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At 17:37 30/03/97 -0800, Gary W. Coats wrote:
>In thinking about what I have gleaned from my years of research, snd since
we now have this newsletter, I would like to share and get feed back from
any and all:
Hi Gary
There was a little bit too much for me to take in there. While I am
thinking about it, here is a partial account of Thomas Coates from
Leicestershire to Philadelphia in 1683, written by Henry T. Coates in
1897. Thomas married Beulah Jaques in 1696 at the Philadelphia
Montly Meeting.
THOMAS COATES
It is only an old parchment-bound memorandum-book, "Rider's
British Merlin for 1683," but what a flood of light in commonplace entries,
hastily written and at intervals, of years apart, throw upon the life and
character of one who for nearly two centuries has slept beneath the sod
in the quiet of the Friends' Burial Ground at Fourth and Arch Streets! The
title-page claims that it is "bedect with Marry delightful Varieties and useful
Verities: Fitting the Longitude and Latitude of all Capacities within the
Islands of Great Britain's Monarchy and Chronological Observations of
Principals Note to the year 1683. Being the third Bissextile or Leap Year.
With notes of Husbandry, Physick, Faires and Marts, Direction Tables for
all necessary Uses." When it was "made and compiled for the benefit of his
country by Cordanus Rider," as he quaintly puts it, Europe was evidently in
a state of unrest and discontent. The "Merry Monarch" sat on the throne of
England, and the "Grand Monarch" on that of France. Spain, though still
powerful, had entered upon her period of rapid decline, and the magnificent
German Empire of to-day had not yet been called into being; the
"unspeakable Turk" was carrying the green standard of the Prophet into
Central Europe, and the question whether the Cross or the Crescent should
dominate the fortunes of Eastern Europe for generations to come was yet to
be fought out under the walls of Vienna. Europe was no place for a bright,
enterprising young man twenty-three years of age. So at least thought
Thomas Coates of Leicestershire, who, as he records in this memorandum-book,
"went from home the 17th of thee 12th month" (1682), stopping at London, where
on the 22nd of the succeeding month, he purchased from Orsler the stationer
this veritable memorandum-book which lies before me on the library-table as I
write. In the Almanac under September he writes "Thos. Coates was borne the
26th of this 1659". His parents were Henry and Elizabeth Coates of the Old
Leicestershire and Derbyshire family of that name. One family tradition
recounts how the family had been ardent Royalists, and had stood by the falling
cause of Charles I. to the end. Like many other, they had welcomed the
restoration of the monarchy, but, disgusted at length with the excesses of
Charles II.'s voluptuous court and the Romanizing tendencies of the Duke of
York (afterward James II.), they had listened to the teachings of George Fox
and had become Friends. Another tradition, however, states that his father
was not a convert to the new faith, but disinherited his son for embracing it.
Be that as it may, Thomas Coates was a Friend, and as such determined to
cast in his fortunes with his brethren in the colony which William Penn had
founded in the New World, and where his brother-in-law, George Palmer of
Nonesuch, Surrey, had in 1681-2 patented "five thousand acres of land to be
laid out to him in the Province of Pennsylvania" (recorded at Harrisburg, Pa.,
and recited in subsequent deed). Exactly when he left London or when he
arrived in this country is uncertain; it was evidently early in the year
1683.
His brother-in-law, George Palmer, with his wife Elizabeth, sailed for America
later on, in the good ship "Isabell Ann Katherren," Thomas Hutson, Master,
but during the voyage George Palmer died, his will being dated on shipboard
Sept. 4, 1683; "wherein and whereby he did give and bequeath unto his wife
Elizabeth and her heirs forever the amount of 1000 acres of land, part of the
above-mentioned 5000 acres," and appointed her executrix. The original will
has been lost or mislaid, a diligent search in the office of the Register of
Wills
at Philadelphia having failed to reveal it, and the office copy made in 1766
has
been carelessly done. Among the witnesses is the name of "Enoch Coats"
the last two letters being so badly copied that the name might not be Coats.
