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Author: bjmartin261
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Is Walter Dean Snyder a relative of yours? If so, he married two of my Uncle's, Roy Cluff, daughters: Joyce and Norma. I have no information on Walter Dean Snyder so I know nothing about the Holloways or Crewse families. Shawn Snyder if Joyce and Walter's granddaughter by marriage. She would be a better contact than I.
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Author: judithannevanover
Surnames: HOLLOWAY AND CREWSE,CREWS CRUZ AND ON AND ON
Classification: queries
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I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE RELATED TO THE HOLLOWAYS OR CREWSE FAMILY'S BUT DOLLIE ELLEN CREWSE WAS MY GREAT GRAND MOTHERS SISTER. MY GG MOTHER LYDIA ARRILLA ARVILLA CREWSE / SNYDER. THE LAST NAME CREWSE HAS MANY VARIATIONS SOME PEOPLE TAKING CENSUS DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO SPELL.THERE IS EVIDENCE CHILDREN IN SAME FAMILY SPELLED LAST NAME DIFFERENT OR THEY THEM SELVES WERENT PRESSENT WHEN CENSUS TAKER CAME AROUND. I'VE EVEN FOUND WHERE WRONG SEX WAS STATED FOR A CHILD.PLEASE CONTACT ME JUDY
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Author: MaryWilson585
Surnames: CLOUGH, CLUFF, DUGAN, O'DONNELL
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John CLOUGH/CLUFF, b abt 1820 in Ireland (unknown county) and died bet 1880 and 1900 in Philadelphia, PA. Wife's name was Margaret DUGAN, b abt 1830 in Donegal, Ireland, died after 1880 in Philadelphia PA. John's parents may have been Barney (Bernard?) and Ellen (O'DONNELL) CLOUGH.
In 1880 Census, John and wife Margaret lived on Bainbridge St in Philadelphia and had two sons, Joseph Francis CLUFF, b 4 Jun 1860 and d 8 Jun 1922, Phila., PA, and Bernard, b abt 1862 and d after Jun 1922.
Son Joseph F. CLOUGH/CLUFF and wife Mary GANNON (b 1856 Westport, Mayo, Ireland) had 13 children, 7 of which survived childhood: Sarah (1884), Margaret (1889), Mary Ellen (1891), Katherine (abt 1893-1897) John Joseph (1894), Elizabeth (1896), Agnes Mary (1898) and Julia (1900).
Looking for any hints on the older parents, "Barney" CLOUGH and wife Ellen O'DONNELL, who may or may not have immigrated.
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Dick Eastman writes about "Governor Eliminates Michigan State Library"
at:
http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2009/07/governor-eliminate...
Thanks Gina for sharing the following:
> From: tom(a)mimgc.org
> To: gengirl51(a)aol.com
> Sent: 7/21/2009 6:32:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
> Subj: MGC Library of Michigan update
>
> Good morning,
>
> Here are two of the many, many e-mails received by the Michigan
> Genealogical Council over the past week in support of the Library of
> Michigan.
>
> The first one is a letter to the Governor from our Vice-President,
> Sue Irvine. The second is a report of Lt. John Cherry’s Town Hall
> meeting in Detroit, on Thursday, July 15. The disturbing thing
> about these Town Hall meetings is they have very little advance
> notice of where and when they are being held.
>
>
>
> Please share the news with your Society membership. The Library of
> Michigan needs our help NOW. There was a shocking article in the
> Lansing State Journal on Sunday, July 19 outlining the Governor’s
> plans for the Michigan Historical Center, the building that houses
> the Library and Archives of Michigan. Please add your comments to
> the bottom of this article. The Lansing State Journal article is
> located at: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20090719/NEWS06/907190625/1102...
> .
>
>
>
> In addition, please write to your State senator and State
> representative urging support for Senate Bills 503-527. SB 518 is
> the one, which specifically addresses the Library. These bills
> would place the parts of History, Arts, and Libraries under the
> Secretary of State. From the comments, we have been hearing and
> reading, MSU is not interested in all of the assets of the Library
> of Michigan, in fact the Executive Order instructs them to break up
> parts of the collection.
>
>
>
> As Sue mentions in her letter, our website is being updated daily.
> The newer items are on our home page, http://mimgc.org. Older items
> can be found by visiting the Legislative Items page, which can be
> found on the left hand menu or directly at http://mimgc.org/legislation.html
> .
>
>
> The Michigan Genealogical Council is planning an event where we can
> show our support for the Library; details will be available as soon
> as everything is finalized.
