" <mtucker(a)cybrtyme.com>
To: "Char Coats-Siercks" <coats(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Jehu Coats
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:11:28 -0600
Thanks for the response. Jehu Coats was a son of Henry Coate &
Molly(Mary)
Pitts. Molly Pitts was a daughter of Henry Pitts, Sr. Henry Coate died
in
Newberry Co. around 1817. Molly died before 1816. That is as far back as
I
am positive about. I have some some info that connects Henry Coate to
the
Coates' that you guys were speaking of, but I am not sure of it. Any
further
info would be helpful.
Michael
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From: Char Coats-Siercks <coats(a)hotmail.com>
To: mtucker(a)cybrtyme.com <mtucker(a)cybrtyme.com>
Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Jehu Coats
Hi Michael...have you seen the BLM land records and the Coats Family
Archive at:
http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar
I think the Coats' we are discussing at present in South Carolina
are
earlier, 1700s, than your Jehu, but I haven't seen a Jehu in
Newberry
for that time period, 1802......but that name sounds
familiar...<g>...
Char
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Michael Tucker" <mtucker(a)cybrtyme.com>
Subject: Jehu Coats
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:31:57 -0600
To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
Searching for descendants of Jehu COATS b1802 in Newberry Co. SC
d1854
in
Dekalb Co. AL m 1825 Mary Polly JOHNSON. One of Jehu's children was
Daniel P
COATS. He was born about 1831 in SC. He removed to St. Francis &
Boone
Co.'s
AR. before 1860. He received a medical discharge from the
Confederate
Army
in 1862. He died after 1870.
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This is just another comment to muddy up the Coates' waters, for what it may
or may not be worth:
Big John Coates and Rachel Wright named first child William (for Big's
father?), 2d son Wright (obviously for mother's side of the family), 1st
daughter Rachel (for Rachel's mother Rachel Wells Wright) and 2d daughter
Mary. They named a fourth son John which was Rachel's father's name.
The Wright family did not consistently follow the Quaker naming
convention--some did and some did not. I'm wondering if perhaps Rachel and
Big did, based on Daphne's assumption that William may have been the father of
Big John. And...IF they were following the convention, then Big's mother
would have been named Mary. Does this fit with William's wife? Or do we know
what her name was?
DJ
John, How's Pat doing? As far as Mary McQuiston goes, I found
the Presbyterian Church History to be quite convincing - that the
record Park and Pat Moran had seen, applies to John Coot and not
our Gentleman John Coate.... If you haven't seen that data, please
let me know and I'll seek it out for you. Park was great for
being a visionary and stated that that was simply a possibility.
That marriage date for John Coot and Mary McQuiston is even
significantly late for matching Gentleman's John's children's
birthdate as we get them refined.
As for James and Elizabeth in the region, I think Charlotte is
referring to James Coate and Elizabeth Scott Coate. They moved
into the Edgefield area of SC in the year 1800 and he dies leaving
a will in 1817. I believe it's available on Charlottes site.
Hope this helps a little.
At 11:43 AM 12/31/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Char, thanks for the message. Well, at least that puts a James and
>Elizabeth
>in Newberry Co. in that time period, which gives me solace. On another
>subject, I spoke with Pat Moran in Houston, and he quoted out of
>Parke's
>work on the Coatses, that Parke speculated that John Gent married Mary
>Mcquestion-Mcquiston because of the marriage record that we have all
>seen.
>However, I guess we're still not positive.
>John
>
>Char Coats-Siercks wrote:
>
>> Hi John...to answer your questions in part...<g>...I have just taken
>> copies of all the Coats documents, that includes all variations
>that are
>> close...as in not Cole....those records were microfilmed by the LDS
>> church from the Newberry County Court house...and include the 1805
>time
>> period...I will admit there are some of the microfilm which I
did not
>> order from SLC because the book numbers were not mentioned in the
>Coats
>> index of them that I have...and I will admit there were some
>records in
>> there not included in the index and others that were included in the
>> Coats index that I found questionable...those records are all in the
>> Coats Family Archive on the Newberry County page...they are scanned
>> copies of the original records from the LDS microfilm...I have
listed
>> also the microfilm from which the records came from...