The probability is that it is, and that he was a younger brother of Thomas
Coates, and came with his sister Elizabeth. He must have died early, as there
is no mention of him in any of the family records and his brother's
affection for
him is shown by the fact that he named his second son Enoch after the "loved
and lost." George Palmer's death upset all Thomas Coates's calculations, and
made it necessary for him to return at once to England to settle up his brother-
in-law's there. He says in his diary: "I left Philadelphia the 19th day of
the 10
(Dec.) '83 and Darby the 20 of the same mon. Choptanke the 3 day of the 11
month, the same day wee got on board the Lively in Herrin Bay and on the 9
day of the 11 month (Jan.) wee came to Purtuxon. And on the 21 wee came to
James River in Virginia, and on the seventh day of the 12 mo. wee wayed
anchor and launched forth into the sea for Ould England. And on ye 25 wee
came ashore at Dover in Kent."
_____________
Edward Coates Sinker - email: sinker(a)globalnet.co.uk
Church Lea
Bosbury
Herefordshire HR8 1PX
U. K.
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Someone asked which MM I found this William which I so fondly refer to as
my William...I found the Quaker record in Quaker Families of South Carolina
& Georgia...I've posted the Coates info to my site under
research....anyway...this book says he was in Newberry and that the Quaker
Records are for the Bush River MM...
This is the index from that book for Coates:
Coate, David 1800 Bush River Kershaw
Henry I b 1770 BR Newberry
Henry II (Capt.) d 1828 BR Newberry
Henry III d 1848 BR Newberry
James d 1806 BR Newberry
James II d 1838 BR Newberry
Jesse 1800 BR Newberry
John I 1780 BR Laurens
John II 1800 BR Newberry
John III 1780 BR Newberry
John IV d.c 1803 BR Newberry
John V 1800 BR Edgefield
"Big" John 1780 BR Newberry
"Little" John d 1802 BR Newberry
Coate, John of Kershaw 1800 BR Kershaw
John of Georgia d.c. 1803 BR Ga/Newberry
Joseph 1778 Wateree Kershaw
Marmaduke I b.c. 1733 BR Newberry
Marmaduke II m 1816 BR Newberry
Moses b 1768 BR Newberry
Samuel I d 1807 BR Newberry
Samuel II b 1772 BR Newberry
Thomas d 1800 BR Newberry
William I d 1783 BR Newberry
William II m 1803 BR Newberry
William III 1800 BR Newberry
Wright d 1808 BR Newberry
Notice they all went to Bush River MM and most lived in Newberry....anyone
got Hinshaw's books for SC....
This book also says about the monthly meetings: Wateree: Also called
Fredericksburg, Camden, and Pine Tree Hill. This monthly meeting was
settled shortly after the arrival of a colony of Irish Quakers in 1751 and
seems to have been set up independently of any other monthly meeting. It
reported directly to London Yearly Meeting up to 1767, when it came under
the care of New Garden Quarterly Meeting in NC. The meeting suffered from
the ravages of war (the Meeting House being destroyed during the
Revolution) and removals to Newberry and Union Counties and was laid down
in 1783. At one time Bush River was under Wateree, but later that
situation was reversed, and the remaining members at Wateree were
transferred on paper to Bush River. The Meeting was located within the
present Quaker cemetery in Camden....(Charlotte note: this is the one that
the records are lost...burned...) Bush River: Largest Meeting in South
Carolina, with its own Monthly Meeting from 1770 until 1822, and its own
Quarterly Meeting for a much briefer time. Meetings for Worship were still
held here with some regularity until around 1840 and occasionally until
about 1856.
More later...not from this book unless some one has something specific..
