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Some more on Alba, hope it is of interest:
Hazel,
The Duke of Alba (also Alva), Fernando Alvares de Toledo, was a famous
Spanish general.
I have seen in a book a photo of a sculpture, according to which his 3
greatest enemies were the Pope, Queen Elizabeth I and the Duke Elector of
Saxony. He died in 1583 and is thought to have been born in 1508.
At that time "The Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire" was Charles V (Hause
of Habsburg) married to Isabella of Portugal. They had only one son Philip
II who was given the government of the Netherlands in 1555 amongst much
more. He was determined to crush all opposition to Roman Catholicism -
famous for developing the Spanish Inquisition.
The Duke of Alba was a fervent catholic. He commanded under Charles V
(1535-1556) and was an important factor in the win over the Duke Elector of
Saxony at Muehlberg in 1545. In the political climate there was the fight
between Catholics (south of Europe, e.g. Spain), and the Protestant
(northern Europe e.g. England).
But what you really want to know:
The Duke of Alba was sent in 1567 by the above Phillip II of Spain
(husband of Mary Tudor) to suppress the Dutch revolt in the Netherlands,
then under Spanish rule. He defeated William of Orange but was so cruel
that he was recalled to Spain in 1573. William of Orange led the
resurrection against Spain. Then arrived the Duke of Parma in 1579, who
tried to pacify the situation with partial success. William (the Silent)
of Orange and later his son Maurice of Nassau continued the struggle
against Spain. They were on the threshold of independance when Phillip II
died in 1598.
I hope that helps.
Anne
Hazel Fletcher
mailto://stanmore@one-name.org
http://www.hazel.ic24.nethttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~stanmore
I have the article and it is found at
http://www.offalyhistory.com/tmore_walk.htm
The last public hanging in Ireland took place at this gaol in 1865 when
Laurence King was hanged for the murder of Lieutenant Clutterbuck. The case
was tried by the 89-year old Lord Chief Justice Lefroy and was made the
basis for a charge of incapacity against the Lord Chief Justice in the house
of commons. Lefroy retired in 1866. Tullamore gaol was also the scene of the
last hanging of a woman in Ireland in 1903
Here are some Irish snippets:
196
Co. Tipperary. 1800-1850 Collection of letters, legal documents etc.
relating to the Clutterbuck family, their estates and tenants. Poor to fair.
(100 approx.)
IR £120/£150
from: http://www.whytes.ie/0101/catalogue.htm
the rebellion of 1641 and Clutterbuck is mentioned in that regard:
http://globalgazette.net/List001/list41.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Hazel Fletcher [mailto:h.fletcher@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 27 May 2001 15:16
To: CLUTTERBUCK-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Early Clutterbucks
Hello again, how long has your line been in Ireland?
I did find a reference some time ago to a William Clutterbuck who was
murdered in Ireland I stupidly did not print it off and I have tried several
times to find the article again with no luck.
Hazel
mailto://stanmore@one-name.org
http://www.hazel.ic24.nethttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~stanmore
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Langley [mailto:langley@iol.ie]
Sent: 26 May 2001 16:28
To: CLUTTERBUCK-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Early Clutterbucks
I descend from Richard Clutterbuck who was baptised at Kings Stanley Glos. 9
Feb 1591. This was obviously before William the Orange arrived, so how did
my lot get there?
Peter in Ireland.
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Hi Hazel,
I don't seem to have a William on my tree, well not one that fits.
My lot moved to London from Glos. and then one of them put up money for
Cromwells expedition to Ireland, and the Rev. Laurence arrived in
Londonderry and later took possession of land in Tipperary where his
daughter Ann married Henry Langley.
Do yours come from Gloucestershire as well? I have reference to my Richard
who was baptised in 1591 had a father called Thomas.
Cheers Peter.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hazel Fletcher" <h.fletcher(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <CLUTTERBUCK-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: Early Clutterbucks
> Hello again, how long has your line been in Ireland?
>
> I did find a reference some time ago to a William Clutterbuck who was
> murdered in Ireland I stupidly did not print it off and I have tried
several
> times to find the article again with no luck.
>
> Hazel
> mailto://stanmore@one-name.org
> http://www.hazel.ic24.net
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~stanmore
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Langley [mailto:langley@iol.ie]
> Sent: 26 May 2001 16:28
> To: CLUTTERBUCK-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Early Clutterbucks
>
>
> I descend from Richard Clutterbuck who was baptised at Kings Stanley Glos.
