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Russ
What dates are we talking about for your family
Are any of these from CFHS possibles?
Nigel Coad
Richard COAD Elizabeth HORE 17 Nov 1805 Kenwyn
Mary Ann COAD dau of Richard COAD & Elizabeth - 13-Jun 1813 St Michael
Penkivel
Mary Ann COAD dau of Richard COAD & Elizabeth - 29-Oct 1818 Truro, St Mary's
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Subject: [COAD] Mary Ann Coad
> Now that there is a collection of Coad names under different family lines,
I
> am hoping that someone recognizes the name Mary Ann coad who married a
> Richard Pincombe.
> Her father was Richard Coad and her mother was Elizabeth Orr (Or?)(Ore?).
> Elizabeth Orr had a sister named Sophia Orr. The Orr sister's father was
> Richard Orr. The family may have lived up around the Swansea area. If
anyone
> recognizes any of these names in their Coad lines, I would really like to
be
> in touch with them.
> Thanks
>
> Russ Coad
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I am a desc. of John Lee Parsons, father of George R. Parsons, etc including
Frank Parsons/Mary Coad. I note on Ancestry that they have living desc and am
interested in contacting them for additional research. Any help would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Don Parsons
Norwalk, Ia
Mostly we are using DNA to determine whether particular lines of COADs are related - but weve already been able to use it a couple of times to augment and improve the paper trail. We mentioned the example already where we knew someone outside our project must be an Ontario Coad and then made use of the Canada 1900 and 1851 census to find their ancestors.
Alex Coad, based in France, recently joined our project and explained that his ancestor was William Woodley Coad, a tea salesman of Tormoham Devon. Now I had William Woodley down on the "devoncoads" database as being one of the Ermington Coads - because his parents were married in Yealmpton in 1816 and his father Richard reasonably appeared to be Richard 1793 of Modbury, a grandson of Robert 1722 Ermington. But DNA was telling us that Alex was not an Ermington Coad.
So I went back through it all again, much more carefully. First I noted that William Woodley was using the names Cod, Coad and Code interchangeably. Then I found that William Woodley's mother was not in fact a widow in the 1851 census as I had thought, even though she was looking after the family on her own and the family poulterer business had passed to another relative. So I searched for father Richard in 1851, and there he was in Exeter gaol, described as "Richard Codd, 1798, poulterer, Diptford Devon". There had in fact been Codds in Diptford and nearby South Brent for a long time, where they administered the poor law among other things. Diptford is not in the IGI, so we will need to get hold of the original parish records in order to follow the line further back, because thats where Alex's ancestors are.
What this does mean is we need to be careful in West Devon as two unrelated or distantly related Coad/Codd families are occupying the same spaces. Lets hope it doesnt come to that in Cornwall!
If anyone else knows of William Woodley Coad - Im sure Alex would love to hear from you.
Joe Flood
PS Its not recorded why Richard Codd was in gaol - maybe he sold a bad chook.
Hi Joe - My grandmother grew up in the home of her grandfather, John F.
Coad, who emigrated from Wexford, Ireland, before making a fortune in
the cattle business in Western Nebraska. Would love to say hello to the
Canadian folks you mentioned. How can I get in contact with them?
Pat O'Neill
Kansas City
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Theres no doubt Y-DNA testing is a great new tool in our arsenal. It can
turn the likely into the certain - and also the "we hope it's like that"
to the "oh no it isnt, lets look harder"
We have now finished the first phase of the study (see
www.familytreedna/coadcoode. By popular request we extended it to
include non-Cornish/Devon COADs; and a few very similar names, so in
three months we already have 11 members. But we need more, quite a lot
more. COAD is turning out to be even more complex than I thought.
First the good news - for the Looe and Ontario Coads. As Edwin reported,
he had a perfect match with his distant cousin Nigel, which means the
Looe line is "good" right back to 1720 at least.
The same thing happened when a couple of Canadian Coads joined up, one a
known descendant of the Codds of Wexford Ireland. They had some really
unusual DNA of a type known as E3b that is usually regarded as "Moorish"
or semitic, and which probably dates back to the settlement of Roman
soldiers. I found a second lady whose dad had exactly the same DNA, and
Zoe and I were able to extend her list of ancestors and propose a
Wexford family for her.
So we know now that the Wexford Codds are a unique group with a really
obvious DNA signature.