>>
>> I didn't see in the records I found a James Robert or Josephine
>> Elizabeth Webster .....however, there are James' and Elizabeth and I
>> think either a James or John with a wife Elizabeth...but none of the
>> records include middle names....
>>
>> Char
>>
>> ----Original Message Follows----
>> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:08:31 -0600
>> From: "John W. Coats" <jwcoats(a)htc.net>
>> Subject: James Robert Coats
>> To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>
>> 3.Has anyone seen a copy of the Dowry Record which was
>> supposedly filed at Newberry Courthouse in 1805, which proved the
>> marriage of James Robert to Josephine Elizabeth Webster?
>> Glad to be back on the list. Hope someone has some knowledge of the
>> above.
>>
>> John Wayne Coats
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Linda, Well, my message certainly has stirred things up, to say the least.
I recieved a phone call from Kathleen Woodrow last nite, and she told me
she wasn't questioning the genealogy from Ms. Sumrall. However, now I guess
it is me who is questioning it. From the time that Pat Moran discovered the
break in the line from Barzilla's deed, and that the dates and birth dates
of John Gent's kids didn't match up, I indeed have started to question
anything in the line that doesn't have copies of original documents to back
it up. Another reason is that in the LDS library, there are several
Scottish Coats lines, and Gary Coats has mentioned there were Scottish
Coatses who came into Charleston, and migrated from there. All in all, and
I know this will really cause some indigestion, I don't think we have any
real credible proof that James Robert Coats of Meridian, Ms., was indeed
the son of John Gentleman. There, now I've said it, and there you have it,
as the song says. However, just think of all the other possibilities this
opens up. Isn't this fun?
John
Linda Dudick wrote:
> John, It's great to have you back in the discussion. From two
> different paths in the last month, I've heard puzzlement that James
> Robert was the son of Gentleman John and Mary Coate. I was
> really surprised at first, but when studying the problem myself, I
> am also now skeptical that he is connected correctly. Here's why.
>
> There is an 1805 deed for James who is the son of Gentleman John in
> which his wife's name is Elizabeth. According to the bible record
> for James Robert, he and Elizabeth were married in 1807 and started
> having children in 1808. Secondly, Gentleman John deeds land to
> his son James just in his will dated 1803. He also names him
> first as his executor of his will. In neither document, does he
> mention that James is under age. James Robert would have only been
> barely 17 years old at the time ... and not be considered of age
> until age 21 in that time frame. These circumstances seem very
> unlikely to me. Lastly, there is evidence from census records
> from relationship in living space that the Samuel who is the son of
> Gentleman John is over 30 years older than James Robert-- and this
> too is a stretch of the typical birthing patterns at the time.
> Like you, I have not seen proof of any of the items you would like
> to see verified either. We do know that Ada Coats Haire
> remembered her grandparents names as John and Mary. I'm trying to
> find out from Pat Moran if she actually would have known them.
> What do you think?
>
> At 07:08 PM 12/29/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >By this time many of you may be aware that Wanda Tye Scott, in Texas,
> >has submitted an application to DAR to have John (Gentleman) Coats
> >reinstated as a Patriot. She has submitted this application based on
> >the
> >fact that he signed his name on several documents, including his will,
> >and that the other Johns, Little, Georgia, and Big never signed any
> >documents, and in fact Big John signed with a mark (X).
> > Now, it appears others have called into question whether or
> not our
> >James Robert, of Meridian Miss., was indeed the son of John (Gent).
> >They
> >have contended that the James of Edgefield, who was named in the
> Watson
> >Will, was the son of John Gent. It seems that Ms. Annie Sue Summerall,
> >who passed away this past summer, hired a genealogist who put together
> >the Coats genealogy of James Robert Coats, who settled in
> Meridian, Ms.
> >around 1808. The honesty and reputation of that genealogist have been
> >called in to question by Ms. Kathleen Woodrow of Oklahoma.