9
> Feb 1591. This was obviously before William the Orange arrived, so how did
> my lot get there?
> Peter in Ireland.
>
>
> ==== CLUTTERBUCK Mailing List ====
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> ==== CLUTTERBUCK Mailing List ====
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Hello again, how long has your line been in Ireland?
I did find a reference some time ago to a William Clutterbuck who was
murdered in Ireland I stupidly did not print it off and I have tried several
times to find the article again with no luck.
Hazel
mailto://stanmore@one-name.org
http://www.hazel.ic24.nethttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~stanmore
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Langley [mailto:langley@iol.ie]
Sent: 26 May 2001 16:28
To: CLUTTERBUCK-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Early Clutterbucks
I descend from Richard Clutterbuck who was baptised at Kings Stanley Glos. 9
Feb 1591. This was obviously before William the Orange arrived, so how did
my lot get there?
Peter in Ireland.
==== CLUTTERBUCK Mailing List ====
Ann Clutterbuck married Benjamin Greening at Saul on 6th December 1779.
I have lost the deatils of her parents. Ann was a straw bonnet maker.
Can anyone help?
Ted Greening
New Zealand.
I descend from Richard Clutterbuck who was baptised at Kings Stanley Glos. 9
Feb 1591. This was obviously before William the Orange arrived, so how did
my lot get there?
Peter in Ireland.
Some info re Holland and the Duke of Alba:
.
The Duke of Alba was sent to the Spanish Netherlands to suppress the
revolt led by William the Silent, Prince of Orange. His efforts, and
those of his successors, were only partially successful; the
southern, predominantly Catholic provinces (roughly equivalent to
modern Belgium) were restored to Spanish rule, the northern became
the United Provinces, or Holland.
Probably the best history of the Dutch Revolt for the general reader
remains 'William the Silent' by C. V. Wedgwood. According to Amazon
this is to be republished in paperback this August (and not before
time, say I!). A very fine account of the Dutch 'Golden Age' of the
17th century, when Holland was the world's greatest maritime trading
power, is 'An Embarrassment of Riches' by Simon Schama.
However, many Dutch came to England following the accession of
William of Orange and Mary to the English throne in 1688, and this
seems to tie in better with one of the sources of information you had
re the Clutterbucks.
Mick
Tottenham
Middlesex
Hazel Fletcher
mailto://stanmore@one-name.org
http://www.hazel.ic24.nethttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~stanmore
Valerie & Hazel re your emails.
The Wheatenhurst Hannah, f. William m. Sarah Dean I have as cr 4 Jul. 1802 and died 23 August 1803 and yes two brothers William, as said, one died.
Michele Walker
Coromandel NZ
I found Victor Paul's recent post very interesting, especially all the mentions of a William Clutterbuck. My ancestor was Hannah Clutterbuck born about 1800 at Thrup, Gloucestershire (based on census records). She married Isaac Smith at Dursley in 1820. One witness to the marriage was a William Clutterbuck but I have no idea of his relationship to Hannah - could be father, brother, uncle, cousin!! I have seen The Book of Clutterbuck but have never been able to work out who my Hannah's parents were. I'd love to know.
Valerie Wotton
Sydney Australia
Hazel Fletcher
mailto://stanmore@one-name.org
http://www.hazel.ic24.net
If you look at my Clutterbucks on the web page under here you will see
Hannah with her Father William and two Brothers William. One died young I
guess.They are Wheatenhurst Glos. I will go through my records to see where
this came from as I have info from all over the place.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~stanmore
-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie Wotton [mailto:wottons@intercoast.com.au]
Sent: 25 May 2001 12:49
To: CLUTTERBUCK-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: And My Clutterbuck connection
I found Victor Paul's recent post very interesting, especially all the
mentions of a William Clutterbuck. My ancestor was Hannah Clutterbuck born
about 1800 at Thrup, Gloucestershire (based on census records). She married
Isaac Smith at Dursley in 1820. One witness to the marriage was a William
Clutterbuck but I have no idea of his relationship to Hannah - could be
father, brother, uncle, cousin!! I have seen The Book of Clutterbuck but
have never been able to work out who my Hannah's parents were. I'd love to
know.
Valerie Wotton
Sydney Australia
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With some recent progress on my family, mainly tying together some loose ends
and getting surety regarding some tentative links, I decided it was time to
post the two 'senior generations' of my line.
Extra information always welcome!