Now the bad news is for the Devon and mainline Cornish Coads. Our
Northill Coad did not match the Looe Coads (or anyone else much). So we
are going to need to do more work with the North Hill and St Ive Coads.
Devon has always been a real tangle of similar-looking surnames - COUD;
CODD; COARD; COWDE; COYDE CAWDE COYTE; CLOAD - and it's not too
surprising if more than one of these families adopted the COAD variant.
That seems to be the case - we now have two Devon Coads with distantly
related but different DNA - and they were both considered to be of
Ermington descent (for one of them - not with great confidence).
---------------------------------------------
COAD is a difficult surname to study because it is short and simple and
just too easy for someone with a similar name to convert to. I have at
least 20 families who did precisely that in "recent" times (after 1841)
- and before that it may well have been worse. But once we get enough
takers for the DNA test - I'm expecting the main lines as expressed in
the census analysis will become clear.
Joe Flood
administrator - COAD Y-DNA project
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Theres no doubt Y-DNA testing is a great new tool in our arsenal. It can turn the likely into the certain - and also the "we hope it's like that" to the "oh no it isnt, lets look harder"
We have now finished the first phase of the study (see www.familytreedna/coadcoode. By popular request we extended it to include non-Cornish/Devon COADs; and a few very similar names, so in three months we already have 11 members. But we need more, quite a lot more. COAD is turning out to be even more complex than I thought.
First the good news - for the Looe and Ontario Coads. As Edwin reported, he had a perfect match with his distant cousin Nigel, which means the Looe line is "good" right back to 1720 at least.
The same thing happened when a couple of Canadian Coads joined up, one a known descendant of the Codds of Wexford Ireland. They had some really unusual DNA of a type known as E3b that is usually regarded as "Moorish" or semitic, and which probably dates back to the settlement of Roman soldiers. I found a second lady whose dad had exactly the same DNA, and Zoe and I were able to extend her list of ancestors and propose a Wexford family for her.
So we know now that the Wexford Codds are a unique group with a really obvious DNA signature.
Now the bad news is for the Devon and mainline Cornish Coads. Our Northill Coad did not match the Looe Coads (or anyone else much). So we are going to need to do more work with the North Hill and St Ive Coads.
Devon has always been a real tangle of similar-looking surnames - COUD; CODD; COARD; COWDE; COYDE CAWDE COYTE; CLOAD - and it's not too surprising if more than one of these families adopted the COAD variant. That seems to be the case - we now have two Devon Coads with distantly related but different DNA - and they were both considered to be of Ermington descent (for one of them - not with great confidence).
---------------------------------------------
COAD is a difficult surname to study because it is short and simple and just too easy for someone with a similar name to convert to. I have at least 20 families who did precisely that in "recent" times (after 1841) - and before that it may well have been worse. But once we get enough takers for the DNA test - I'm expecting the main lines as expressed in the census analysis will become clear.
Joe Flood
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I have finally finished my analysis of COADs etc in the 1881 census. This follows earlier analysis of the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census and took almost a month full time.
This was harder than the previous ones because many of the original Cornish families had left abroad, while others had gone to London. Families from elsewhere (mostly CODDs) adopted the name Coad as it became better known - because it was easier to pronounce in mainstream English dialect. These London and non-West Country families have taken up most of my time.
TOTAL COAD(E) COOD(E) in 1881 England - 815 persons. Of these 33 are typos or mistakes. 26 (3%) I could not identify.
Heres the results by area of origin.
Central Cornwall 340 (45%)
Devon Border 136 (17%)
Coode of Breage 49 (6%)
Lizard 61 (8%)
Devon 47 (6%)
Not West Country 123 (16%)
The breakdown in each area by family or "clan" with an identified ancestor is
Central - St Stephens I (Anthony) 153; St Stephens II (Theo) 61; Gilbert 45; Perran 61; Enoder 10; Crowan 10
Border - Northill 41 Liskeard 70 Looe 19 Lamerton 6
Not West Country - about 20 different families. larger ones include Dover 30; Suffolk 16; Currer (London) 10; Manners 8
Joe Flood
CoadCoode One-name study
Now that there is a collection of Coad names under different family lines, I
am hoping that someone recognizes the name Mary Ann coad who married a
Richard Pincombe.
Her father was Richard Coad and her mother was Elizabeth Orr (Or?)(Ore?).
