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I am trying to trace my Grandmother, Lillian Amy Coad, or any of her
relatives. Lillian was born 1906 in Paddington, London, UK. Her father was
James George Coad and her mother was Emily Elizabeth Legg. I would be most
grateful if anyone has any information for me.
Suggest you try to obtain James and Emily's marraige cert, this wil give
details for both groom and spouse
Also the 1901 UK census site http://www.census.pro.gov.uk has a likely
candidate for James COAD. You have to pay to view, but it may furnish
useful information.
Nigel Coad UK
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I am trying to trace my Grandmother, Lillian Amy Coad, or any of her relatives. Lillian was born 1906 in Paddington, London, UK. Her father was James George Coad and her mother was Emily Elizabeth Legg. I would be most grateful if anyone has any information for me.
Thanks for that Alison
Thomas Coad is the brother of my great grand mother, and Patience Coad is
his wife.
Philip Duke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wolf" <ostar(a)ozemail.com.au>
To: <COAD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:46 PM
Subject: [COAD] Abney Park Cemetery
> Dear Listers
> If any of you have family who lived in London in C19-C20 you may be
> interested in the Abney Park Cemetery site which lists many of the burials
> there - the result of a major indexing project still underway.
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~abneypark/abneyy.html
>
> I found the following COAD(E) burials there:-
>
> Name Date Age
> Coad, Margaret 08apr1854 58y
> Coad, Patience 14-Nov-16 71y
> Coad, Thomas 13-Aug-09 69y
> Coad, William Riley 07feb1881 16w
> Coade, Emma Jane 01-Mar-00 48y
>
> Alison
>
>
>
> ==============================
> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records,
go to:
> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
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>
The following is a submission by Carol McArthur BENNETT. Carol is not a
member of the COAD-L yet, so one must contact her directly at:
billbennett(a)mail.cybermesa.com
--
Following is list of William Coad (1859-1941) m. Mary Jane Rowe (1858-1936)
children as supplied to me by my Aunt Myrtle.
Bessie-died at 37 cancer m. Herbert Moffatt
Jane Millicent "Jennie"(1883-1977)m. Joe Oram
Ada Violet (1885-1977) My grand-mother m. Orvis A. McArthur
William m. Edith
Etta Mae m. Charles Silver
Walter died at 29 Never married
Myrtle (deceased) m Clark Hegwood d. 10/81
Fred m. Ida Fisher
*************************
There were also two sets of twins who died early in infancy. My
father told me that it was probably because their father always
picked the dead of winter to move.
I have a picture of Mary Jane Rowe with the three eldest girls
-Bessie, Jennie, and Ada. Also, unidentified man standing by a horse
drawn wagon (could be William Coad Sr. Two young men late teens -
early twenties - maybe two of the Coad boys, and an unidentified
woman . I don't know if it is Mary Jane in later years, her mother ,
or William Sr.'s mother.
If anyone is interested in copies or further detail on the children
of the 8 listed above, I would be very happy to send them along. I
do not have a scanner so I would need mailing addresses.
I didn't know any of the above except for my grand-mother until my
late twenties. And some I never met, but I'm sure all are deceased.
I also have some recollections of the 1900's written by Myrtle that I
could also past along.
Many thanks for any other information.
Carol McArthur Bennett
billbennett(a)mail.cybermesa.com
Dear Listers
If any of you have family who lived in London in C19-C20 you may be
interested in the Abney Park Cemetery site which lists many of the burials
there - the result of a major indexing project still underway.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~abneypark/abneyy.html
I found the following COAD(E) burials there:-
Name Date Age
Coad, Margaret 08apr1854 58y
Coad, Patience 14-Nov-16 71y
Coad, Thomas 13-Aug-09 69y
Coad, William Riley 07feb1881 16w
Coade, Emma Jane 01-Mar-00 48y
Alison
Hi Ed..sorry, lost your last e-mail.Haven't decided what to do with
site.Someone said they were "selling out"??
Ancestry has many UK records..you need to pay to get them.When I signed up
it was abt 30$ I think.
There are many records in Boston..registers parishes, Court of Hustings(very
early..romans) Prerogative crt Canterbury, Consistory Crt. and other I forgot.
You can go to NEHGS site..but to get Immigrant Ancestors(not sure 0f name)
and all the NEHGRegisters online( pub 4 times a year since 1800's. carol
Dear Listers,
Does anyone have info on UK records other than the Parish & Bishops Records
(1500-1837), i.e. newspaper, school, apprenticeship, etc.
Were obits published on a regular basis in UK?
Does anyone know if LDS has these or others microfilmed? What library
resources in UK may house these records.
Ed
Ed, from information I get from a cousin in Cornwall, The Family History
Society has an excellent library of most information. Will send the site
separately.