>
>
>
> Tom Koselka, Corresponding Secretary
>
> Michigan Genealogical Council
>
>
>
>
>
> LIBRARY OF MICHIGAN
> – is in an ominous position!!!
>
>
>
> “The Value of the State Library” (June 28, 2009) article by Candy
> Spiegel , Livingston Daily news, says it very well! Read her
> article and others at http://MIMGC.org
>
>
>
> Here are some more thoughts!
>
> If you don’t know where you come from, how will you know where
> you’re going!? Genealogy is the 2nd biggest hobby in the United
> States! People travel across the country finding records and
> photos. Knowing a relative served in the Civil War makes the study
> of history more interesting! WWI, WWII, Were my relatives in the
> service? Which battles? Were they community leaders? Why do I
> enjoy art? What about my health? My DNA?
>
>
>
> When Michigan’s governor came out with her executive order on July
> 13th the family history research community was in shock! “Surely
> there’s a mistake!” She’s not going to split up the 10th largest
> collection in the United States?” Michigan State University
> doesn’t want it. MSU needs classrooms and teachers. Where would
> be park?? Roger Moffat calculated that Granholm’s idea would save
> only $2 million. A drop in the bucket! “If everyone in Michigan
> paid $0.30 we could cover that!”
>
>
>
> Then we heard more! She’s planning to “rent out” our building?
> For a high school? 500 students? It’s supposed to save $9
> million? That’s the combine History, Arts, and Libraries budget.
> (Is she including the archives in her plan?) The Library of Michigan
> has a special heating/cooling system designed for open shelving of
> books. Sound travels from floor to floor in the large open center.
> Her idea would require extensive heating/cooling changes along with
> the need for increased bathroom facilities – costing much more than
> “rent” money. I’m wondering if the Lansing area Schools have funds
> to “rent” such a building in the first place. Who’d be their
> students? Does our governor think this idea would “pass” so the
> legislators’ kids had a cool new building?? Is that a “good” use
> of the 10th largest Genealogical collection?
>
>
>
> Capital Area District Libraries? The Lansing Library system keeps
> their historical and biographical materials in the basement of the
> Forest Parke Library. Thousands of photographs, dozens of family
> and personal manuscripts, original artwork, pre civil war diaries.
> Boxes and boxes! Lansing Libraries open this collection for 4
> hours twice per month! They cannot afford hire staff for the
> collection they have. They certainly can’t cram much more in that
> basement!
>
>
>
> We, the genealogical community know that times are tough! But
> “Tough times make Tough people!” to borrow a book title! 180 +
> years of collecting Michigan’s story. Have you touched a copy of
> your family’s history that’s 150 years old …a book actually written
> by your great-great-relative. Have you seen his “mark”? What
> about his log mark? Have you said “Thank God, someone saved this
> book!” “I knew great grandparents came to Michigan – but didn’t
> know in which county to look!” “Whow! Grandpa came to Michigan
> from New York! Look – here’s a book with his name written 100
> years ago” “Thank you! Thank you!” We hear those comments all the
> time at the Library of Michigan! Donations mostly! Part of our
> collection is from generous contributions from The Abrams
> Foundation. Millions of dollars throughout the years! Donations,
> gifts, and great leadership built our collection! The Library of
> Michigan has a vision!
>
> Michigan residents can be VERY proud of the State’s Collection. In
> Fort Wayne, the Allen County Public Library draws hundreds of people
> to their facility year after year – just to do genealogical
> research. Ft.Wayne has facilities for visitors! They’ve had
> national conventions! They sponsor multiple yearly events focusing
> on the use their collection. The Library of Michigan could do the
> same. Michigan residents would do better to publicize our State
> Resource. Granholm wants JOBS? Build a few motels/hotels/inns to
> accommodate visitors in the area just like they do in Indiana! (no
> – don’t use our library for a hotel either!!!). Advertisers, trip
> coordinators, clerks, wait staff!! Promulgate Lansing area
> events. Our library is free! How about coupons for food or
> motels? Advertize tours of the library and museum. Add the
> Library of Michigan to the tourism brochures!
>
>
>
> Sue Irvine,
>
> Vice-president, Michigan Genealogical Council.
>
> 4215 Northgate St NE
>
> Grand Rapids, Mi 49525
>
> 616-364-9629
>
> sjirv(a)yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Where to look:
>
> http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(twnw5o4520diom45tdocax45))/mileg.aspx?pa...