> >Specifically,
> >Ms. Woodrow questions the authenticity of the family bible of Madison
> >Coats of Meridian, which showed the birth, death, and marriage
> dates of
> >several Coats descendents. As many of you know, this record was
> >transcribed (typed), and included in the family history which I
> >purchased from Ms. Summerall. To get to the point, I would like to ask
> >the following questions of all of you: 1. Has anyone seen a copy
> >of the family bible record of Madison Coats?
> > 2. Has anyone seen a copy of the birth record of John
> >Webster in Robertson Co. Tenn.- Ken.?
> > 3.Has anyone seen a copy of the Dowry Record which was
> >supposedly filed at Newberry Courthouse in 1805, which proved the
> >marriage of James Robert to Josephine Elizabeth Webster?
> >Glad to be back on the list. Hope someone has some knowledge of the
> >above.
> >
> >John Wayne Coats
> >
> >
>
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Charlotte, This is all helpful and understandable. Just one
clarification. The earliest William is the brother of Henry, not
his son. Marmaduke, James and John, early in the area are his
likely nephews, all sons of Henry.
At 09:30 AM 12/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Linda...yes, the William who purchased land on Beaverdam, I think
>about
>1785 from the Wright is the possble son of Big John, the William that
>comes closest to being there in 1762 is the William with the plat in
>1766 probably near Scotts Creek but definiately on the Bush River...I
>have read with the land records, that in some cases, they lived on
the
>land sometimes for a considerable time before it was acutally
>documented...it is this William I believe that is thought to be the
>son
>of Henry and brother of Little John, Marmaduke and Henry jr..?
>However,
>if the William with the land Adjacent to Hunt has no documented
record
>of his being there, except the Hunt record, that could be the
>William of
>1762 as well...we just don't know enough about either to tell at this
>point. I begining to think that some of the early land records may
>not
>have been recorded and there is a file of unrecorded deeds that I've
>seen referenced at the SC Archive...also the SC Council Minutes have
>not
>been checked to see if the Petition for William of 1766 is in
>there...there is another undocumented Coats there as well, I think
>it is
>a John, there is reference to has having adjoining land but not plat
>for
>him was found, that's in Motes, 1994 I believe...Char
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:52:39 -0500
>From: Linda Dudick <LDudick(a)ancestory.com>
>Subject: Re: Susannah Ennis Coats Gilbert
>To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
>Charlotte, The William you refer to that we know purchased land
>near Big John, from memory is his son William and not the William
>in SC in 1762. I'll check on both to see if the 1762 William is
>involved also. Things are flying so fast and furious --- there's
>a lot to check on today.
>
>At 07:47 PM 12/30/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>Is this the William of 1766? What land records link him to this
>>William...also I think Big John is linked to the William Coate who
>>purchased land on or near Beaverdam Creek, William purchased land
>>from a
>>Wright I believe...all in the Coats Archive..<g>...Char
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:16:08 -0500
>>From: Linda Dudick <LDudick(a)ancestory.com>
>>Subject: Re: Susannah Ennis Coats Gilbert
>>To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>
>>Daphne, Bless your heart. I hope your husband continues to feel
>>better and get stronger. That must be very scary. As far as the
>>tree goes, I'm particularly interested in the fact that you believe
>>the early William in Berkeley Co. is related to Big John. He
>>could easily be his son by ages--- and then you'd also know how he
>>was related to Henry, Marmaduke, James and John. Take care.
>>At 08:57 PM 12/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>>This is the first time I have written in a long while, but have
have
>>>been
>>>reading the mail all along, and printing a lot of it. My husband
had
>>>a massive
>>>heart attack on Dec. 12th, so you can see I have been busy. Thanks
>>>to the
>>>prayers of many, he is at home recovering.(as much as that is
>>>possible)
>>>So, tonite I have been reading thru the mail that has come in
lately
>>>and I
>>>must say you have been keeping the lines hot!!!!
>>> First let me say in answer to the letter from Charlotte dated
>>>12/21/1998
>>>regarding Susannah Dixon.