Bob COAD
Hi!
This discussion is certainly interesting.
In the last few years, I have become a "great-aunt". Although, I thought I
always was!
At a recent funeral many relatives were present and we got around to
describing ourselves and our relationships. ie: "I'm Gordon's great aunt!"
The concensus seems to be that the older of the relationship (the aunt) is
called great but the younger is called grandnephew or grandniece.
This should confuse all of us!!
Regards,
Cousin Shawn
>From: "Edwin E Coad" <ecoad(a)cfl.rr.com>
>Reply-To: COAD-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: COAD-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [COAD] The Great vs Grand Debate for Aunts and Uncles
>Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:16:46 -0500
>
>Thought you all might find some interest or amusement from the Great vs.
>Grand Debate for Aunts and Uncles on www.Rootsweb.com
>
> [Editor's note: The opinions expressed herein are those of the authors
> and are not necessarily those of the editor or of RootsWeb.com].
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Parles Vous, Tante?
>On the "great" versus "grand" issue, I've heard both applied to my
>grandmother's sisters and my other grandmother's brothers, both of whom
>lived practically next door to me. While Eva (ROYLE) CHISHOLM was
>referred to on a daily basis as "Aunt Eve" by both me and half the
>valley (there is such as thing as being refereed to as "aunt" as a mark
>of respect, too), my parents would tell me she was my Great-Aunt Eve.
>I've since started calling the great-aunts as grand-aunts as it made
>more sense. And, it seems to be the more modern way of saying it.
>
>There are historical (and regional) differences in how we perceive and
>describe relationships. And, as genealogists we need to understand the
>terminology used in different areas. After all, many of our sources are
>not modern genealogists and online databases, but old records in which
>things will be written as the authors saw them. No one is going to go
>back there and tell to be consistent.
>
>It's like learning a foreign language. You don't learn French to
>teach them English. You learn the French language and customs to be able
>to communicate with French speakers and have a much better time when
>visiting Paris. Just as you learn the customs and language of different
>areas of the country or the world or of history to have a better time
>researching there.
> --Rowan Chisholm rainslie(a)nwlink.com
>
> * * *
>Synonymously Yours
>John A. McCall in RWR:6:3 (15 January) suggests that "grand" is a
>better term for the siblings of one's grandparents than "great."
>Logically, his case is hard to argue with. But current usage seems to go
>against him. My Encarta 2001 dictionary has this definition of great-
>aunt: "an aunt of somebody's father or mother. Also called grandaunt."
>Under grandaunt it says "see great-aunt." So the two terms are (now)
>interchangeable and can be considered synonymous, although "great-aunt"
>would seem to have the edge nowadays.
> --G. David Thayer gdthayer(a)proaxis.com
>
> * * *
>Fighting a Losing Battle
>My sister, when in her 80s, referred to herself as a "great aunt" to my
>grandchildren. My "great aunts" (born in the mid- to late-1800s) always
>referred to themselves that way. I never even heard the term "grand
>aunt" until very recent years and suspect the whole thing must either be
>regional or modern. In any event, I associate "grand aunt" with "grahnd-
>ohnt," rather than to "grate-ant," as it should be. Those who try to
>apply logic to how words are used are fighting a losing battle.
> --Jim McMillen jimmcmillen(a)earthlink.net
>
> * * *
>Solving the Problem
>How about my friend's solution: Rather than being called "Great-Aunt
>Barbara", she prefers "Aunt Barbara, the Great"!
> --Sue Dufour sdufour(a)skyenet.net
>
> * * *
>Using a Dictionary
>In RWR:5:52 (25 Dec. 2002) "DrB" elaborated on the usage of "cousin."
>However, I am compelled to correct the first statement:
>
>"1. The role of a dictionary is to report how people do use language,
>not to prescribe how people should use language . . ."
>
>This should sound like nonsense. Why do libraries have them in the
>reference section? Surely we know well enough HOW words are used (and
>misused) just from talking to others. If a dictionary's purpose is not
>to prescribe how words should be used, where then do we find this
>knowledge? For instance, I wanted to know how "distinguish" and
>"differentiate" are related -- so I used a dictionary.
> --Michael P. Klinosky mpk2(a)enter.net
>
> * * *
>[Editor's Note: The great- vs. grand- aunts and uncles terminology
>debate continues with each convinced that he or she is correct in their
>choice of what they call the siblings of their grandparents. But the
>underlying issue is not a rhetorical question about whether we call
>our female parent, "Mum," "Mother," or "Mama." As the Internet shrinks
>our globe and we exchange information with cousins around the world,
>genealogical terms need standards in order that we may all understand
>recorded kinships. Regardless of the titles or terms of endearment you
>use for specific relatives, see what your genealogical software says --
>if it offers a relationship calculator -- that the brother or sister of
>your grandfather or grandmother is to you. Also look closely at the many
>online Genealogy Relationship Charts.
> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/chart.htm
> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/relation.htm
> http://www.heirsearch.com/table.htm
>
>For an article on a related (pun intended) subject, see
>"Cousin Removal!" by Michael John Neill:
> http://www.ancestry.com/library/print/news/articles/2856.htm ]
>
>
>Previously published in RootsWeb Review: Vol. 6, No. 4, 22 January 2003.
>
>
>==============================
>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records,
>go to:
>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
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Thought you all might find some interest or amusement from the Great vs.
Grand Debate for Aunts and Uncles on www.Rootsweb.com
[Editor's note: The opinions expressed herein are those of the authors
and are not necessarily those of the editor or of RootsWeb.com].
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Parles Vous, Tante?
On the "great" versus "grand" issue, I've heard both applied to my
grandmother's sisters and my other grandmother's brothers, both of whom
lived practically next door to me. While Eva (ROYLE) CHISHOLM was
referred to on a daily basis as "Aunt Eve" by both me and half the
valley (there is such as thing as being refereed to as "aunt" as a mark
of respect, too), my parents would tell me she was my Great-Aunt Eve.
I've since started calling the great-aunts as grand-aunts as it made
more sense. And, it seems to be the more modern way of saying it.
There are historical (and regional) differences in how we perceive and
describe relationships. And, as genealogists we need to understand the
terminology used in different areas. After all, many of our sources are
not modern genealogists and online databases, but old records in which
things will be written as the authors saw them. No one is going to go
back there and tell to be consistent.
It's like learning a foreign language. You don't learn French to
teach them English. You learn the French language and customs to be able
to communicate with French speakers and have a much better time when
visiting Paris. Just as you learn the customs and language of different
areas of the country or the world or of history to have a better time
researching there.
--Rowan Chisholm rainslie(a)nwlink.com
* * *
Synonymously Yours
John A. McCall in RWR:6:3 (15 January) suggests that "grand" is a
better term for the siblings of one's grandparents than "great."
Logically, his case is hard to argue with. But current usage seems to go
against him. My Encarta 2001 dictionary has this definition of great-
aunt: "an aunt of somebody's father or mother. Also called grandaunt."
Under grandaunt it says "see great-aunt." So the two terms are (now)
interchangeable and can be considered synonymous, although "great-aunt"
would seem to have the edge nowadays.
--G. David Thayer gdthayer(a)proaxis.com
* * *
Fighting a Losing Battle
My sister, when in her 80s, referred to herself as a "great aunt" to my
grandchildren. My "great aunts" (born in the mid- to late-1800s) always
referred to themselves that way. I never even heard the term "grand
aunt" until very recent years and suspect the whole thing must either be
regional or modern. In any event, I associate "grand aunt" with "grahnd-
ohnt," rather than to "grate-ant," as it should be. Those who try to
apply logic to how words are used are fighting a losing battle.
--Jim McMillen jimmcmillen(a)earthlink.net
* * *
Solving the Problem
How about my friend's solution: Rather than being called "Great-Aunt
Barbara", she prefers "Aunt Barbara, the Great"!
--Sue Dufour sdufour(a)skyenet.net
* * *
Using a Dictionary
In RWR:5:52 (25 Dec. 2002) "DrB" elaborated on the usage of "cousin."
However, I am compelled to correct the first statement:
"1. The role of a dictionary is to report how people do use language,
not to prescribe how people should use language . . ."
This should sound like nonsense. Why do libraries have them in the
reference section? Surely we know well enough HOW words are used (and
misused) just from talking to others. If a dictionary's purpose is not
to prescribe how words should be used, where then do we find this
knowledge? For instance, I wanted to know how "distinguish" and
"differentiate" are related -- so I used a dictionary.
--Michael P. Klinosky mpk2(a)enter.net
* * *
[Editor's Note: The great- vs. grand- aunts and uncles terminology
debate continues with each convinced that he or she is correct in their
choice of what they call the siblings of their grandparents. But the
underlying issue is not a rhetorical question about whether we call
our female parent, "Mum," "Mother," or "Mama." As the Internet shrinks
our globe and we exchange information with cousins around the world,
genealogical terms need standards in order that we may all understand
recorded kinships. Regardless of the titles or terms of endearment you
use for specific relatives, see what your genealogical software says --
if it offers a relationship calculator -- that the brother or sister of
your grandfather or grandmother is to you. Also look closely at the many
online Genealogy Relationship Charts.