Regards, Victor
Descendants of Stephen CLUTTERBUCK
**************************************************
Generation One
*******************
1. Stephen1 CLUTTERBUCK; born circa 1750; maybe Stephen born 20 April
1755 to Giles and Sarah in Eastington and Alkerton (per IGI) ?; married
Elizabeth HOBBS 6 Nov 1784 at Hasfield, Gloucestershire, "both of this
parish;" died Jun 1818; buried 6 Jun 1818 at Hasfield, Gloucestershire;
register says age 68 of Hasfield.
He was a Blacksmith at a guess given two sons occupations. Is he related
to Catherine CLUTTERBUCK who married in Hasfield a Charles PARKER on 14 Jul
1778?
Children of Stephen1 CLUTTERBUCK and Elizabeth HOBBS were as follows:
2 i. Sarah2 CLUTTERBUCK; born before 12 Jun 1785 at Hasfield,
Gloucestershire; baptized 12 Jun 1785 at Hasfield, Gloucestershire.
+ 3 ii. William CLUTTERBUCK, baptized 23 Apr 1786 at Hasfield,
Gloucestershire; married Sarah BALDWIN.
4 iii. James CLUTTERBUCK; born before 24 Jan 1790 at Hasfield,
Gloucestershire; 1851 census says Apperley; baptized 24 Jan 1790 at Hasfield,
Gloucestershire; Baptism the same day that brother William was "received into
church;" married Jane SURMAN, daughter of Giles SURMAN, 26 Aug 1816 at St Mary
de Lode Church, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, both "of this parish", bachelor
and spinster; died 3 Jun 1857 at Apperley, Deerhurst, Gloucestershire; buried
8 Jun 1857 at Deerhurst, Gloucestershire; abode Apperly, age 67 years; his
estate was probated 18 Jul 1857 at Gloucester, Gloucestershire.
He was a Master Blacksmith. He witnessed the marriage of William
CLUTTERBUCK and Sarah BALDWIN on 26 Aug 1816 at St Mary de Lode Church,
Gloucester, Gloucestershire; The marriage entry is for William CLUTTERBUCK to
Sarah 'BALDING' at St Mary de Lode, Gloucester on 26 August 1816. Both 'of
this parish', he a bachelor, she a spinster. Married by banns. The witness to
the marriage were James CLUTTERBUCK and Jane SURMAN. These two got married the
same day at St Marys and William and Sarah were their witnesses.
5 iv. Giles CLUTTERBUCK; born before 10 Feb 1793 at Hasfield,
Gloucestershire; baptized 10 Feb 1793 at Hasfield, Gloucestershire.
+ 6 v. Thomas CLUTTERBUCK, born before 27 Jul 1794 at Hasfield,
Gloucestershire.
7 vi. Comfort CLUTTERBUCK; baptized 3 Sep 1796 at Hasfield,
Gloucestershire; died Jan 1803 at Hasfield, Gloucestershire, at age 6; buried
14 Jan 1803 at Hasfield, Gloucestershire.
8 vii. Hannah CLUTTERBUCK; baptized 23 Mar 1800 at Hasfield,
Gloucestershire; died Feb 1814 at age 13; died Feb 1815 at age 14; says 1815
vs 1814 on other note; buried 11 Feb 1814 at Hasfield, Gloucestershire;
register says age 15.
9 viii. Mary CLUTTERBUCK; baptized 8 Apr 1804 at Hasfield,
Gloucestershire. Suspect this is who burial is recorded for in Hasfield
Parish Register; Entry reads ' Jan 7, 1828 Mary CLUTTERBUCK 23 from
Lanthony.'
10 ix. George CLUTTERBUCK; baptized 25 Feb 1810 at Hasfield,
Gloucestershire.
Generation Two
*******************
3. William2 CLUTTERBUCK (Stephen1CLUTTERBUCK); born circa 1786 at
Hasfield or Ashleworth, Gloucestershire; 1851 census says Ashleworth, 1861
says "Attfield" as best as can be read - probably Hasfield.
These are not neccessarily contradictory as, per VCH, the parishes adjusted
their boundary at enclosure - about 1790.
