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OOPS - meant this for descendants of the Clutterbuck family from
GLOUCESTERSHIRE, England (not Devon) !!!
Valerie
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> From: Valerie Wotton <wottons(a)intercoast.com.au>
> To: DEVON-D(a)rootsweb.com
> Cc: CLUTTERBUCK-D(a)rootsweb.com; GENANZ-D(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Clutterbuck book is in Australia
> Date: Wednesday, 25 November 1998 6:29
>
> Good news for descendants of the Clutterbuck family from Devon, England.
I
> discovered one copy (listing the families from the 16th century) is held
in
> Australia with the State Library of South Australia. You can arrange for
> your local library to borrow it through inter-library loan (for a fee of
> $12.00) but then you can't remove it from your local library as it is a
> reference book. You can look at it though at your local library. You
> can't get it at present as my local library has it waiting for me.
Anyway,
> thought I'd share this good news so you can reserve it.
> Valerie
>
Good news for descendants of the Clutterbuck family from Devon, England. I
discovered one copy (listing the families from the 16th century) is held in
Australia with the State Library of South Australia. You can arrange for
your local library to borrow it through inter-library loan (for a fee of
$12.00) but then you can't remove it from your local library as it is a
reference book. You can look at it though at your local library. You
can't get it at present as my local library has it waiting for me. Anyway,
thought I'd share this good news so you can reserve it.
Valerie
I read the post recently which said that the LDS microfilm cited GN+Q as
the source for its material. Recently I have been reading this document &
on the whole have been most impressed with the information it contained.
However I believe I have found a discrepancy in that it appears to combine
2 generations into 1 - not surprisingly with all the Thomas, son of
Thomas... In doing so, it omits the 2nd generation's wife, whose surname
was carried forward as a middle name of at least one of her children.
Given how difficult it is to consult original sources for this period
(especially from the distance of Australia), I would be grateful for
people's opinions as to the relative accuracy of things like this booklet,
the Witchell book, the IGI, etc. Things like different dates I can just
record both in my program with their relative sources, but things like
generations - well then I need to make decisions.
Kerry
As transcribed by ALan Watkins and posted to the Gloucestershire mailing
list.
Clutterbuck A B, city accountant, Rose bank Stroul rd
Misses A & E & Miss S Walker, 14 Arthur st
C G, solicitor 16 Clarence st, res, 5 Denmark rd
C H, 1 Spa villas
D A & Miss E, Hornby ho, Southgate st
Mrs F, 8 Cromwell st
Mrs Elizabeth 14 Arthur st
Miss F, 9 Cromwell st
G 1 Slaney st t
H G, 2 Harp villas, Cemetery rd
J The beeches, Tuffley avenue
J, cattle dealer, Cattle market
P O, Clarence villa, Linden rd
S, 49 Adelaide st
S M, 9 Dynevor st
W G, 33 Furlong rd
W H, 83 Parkend rd
W J, 11 Jersey rd
W T, maltster & hop merchant, 72 Westgate st, res 4 Brunswick sq
Hope there is something for someone .........
Victor Paul, Christchurch, New Zealand
email: v.paul(a)netaccess.co.nz
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3742
Researching pre NZ migration:
PAUL/MORGAN; MDX (Poplar/Blackwall)
CLUTTERBUCK/BALDWIN; GLS (Westbury on Severn/Longhope)
JUDSON/GEORGE; LEI (Eastwell/Plungar/Eaton/Branston)
NICHOL/STEWART/McFARLAND/HUNTER; TYR (close to Omagh)
-- [ From: Jeanne Barton * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --
Victor:
Thank you for your post of 11/9 - Very generous, and great leads for
the rest of us.
Its efforts like yours that make rootsweb so valuable, and is much
appreciated.
thanks
Jeanne
USA/VA - Clatterbucks
On Sat, 07 Nov 1998 04:10:41 GMT, v.paul(a)netaccess.co.nz (Victor Paul)
wrote:
In partial response to the query I'll repost the following , previously
sent by a list member.
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'An Account of the Principal Branches of the Family of Clutterbuck From
the Sixteenth Century to the Present Time'
Edited by Mark Edwin Northam Witchell & Christophe Roy Hudleston.
Privately Printed and Issued to the Subscribers by John Bellows, Eastgate,
Gloucester, 1924.
Copies can be found in the Gloucestershire collection at the Gloucester
library, and Gloucestershire library.
Extracts from the book can be found on my web page at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/8066
Be careful with the address, note the capital H of Heartland and R of
Ranch.
On the same site you can also find links to the Gloucestershire library
and Gloucestershire Records Office web sites- look in the Gloucestershire
links section.
The extracts cover two branches:
Clutterbuck of King Stanley & Leonard Stanley
Clutterbuck of Eastington, Co. Gloucester; Birmingham, and Lapworth, Co.
Warwick.
The book covers many other branches.
=========================================================
The book is pretty scarce but accessible via some libraries like the
above. A list member who has a copy has previously offered to do lookups
(not me unfortunately!). Post specific queries to this list.
The Latter Day Saints do not have a copy of the book in their library as
of three years ago. However they do have (paper only) copies in Salt Lake
City of "Gloucester Notes and Queries" , I expect these are available in
larger UK libraries too.