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/chart.htmhttp://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/relation.htmhttp://www.heirsearch.com/table.htm
For an article on a related (pun intended) subject, see
"Cousin Removal!" by Michael John Neill:
http://www.ancestry.com/library/print/news/articles/2856.htm ]
Previously published in RootsWeb Review: Vol. 6, No. 4, 22 January 2003.
Dear Everybody:
After sending the following message I realized that I had sent it in HTML
instead of Plain Text.
Please accept my humble apologies for being so thoughtless.
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: M Keith Abel
To: coad-l(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: January 20, 2003 10:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Coad-L
Dear Listers:
Ed requested that I send my reply to Aymee regarding research in the Sudbury
Area of Ontario, to everyone on the list. I am aware that there was a Coad
Family in Eastern Ontario in addition to Aymee's ancestors in the North
East. If anyone out there wants to do research other parts of Ontario, the
same comments apply to other branches of the Ontario Genealogical Society.
As Aymee and Ed may note, I have tried to improve the quality of writing in
the following compared to what I sent to them originally.
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: M Keith Abel
To: Aymee Thomas
Cc: Ed Coad
Sent: January 20, 2003 12:09 AM
Subject: Coad-L
Dear Aymee:
Ed Coad has asked me to give you some pointers about research in the Sudbury
area. I suspect that you might be able to give me pointers since you seem
to have the chief details of the family members that lived in North Eastern
Ontario.
However for what it is worth I will mention a few things. The Sudbury
Branch of the OGS [Ontario Genealogical Society] has a web site with rather
a lot of information on it and lots of links. I would suggest if you are
not familiar with it, to have a good look.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~onogs/ogs.htm
Rick Simmons who is the editor of their newsletter and a Director of OGS
Region IX, allows his e-mail address for Branch business:
rrsimmons(a)isys.ca
You may write to him.
Mailing address:
Sudbury Branch OGS
Sudbury Public Library
74 MacKenzie Street
Sudbury, Ontario
P3C 4X8
They have no official telephone and no FAX number.
You might consider becoming a member of the Branch, which at the same time
makes you a member of the Ontario Genealogical Society and I expect you will
find it worthwhile. The dues in Canadian Dollars are $45 plus the branch
dues which vary a bit from branch to branch and I do not know what Sudbury
is currently. The average Branch dues are about $10. The $55 total in
Canadian Dollars, would be about $35 American.
There are several Sudbury Branch members that do research for people who
write in. But they are busy people to so it is wise to restrict your
requests to sources that are difficult to find outside of Sudbury. For
example, it is possible that someone will be able to find a reference to the
birth dates of the children of John Thomas Coad, in the Sudbury Newspapers.
It is also possible if you can prove your relationship to them to get
certificates, for a fee, from the Provincial Government.
The Sudbury Researchers might tell you where Hallam Township is. I do not
have a reference to Northern Ontario Townships at home. Generally a source
that lists the Concession number should also list the Lot number. This
information allows a researcher to access the Provincial Records office for
details of land ownership. Research in this area requires the researcher to
go to the Land Records Office personally. These records are filed by
Township, Concession and Lot number.
Since Jack was the youngest, his brothers and sisters will be in the
published index to the Ontario Vital Records. These cover the years from
about 1870 to about 1910 and are available from Latter Day Saints on
Microfilm. The researchers in Sudbury have access to the LDS Church there,
who have the complete index plus almost complete microfilms of the original
documents for the vital records. [when I was there around 2 years ago there
were a few missing films. These may since have been acquired and if you are
willing to pay for the film which they will hold there on permanent loan,
they will get any films missing.] These have quite a lot of information on
them and are worth acquiring. I would guess that the family will be found
in these records.
Unfortunately the details marriages of persons born in the last years of
these records, have not yet been published. At least I don't think they
have. I have never looked for anyone that recent.
Be cautious of references to "Sudbury". It might refer to the City of
Sudbury, population 175,000, or to the District of Sudbury. Northern
Ontario Has no organized counties. The function of County Courts and County
Health Services are operated in "Districts" instead. Webbwood and Espanola
are in the District of Sudbury although they are about an hour and a half
west of the City of Sudbury.
Webbwood is a pretty small place but it still exists. A place on Highwway
17 that I whizzed through at 90 km/h many times without stopping. I don't
know what records exist for Webbwood explicitly. The census of 1901 and of
1891 is available. You can see the films through LDS but if someone in
Sudbury will look them up for you that would be a whole lot faster. There
is no index for these years but Webbwood was such a small place that finding
the right film it won't take long to scroll through everyone listed. The
microfilms for the Census are on file in the Library of Laurentian
University in Sudbury. I can imagine someone marrying in Espanola rather
than Webwood because I don't think Webbwood had any churches and Espanola
isn't very far.
