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Hi Sue
We really need to get hold of more of these wills. There is a list of about
100 that I need from the CRO. Some of them, like this one, are critical
evidence. I have been reluctant paying for so many copies myself.
People followed the rules closely back then, and women couldnt own property
in their own right, only through their menfolk*. Richard wouldnt leave
anything to Grace if she wasnt a widow, it would have to go to her husband.
Grandsons John and Richard were likely the legitimate heirs down the line of
the eldest son.
Living son William gets only the old clothes. The only time I have seen this
happen before is when the son was both absent and illegitimate. That wouldnt
be the case here but does imply some sort of incapacity or falling-out (and
also that William was about the same size as Richard!).
It is always surprising to us how keen these people were to dispose of their
bedding and clothes correctly. I must change my will. But they didnt own
much.
Like you I have this will down, sight unseen, as that of Richard Coad 1708
who maried Honor Harrice, but that doesnt look right at all.
I have having a lot of trouble with this one - I am not finding any Richard
Coad with daughter in law Grace, even among the non-Truro families.
Daughter-in-law sometimes meant a stepdaughter, but then she wouldnt be
COAD. Can anyone else crack this?
JF
* OK I know there were a lot of ways around this.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Etherington" <pesetherington(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <COAD(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:45 AM
Subject: [COAD] The Coads of Kea
>I have a copy of the will of Richard COAD of Kea written on 25 September
>1772 (administered 1773) and wonder whether it is indeed the will of
>Richard Coad 1708 as I had originally assumed because I cannot reconcile
>the people referred to with his known descendants.
>
> The gist of the will was that his daughter in law Grace COAD and grandson
> John COAD were 'full and soall executors'. 'If Grace should chance to
> marry she is only to have the bed I now lye on'. Does this necessarily
> imply she was a widow?
>
> Grandson Richard COAD was to have one third of his stamping mill 'situate
> in Kea'.
>
> Son William was to have all his wearing apparel.
>
> Can anyone shed a light on this please? Richard left his 'sine'. Were
> the relationships referred to actually written incorrectly?
>
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I have a copy of the will of Richard COAD of Kea written on 25 September 1772 (administered 1773) and wonder whether it is indeed the will of Richard Coad 1708 as I had originally assumed because I cannot reconcile the people referred to with his known descendants.
The gist of the will was that his daughter in law Grace COAD and grandson John COAD were 'full and soall executors'. 'If Grace should chance to marry she is only to have the bed I now lye on'. Does this necessarily imply she was a widow?
Grandson Richard COAD was to have one third of his stamping mill 'situate in Kea'.
Son William was to have all his wearing apparel.
Can anyone shed a light on this please? Richard left his 'sine'. Were the relationships referred to actually written incorrectly?
Sue,
I have read your e-mial with interest and although I cannot answer your
questions on the will, I have a question for you. I have been looking for a
Richard Coad who was married to an Elizabeth Hore/Hoare. Do you have
anything in your line of Coad's that connect the Hoare name to the Coad
name. One possibility is that they married and lived around the Truro area,
which Kea is a part of, and had descendents who lived in that same area. Kea
and Kenwyn are not that far from each other. Since Cornish families like to
hand down names from Grandfather to eldest grandson and grandmother to
eldest granddaugter, I am wondering if your Richard Coad is related to my
Richard Coad.
Russ Coad
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Of Sue Etherington
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:45 AM
To: COAD(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [COAD] The Coads of Kea
I have a copy of the will of Richard COAD of Kea written on 25 September
1772 (administered 1773) and wonder whether it is indeed the will of Richard
Coad 1708 as I had originally assumed because I cannot reconcile the people
referred to with his known descendants.
The gist of the will was that his daughter in law Grace COAD and grandson
John COAD were 'full and soall executors'. 'If Grace should chance to marry
she is only to have the bed I now lye on'. Does this necessarily imply she
was a widow?
Grandson Richard COAD was to have one third of his stamping mill 'situate in
Kea'.
Son William was to have all his wearing apparel.