Best regards,
Charlotte Coats
California Attorney
Phone: 714-505-6660
email:coats@lawyer4u.com
Web site: http://www.cci-internet.com/~coats
Coates Family List: http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/coates-l.htm
Family Trees: http://www.cci-internet.com/~coats/Default.htm
The Ring of Faith: http://mcguigan.javaweb.net/~faith
------------------------------
To Gary and others,
I agree with you that Park's book "The Ancestors and Decendants of Marmaduke Coate of South Carolina and Ohio," is the best source for many Coate lines. He used all first hand documents and Quaker records and then theorized on how the Coate's were related. I suspect it wasn't well received to begin with, as he didn't think that Marmaduke went back through Marmaduke and Ann Pole Coate's lineage. Many of his theories are now turning out to be the most likely patterns, with some exceptions. I hear that the John Coate's in it are a bit mixed up. Anyway, Gary, I think you should get credit for all the typing you did to get that book republished in readable form. It was important contribution. I also hear through Charlotte that you and she are going to be getting that book up on the web. It will be appreciated. Welcome to the group.
<center> LINDA COATE DUDICK
You can view my entire genealogy database
at my HOMEPAGE site: http://users1.ee.net/micromax/gene.htm
</center>
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At 15:50 30/03/97 -0600, Jim Eads wrote:
>Located in Logan Twp., Pike Co., In. There was a"COATES SPRING", formerly
>known as WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS..........Alexander Coates, B 1500,
>Came thru Pa., N C, Ky, and into Indiana.
? B 1500 ? also do you know who Alex's ancestors were. Thanks.
Charlotte Coats also found:
>There is also a Coates' Prairie in Missouri, that is on the map, that's
>were William Coats from SC went...he was a Baptist minister..left the
>Quakers sometime before getting to MO...
Does anybody know about this place?
Just for those collectors, such as myself of odd bits of Coates info -
in Kansas City, MO there is according to a native of the place:
>After I posted you reply I got to thinking about the COATES Family. History
>is a little rusty but Kersey Coates is a very prominent name in KC. He was
>a mayor(I think), a scenic drive is called Kersey Coates Drive, the old
>hotel, a school and the Kersey House Hotel.
Kersey Coates, by the way was descended from Moses and Susanna (Weldon)
Coates who settled in Chester Co., PA from Ireland in 1717. For those who
want to know a little more about him, here is an excerpt from the Coates book
by Truman Coates, 1906:
He was educated for the profession of Law under the Honorable Thaddeus
Stevens of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. He was admitted to the Bar in 1858. He
was much exercised in the difficulties in irregularities in the frontier and
also
in the anti-slave cause before the War of the Rebellion, in both of which he
took active parts.
Kersey was very active in the settlement of Kansas, having seen Kansas
virtually through her trouble he returned to Missouri, locating in Kansas City
where he resided the remainder of his life. He was a Colonel of the 77th
Regiment of E.M.M. which rendered valuable service during the "Price raid"
of 1864.
At the close of the war he returned to the Kansas City and devoted his time
and means to building up the present great city; being one of the main men
to develope its' possiblilities for a commercial center. Public spirited, broad
minded, self reliant, far seeing in making public investments, his integrity
beyond question, he stands the most conspicuous figure in the history of
Kansas City, says an editorial concerning him. "His speech was always wise
and often charmingly illumed with wit. His repartee was almost matchless."
________________
If anybody knows any more about Kersey or his family I would be
interested in hearing about it.
Thank you
Edward Coates Sinker - email: sinker(a)globalnet.co.uk
Church Lea
Bosbury
Herefordshire HR8 1PX
U. K.
------------------------------
Does anyone have a list of Moses (1717- ) and Susanna Weldon Coates children and grandchildren with birthdates and places?
<center> LINDA COATE DUDICK
You can view my entire genealogy database
at my HOMEPAGE site: http://users1.ee.net/micromax/gene.htm
</center>
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just passing this along....
----------
> From: Ronald L. Gilliland <gillronn(a)erinet.com>
> To: Charlotte Coats <coats(a)lawyer4u.com>
> Subject: Re: Military Pensioners
> Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 9:20 AM
>
> Sorry, no Coates, Coats, Coate. Remember, all who served, did not apply!
