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To all
Amongst my family papers is a small blue leaflet proposing the publication, for
private circulation ,a book of the above title. Does anyone know if this was
ever published. I quote a paragraph from the leaflet which may be of relevence
even if the book never made it to print.
"The late Rev.R.H.Clutterbuck and his friend, the late
Mr.T.W.Cattell, made a remarkably full and interesting collection of notes from
the Public Record Office, the Probate Offices, Parish Registers, etc.,relative
to the family.
This collection forms the basis of the proposed
history, which will be supplemented with additional notes and also with
particulars from pedigrees and grants of arms recorded at Heralds College, to
which neither Mr. Clutterbuck nor Mr. Cattell had access."
Phillimore & Co were to be the publishers, at a price not to exceed One Guinea.
The leaflet is not dated.
I enquired in 1989 to Phillimore who had no reference of the book at all. The
Society of Geneologists also could not help.
So here I am, can modern technology and some helpfull soul finally solve this
one?
any help would be most gratefully received.
Thanks in anticipation,
Dave.
<still searching for Thomas CLUTTERBUCK b. 1824.- Somerset.
Hi Dave
Could this be:
'An Account of the Principal Branches of the Family of Clutterbuck From the Sixteenth
Century to the Present Time'
Edited by Mark Edwin Northam Witchell & Christophe Roy Hudleston.
Privately Printed and Issued to the Subscribers by John Bellows, Eastgate, Gloucester,
1924.
Copies can be found in the Gloucestershire collection at the Gloucester library, and
Gloucestershire library.
Extracts from the book can be found on my web page at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/8066
Be careful with the address, note the capital H of Heartland and R of Ranch.
On the same site you can also find links to the Gloucestershire library and
Gloucestershire Records Office web sites- look in the Gloucestershire links section.
The extracts cover two branches:
Clutterbuck of King Stanley & Leonard Stanley
Clutterbuck of Eastington, Co. Gloucester; Birmingham, and Lapworth, Co. Warwick.
The book covers many other branches. Unfortunately I do not have the book to hand, so
cannot provide a lookup.
Stuart
On Sat, 31 Jan 98 22:12:32 GMT, you wrote:
>To all
>Amongst my family papers is a small blue leaflet proposing the publication, for
>private circulation ,a book of the above title. Does anyone know if this was
>ever published. I quote a paragraph from the leaflet which may be of relevence
>even if the book never made it to print.
>
> "The late Rev.R.H.Clutterbuck and his friend, the late
>Mr.T.W.Cattell, made a remarkably full and interesting collection of notes from
>the Public Record Office, the Probate Offices, Parish Registers, etc.,relative
>to the family.
> This collection forms the basis of the proposed
>history, which will be supplemented with additional notes and also with
>particulars from pedigrees and grants of arms recorded at Heralds College, to
>which neither Mr. Clutterbuck nor Mr. Cattell had access."
>
>Phillimore & Co were to be the publishers, at a price not to exceed One Guinea.
>The leaflet is not dated.
>I enquired in 1989 to Phillimore who had no reference of the book at all. The
>Society of Geneologists also could not help.
>So here I am, can modern technology and some helpfull soul finally solve this
>one?
>any help would be most gratefully received.
> Thanks in anticipation,
> Dave.
>
><still searching for Thomas CLUTTERBUCK b. 1824.- Somerset.
>
Researching: FLIGHT, anywhere; GARDINER; CLEEVLAND; HAINES; HAYWARD; PALZER; CLUTTERBUCK, all Glos.