>
>
>
> Senate districts:
>
> http://senate.michigan.gov/2003/senatedistricts.pdf
>
>
>
> Representative districts:
>
> http://www.michigan.gov/documents/House_state_16750_7.pdf
>
>
>
> From: Mary Lou Duncan
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 10:56 PM
> To:
> Subject: "Town Hall Meeting" last Thursday night
>
> Hi all,
>
> This is fairly urgent. There is to be another "Town Hall Meeting"
> chaired by Lieut. Governor Cherry this week in Royal Oak. I believe
> it is to be held at Royal Oak High School, but I don't know the day.
> It will again be scheduled from 6 to 7:30 p.m. - still light out. I
> think it would help our cause to have at least five or six people
> from genealogical societies attend the meeting and speak out for
> retaining the Library of Michigan and the Archives. Perhaps some
> from the Oakland Co. Gen. Society could make it. These meetings are
> NOT well publicized. There was a brief article in the Detroit Free
> Press Thursday, the morning of the meeting. It said that it would be
> at Wayne State but no mention of whether tickets would be needed or
> what building it would be in. It took me four phone calls to various
> departments at Wayne before I could get the information - and then
> it was 4 p.m. and I was told I should be there by
> 5:15 p.m. [For Joanne - I was safe enough. It was right across the
> street from the parking structure and a police car was there
> afterwards.] It is billed to be a Town Meeting on "Streamlining
> State Government" but has nothing to do with it. If you search on
> Google for "Seven Core Functions of Government" it will take you to
> the office of Governor page that contains them. They are full of the
> type of "mission statements" that will bring "yes" votes on the
> little clickers. The people in the audience are given clickers to
> vote "yes" or "no" after each of the seven statements are read. The
> tally is then shown on a screen. At the end one man said, "You are
> going to go back to Lansing and tell everyone that the public
> overwhelmingly is in favor of what is written, when, in reality it
> is about means, not ends, and is so general that you get "yes"
> votes. [Think of motherhood and apple pie.]
> However, at the end of reading each statement, the audience is
> encouraged to comment and a mike is given to the person raising his
> hand. The last sentence under 2. Education is "The state should
> provide a statewide public library system to support the continuum
> of education for both our children and adult citizens." I stood and
> asked how they could say that and then close the LIbrary of Michigan
> and give some of the collection to Michigan State University for
> their library where parking for elderly adults and the infirm would
> be extremely difficult and end participation in MelCat that enabled
> citizens around Michigan to find the location of books and check
> them out, having them sent to their local library - and how could
> they break up a collection that was started 180 years ago? After
> they finished all seven "statements", they asked for additional
> comments. I immediately held up my hand and asked why they would
> want to break up a collection and library that was one of the ten
> most outstanding libraries in the U.S. for local history and
> genealogy. I said, "Mothball it, shorten hours, charge if you must,
> but DON'T break up the the collection - once gone, it is permanently
> GONE." I also read the most important points of the Executive Order
> for those who didn't know about it. State Representative Fred
> Durhal, Jr., District 6 (that includes Wayne area), took exception
> to my remarks. He introduced himself to the group and said he was on
> the Appropriations Committee and deep cuts MUST be made even if we
> don't like them. He said U of M in the Gutenberg Project is
> providing thousands of scanned books and he seemed to think that
> those in the Library of Michigan were covered (they are not all
> covered.) Anyway, I had several other people give me the "thumbs up"
> sign when I was done with my passionate plea to retain the library
> You can reach Fred Durhal, Jr. at P.O. Box 30014, Lansing, MI
> 48909-7514; or freddurhal(a)house.mi.gov or toll-free (877) 877-9007
>
> If others went to the Town Hall Meeting this week in Royal Oak, they
> could also comment after the section on Education and at the close.
> I would suggest some sitting in one row and some in another and more
> than one person asking to speak in the roving mike. That way, there
> would be multiple people being vocal about their support. They could
> each mention a different aspect of the order. Isn't "Eliminating
> or transferring to other suitable institutions the Federal Documents
> Depository and the non-Michigan Genealogy collection" somewhat akin
> to "book burning"? Are not books relating to the first thirteen
> colonies essential to history research on the formation of the
> United States? Isn't the role of New York in sending people to
> Michigan important to our state history? Many points could be made.
> I think a call to the Royal Oak newspaper or police department or
> high school might elicit the date of the Town Hall Meeting but I
> know it is scheduled for this week. Obviously, they don't want many
> people to show up. Call or email Lt Gov. John Cherry's office to
> find out. The more the merrier!
>
> FYI: There were only 12 people in the auditorium at 5:52 p.m., 26
> people at 6:06 p.m. They didn't start until 6:22 and at a max there
> were 35 people including about 7 Wayne Univ. administrators. All
> Wayne staff were urged by email to attend. Obviously, it didn't work.
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
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