>
>
> At 08:56 AM 3/31/97 -0800, you wrote:
> >Ron,
> >
> >Are there any Coate, Coates, Coats on that list for military pensions or
> >Rev pensions...
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Charlotte Coats
> >California Attorney
> >Phone: 714-505-6660
> >email:coats@lawyer4u.com
> >Web site: http://www.cci-internet.com/~coats
> >Coates Family List: http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/coates-l.htm
> >Family Trees: http://www.cci-internet.com/~coats/Default.htm
> >The Ring of Faith: http://mcguigan.javaweb.net/~faith
> >
> >----------
> >> From: Ronald L. Gilliland <gillronn(a)ERINET.COM>
> >> To: Multiple recipients of list KYROOTS <KYROOTS(a)LSV.UKY.EDU>
> >> Subject: Military Pensioners
> >> Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 8:04 AM
> >>
> >> Rooters,
> >> It's time to repay some of the favors I have recieved from the persons
on
> >> this list!
> >> I have purchased a book "Kentucky Military Pensioners" 1818-1840. It
> >> contains a list of persons living in KY. who applied for Military
> >Pensions
> >> under the pensions acts of 1818, 1832, 1828 based on service in the
Rev.
> >War
> >> and war of 1812. It gives names, the county they were living in when
they
> >> applied, their rank, the date they applied, thier age and where they
> >served!
> >> There is nothing on thier families. However Birthdates can be surmised
by
> >> thier age and the date they applied!
> >>
> >> I will do lookups for anyone that request it! ( for a limited time) :(
> >>
> >> Ron Gilliland
> >
> >
>
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Just passing this along...
Charlotte
----------
> From: Thomas Moore <tmoore(a)umbc.edu>
> To: Charlotte Coats <coats(a)lawyer4u.com>
> Subject: Re: Coates Family in VA
> Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 6:30 AM
>
> On Sat, 29 Mar 1997, Charlotte Coats wrote:
>
> > I have found a Samuel Coates who owned 300 acres of land in Essex
County VA
> > and a William Coates who owned 50 acres of land in King William County
VA
>
> Charlotte, if you provide some dates for your Samuel Coates in Essex I
may
> be able to assist you.
>
> Tom Moore
> Email: tmoore(a)umbc.edu
> WWW: http://research.umbc.edu/~tmoore/
>
------------------------------
Looks like an interesting site....
Charlotte
----------
> From: Leo & Marilyn Phelps <ljpmap(a)JUNO.COM>
> To: Multiple recipients of list KYROOTS <KYROOTS(a)LSV.UKY.EDU>
> Subject: FTM-Submitter List
> Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 4:40 AM
>
> Hi Researchers: There is a submitter list on-line that is maintained by
> an individual, not Broderbund. It is not complete for all volumes, but
> has many, many listed, along with e-mail links and web page links for
> some. It is:
>
> http://www.inlink.com/~nomi/wftlist.html
>
> If you are not on this list there is a provision to respond to the web
> page owner.
>
> Marilyn
> Leo (Jack)&Marilyn Phelps
> 1010 Louisedale Dr.
> Fort Wayne,Indiana 46808
> (219)483-8690 Voice&Fax
> LJPMAP(a)AOL.COM
------------------------------
Just to add to the confusion I'm seeing some Coates in KY as well....but it
seems in later years...haven't looked closely at this area yet...
Also just a few words or questions on the Parks book, I know that there are
some sources listed in there...but I also think there is quite a bit of
speculation as to relationships...does anyone have any ideas as to how we
verify those relationships...in other lines I have used old county
histories...i.e. the History of Callaway Co. MO gave me William Coates, all
his children, said he had moved to MO from SC and the names of the spouses
of his children...are there any old SC histories...etc...I understand some
of the old old land records will in some instances tell you where people
came from....BTW...we are making arrangements to get that Parks book on the
web for all to see if you are not familiar with it...