FLIGHT database http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/8066
Hello all,
This is my first message to this list so please bare with me. Iam trying to
locate the birth of Thomas CLUTTERBUCK b. approx 1824 in Somerset
m. Amelia PASCOE 30th May 1866 in Weston Super Mare,
Somerset
Father, Thomas CLUTTERBUCK
I know Thomas and Amelia were living in Bristol at 3, Sydney Terrace, Mina Rd.
with 3 children
Emily b. 1868 < Weston
Louisa b. 1869 < Pinstone, Yorks
John b. 1870 < Somerset
Another son Thomas, was born 2nd Dec.1871, he took up an apprenticeship as a
Butcher in 1889 with a Robert Smith in Grantham , Lincs. His father was a
solicitors Clerk in Grantham
ANY. help would be greatly appreciated .Thanks for reading
this, Dave Ward
-- [ From: JP Barton * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --
FYI, my line:
William Clatterbuck b. ca 1740, probably father of
/
James Clatterbuck b. ca 1759, lived Caroline Co. VA.
/
Reuben Clatterbuck b. ca 1798, prob. Culpeper Co. VA. Married 3 May
1827 at Madison Co. VA. to Judith Broyles, dau. of James & Nancy (Taylor
) Broyles
/
John Moses Clatterbuck b. 13 Aug 1845 VA, (CSA), m. 17 Dec 1868 at
Fauquier Co. VA. to Sarah Jane Cockrill, dau. of John Thomas & Leticia
(Bailey) Cockrill.
/
Alice Belle Clatterbuck b. 22 Oct 1889, m. 31 Dec 1912 Wash.DC to John
Andrew Porter III. (my grandparents)
Jeanne Porter Barton
Hyattsville, Maryland
This is not a hoax!! They have told me this numerous times. They used to
keep files for 10 years, then 5yrs. and now they are lucky to keep the
files for 1 year. More than one person has told me this. In fact, try to
get a file from someone who died 5 years ago. Good luck! That doesn't
mean the SS5, but the file. Call the Social Security office yourself. I
have, several times and talked to different people.
You're right about using your research skills. But if you disbelieve
everything why belong?
Sandy
At 12:27 1/10/98 -0700, HettrickHill wrote:
>PLEASE - STOP!
>How do we know this isn't a hoax?
>Let's check it out before spamming the internet.
>We just finishing cycling through the Hoax chain letter about the FCC -
>let's not start another one.
>I wrote to Diane Goldhammer to find her sources of information - but now I
>see that she was just blindly passing it on from James Baker, so I have
>written to him.
>If it is true, I'm sure we have at least two weeks to check it out first.
>Use your research skills - don't just believe everything because it comes
>on a genealogical mailing list.
>
>Diane Hettrick
>dhettrick(a)earthlink.net
>==================
>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:33:41 -0600
>> > From: JRBAKERJR <JRBAKERJR(a)prodigy.net>
>> > To: Diane Goldhammer <diane105(a)juno.com>
>> > Cc: WALL-L(a)rootsweb.com, CLUTTERBUCK-L(a)rootsweb.com,
>> > mendenhall-list(a)mendenhall.org, Missouri-L(a)rootsweb.com,
>> > CONN-L(a)rootsweb.com, ksgen-l(a)sirius.dsenter.com,
>> jrigdon(a)mail.gabn.net,
>> > trice(a)usroots.com, ks(a)usgenweb.com
>> > Subject: Re: IMPORTANT!!! Social Security Records are being destroyed!
>> >
>> > Diane Goldhammer wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I just talked with a gentleman at Social Security and he informed me
>> that
>> > > ALL records that have been determined to have no earned benefits (where
>> > > the person would never qualify for benefits) or had died and there were
>> > > no survivors to collect benefits are being destroyed!!! Why do you
>> ask
>> > > would they do such a thing??? To save _money_ on storage.
>> > >
>> > > He informed me that if we are concerned about this we should contact
>> our
>> > > Congress person and let them know that this information is of
>> historical
>> > > value.
>> > >
>> > > Of the four files I needed, all the information that was of
>> genealogical
>> > > value had been destroyed! Place of birth, parents names, ect. It makes
>> > > me sick!
>> > >
>> > > Call, write, email, or telegram your Congress person today!
>> > >
>> > > Diane Goldhammer E-Mail diane105(a)juno.com
>
>> >
>> > Sirs:
>> > Please do something to stop this destruction of records that are of
>> > great genealogical value.