How certain are you that Thomas and Bella came from Wales? Coad is a
characteristic Cornish name. Neither the names Bella nor MacMillan are
either Welsh or Cornish. Any chance Thomas arrived single and married Bella
in Canada? Bella MacMillan sounds distinctly Canadian to me, and Bella is
almost certainly short for Isabella which is a common Scots given name.
Buckingham, Quebec, is about 20 miles east of Hull which is immediately
across the Ottawa River from the city of Ottawa, Ontario. Bella might very
well have come from Buckingham: there were lots of Scots settlers in the
vicinity of Ottawa on both sides of the river. Once you find the birthdate
of the eldest child, I'd suggest you look for a marriage about a year
earlier in Buckingham and vicinity. A clue might come from Thomas'
profession which will be on the Provincial vital records. I would guess from
the times places he lived in, that he was in the Forest Industry. Probably
cutting pulp wood, or perhaps at the turn of the century there was lumber
still being cut in that pat of Ontario.
At around 65¢, the Canadian dollar is a bargain for American Tourists. And
Sudbury is cheaper to visit than larger centres like Toronto and Ottawa.
The Federal Archives and the Federal Library in Ottawa are excellant places
for Ontario research, as is The North York Public Library and the Ontario
Provincial Archives in Toronto. Both places have excellent public transit
systems - you could fly to your destination and use public transit to get
around.
IGI is not very helpful for Ontario records.
Have fun and I hope that you manage to tie in your Coads back in England and
your MacMillans in Scotland quickly.
M Keith Abel
Kingston, Ontario
mkabel(a)sympatico.ca
Dear Listers:
Ed requested that I send my reply to Aymee regarding research in the Sudbury Area of Ontario, to everyone on the list. I am aware that there was a Coad Family in Eastern Ontario in addition to Aymee's ancestors in the North East. If anyone out there wants to do research other parts of Ontario, the same comments apply to other branches of the Ontario Genealogical Society.
As Aymee and Ed may note, I have tried to improve the quality of writing in the following compared to what I sent to them originally.
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: M Keith Abel
To: Aymee Thomas
Cc: Ed Coad
Sent: January 20, 2003 12:09 AM
Subject: Coad-L
Dear Aymee:
Ed Coad has asked me to give you some pointers about research in the Sudbury area. I suspect that you might be able to give me pointers since you seem to have the chief details of the family members that lived in North Eastern Ontario.
However for what it is worth I will mention a few things. The Sudbury Branch of the OGS [Ontario Genealogical Society] has a web site with rather a lot of information on it and lots of links. I would suggest if you are not familiar with it, to have a good look.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~onogs/ogs.htm
Rick Simmons who is the editor of their newsletter and a Director of OGS Region IX, allows his e-mail address for Branch business:
rrsimmons(a)isys.ca
You may write to him.
Mailing address:
Sudbury Branch OGS
Sudbury Public Library
74 MacKenzie Street
Sudbury, Ontario
P3C 4X8
They have no official telephone and no FAX number.
You might consider becoming a member of the Branch, which at the same time makes you a member of the Ontario Genealogical Society and I expect you will find it worthwhile. The dues in Canadian Dollars are $45 plus the branch dues which vary a bit from branch to branch and I do not know what Sudbury is currently. The average Branch dues are about $10. The $55 total in Canadian Dollars, would be about $35 American.
There are several Sudbury Branch members that do research for people who write in. But they are busy people to so it is wise to restrict your requests to sources that are difficult to find outside of Sudbury. For example, it is possible that someone will be able to find a reference to the birth dates of the children of John Thomas Coad, in the Sudbury Newspapers. It is also possible if you can prove your relationship to them to get certificates, for a fee, from the Provincial Government.
The Sudbury Researchers might tell you where Hallam Township is. I do not have a reference to Northern Ontario Townships at home. Generally a source that lists the Concession number should also list the Lot number. This information allows a researcher to access the Provincial Records office for details of land ownership. Research in this area requires the researcher to go to the Land Records Office personally. These records are filed by Township, Concession and Lot number.
Since Jack was the youngest, his brothers and sisters will be in the published index to the Ontario Vital Records. These cover the years from about 1870 to about 1910 and are available from Latter Day Saints on Microfilm. The researchers in Sudbury have access to the LDS Church there, who have the complete index plus almost complete microfilms of the original documents for the vital records. [when I was there around 2 years ago there were a few missing films. These may since have been acquired and if you are willing to pay for the film which they will hold there on permanent loan, they will get any films missing.] These have quite a lot of information on them and are worth acquiring. I would guess that the family will be found in these records.