GN+Q seems to be the source material for much of the book. Per Stuart
Raymond's "Gloucestershire and Bristol : A Genealogical Bibliography" the
following issues of GN+Q cover Clutterbuck families : #3 (1887) pgs 6-9;
#5 (1894) pgs 378-93, 426-7, 454-60, 511-13 and 546-60; #6 (1896) pgs
13-16.
The LDS do have a microfiche(6017369) of a booklet that does cite GN+Q as
the source. It is "Collections relating to the family of Clutterbuck. Part
1" by Robert H Clutterbuck. Published 1894 by John White , Stroud,
Gloucestershire. The LDS catalogue note says "probably no more published"
in reference to the "part 1" of the title. Robert H Clutterbuck is listed
as one of the providers of manuscript material for the Witchell and
Hudleston book. (The other credited are Thomas W Cattell and W P W
Phillimore).
On my 'to do' list is a task to reconcile these three works - has anyone
else done or partially done this ?
As to where the Clutterbucks came from, the book says they are Dutch in
origin, not found in records in England earlier than the 15th century and
that there are still families in Holland using the name or minor variant
such as Cloterboke. The coat of arms used by English and Dutch
Clutterbucks is supposedly very similar. It suggests they are descended
from weavers whose settlement in England was encouraged by Kings in the
middle ages. The book notes two basic groups of English Clutterbucks (with
no established link) (1) those of Berkeley - copyholders of the castle
there in mid 15th C. (2) those of Gloucestershire - King Stanley/Leonard
Stanley/ Eastington/Frampton-on-Severn. For this secod group it suggests a
common ancestor Thomas Clotterbooke of Leonard Stanley whose eldest son
Richard died in 1591.
Other history books I've seen concur that many Flemish/Dutch woollen trade
workers were encouraged to Gloucestershire during the regein of Edward III
(1312 - 1377). A 1807 History of Gloucestershire by Thomas Fosbrooke
quotes an earlier (church?) history by Fuller (starting pg 33) that is
very amusing but too long to quote here.
Regards,
Victor Paul
>Hi there cousins,
>I am new to the list, and had been waiting to see what the members were
>commenting on before I got involved, however the list seems to be almost as
>quiet as the Langley list.
>
>I am descended from Anne Clutterbuck of Derryluskan, Tipperary, Ireland,
>who married Henry Langley in 1719.
>
>Thanks to Colin L. H. Burleigh who I was in correspondence with about ten
>years ago, (are you a member of the list Colin?) I can get back to Thomas
>Clutterbuck of Leonard Stanley in Glos who died circa 1551.
>
>Anyone else descended from the Irish branch? Is it possible to go back
>beyond 1550? Where and how did the name Clutterbuck come from?
>
>Cheers,
>Peter in Ireland.
>
Victor Paul, Christchurch, New Zealand
email: v.paul(a)netaccess.co.nz
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3742
Researching pre NZ migration:
PAUL/MORGAN; MDX (Poplar/Blackwall)
CLUTTERBUCK/BALDWIN; GLS (Westbury on Severn/Longhope)
JUDSON/GEORGE; LEI (Eastwell/Plungar/Eaton/Branston)
NICHOL/STEWART/McFARLAND/HUNTER; TYR (close to Omagh)
Victor Paul, Christchurch, New Zealand
email: v.paul(a)netaccess.co.nz
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3742
Researching pre NZ migration:
PAUL/MORGAN; MDX (Poplar/Blackwall)
CLUTTERBUCK/BALDWIN; GLS (Westbury on Severn/Longhope)
JUDSON/GEORGE; LEI (Eastwell/Plungar/Eaton/Branston)
NICHOL/STEWART/McFARLAND/HUNTER; TYR (close to Omagh)
-- [ From: Jeanne Barton * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --
Peter
Welcome to the list. I think you might be the first to mention an
Irish Clutterbuck.
My line is in Virginia, USA, so I'm not much help to you . But, I'm
keeping my eye on you cousins across the Atlantic - sooner or later
there has to be a connection. I have a William Clatterbuck back to 1730
in VA, at this point in time. Have no idea when he came here, or where
he landed.
There are a number of people on here with ties in England around your
dates - they will show up sooner or later <g>. Meanwhile, if any of you
folks on that side come across any kind of information mentioning
Clutterbucks leaving for the colonies, let me know.
Jeanne
p.s. Made my first trip to Ireland in July. Love it! I was too busy
sightseeing to even think about researching my families... planning
return trip next fall.
Hi there cousins,
I am new to the list, and had been waiting to see what the members were
commenting on before I got involved, however the list seems to be almost as
quiet as the Langley list.
I am descended from Anne Clutterbuck of Derryluskan, Tipperary, Ireland,
who married Henry Langley in 1719.
Thanks to Colin L. H. Burleigh who I was in correspondence with about ten
years ago, (are you a member of the list Colin?) I can get back to Thomas
Clutterbuck of Leonard Stanley in Glos who died circa 1551.
Anyone else descended from the Irish branch? Is it possible to go back
beyond 1550? Where and how did the name Clutterbuck come from?
Cheers,
Peter in Ireland.
I read of a book by WITCHELL, Mark Edwin Northam, & HUDLESTON, Christopher
Roy (eds)
"An account of the principal branches of the family of CLUTTERBUCK from the
sixteenth century to the present, chiefly based upon the Heralds'
visitations", originally published in 1924. Has anyone seen it or know of
anywhere to get hold of it?
from Kerry in Sydney