>> >
>> > James R. Baker
>
>
>
PLEASE - STOP!
How do we know this isn't a hoax?
Let's check it out before spamming the internet.
We just finishing cycling through the Hoax chain letter about the FCC -
let's not start another one.
I wrote to Diane Goldhammer to find her sources of information - but now I
see that she was just blindly passing it on from James Baker, so I have
written to him.
If it is true, I'm sure we have at least two weeks to check it out first.
Use your research skills - don't just believe everything because it comes
on a genealogical mailing list.
Diane Hettrick
dhettrick(a)earthlink.net
==================
> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:33:41 -0600
> > From: JRBAKERJR <JRBAKERJR(a)prodigy.net>
> > To: Diane Goldhammer <diane105(a)juno.com>
> > Cc: WALL-L(a)rootsweb.com, CLUTTERBUCK-L(a)rootsweb.com,
> > mendenhall-list(a)mendenhall.org, Missouri-L(a)rootsweb.com,
> > CONN-L(a)rootsweb.com, ksgen-l(a)sirius.dsenter.com,
> jrigdon(a)mail.gabn.net,
> > trice(a)usroots.com, ks(a)usgenweb.com
> > Subject: Re: IMPORTANT!!! Social Security Records are being destroyed!
> >
> > Diane Goldhammer wrote:
> > >
> > > I just talked with a gentleman at Social Security and he informed me
> that
> > > ALL records that have been determined to have no earned benefits (where
> > > the person would never qualify for benefits) or had died and there were
> > > no survivors to collect benefits are being destroyed!!! Why do you
> ask
> > > would they do such a thing??? To save _money_ on storage.
> > >
> > > He informed me that if we are concerned about this we should contact
> our
> > > Congress person and let them know that this information is of
> historical
> > > value.
> > >
> > > Of the four files I needed, all the information that was of
> genealogical
> > > value had been destroyed! Place of birth, parents names, ect. It makes
> > > me sick!
> > >
> > > Call, write, email, or telegram your Congress person today!
> > >
> > > Diane Goldhammer E-Mail diane105(a)juno.com
> >
> > Sirs:
> > Please do something to stop this destruction of records that are of
> > great genealogical value.
> >
> > James R. Baker
Several people have emailed me thinking I had spammed the lists. This
isn't true. As you can see by my signature I am very involved with
genealogy on the web and am very cautious about posting information
without being very sure of my facts.
Yes, this was my personal experience. I called the 800 number in my
phone book to ask about getting Social Security information in person.
The gentleman that I talked to asked me what kind of information I was
looking for and then proceeded to explain to me what was happening to the
records.
Basically what happens is a tech looks at each folder and determines what
information needs to be saved and the rest is destroyed. Only the name,
birth date, and social security number is kept.
If you have received info from Social Security it's because they haven't
reviewed that folder yet. But you can be assured that it will be if it
meets the criteria I cited in my first email.
This gentleman was very helpful in trying to help me locate information
and of four names he could only find info on one person and that was only
a birth date. The file containing his birth place, parents names, ect.
had been destroyed.
This gentleman was a fellow genealogist who was aware of the significance
of the records and was appalled that this was happening.
I am saddened that anyone would think this is a spam letter. I do
understand why people in the genealogy community could never conceive of
this happening. But we are dealing with the government here!
If you are still in doubt, call Social Security yourself and ask.
Diane Goldhammer E-Mail diane105(a)juno.com
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Diane Goldhammer wrote:
>
> I just talked with a gentleman at Social Security and he informed me that
> ALL records that have been determined to have no earned benefits (where
> the person would never qualify for benefits) or had died and there were
> no survivors to collect benefits are being destroyed!!! Why do you ask
> would they do such a thing??? To save _money_ on storage.
>
> He informed me that if we are concerned about this we should contact our
> Congress person and let them know that this information is of historical
> value.
>
> Of the four files I needed, all the information that was of genealogical
> value had been destroyed! Place of birth, parents names, ect. It makes
> me sick!