Unfortunately the details marriages of persons born in the last years of these records, have not yet been published. At least I don't think they have. I have never looked for anyone that recent.
Be cautious of references to "Sudbury". It might refer to the City of Sudbury, population 175,000, or to the District of Sudbury. Northern Ontario Has no organized counties. The function of County Courts and County Health Services are operated in "Districts" instead. Webbwood and Espanola are in the District of Sudbury although they are about an hour and a half west of the City of Sudbury.
Webbwood is a pretty small place but it still exists. A place on Highwway 17 that I whizzed through at 90 km/h many times without stopping. I don't know what records exist for Webbwood explicitly. The census of 1901 and of 1891 is available. You can see the films through LDS but if someone in Sudbury will look them up for you that would be a whole lot faster. There is no index for these years but Webbwood was such a small place that finding the right film it won't take long to scroll through everyone listed. The microfilms for the Census are on file in the Library of Laurentian University in Sudbury. I can imagine someone marrying in Espanola rather than Webwood because I don't think Webbwood had any churches and Espanola isn't very far.
How certain are you that Thomas and Bella came from Wales? Coad is a characteristic Cornish name. Neither the names Bella nor MacMillan are either Welsh or Cornish. Any chance Thomas arrived single and married Bella in Canada? Bella MacMillan sounds distinctly Canadian to me, and Bella is almost certainly short for Isabella which is a common Scots given name.
Buckingham, Quebec, is about 20 miles east of Hull which is immediately across the Ottawa River from the city of Ottawa, Ontario. Bella might very well have come from Buckingham: there were lots of Scots settlers in the vicinity of Ottawa on both sides of the river. Once you find the birthdate of the eldest child, I'd suggest you look for a marriage about a year earlier in Buckingham and vicinity. A clue might come from Thomas' profession which will be on the Provincial vital records. I would guess from the times places he lived in, that he was in the Forest Industry. Probably cutting pulp wood, or perhaps at the turn of the century there was lumber still being cut in that pat of Ontario.
At around 65¢, the Canadian dollar is a bargain for American Tourists. And Sudbury is cheaper to visit than larger centres like Toronto and Ottawa. The Federal Archives and the Federal Library in Ottawa are excellant places for Ontario research, as is The North York Public Library and the Ontario Provincial Archives in Toronto. Both places have excellent public transit systems - you could fly to your destination and use public transit to get around.
IGI is not very helpful for Ontario records.
Have fun and I hope that you manage to tie in your Coads back in England and your MacMillans in Scotland quickly.
M Keith Abel
Kingston, Ontario
mkabel(a)sympatico.ca
Perhaps my esteemed cousin, Keith ABEL formerly of Sudbury, can give some
guidance to Aymee on Canadian records.
> Aymee THOMAS worte:
>
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> - John (Jack) Thomas COAD born on July 7, 1904 in Hallam Township
> Conc. 1, Ontario, Canada married Mary Eliza Beauchamp born on November
> 24, 1906 in Whitney, Ontario, Canada on November 9, 1925 in Espanola,
> Ontario, Canada at St. George's Anglican Church (they were the first
> couple to be married there). Sisters were Susan, Nell, and Nancy (no
> birthdates or places). Brothers were Abe and Thomas. Jack was the
> youngest one though.
>
> - Thomas COAD born on (date) in (place) married Bella MacMillan on
> (date) in (place). His brother(s) name is Benjamin. They came to
> Buckingham, Quebec, Canada from Wales and then Thomas moved to Webbwood,
> Ontario, Canada.
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I'm still working on mine as I just got into it this year but this is
what I have so far, I'm getting some dates filled in. It starts from my
son and down to each parent. I'm hoping I can find someone who can link
up to us and let us know more.
Aymee
- Michael Aaron THOMAS, born May 19, 1999 in Beverly,
Massachusetts, USA
- Amelia Mary THOMAS (nee WIKIRUK), born January 14, 1973 in
Espanola, Ontario, Canada - married Valdon THOMAS May 25, 2000 in Haven,
New Hampshire. Sisters are Tracy Lynn WIKIRUK, born October 12, 1977 in
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada and Sheila MALLOY (nee WIKIRUK) born April ??,
married Robert MALLOY on ??, children are Christopher MALLOY born ??,
and Kirsten MALLOY born??
- James Ronald WIKIRUK Jr., born July 31, 1947 (?) in Espanola,
Ontario, Canada - married Florence RICHER (date) in Espanola, Ontario -
daughter is Sheila. Divorced (date). Married Yvonne Marie MALTAIS
January 15, 1972 in Espanola, Ontario. Divorced (date) - daughters
Amelia and Tracy. Married Diane COOLEY (nee BROWN) (date) in Espanola,
Ontario, Canada. Brothers are Bruce (date born) married to Wendy BEERE
on (date) (place), and Terry born on April 1, 1955 in Espanola, Ontario,
Canada, married to Marjorie (maiden name) on (date) (place). Terry has
a son, Terry James, born on (date) in Stratford, Ontario, Canada.