If there is the possibility that some of these names are the same person
different locality, which I think is possible...and I think there may be
some other marriages for the same person also...Brett Hope's list for
example...another major obstacle is we all have our roots in the east and
it's difficult to get back there to "see" the actual records...and snail
mail is so slow....we need to document the movement of the person...
Does anyone have any records of Rev Coats...if not I'll try to get some and
post them...those records can be gotten from the national archives and I
understand there is a form on the web you can down load or send for so that
you can order the records...pension records often give spouse's name,
parents and children's names...that includes the civil war as well...also
DAR will allow you for $4.00 to get the DAR applications of members coming
in under listed Patriots...the DAR patriot list is by no means a complete
list...they add to it every year...
I haven't had a chance to look over the stuff posed on the list yet...to
check for records...but if you have specific records for specific
people...let us know...
And also send me your email, if you have not already, to add your name on
the Coates-L List Web Page, give your snail mail address as well unless you
do not want it listed, tell me that also, also give the area you are
researching, the ancestors involved....
Best regards,
Charlotte Coats
California Attorney
Phone: 714-505-6660
email:coats@lawyer4u.com
Web site: http://www.cci-internet.com/~coats
Coates Family List: http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/coates-l.htm
Family Trees: http://www.cci-internet.com/~coats/Default.htm
The Ring of Faith: http://mcguigan.javaweb.net/~faith
------------------------------
passing on some info...Charlotte
----------
> From: mstjean(a)glougal.com
> To: coats(a)lawyer4u.com
> Subject: VA Quakers
> Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 8:08 AM
>
> Hi Charlotte,
> The only names I know of who are buried in Golansville cemetery are
> TERRELL, CHILES, PEATROSS, RICKS, WINSTON, CHEADLE, and MOORMAN. You
> can contact Mary E. Stewart mstewart(a)crosslink.net to see if she has
> more info. She gave me the info about the law suit.
>
> Lots of Coates in my area (Gloucester Co, VA). There is also a Friends
> Church in the area where the Coates live but I don't think it's really a
> Quaker church.
>
> By the way, I'm also an attorney (general practice in small town) What
> kind of practice do you have? Are you on Solosez?
>
> Mary Pettitt St. Jean
> mstjean(a)glougal.com
>
> CO>Mary,
>
> CO>I have just started researching my Coats, Coates, Coate lines in
VA...my
> CO>line were Quakers...do you have any information on whether or not any
> CO>Coates were buried in this cemetery or where would I inquire...
>
> CO>Thanks..
>
> CO>Best regards,
>
> CO>Charlotte Coats
> CO>California Attorney
> CO>Phone: 714-505-6660
> CO>Email:coats@lawyer4u.com
> CO>Web site: http://www.cci-internet.com/~coats
> CO>Coates Family List: COATES-L(a)rootsweb.com
> CO>Family Trees: http://www.cci-internet.com/~coats/Default.htm
> CO>The Ring of Faith: http://mcguigan.javaweb.net/~faith
>
>
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Hi folks...
Have only one COAT(E)S so far...
Martha COAT(E)S b.24 Jun abt 1900
+James Harvey HUFFMAN b.03 May 1897 in Hayes, WA
child: John COAT(E)S HUFFMAN b.26 Jul 1924 in Klickitat
Co., WA
d.05 Jan 1951 in San Antonio,
TX - in veteran hospital.
If anyone has any connections or knows of a family who came to WA, I'd
love to hear.
Thanks, Cyndie
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Brett:
I passed on your Gedcom to the Coate Family Web page and got this response
from Linda Dudick. When I sent in the Gedcom I listed it as coming from you
and I also sent one of mine. When they sent it out on the web they left
your name off the first time then Charlotte Coats corrected it later. I am
ccing this to Linda Dudick so she will know as well. This is good
information to help us correct our files.
E-mail me when you get the chance. This Coates web page is full of action.