>>> Mrs. Susannah Ennis Coats, after the death of Little John,
married
>>>Thomas
>>>Dixon between 1807 and 1810. They moved from S.C. to Clarke Co.,
Al.
>>>She died
>>>and is buried in Old Clarkesville Cemetry near Grove Hill, Al.
>>>There was a
>>>marker there in the 1950's which read:
>>> Mrs. Susannah
>>> Mother of William Coate
>>> Departed this life
>>> 18th of Aug. 1834
>>> In the 82nd year of her life.
>>>I do not know why her last name was not shown.
>>>
>>>Secondly, I am wondering about the Wm. that Linda mentions in her
>>>letter,
>>>dated 12/21/98, in which she states quote "I would expect the first
>>>William in
>>>the Bush River area to be an uncle to Marmaduke, James, and Little
>>>John, and a
>>>brother to Henry. I have a very strong feeling that this William
>>>could be the
>>>father of Big John, as he is linked with Big John in many
>>>transactions, such
>>>as land deeds and court records.
>>>
>>>Forgive my long windedness. And I am probably covering old ground.
>>>But since
>>>I have missed some mail, maybe you will forgive me.
>>>
>>>Happy New Year to All
>>>Daphne
>>>
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>>http://www.ancestory.com
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Hi James...hmmm...I'm still stuck in SC...that is the focus of my
research right now...I haven't gotten to VA yet...<g>...but I am ccing
this to our Coates List as well...in the Archive to view .tif files you
need a .tif viewer and there are also links to free viewers from the
Archive....
Links to the Coates List are there as well...would love to have you join
us...
Char
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From: JWEW(a)aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:38:53 EST
To: coats(a)lawyer4u.com
Subject: Geneology
We have been doing research on the West family in Gloucester, Virginia
and
have determined that one of our ancestors was a John Coates of
Gloucester born
around 1785, married Mary Pullen, born around 1800. Their children
included
James Coates, b. circa 1840, John R. Jr, b. circa 1842, and Mary E., b.
circa
1844 among others.
Is this family of Coates related to you or do you have any information
on
them?
Our interest includes our European roots.
As an aside, we attempted to open some of your scanned source documents
(.tif
files) from the Coats site and were unable to.
Thanks for your help.
James O. West, Jr.
jwew(a)aol.com
Houston, Texas
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Char, No I don't have any copies of original documents, which is what I am
after. All these are statements in the Coats geanealogy which I bought from
Annie Sue Sumrall. The reason I broached the question is because I've never
seen any copies of original documents which would help prove the statements
John
Char Coats-Siercks wrote:
> John...it's good practice to check all research...I don't think anyone
> is calling his integrity into question...and the Coats Family has been
> burned by *professional* genealogist in the past...so we're just
> cautious...<g>....sometimes the records are circumstantial and there can
> be more than one view...
>
> I have not seen the bible record of Madison ...
>
> I have not seen a copy of the birth record of John in Robertson County
> TN...
>
> Are these records that you have available...?
>
> I have not begun to research TN yet...but the only Coats I've seen a
> record of is Barton Coats in Robertson County TN....and I think some
> records in Robertson County TN for Couts have been used for Coats....but
> there is a prominent family of Couts in Robertson County TN...the
> USGenWeb TN Robertson County page has a copy of that history which
> includes mention of this Couts family....
>
> Also the brother of Barton Coats, Wilson Coats of Bedford County TN, had
> a son William that went into MS I believe...won't trust my memory on the
> county...are you aware of these Coats'....
>
> Char
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:08:31 -0600
> From: "John W. Coats" <jwcoats(a)htc.net>
> Subject: James Robert Coats
> To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
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> By this time many of you may be aware that Wanda Tye Scott, in Texas,
> has submitted an application to DAR to have John (Gentleman) Coats
> reinstated as a Patriot. She has submitted this application based on the
> fact that he signed his name on several documents, including his will,
> and that the other Johns, Little, Georgia, and Big never signed any
> documents, and in fact Big John signed with a mark (X).