Sisters are Brenda, married to William (Bill) HEATON on (date) (place).
Three sons: James born on (date) in (place), Jason born on (date) in
(place) and Jeffery born on (date) in (place). James has a son: Shawn
born on (date) in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada and a daughter: Tai born on
(date) in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. Jeffery is married to Cynthia
(maiden name) and has a daughter: Hailey Brooke born on (date) in
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada, Sheryl born on April 24, 1961 in Espanola,
Ontario, Canada, married to Ivan PICHE born on April 29, 1955, married
on (date) in Espanola, Ontario, Canada. One son : Travis born on
January 14, 1980 in (place) and one daughter: Seanna born on November
4, 1985 in (place), Deborah born on (date) in Espanola, Ontario, Canada,
married to Richard JEANVEAU on (date) in (place). Two sons: Richard
Jr. is married to (name) on (date) in (place), and Craig married (name)
on (date) in (place). Divorced on (date) in (place) and has one
daughter: Emily, born on (date) in (place), Kimberly born on August 13,
1963, in Espanola, Ontario, Canada, married to Stephen LARSEN on (date)
in (place). Two daughters: Emma born on (date) in (place), and Annika
born on (date) in (place), and one son: Mitchel born on (date) in
(place), Beverly born in Espanola, Ontario, Canada, married to Chris
SISSING on (date) in Espanola, Ontario, Canada One son: Christian born
on (date) in (place), Sherry born on May 25, 1965 in Espanola, Ontario,
Canada on (date) One son: Tyler.
- Muriel Emma COAD born on July 31, 1928 in (place) married James
Ronald WIKIRUK on (date) in (place). Died on (date) in Espanola,
Ontario. Sisters are Florence May born on June 18, 1927 in (place)
married to (name) on (date) in (place) Kids(?), Alice Marie born on
March 29, 1930 (died young), Mary Isabel born on May 5, 1935 in (place)
died (date) in Espanola, Ontario, Canada married (name) on (date) in
(place) Kids, and Barbara Ann born on July 10, 1940 in (place) married?
Kids? Brothers are Lawrence Steven born on June 1, 1926 in (place)
married? Kids?, John Thomas born on May 26, 1933 in (place) married to
(name) on (date) in (place) daughter(s): Linda married to (name) on
(date) in (place) and have daughter(s): Stacey born on (date) in
(place), Aurther James born on January 31, 1937 (died young), and Larry
Garnet born on December 20, 1936 in (place) married (name) on (date) in
(place) kids?
- John (Jack) Thomas COAD born on July 7, 1904 in Hallam Township
Conc. 1, Ontario, Canada married Mary Eliza Beauchamp born on November
24, 1906 in Whitney, Ontario, Canada on November 9, 1925 in Espanola,
Ontario, Canada at St. George's Anglican Church (they were the first
couple to be married there). Sisters were Susan, Nell, and Nancy (no
birthdates or places). Brothers were Abe and Thomas. Jack was the
youngest one though.
- Thomas COAD born on (date) in (place) married Bella MacMillan on
(date) in (place). His brother(s) name is Benjamin. They came to
Buckingham, Quebec, Canada from Wales and then Thomas moved to Webbwood,
Ontario, Canada.
Sorry, but no.
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Anthony,
You ask some time ago about how the Coad name reflexes on your Afro-American heritage.
Unfortunately, the early Coad, Coade, Coode families of Prince George County, Maryland and areas of Virginia were slaveholders. This would account for your surname and it's being of Cornish/English descent.
Prince George County has a great Genealogy Society and would be of much help in your finding your ancestors.
In you need any additional info, I will be glad to assist.