Elizabeth Orr had a sister named Sophia Orr. The Orr sister's father was
Richard Orr. The family may have lived up around the Swansea area. If anyone
recognizes any of these names in their Coad lines, I would really like to be
in touch with them.
Thanks
Russ Coad
Joe
I think "Alhambra College, St Johns Hampstead" is actually Alhambra Cottage - not quite as interesting, I fear.
Had a look for anything about a Martha Peers but nothing so far. IGI didn't have their marriage and nothing immediately stood out for a baptism. Might be interesting to do a bit more research.
Alison
> Joe Flood <joeflood(a)bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> Amazing piece of detective work Alison. I had almost everything you had
> -
> but never put it together. And I have been looking at it for six months.
> Just shows the value of forums.
>
> I am accepting John Peers Coad of Lancs tentatively as a son of Richard
> Coad 1784 Liskeard and Martha (Peers?) - based on your circumstantial
> evidence:
>
> - Richard etc were in Lancs about the right time
> - John P's eldest son is Robert Fowell Coad and Richard's mother is
> Rebecca
> Fowell.
> - "Lallah" Coad aged 4 of Lancs is with her grandfather Richard in 1851.
> Elizabeth Coad aged 4 is missing from her home with John P.
> - John P works for a tea merchant and that was Richard's occupation
>
> Now its a little odd that John P was left behind as a clerk while his
> sisters were all off marrying exciting foreigners. Also John P was born
> ~1817 - leaving a fairly substantial gap with Rebecca ~1824. Maybe there
> are
> more siblings hanging round?
>
> Were you able to find out what "Alhambra College, St Johns Hampstead"
> was,
> by the way? Sounds exotic, but I cant locate it.
>
> Joe Flood
> CoadCoode onename study
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Alison
John Peers Coad the bookkeeper of Lancs has been one of my big strays - his
family later spread out through Cheshire. As I couldnt find any Cornwall
connection I thought he was Irish. You may have possibly cracked it Alison -
perhaps I should have got you guys onto my thorniest problems before this!
(never thought of Lalla being short for Elizabeth) However - I remain
suspicious that they would have left a son behind in Lancashire - and cant
work out what the PEERS is all about, unless that is mother Martha's name.
Now I spent all afternon tracking down the daughters, and very rewarding it
has been. To some extent I wasted my time as you had already discovered the
von der Medens, and even got the spouses. That was hard work as the name was
usually mis-spelt - good job. Did you notice though how much loot she and
her husband the mysterious Hamburg merchant banker von der Meden
accumulated? Martha Fowell Coad is possibly the richest person ever to bear
the name Coad (etc), even more than the St Austell Coodes or England's top
businesswoman, Eleanor Coade herself. After the London mansion in which they
even had a "page" amongst their many servants, they retired to a nice little
place along the Brighton foreshore (keeping the page in tow). Not bad for 3
generations from yeoman farmer.
**However** - I did manage to track down a third daughter (the eldest
Rebecca is too hard - I think she married a Frenchman and disappeared).
Mary (Frances) Coad was not swept off her feet by lucre but by culture. She
married a Swiss music professor and composer Charles Albert Caspar Q1 1853,
and they had 7 children in Lambeth and Germany (3 d.i)
1881 census. Brixton Lambeth. Charles A Caspar (57, Professor of music,
Switzerland) and Mary F (55, Liverpool) with Alberta (27, London, Governess
Deli) Eugenie (24, Do, Do) Evellyne (17, Do, Do) Cecil A (15, Do, Junior
clerk) Vistor Eliza Toussaint (89, Notts Newark) ladies maid, Cook,
housemaid, 3 pupils.
Charles Caspar was well known enough to feature in some European musicology
biographies. They were pretty well off for musos, having 3 servants in 1881.
Joe
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Lalah COAD 1851 census & Tea merchants
>
>
> On the track now, I checked 1851 census and they're all there; and then
> FreeBMD for John P & Elizabeth's son Robert F Coad and there he is Robert
> Towell COAD in Sep1/4 1840 Liverpool. Surely the Towell has to FOWELL from
> his ancestress Rebecca?
>
> So is John P born abt 1817 the son of Richard and Martha? I have no
marriage
> data for them but the ages fit.
> FreeBMD has a possible marriage for a John Coad & Elizabeth Townsend
Jun1/4
> 1838 at Gt Broughton, Cheshire.