>
> Call, write, email, or telegram your Congress person today!
>
> Diane Goldhammer E-Mail diane105(a)juno.com
> Millard County Volunteer
> http://www.lofthouse.com/USA/Utah/millard.html
> Logan County Volunteer
> http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/logan/index.html
> Rooks County Volunteer
> http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/rooks/index.html
> Russell County Volunteer
> http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/russell/index.html
> Hungary World GenWeb
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~whungar/index.html
> Personal Web Page
> http://www.softcom.net/users/dianeg/surnames/html
Diane,
A message to:
house(a)mailbot.com
sends a message to every member of the House who has an e-mail address.
I just forwarded your message to them with a note of my own.
Jim
Diane Goldhammer wrote:
>
> I just talked with a gentleman at Social Security and he informed me that
> ALL records that have been determined to have no earned benefits (where
> the person would never qualify for benefits) or had died and there were
> no survivors to collect benefits are being destroyed!!! Why do you ask
> would they do such a thing??? To save _money_ on storage.
>
> He informed me that if we are concerned about this we should contact our
> Congress person and let them know that this information is of historical
> value.
>
> Of the four files I needed, all the information that was of genealogical
> value had been destroyed! Place of birth, parents names, ect. It makes
> me sick!
>
> Call, write, email, or telegram your Congress person today!
>
> Diane Goldhammer E-Mail diane105(a)juno.com
> Millard County Volunteer
> http://www.lofthouse.com/USA/Utah/millard.html
> Logan County Volunteer
> http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/logan/index.html
> Rooks County Volunteer
> http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/rooks/index.html
> Russell County Volunteer
> http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/russell/index.html
> Hungary World GenWeb
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~whungar/index.html
> Personal Web Page
> http://www.softcom.net/users/dianeg/surnames/html
Sirs:
Please do something to stop this destruction of records that are of
great genealogical value.
James R. Baker
Happy New Year to y'all and good luck with your CLUTTERBUCK research
in 1998.
A contribution to kick off the new year and of course I'm still
interested in any CLUTTERBUCKs from the Westbury-on-Severn, Hasfield
or Ashleworth areas of Gloucestershire ..................
=========================
I checked out the 1841 census for central Gloucester - there were
quite
a few Clutterbucks and you might as well have them all while I am at
it....
St Michael:
Parkers Row:
Hannah Clutterbuck 25 (Visitor?) Y
(with Herbert and Elizabeth Jones, both aged 25)
St Nicholas:
Norman's Row:
Selina Clutterbuck 5 Y
(with Thomas (Pagen?) 35 Porter Y
St Nicholas:
Quay STreet
Samuel Clutterbuck 35(38?) Cordwainer N
Infirmary:
Charlotte Clutterbuck 9 (Servant?) Y
College Green:
Charles Clutterbuck 15 Scholar Y
St Mary de Cryot:
Black Bear Square:
Walter Clutterbuck 35 Attorney at law Y
Eliza Clutterbuck 30 Y
Eliza Clutterbuck 20 Ind. Y
Maria Clutterbuck 15 Y
Southgate Street:
Jonah Clutterbuck 36 Confectioner Y
Esther 35 Y
Emma 13 Y
Fanny 11 Y
Charles 6 Y
Jane 4 Y
Catherine 2 Y
Walter 6m Y
Hare Lane:
John Clutterbuck 20 Gardener Y
Hare Lane:
William Clutterbuck 35 Innkeeper Y
Ann 30 Y
N.K. 2days Y
Tewkesbury Road
Jane Clutterbuck 20 FS Y
St Catherine's:
Water STreet
Mary Clutterbuck 70 Nurse Y
and finally
Northgate Street:
William Clutterbuck 70 Farrier Y
Sarah Clutterbuck 60 Y
William Clutterbuck 20 Y
Cheers, Victor
Victor Paul, Christchurch, New Zealand
email: v.paul(a)netaccess.co.nz
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3742
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