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Hello everyone
I am descended from the same line as Ed and Keith as follows:
Nicholas Coad
born about 1675, Cornwall; buried 6 May 1736 St Neot, Cornwall
married Grace ?, buried 12 September 1757, St Neot, Cornwall
Children of Nicholas Coad and Grace:
Ann Coad born about 1706
Grace Coad born about 1709
Elizabeth Coad born about 1712
John Coad born about 1715
Samuel Coad born about 1720, died 1777 Talland, Cornwall, married Mary Burnard 4 June 1750, Egloskerry, Cornwall
Children of Samuel Coad and Mary Burnard
Samuel Coad born 25 January 1751/52, Polperro, Cornwall
John Coad, born 6 May 1753, Polperro, Cornwall
Thomas Coad born 6 May 1755, Polperro, Cornwall, buried 23 April 1818, Polperro, Cornwall, married Jenny Barrett 8 May 1780, Lansallos, Cornwall
Joseph Coad born 10 March 1757, Polperro, Cornwall
Benjamin Coad born 3 October 1762, Polperro, Cornwall
Children of Thomas Coad and Jenny Barrett
Jane Coad born 15 November 1783, Polperro, Cornwall
Mary Coad born 17 February 1785, Polperro, Cornwall
Samuel Coad born 10 August 1788, Polperro, Cornwall
Maria Coad Coad born 10 April 1794, Polperro, Cornwall
Thomas Coad born 19 September 1798, Polperro, Cornwall, died 1 April 1870, Stoke Newington, London, married Jane Barrett 4 August 1828, Talland, Cornwall
Children of Thomas Coad and Jane Barrett
Susan Barrett Coad born 20 October 1832, Lambeth, London, died before 1901, married John Trewin 31 July 1852, St Luke's, London
Jane Barrett Coad born 29 June 1834, Camberwell, London, died 1905, Berwick, Melbourne, Australia, married Henry Searle 1865, Berwick, Melbourne, Australia
Thomas Coad born 26 November 1839, Southwark, London, died after 1901, married Patience Strudwick 14 August 1865, Hoxton, London
Maria Coad born 6 September 1845, Woolwich, London, died 24 July 1924, Omata, New Plymouth, New Zealand, married John Hallam 29 May 1878, Wellington, New Zealand
Children of Maria Coad and John Hallam
Annie Lucy Hallam born 12 April 1879 Greytown, Wairarapa, New Zealand, died 3 August 1906, Omata, New Plymouth, New Zealand
Mary Jane Hallam born 25 November 1880, Morrison's Bush, Wairarapa, New Zealand, died 4 April 1959, New Plymouth, New Zealand, married George Henry Duke 5 June 1911, New Plymouth, New Zealand
Child of Mary Jane Hallam and George Henry Duke
George Alexander Duke born 28 June 1912, died 24 August 1965, New Plymouth, New Zealand, married Ida Maisie Berridge 24 December 1942, Hamilton, New Zealand
Children of George Alexander Duke and Ida Maisie Berridge
Shirley Janice Duke born 18 June 1946, New Plymouth, New Zealand, married Gilbert Edward Bell, 30 September 1972, New Plymouth, New Zealand
Philip George Duke born 5 May 1948, New Plymouth, New Zealand, married Urszula Ciechanowski, 15 October 1977, New Plymouth, New Zealand
Murray Robert Duke born 18 October 1953, New Plymouth, New Zealand
Children of Philip George Duke and Urszula Ciechanowski
John Duke born 8 February 1979, New Plymouth, died 8 February 1979, New Plymouth, New Zealand
Andrew George Duke, born 2 April 1980, Hamilton, New Zealand
Nicola Claire Duke, born 11 November 1983, Hamilton, New Zealand
With thanks to Nigel Coad for a lot of this information and to Roy Coad, great great grandson of Thomas Coad and Jane Barrett for information from the Coad Family Bible, printed 1612.
Philip Duke
Nigel,
The coincidence relating to names, dates and places of residence does tempt
us to assume that we're looking at the same family. However, before I yell
'Bingo' I still have to reconcile the anomaly of why - in the 1851 census -
is James name spelt 'Coad' when all of the others have it as 'Coade'. Could
this have been a census collector's error, or did James start a new trend?
Do you have details of the family James was working for in Lezant, in the
1851 census? I see that Lezant is just four miles from Linkinhorne,
certainly within easy walking distance for a 14 year old lad.
We'd already factored in the interchangeability of the names Betsy and
Elizabeth, although we were not aware of the nearest 5 years age margin
allowed in the 1841 census.
You've certainly given us something new to chew on, and for that we are
grateful.
Regards,
Peter and Jenny
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Subject: Re: [COAD] Re: William Coad Linkinhorne
> Peter and Jenny
> I think these census data all refer to the same family
> You may not realise that Betsy is a derivative of Elizabeth, and used
> interchangeably in this case
> Looking at the returns:
> If you follow the two brothers back the ages and places of birth are all
> right. James is missing from the 1861, presumably in Devonport, but as a
> servant in Lezant on the 1851 and as a child on the 1841.Elizabeth/Betsy's
> ages are all right too but the birth parish on the 1871 is given as
Southill
> rather than Linkinhorne. Father William is shown married to her on the
1841
> where you also have grandfather George. Ages for adults on the 1841 were
> only given to the nearest 5yrs
> I have checked all the other Linkinhorne Coad families on the censuses and
> these are the only ones that match
> Regards
> Nigel
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