>
> Had a hard time finding this family in 1841 but eventually found as COOD,
in
> Liverpool, John, Elizabeth and Robert (middle name Powell this time).
>
> Perhaps another piece fits into the giant COAD puzzle.
>
> Alison
>
>
>
Joe asked,
" So - who is Lallah Coad 1847? (a diminutive) Where did Richard train as a
(presumably academic) chemist? What did the family do in Lancashire and
Newcastle from 1825? What happened to all the girls? Any ideas anyone?"
FreeBMD has an Elizabeth Mary COAD born Mar1/4 1847 Liverpool. Thinking
that this may be her I checked in 1861 census and Elizabeth is with her
family - parents John P Coad (age 44 b Liverpool abt 1817)and Elizabeth.
NOTE that John P is a Bookkeeper (Tea Merchant). Looks like a bit of a
connection there??
On the track now, I checked 1851 census and they're all there; and then
FreeBMD for John P & Elizabeth's son Robert F Coad and there he is Robert
Towell COAD in Sep1/4 1840 Liverpool. Surely the Towell has to FOWELL from
his ancestress Rebecca?
So is John P born abt 1817 the son of Richard and Martha? I have no marriage
data for them but the ages fit.
FreeBMD has a possible marriage for a John Coad & Elizabeth Townsend Jun1/4
1838 at Gt Broughton, Cheshire.
Had a hard time finding this family in 1841 but eventually found as COOD, in
Liverpool, John, Elizabeth and Robert (middle name Powell this time).
Perhaps another piece fits into the giant COAD puzzle.
Alison
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Sent: Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:59 PM
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Subject: [COAD] John Coad tea dealer Plymouth Dock
Hi Alison
>
That is big news to me. I have been having problems with that Richard
1784 - and I missed that Exeter 1841 entry - couldnt work out who they
were.
>
1841 census. Paris St St Sidwell Exeter. Richd Coad (57, tea dealer) and
Martha (50) with Rebecca (17) Mary (16) Elizabeth (14) 1 FS. All born out of
Devon.
>
I have been puzzling over the following 1851 entry for some time
>
1851 Census. Alhambra College, St Johns Hampstead. Richard Coad (66,
Liskeard, Chemist) and Rebecca (24) Mary (23), Aligh (22) all Liverpool,
Martha (21) Northumberland. 2 adult visitors, Lallah Coad (4, Lancashire)
,Thomas Marham (9, Huddersfield Yorkshire), Cook and Housemaid
>
It is definitely the same family - but the daughters have all lost three
years in age during the long journey to Hampstead.
>
It is making me wonder whether the a2a entry is wrong and it should have
been "Richard Coad tea dealer Plymouth". Or else he got his young brother
involved as well.
>
So - who is Lallah Coad 1847? (a diminutive) Where did Richard train as a
(presumably academic) chemist? What did the family do in Lancashire and
Newcastle from 1825? What happened to all the girls? Any ideas anyone?
(I have found Martha the youngest, married to a German banker Otto von der
Medel)
This whole family descended from John 1693 and Christian Lyne is definitely
one of the most interesting Coad families.
>
Joe Flood
Coordinator, CoadCoode onename and DNA studies.
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Joe
It's nice to know that my family are the "interesting" Coads - John Coad
1693 and Christian Lyne are my 5G grandparents.
Have done quite a bit of work on Richard & Martha in conjunction with Sue
Jenner. The several Richards took a bit of sorting out and the excursion to
Liverpool fooled us for a while. By the way - the "Aligh" you have is
actually Elizabeth.
I will post the results to you personally as there is a bit too much for
easy inclusion on the list. I can send it to anyone else who wants it as
well.
Alison
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Subject: [COAD] John Coad tea dealer Plymouth Dock
Hi Alison
>
That is big news to me. I have been having problems with that Richard
1784 - and I missed that Exeter 1841 entry - couldnt work out who they
were.
>
1841 census. Paris St St Sidwell Exeter. Richd Coad (57, tea dealer) and
Martha (50) with Rebecca (17) Mary (16) Elizabeth (14) 1 FS. All born out of
Devon.