Can anyone shed a light on this please? Richard left his 'sine'. Were the
relationships referred to actually written incorrectly?
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This CRO ref I would like to see Nigel!
Yes there was only one Marjorie, it is a rare name in Cornwall.
The problem we have here is that Edward's brother William is (apparently)
the common ancestor of the Coodes and the North Hill family, so if Edward is
our ancestor - where did Mr Callaway insert his oar to give our different
DNA? For this reason I have been inclined to think that perhaps the related
Pelynt line is ours. This Pelynt line appears to lead to my family which
also has the Callaway DNA.
The answer is in here somewhere - I guess we will just have to keep poking
around until we find it.
Russell Coad and I have calmed down (he actually took all his trees off
worldconnect and ancestry so I couldnt use them!). His major concern is not
so much that I am abstracting the information, but that I have drawn several
conclusions from the data (which is what I do in my day job) and he thinks
that has no place in genealogy. Perhaps he is right, so we have compromised.
Best, good to hear from you.
Joe
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From: "the Coads" <the-manor(a)freeuk.com>
To: <coad(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [COAD] THE BOOK OF COAD - WHAT IT IS AND IS NOT
> Hi Joe
>
> Sorry Ive not been in touch recently but have kept up with the
> correspondance. I totally agree with your approach on a general discourse
> of
> the origins of the Coads referencing more detailed trees. There is no
> practical alternative for such a vast piece of work.
>
> I revisted your chapter on the Loee/Lansallos Coads and came across an old
> CRO reference which I think supports your conjecture on the early tree. I
> think this is Nicholas Coad eldest son of Edward and Marjorie and further
> ties this family by occupation and residence to Looe. I havent seen Chap
> 4.
> Where do you think Edward and Marjorie came from, Are they Edward and
> Marjorie of Lansallos as per the wills 1601 and 1616?
>
> Best of luck with all ongoing endeavors!!!
>
> Nigel
>
> CRO Ref. DC/Loo/I/159
>
> 1598
> Deposition of Anna, w. of Jn. Cardue of West Looe: dispute between Nich.
>
> Coade, blacksmith, and mayor of Looe, Coade being 'most
>
> unmannerly ...' and uncivill'
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Flood" <coad(a)one-name.org>
> To: <coad(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 2:10 PM
> Subject: [COAD] THE BOOK OF COAD - WHAT IT IS AND IS NOT
>
>
>> http://coadcoode.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/book-of-coad-what-it-is-and-is-n...
>>
>> I'm getting a few negative coments about first drafts of partial chapters
>> of the Coad book I have sent out to family historians. Some are on
>> matters
>> of serious principle - and where criticisms have been constructive I will
>> take them on board. This is an evolving process - and to a fair extent a
>> group effort. If you'd like to have a go at the part that covers your own
>> Coads - let me know (coad at one-name dot org)
>>
>> JF
>>
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Since posting my query about the identity of the William COAD c.1786 who married Grace WEBB in Feock in 1813 I have established that the record of the marriage of Ann CHIPMAN to William in Mawgan in Pydar in the COPC database was based on records incorrectly transcribed by Phillimore. They have sent me a copy of the original entry confirming that she actually married his brother Thomas. They are amending the record to show that she did not marry William. I am now having a wonderful time researching my g.g.grandmother Ann COAD's ancestry.
I do not have the baptism for Grace WEBB but there are two children baptised to John and Ann WEBB in Feock, Ann in 1789 and John in 1792 and the 1851 census entry has that she was born in Feock.
Regarding the Feock parish records, many were badly damaged by water and I presume that some have now been restored by staff at the Devon Record Office. I have CFHS CDs covering baptisms 1676-1812, marriages 1671-1837 and burials 1813-37 bought about four years ago - before I knew of the existence of the COPC database! From what has been written here, this implies that many of those entries had only been transcribed or restored comparatively recently.