> Now, it appears others have called into question whether or not our
> James Robert, of Meridian Miss., was indeed the son of John (Gent). They
> have contended that the James of Edgefield, who was named in the Watson
> Will, was the son of John Gent. It seems that Ms. Annie Sue Summerall,
> who passed away this past summer, hired a genealogist who put together
> the Coats genealogy of James Robert Coats, who settled in Meridian, Ms.
> around 1808. The honesty and reputation of that genealogist have been
> called in to question by Ms. Kathleen Woodrow of Oklahoma. Specifically,
> Ms. Woodrow questions the authenticity of the family bible of Madison
> Coats of Meridian, which showed the birth, death, and marriage dates of
> several Coats descendents. As many of you know, this record was
> transcribed (typed), and included in the family history which I
> purchased from Ms. Summerall. To get to the point, I would like to ask
> the following questions of all of you: 1. Has anyone seen a copy
> of the family bible record of Madison Coats?
> 2. Has anyone seen a copy of the birth record of John
> Webster in Robertson Co. Tenn.- Ken.?
> 3.Has anyone seen a copy of the Dowry Record which was
> supposedly filed at Newberry Courthouse in 1805, which proved the
> marriage of James Robert to Josephine Elizabeth Webster?
> Glad to be back on the list. Hope someone has some knowledge of the
> above.
>
> John Wayne Coats
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Char, thanks for the message. Well, at least that puts a James and Elizabeth
in Newberry Co. in that time period, which gives me solace. On another
subject, I spoke with Pat Moran in Houston, and he quoted out of Parke's
work on the Coatses, that Parke speculated that John Gent married Mary
Mcquestion-Mcquiston because of the marriage record that we have all seen.
However, I guess we're still not positive.
John
Char Coats-Siercks wrote:
> Hi John...to answer your questions in part...<g>...I have just taken
> copies of all the Coats documents, that includes all variations that are
> close...as in not Cole....those records were microfilmed by the LDS
> church from the Newberry County Court house...and include the 1805 time
> period...I will admit there are some of the microfilm which I did not
> order from SLC because the book numbers were not mentioned in the Coats
> index of them that I have...and I will admit there were some records in
> there not included in the index and others that were included in the
> Coats index that I found questionable...those records are all in the
> Coats Family Archive on the Newberry County page...they are scanned
> copies of the original records from the LDS microfilm...I have listed
> also the microfilm from which the records came from...
>
> I didn't see in the records I found a James Robert or Josephine
> Elizabeth Webster .....however, there are James' and Elizabeth and I
> think either a James or John with a wife Elizabeth...but none of the
> records include middle names....
>
> Char
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:08:31 -0600
> From: "John W. Coats" <jwcoats(a)htc.net>
> Subject: James Robert Coats
> To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
> 3.Has anyone seen a copy of the Dowry Record which was
> supposedly filed at Newberry Courthouse in 1805, which proved the
> marriage of James Robert to Josephine Elizabeth Webster?
> Glad to be back on the list. Hope someone has some knowledge of the
> above.
>
> John Wayne Coats
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FYI...Char
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Well, I think that fits with one William and Mary will we have...but I'm
not sure which William that is...interesting though...I think the date
on that was 1804...Linda do you know which William and Mary that
is...the ones with the Jesse listed on the estate papers?
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From: DRowe85608(a)aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:21:13 EST
Subject: Re: Big John's father William?
To: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
This is just another comment to muddy up the Coates' waters, for what it
may
or may not be worth:
Big John Coates and Rachel Wright named first child William (for Big's
father?), 2d son Wright (obviously for mother's side of the family), 1st
daughter Rachel (for Rachel's mother Rachel Wells Wright) and 2d
daughter
Mary. They named a fourth son John which was Rachel's father's name.
The Wright family did not consistently follow the Quaker naming
convention--some did and some did not. I'm wondering if perhaps Rachel
and
Big did, based on Daphne's assumption that William may have been the
father of
Big John. And...IF they were following the convention, then Big's
mother
would have been named Mary. Does this fit with William's wife? Or do
we know
what her name was?
DJ
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