>
I have been puzzling over the following 1851 entry for some time
>
1851 Census. Alhambra College, St Johns Hampstead. Richard Coad (66,
Liskeard, Chemist) and Rebecca (24) Mary (23), Aligh (22) all Liverpool,
Martha (21) Northumberland. 2 adult visitors, Lallah Coad (4, Lancashire)
,Thomas Marham (9, Huddersfield Yorkshire), Cook and Housemaid
>
It is definitely the same family - but the daughters have all lost three
years in age during the long journey to Hampstead.
>
It is making me wonder whether the a2a entry is wrong and it should have
been "Richard Coad tea dealer Plymouth". Or else he got his young brother
involved as well.
>
So - who is Lallah Coad 1847? (a diminutive) Where did Richard train as a
(presumably academic) chemist? What did the family do in Lancashire and
Newcastle from 1825? What happened to all the girls? Any ideas anyone?
(I have found Martha the youngest, married to a German banker Otto von der
Medel)
This whole family descended from John 1693 and Christian Lyne is definitely
one of the most interesting Coad families.
>
Joe Flood
Coordinator, CoadCoode onename and DNA studies.
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Hi Alison
>
That is big news to me. I have been having problems with that Richard
1784 - and I missed that Exeter 1841 entry - couldnt work out who they
were.
>
1841 census. Paris St St Sidwell Exeter. Richd Coad (57, tea dealer) and
Martha (50) with Rebecca (17) Mary (16) Elizabeth (14) 1 FS. All born out of
Devon.
>
I have been puzzling over the following 1851 entry for some time
>
1851 Census. Alhambra College, St Johns Hampstead. Richard Coad (66,
Liskeard, Chemist) and Rebecca (24) Mary (23), Aligh (22) all Liverpool,
Martha (21) Northumberland. 2 adult visitors, Lallah Coad (4, Lancashire)
,Thomas Marham (9, Huddersfield Yorkshire), Cook and Housemaid
>
It is definitely the same family - but the daughters have all lost three
years in age during the long journey to Hampstead.
>
It is making me wonder whether the a2a entry is wrong and it should have
been "Richard Coad tea dealer Plymouth". Or else he got his young brother
involved as well.
>
So - who is Lallah Coad 1847? (a diminutive) Where did Richard train as a
(presumably academic) chemist? What did the family do in Lancashire and
Newcastle from 1825? What happened to all the girls? Any ideas anyone?
(I have found Martha the youngest, married to a German banker Otto von der
Medel)
This whole family descended from John 1693 and Christian Lyne is definitely
one of the most interesting Coad families.
>
Joe Flood
Coordinator, CoadCoode onename and DNA studies.
No Nigel. All the evidence I know of such a person is the one cryptic
reference in a2a . "11, 12 July 1822 John Coad of Plymouth Dock tea dealer"
The main reason why John 1792 of Liskeard is our candidate is that all COADs
have been dirt poor - with a few notable exceptions, one being the Liskeard
family of architects and solicitors. I dont know what sort of capital and
connections it took to become a tea dealer - depends if he was selling it
out of a cart or trading on global markets!
We have a couple of other later Coads who are described less impressively as
"tea salesmen" - the trade in tea must have been a big thing.
This particular John disappears from his farm and turns up living with his
brother and doing nothing in 1841. Plymouth is only a short hop away. So he
had means, motive and opportunity, and in the absence of other candidates Im
happy to consider him the "prime suspect" in the tea caper! (Actually I am
not that concerned about him - he had no offspring so "getting him right" is
not a big deal. We have many much more serious problems in working out who
is who).
---------------------
I am busy wading through the 1881 census at last, much of it set in London
unlike previous Censuses which are mostly Cornwall and Devon - and what
impresses me the most is the opportunities that urbanisation and
globalisation did eventually afford common people like the Coads. There are
a range of opportunities and middle-class jobs for them that simply did not
exist 40 years earlier, when almost **everyone** was an ag lab or a miner -
and many families "made good", just as they did in the colonies. Though I
get the impression that if they lost their principal breadwinner they were
just as badly off as they had always been..
Joe Flood
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [COAD] John Coad tea dealer Plymouth Dock
> Sorry to come in late on this one guys and shut me up if I have missed
> something but is there any clear evidence that links John Coad son of
Robert
> of Menheniot to the John Coad who was a tea dealer on Plymouth dock in
> 1822??
>
> The other thing is that I dont know of a Trewolland nr Menheniot but there
> is a Trewidland and I guess there could have been a transcription error
> somewhere along the way. Worth checking original documents possibly.