I am presuming that the problems referred to for the other COAD family in the Feock area stem from the ancestry of the children baptised to Richard in Kea/Kenwyn between 1739 and 1756? I had always hoped to connect my Feock COADS to that family as I have other close connections with one of their descendants and was hoping to be able to share the joys of researching with her.
Sue.
http://coadcoode.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/book-of-coad-what-it-is-and-is-n...
I'm getting a few negative coments about first drafts of partial chapters of the Coad book I have sent out to family historians. Some are on matters of serious principle - and where criticisms have been constructive I will take them on board. This is an evolving process - and to a fair extent a group effort. If you'd like to have a go at the part that covers your own Coads - let me know (coad at one-name dot org)
JF
Yes he is one of the tough ones Sue, has caused me much trouble and
argument. I was just writing up the family last month - it's funny we should
have yet another contribution to the controversy right now .
One major problem is that the Feock parish registers have been claimed lost
after 1772 - this is documented in the OPC site. I dont have any of those
baptisms you quote, are you saying that CFHS has them? That is big news to
me! There was a second large Coad family, probably unrelated, in Feock at
almost the same time, who have also caused me big problems.
As it stands, I have taken him as William Coad bp 1786 Mawgan in Pydar
Cornwall, son of John Coad and Ann (Nancy) Glanville, as this is the only
William available. The children's names are an excellent match for the
Glanvilel family. It was his brother Thomas who married Ann Chipman 1807 -
see familysearch.
Im a bit uncomfortable about this as Feock was a fair way from Mawgan and
hardly a Brannel Coad hangout - it was the home parish of the main line of
Truro Coads.
William 1787 married Frances, as you say. William 1794 St Ewe married Ann
Kitto (we have had major arguments over this, but the childrens names are a
perfect match). Theres also William ~1789 who married Ann Key in 1821
Lanhydrock.
I have the children of William/Grace as Elizabeth ~1814, Ann ~1816, John
~1817 Kea, Mary 1819 Feock, William ~1822 , James ~1825 Samuel ~1828,
Richard ~1831 which is pretty close to what you have except that I am
missing six baptisms.
You can see the family tree I am using at rootsweb worldconnect, database
'brannelcoads" - Id appreciate it if you could flip through it and see if it
matches what you have.
Did you also find a Feock baptism for Grace Webb ~1788?
We probably wont settle this until we find a male Coad descendant of William
and Grace and get them to take a DNA test. I have several such listed.
Best regards
Joe Flood
Coad/Coode project
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From: "Sue Etherington" <pesetherington(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <COAD(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:02 AM
Subject: [COAD] William Coad c.1786 Cornwall
> Dear List,
>
> I have recently found on a subscription site, via information provided by
> the CFHS, the baptism of my direct ancestor Ann Coad 19 October 1817
> Feock, Cornwall and am having great difficulty identify the birth place of
> her father William Coad so wonder if anyone on the List can help please.
>
> He is only in the 1841 census at Chywine Kea aged 50. I believe he was
> buried aged 59, 29 January 1845 Kea, giving a birth year of about 1786.
>
> He married Grace Webb 20 February 1813 in Feock. (I can't find her
> baptism although the 1851 census has her as born in Feock c.1788, possibly
> to a John and Ann Webb)
>
> His children were -
>
> John bap. 16 July 1815 Feock, who married Johanna Hean 13 May 1845 St.
> Clement Truro and initially settled in St. George Hanover Square,
> Middlesex.
> Ann bap. 19 October 1817 Feock who married Stephen Sara 13 February 1837
> Mylor and remained in the area.
> Mary bap. 31 October 1819 Feock who married Joseph Gerrans 29 July 1841
> Perranarworthal, but lived in Kea at the time and remained in the area.
> William bap. 16 December 1821 Feock, who married Mary Ann Travis 18 August
> 1853 Kenwyn and remained in the parish.
> James bap. 14 April 1824 Feock who married Ann Tillson 16 September 1855
> St. Marylebone Parish Church, Middlesex.
> Samuel bap. 31 December 1826 Feock, not yet traced after the 1851 census
> in Quenchwell Kea when he was aged 23 and a farm labourer.