Baptism entry in the register reads:
"*April 23, 1786 Wm, son of Stephen and Eliz CLUTTERBUCK;"
Item at the bottom of the page of the register was asterisked from the entry
on 23 April 1786 and reads:
"*NB William, son of Stephen and Elizabeth CLUTTERBUCK received into Church
Jan 24th, 1790;"
He married Sarah BALDWIN, daughter of Samuel BALDWIN and Jane (--?--), 26 Aug
1816 at St Mary de Lode Church, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, The marriage
entry is for William CLUTTERBUCK to Sarah 'BALDING' at St Mary de Lode,
Gloucester on 26 August 1816. Both 'of this parish', he a bachelor, she a
spinster. Married by banns. The witness to the marriage were his brother James
CLUTTERBUCK and Jane SURMAN. These two got married the same day at St Marys
and William and Sarah were their witnesses.
Died 17 Feb 1864 at Northwood Green, Westbury-on-Severn, GLS, at age 77; he
and Sarah BALDWIN were buried in a common grave common grave whose headstone
reads:
6. Thomas2 CLUTTERBUCK (Stephen1CLUTTERBUCK); born before 27 Jul 1794 at
Hasfield, Gloucestershire; baptized 27 Jul 1794 at Hasfield, Gloucestershire;
died before 31 March 1851.
Children of Thomas2 CLUTTERBUCK and Mary unknown (born c 1805 in Salop?)
were as follows (1851 census of Barton St Mary, Gloucester) says all were born
there):
21 i. Steven3 CLUTTERBUCK; born circa 1836.
He was a Carpenter on 10 May 1857 at Gloucester, Gloucestershire.
22 ii. Sarah CLUTTERBUCK; born circa 1834
23 iii. Mary Ann CLUTTERBUCK; born circa 1842
**********************************************
Victor Paul, Christchurch, NZ. email: v.paul(a)netaccess.co.nz
>From an entry on www.ebay.com at the moment, for the book described below.
"Here from 1942 and reprinted in 1988 comes "a bloody wonderful book" (ERNEST
HEMINGWAY) called 'WEST WITH THE NIGHT" by author/flyer/adventurer BERYL
CLUTTERBUCK MARKHAM!! She was born in 1902 Britain, spent her early years in
British East Africa, spoke Swahili and Masai, became a big game hunter,
explored from the Sudan to Kenya to Tanganikya to Rhodesia, became a airplane
enthusiast and became the 1st person to fly solo across the Altantic from east
to west! She wrote this book in 1942 and mysteriously disappeared for nearly 4
decades and resurfaced in Kenya where she died in 1986, aged 83.!! This a
remarkable tale by a remarkable woman, beautiful, brave and courageous, who
loved life and her adopted home in Africa and this is her remarkable
autobiography!! "
Victor Paul, Christchurch, New Zealand
email: v.paul(a)netaccess.co.nz
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3742
List owner: CLUTTERBUCK and PAUL surname mailing lists.
Hullo Hazel
Your E mail of 25 April is most interesting. My late wife's father had exactly the same story as your paternal grandmother, but I fear it does not explain the origin of the name in this country
The Introduction to Witchell & Hudleston's Family of Clutterbuck ( 1924 ) states :
A family tradition, given in some of the printed pedigrees asserts that the
Clutterbucks came over from the Netherlands in the 16th century in
consequence of the persecutions of the Duke of Alba but this is clearly untrue
unless it may refer to some second immigration of persons of the name.
Dealing solely with the Wheatenhurst Clutterbucks we do not know the family tree
earlier than the late 17th century. Thus whilst the story might be true of this branch
of the surname, there is no evidence to support it as the Duke of Alba was sent to Holland in 1571. If we are basing our genealogy on facts and not on yarns, we ought to drop this story.
Again, clearly Clutterbucks were known in Gloucestershire much earlier than 1571.
To quote Gloucestershire Notes & Queries Volume V ( 1894 ) at page 379 :
The family of Clutterbuck has for centuries occupied a prominent position in
Gloucestershire where the name is still of frequent occurence; although it
may be supposed that originally one commonstock sent out the numerous
branches which can be traced back to the 15th century, yet there is no
possibility of connecting all the lines which are known with any one stem. At
the ealiest dates at which we can trace the namein this county many families
of Clutterbucks are found independent of one another and obviously well
established.
Thus for instance Robert Cloterboke was Prior of St Margaret's Hospital,
Gloucester, 9 Henry VII, 1485; Fosbrook gives Thomas Clowterbuck as Mayor
of Gloucester 1545; and wills exist of John Cloterbok, tucker, of Easington,
1524, and Edmund Cloterboke, weaver, of Oxford, 1525.
This extract surely puts an end to any suggestion that the surname came to this
country simply due to the activities of religious or other persecution in Holland
around 1571.
I hope all this will be of some help to you.
Bill Kennard