>
> Nigel Coad
>
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> > Trewolland was the name of Robert's property.
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Re Trewolland - it is a farm near Menheniot - still exists today - lovely
large grey stone farmhouse. From memory it's on the road between Menheniot
and Merrymeet, but wherever, it's certainly not far from Menheniot.
I have a photograph if anyone wants it. Spelling variations I've seen are
Trewelland & Trewalland.
In the will of John Coad(1693-1792), father of Robert(1733-1800), the estate
is clearly named eg. "I charge all my Messuages and Tenements in or called
Trewolland within the Parish of Menheniot aforesaid".
I can let you have the full transcription if you want it.
Re John the tea dealer, I can't say, except that in 1841 census, Robert's
son Richard (1784- )was a Tea Dealer living in St Sidwele, Exeter, so it's
certainly possible.
Alison Wolf
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Sent: Tuesday, 20 February 2007 5:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [COAD] John Coad tea dealer Plymouth Dock
Sorry to come in late on this one guys and shut me up if I have missed
something but is there any clear evidence that links John Coad son of Robert
of Menheniot to the John Coad who was a tea dealer on Plymouth dock in
1822??
The other thing is that I dont know of a Trewolland nr Menheniot but there
is a Trewidland and I guess there could have been a transcription error
somewhere along the way. Worth checking original documents possibly.
Nigel Coad
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> Thanks Joe.
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> Trewolland was the name of Robert's property.
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Sorry to come in late on this one guys and shut me up if I have missed
something but is there any clear evidence that links John Coad son of Robert
of Menheniot to the John Coad who was a tea dealer on Plymouth dock in
1822??
The other thing is that I dont know of a Trewolland nr Menheniot but there
is a Trewidland and I guess there could have been a transcription error
somewhere along the way. Worth checking original documents possibly.
Nigel Coad
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> Thanks Joe.
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In a message dated 2/16/2007 5:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pege10(a)cox.net writes:
Your address was changed when you re-subscribed to Coad-List.
Thanks
Ed I am getting all Coad list messages twice because I re-subscribed. How do
I get rid of one of them (and which one should I get rid of? coad@one-name
.org is good, but it is not the one I use to send emails).
Joe
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Lesley we have almost a complete set of information on Robert's descendants
thanks to the detailed work of Sally Shine and others. She is always keen to
update the tree - try salssurnames(a)hotmail.com
Exactly who Robert was is a mystery as he is variously listed as being "of
Gwennap, Madron and St Agnes". However the only real candidate is Robert
Coad ch 3/11/1811 Kea, son of Charles Coad and Johanna Pearce. The parents
appear to have died; the youngest daughter had an illegitimate child at 15,
but married 5 years later. Robert was a real "stirrer" and was jailed twice.
Sessions held at Truro - ref. QS/1/12/383-409 - date: 8th April 1834
John Trevail of Madron, lab. indicted for stealing 200 lbs. of coals,
property of John Pender Davy and his partners, and Robert Coad of Madron,
lab. indicted for inciting J.T. to commit the felony. J.T. also indicted for
stealing 200lbs. of coals, property of Stephen Harvey James, also incited by
R.C.: J.T. received six months' hard labour in Bodmin gaol, and R.C. four
months'.
item: Sessions held at Bodmin - ref. QS/1/12/430-452 - date: 14th October
1834
Robert Coad of St. Agnes, lab., previously convicted of felony, indicted for
stealing eight shilling pieces and other coin, and a pound of soap, property
of William Harris: transported for fourteen years.
For a great amount of detail about Robert's time as a convict, and the
family, see http://www.geocities.com/mepnab/c/coad.html?200715. I also have
a full tree of deceased members and have been intouch with a couple of
descendants.
By the way, could you please let me know which branch you are form?
Cheers
Joe Flood
Coad(a)one-name.org
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From: <lesleycoad(a)optusnet.com.au>
To: <COAD(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:27 PM
Subject: [COAD] robert coad
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> My name is Leslie looking for information on gg grandfather robert Coad
> came from truro cornwall to tasmania in 1835 as convict would
appreciate
> any information on him.
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>
My name is Leslie looking for information on gg grandfather robert Coad
came from truro cornwall to tasmania in 1835 as convict would appreciate
any information on him.