> Richard c.1831, no baptism found and not yet traced after the 1851 census
> when he was 20, an unmarried tin smelter.
>
> I have traced most of these families at least up until the 1911 census.
>
> The only possible baptisms I've found for William are -
>
> 19 February 1786 Mawgan in Pydar to John and Anne, but he appears to have
> married Anne Chipman in the same parish in 1807.
> 27 May 1787 Bodmin, to Samuel and Mary, but he may have married Frances
> Michell in Stoke Damerel in 1810.
> 27 April 1794 St. Ewe to Samuel and Elizabeth, but William does not appear
> to have a daughter named Elizabeth, although there is an Elizabeth Harris
> aged 37 (c.1814) with Grace Coad widow in the 1851 census. I haven't
> found a Harris/Coad marriage so far.
>
> Thank you in anticipation.
>
> Sue.
>
>
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Dear List,
I have recently found on a subscription site, via information provided by the CFHS, the baptism of my direct ancestor Ann Coad 19 October 1817 Feock, Cornwall and am having great difficulty identify the birth place of her father William Coad so wonder if anyone on the List can help please.
He is only in the 1841 census at Chywine Kea aged 50. I believe he was buried aged 59, 29 January 1845 Kea, giving a birth year of about 1786.
He married Grace Webb 20 February 1813 in Feock. (I can't find her baptism although the 1851 census has her as born in Feock c.1788, possibly to a John and Ann Webb)
His children were -
John bap. 16 July 1815 Feock, who married Johanna Hean 13 May 1845 St. Clement Truro and initially settled in St. George Hanover Square, Middlesex.
Ann bap. 19 October 1817 Feock who married Stephen Sara 13 February 1837 Mylor and remained in the area.
Mary bap. 31 October 1819 Feock who married Joseph Gerrans 29 July 1841 Perranarworthal, but lived in Kea at the time and remained in the area.
William bap. 16 December 1821 Feock, who married Mary Ann Travis 18 August 1853 Kenwyn and remained in the parish.
James bap. 14 April 1824 Feock who married Ann Tillson 16 September 1855 St. Marylebone Parish Church, Middlesex.
Samuel bap. 31 December 1826 Feock, not yet traced after the 1851 census in Quenchwell Kea when he was aged 23 and a farm labourer.
Richard c.1831, no baptism found and not yet traced after the 1851 census when he was 20, an unmarried tin smelter.
I have traced most of these families at least up until the 1911 census.
The only possible baptisms I've found for William are -
19 February 1786 Mawgan in Pydar to John and Anne, but he appears to have married Anne Chipman in the same parish in 1807.
27 May 1787 Bodmin, to Samuel and Mary, but he may have married Frances Michell in Stoke Damerel in 1810.
27 April 1794 St. Ewe to Samuel and Elizabeth, but William does not appear to have a daughter named Elizabeth, although there is an Elizabeth Harris aged 37 (c.1814) with Grace Coad widow in the 1851 census. I haven't found a Harris/Coad marriage so far.
Thank you in anticipation.
Sue.
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William R. Coad is George S. Coad Sir's brother. I was mistaken. There is no brother named Michael. I am one of George Coad's daughter.
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Isabel, I'm in regular correspondence with a first cousin of yours Judy. If you'd like to get in touch, please contact me on coad at one-name dot org
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OK I guess George must be the fourth son of William George Coad 1898 who came to Cleveland 1913 and Annie Isabelle Campbell. The brothers I have are Richard A Coad 1921, William R Coad 1923 and Philip Coad 1925, plus Margaret Cambell Coad who married Diaczun
Dont have a Michael. Was he born after 1930?
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George Stanley Coad Sr. of Clevland has three brothers (Richard, Phillip, Michael), also eleven children (Georgia,Mary, Janet, George Jr., Frank, Phillip, Isabel, nancy, Helen, Michael, William). First wife and mother of the eleven children is Helen Virginia Coad, maiden name Powell. Both George and Helen are deceased.
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