Linda:
Thank you for the update and thank you for the complement. The lions share
of this information comes from Brett Hope and is e-mail address is:
bhope(a)gbso.net
He was very generous with his information and I am sending him you note as well.
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This letter is addressed to several people, so everyone should read down to
see if they are addressed. Info in the letter might be of interest to other
Coates, so I'm writing it to the group also.
To John Sharp: I've looked over your lineage cousin. We are related
through Marmaduke and Mary Coppock Coate. I only found a couple errors in
your genealogy from there on back. Your John (3) son of Henry, grandson of
Marmaduke, you have marrying a Mary. This is incorrect. John was married
to Edith Humphries and both are in the Quaker records. You can find all of
his children and their data on my homepage. I suspect you used Park as your
source for John's parents. That is the theory that I still believe also
because of the kinds of records that support it. However, there is one
other good theory out there based on Quaker records only, and that is by
PRof. Dornan. You can look up his notes in Charlotte's homepage. Also,
John Coates who married Esther Doughtery, this took place on Sept. 3, 1727
in Amwell Twp., Hunterdon Co., NJ. You give his brother William as dying on
Dec. 17, 1749. This is not this William's death date. He is believed to be
the William who lived in NC and SC and was possilby married to Rachel Ann
Budd. William Coate who was married to Rebecca Sharp died on Dec. 17,
1749. His will verifies this info. (Please note this Charlotte, as you
were concerned about this 1749 death date for William, son of Samuel.)
Also, in your second lineage sent to Charlotte, you list Marmaduke as the
son of William Henry Coate. This person is only listed as Henry in any
record that has been found for him. He also had a brother William, so I
don't think it likely that he was William Henry. I think this was tacked on
by someone who had always heard that William was Marmaduke's father. It is
still highly possible that Marmaduke's father was the brother of Henry,
named William. In fact, Marmduke's story of buying back Mary from the
Indians works much better if he was the son of William. Hope these little
tidbits help. You've done a wonderful job of gathering the descendants in
this line.
To Charlotte: The info that Thomas was a brother to Marmaduke and John is
simply theory. It comes from Pat Moran, a Coate researcher in Texas who is
not on the computer. His theory, is based on the fact that the Coat of Arms
he used is a variation of the Coat of Arms used by the Coate family in Somerset.
I'll have to write more later. Happy Easter.
LINDA COATE DUDICK
You can view my entire genealogy database
at my HOMEPAGE site: http://users1.ee.net/micromax/gene.htm
John F. Sharp
Corporate Accounts
Sebastiani Vineyards
10700 West 73rd Place
Arvada, CO 80005
United States
Phone 303-420-9497
Fax 303-940-9386
E-mail<johnfrasersharp(a)worldnet.att.net>
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Hi,
I'm looking for parents of Eliza H. COATS.
She was born in Grand Rapids, Mich, about 1877(?)
She married Harry K JENKS and had a son Lawrence Kingsley Jenks
24 Apr 1896 in Haverhill, MA.
Thanks for your help!
-Ken
-Ken Cates, NH <kcates(a)ix.netcom.com>
------------------------------------------------------
Visit my Genealogy HomePage
http://www.gendex.com/users/kcates/surnames.htm
Looking for CATES, PHILLIPS, JENKS, POISSON, and others
------------------------------
Hello everyone...
If you would like to be listed on the Coates-L List Web Page along with
your research area please let me know via email...If you will state in the
subject Coates Research List...I won't get it mixed up with the other
emails...and I can easily gather them for processing...
Name, email and address together with the area your searching, your missing
link etc...check the Coates-L List Web Page where John Coates has his
information posted for an example....
Looking forward to hearing from you and listing and linking the pages...
Best regards,
Charlotte Coats
California Attorney
Phone: 714-505-6660
email:coats@lawyer4u.com
Web site: http://www.cci-internet.com/~coats
Coates Family List: http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/coates-l.htm
Family Trees: http://www.cci-internet.com/~coats/Default.htm
The Ring of Faith: http://mcguigan.javaweb.net/~faith
------------------------------
In thinking about what I have gleaned from my years of research, snd since we now have this newsletter, I would like to share and get feed back from any and all:
I have very limited resources for "old information": The Old Coats Genealogy, Park's Book, 'The Ancestors and Descendants of Marmaduke Coate of SC and Ohio', Collins book, 'Coate, Coates, Coats Family', Moran's book, 'Moran Exodus from Offaly, Staples' book 'My Coats Family, C. Stanton Coats' book 'Coates---Coats and Related Families', C Coats' book 'Coats'. For the most part the first two seem to be what has been used by the others for reaching into our past.
I think Park's work is by far the best that we have from the standpoint of Appendices which he included in his book. I think he is telling us quite plainly that he questions the authenticity of 'The Old Coats Genealogy' by the very fact of its omission. He refers to the land bruhaha in Appendix B1 pp 216-219, but does not ever include the actual Genealogy. Moran, and I am sure others, have actually studied it at the Philadelphia Library and have used it with limited trust. Moran says the quakers were not recording dates much before ca 1620, but yet this old Genealogy has these children marching right along year by year clear back to Moses Coats DOB 1331 and his 10 children born between 1358 and 1384. Quite an accomplishment, and I think mostly contrived for the benifit of some who wanted to get rich quick with proving ownership to down town Philadelphia. One of the things I find most disturbing about the Old Coats G, is there are even two versions of it, one has the second child of Wiliam and Rachel Ann Budd as Thomas(ah! my missing Thomas)! But the other version has the second child of their marriage as Susanna(quite surely not my Thomas!)
If you build Family Group sheets from Parks book one starts with Marmaduke, ca 1552, wife Mary (Marie) Skinner and 5 children. There never is a Mary (Marie) Skinner identified in the OCG. Park then id's a Thomas Coate, wife Jane and 5 children. (is this the Thomas that goes to Ireland?) The third sheet I have developed from Park is for Henry (8 children) (The Elder I think), wife unknown, but the parent of Marmaduke married to Edith Satterwaith. This links to the OCG, but not with the same parentage for Marmaduke. Park then walks us down the generations with:
Marmaduke/Edith Satterwaite (8 children)
Marmaduke/Ann Pole (9children)
William/Deborah Powell (9 children)
William/Elizabeth (?) (12 children)
John/Elizabeth Humphries (5 children)(Son John early into America Land Grant (from Penn)
William/Elizabeth (8 children)
Marmaduke/Salhijah Kelly (8 children)
Samuel/Mary Sauders (6 children)(son William married Rachel Ann Budd???)
John/Esther Doughty (8 children)
Henry/Deborah Newbold (12 children)
Henry/ Esther (Hester) Willson (4 children)(son Marmaduke married Mary (Coppock????)
William/Rachel Ann Budd (12 children)(son Marmaduke married Mary (Coppock???)
(son Thomas{my missing Thomas????})
Marmaduke/Sarah Mathis (2children)
Thomas/Elizabeth King (10 children all around Hunterdon who are they?)
William/ Rebecca Alleln French Sharp (one son, Barzilla, had 4 children)
Daniel/Sarah Mills (6children)
John/Rachel Wright (7children)
John/Susanna Ennis (10 children)
John/Mary McQuiston (7 children)
Thomas/ Sarah Ann (7 children and my line)
Now independent research in the Philadelphia area has brought into the picture four Coats men and their mother Joan (Clemson) Coats:
William/Mary Smith/Rachel Dubois (9 children)
Thomas/Elizabeth Pegg (7 children)
George/Gracy Snead (1 child)
John/Mary Heele (Hale) (10 children)(brings in the "Warick" name)
Plus Henry/Elizabeth Walker Coats (Which one of Parks or the OCG is this man) (10 children one of whom is the Thomas of Philadelphia that married Beulah Jaques.) Also sons John and William followed brother Thomas to America) There are a bunch of this line around Philadelphia believe me.
Not to be forgotten Moses Coates the founder of Coatesville PA arriving from Ireland son of ??? (Thomas) from Park's Book? (8 children) One of whom, number 5, William is reported to have died single and unmarried. Isn't that the same thing?
Have I provided enough spring boards to have every one in the water? If not feel free to jump from the edge and lets get some of these folks nailed down. Pet theory of mine, "many of these are the same people and we have given them separate identities when they belong to "a same family".
How about some English research? or is that too far back for us yet?
How about all these people in Philadelphia? Can we locate and nail down Ports of Entry and dates? How many of them moved down to SC? George is interesting because of name George not being too common but there he is in Philadelphia (with a son William) and also a George in Charleston SC, serving in Rev War.
I quit!!!
Gary Coats:þ
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Located in Logan Twp., Pike Co., In. There was a"COATES SPRING", formerly
known as WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS. The historic old Hotel has been torn down
and replaced by a private home. The mineral springs remain and have been
tapped. Many years ago people came from far and wide to bathe in the
mineral springs, it was a "cure all" for what ailed you.
Coates located in Pike and surrounding counties probably origanated from
Alexander Coates, B 1500, Came thru Pa., N C, Ky, and into Indiana.
Above is one of those "for what it is worth" information jewels.
There is a small book on "COATES SPRINGS" in the library at
Petersburg, In.
Jim Eads
Princeton, In.
Researching the Following Names: BARNES BEASLEY EADS DILLS JENKINS
MAHAN MILEY MITCHELL O'NEAL PARISH RUDISEL ST0UGHTON
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This letter is addressed to several people, so everyone should read down to see if they are addressed. Info in the letter might be of interest to other Coates, so I'm writing it to the group also.
To John Sharp: I've looked over your lineage cousin. We are related through Marmaduke and Mary Coppock Coate. I only found a couple errors in your genealogy from there on back. Your John (3) son of Henry, grandson of Marmaduke, you have marrying a Mary. This is incorrect. John was married to Edith Humphries and both are in the Quaker records. You can find all of his children and their data on my homepage. I suspect you used Park as your source for John's parents. That is the theory that I still believe also because of the kinds of records that support it. However, there is one other good theory out there based on Quaker records only, and that is by PRof. Dornan. You can look up his notes in Charlotte's homepage. Also, John Coates who married Esther Doughtery, this took place on Sept. 3, 1727 in Amwell Twp., Hunterdon Co., NJ. You give his brother William as dying on Dec. 17, 1749. This is not this William's death date. He is believed to be the William who lived in NC and SC and was possilby married to Rachel Ann Budd. William Coate who was married to Rebecca Sharp died on Dec. 17, 1749. His will verifies this info. (Please note this Charlotte, as you were concerned about this 1749 death date for William, son of Samuel.) Also, in your second lineage sent to Charlotte, you list Marmaduke as the son of William Henry Coate. This person is only listed as Henry in any record that has been found for him. He also had a brother William, so I don't think it likely that he was William Henry. I think this was tacked on by someone who had always heard that William was Marmaduke's father. It is still highly possible that Marmaduke's father was the brother of Henry, named William. In fact, Marmduke's story of buying back Mary from the Indians works much better if he was the son of William. Hope these little tidbits help. You've done a wonderful job of gathering the descendants in this line.
To Charlotte: The info that Thomas was a brother to Marmaduke and John is simply theory. It comes from Pat Moran, a Coate researcher in Texas who is not on the computer. His theory, is based on the fact that the Coat of Arms he used is a variation of the Coat of Arms used by the Coate family in Somerset.
I'll have to write more later. Happy Easter.
<center> LINDA COATE DUDICK
You can view my entire genealogy database
at my HOMEPAGE site: http://users1.ee.net/micromax/gene.htm
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Dear Sir,
You may want to add to the list of Coatesvilles the following:
Coatesville, Schuyler County, Missouri
I have no idea which remote cousin named the town.
Regards.
Paul Coats
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