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Author: clairegrey
Surnames: Cluff Dearie
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Mary Dearie is a relation of mine. I am descended from her sister Annie. I have a photograph of Mary with her two boys, one I think was called Dick. I know quite a bit about her family. But know nothing about Burgess Cluff.
Is this any use?
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Hi Nancy,
It seems my e-mail was delayed by over a week. According to a recent e-mail
on the list I see that you have figured out the difference in how the
companies record their results.
Best wishes with your DNA project! :-)
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Hi, Anne!
You have been on this list for a long time. Thank you for your
loyalty to your CLUFF ancestry! Sometimes I think my Charlie Cluff
is the one who climbed out from under that rock long ago. That's why
I'm attempting to figure out his parents through DNA. All I can tell
you is to remain persistent. Have you attempted researching all the
siblings in each generation...? Sometimes you will find leads from
the strangest places. Have you gathered everyones census records...?
I took a look at Richard and Irena in the 1850 and see that Homer was
born in New York. Were you aware of this...? If not, please write me
directly to my email address of siders(a)cableone.net.
Best of luck!
Later...Nancy
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On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:13 AM, Ann Epstein wrote:
> Hi Nancy, this is in reply to my Cluff
> ancestor, Fidelia Caroline Cluff, who was born in 1830,was told by
> my grandmother and her sister that she was from Oklahoma. If that is
> so then she may well have been in the Trail Of Tears, she would have
> been about a year or under and there is no background as to where
> the Cherokee Nation she was from came from. I have no idea as to
> what I can do, she did marry an English man from Vermont and he went
> to Wisconsin , Appleton, where they married , not sure if they
> married in Vermont or Appleton, WI. My object is to find out where
> she was buried and since they lived in Appleton It could be there.
> But when I tried to get information they don't get back to me or
> tell me it's not true that Fidelia was a Native American, What
> people don't understand is it was passed on done to our generation
> from Fidelia's and Richard's first son, Homer. Richard e loomis and
> Fidelia had four children, Homer E, Jane,Leonora, & Hel!
> en Loomis. They had four children and no doubt they passed it on to
> all there families
> Fidelia died in 1844 at age 26, Richard
> was married within a year to Irena Whitney and they had seven more
> children, Richard as well as his first born son, Homer, and his
> first born son, Charles R, all went into the Civil War together.
> Who do I have to get in touch with to help me? I live in Florida and
> I'm not getting any younger and would like to find Fidelia for my
> sake and to know she had a place in history. I feel there has to be
> a way but which way, would It be a good idea to go to Wisconsin?
> Would they help me if I went? Please give me your advice as to what
> is the best way to solve this
> I would appreciate any help you can
> give. Thank you, Ann Epstein ( nepstein(a)cfl.rr.com)
>
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Hi Nancy, this is in reply to my Cluff ancestor, Fidelia Caroline Cluff, who was born in 1830,was told by my grandmother and her sister that she was from Oklahoma. If that is so then she may well have been in the Trail Of Tears, she would have been about a year or under and there is no background as to where the Cherokee Nation she was from came from. I have no idea as to what I can do, she did marry an English man from Vermont and he went to Wisconsin , Appleton, where they married , not sure if they married in Vermont or Appleton, WI. My object is to find out where she was buried and since they lived in Appleton It could be there. But when I tried to get information they don't get back to me or tell me it's not true that Fidelia was a Native American, What people don't understand is it was passed on done to our generation from Fidelia's and Richard's first son, Homer. Richard e loomis and Fidelia had four children, Homer E, Jane,Leonora, & Helen Loomis. They had four children and no doubt they passed it on to all there families
Fidelia died in 1844 at age 26, Richard was married within a year to Irena Whitney and they had seven more children, Richard as well as his first born son, Homer, and his first born son, Charles R, all went into the Civil War together. Who do I have to get in touch with to help me? I live in Florida and I'm not getting any younger and would like to find Fidelia for my sake and to know she had a place in history. I feel there has to be a way but which way, would It be a good idea to go to Wisconsin? Would they help me if I went? Please give me your advice as to what is the best way to solve this
I would appreciate any help you can give. Thank you, Ann Epstein ( nepstein(a)cfl.rr.com)
Hi, Folks!
With Barb Martin of Frankfort, IL's help, we have made major progress
in the CLUFF ancestry quest. Barb encouraged her Uncle Stanley Cluff
of Oregon to perform a Y-DNA test with Ancestry.com (AC). In
consulting, Smolenyak and Turner's book entitled TRACE YOUR ROOTS WITH
DNA, Using Genetic Tests to Explore Your Family Tree, I found that the
classic AMH markers (DYS19, DYS388, DYS390, DYS391, DYS392, and
DYS393) which Uncle Stanley's match with my brother's Y-DNA test from
Oxford Ancestors (OA) of several years ago. AMH stands for Atlantic
Modal Haplotype, frequently found in countries near the Atlantic Ocean.
There was one other marker of my brother's that matched with Uncle
Stanley's (DYS426). However, there were two markers (DYS389i and
DYS389ii) which didn't match. In addition, one of the OA markers
(DYS425) is not included in the AC testing so that is currently an
unknown marker result.
These results move us much closer to the long-held theory of mine that
Charles C. CLUFF and Parnell P. CLUFF were closely related; perhaps
not brothers as I had hoped but possibly as close as first
cousins...? Any other theories...? Both Parnell and Charles lived in
neighboring counties in southern Ohio at the same time. There was a
seven year difference in their ages with Charles being the oldest,
born in 1815 in Kentucky according to census records. Parnell stated
that he was born in Ohio in 1822 but they both stated in the 1880
census, their father was born in Maryland.
Where does one go from here...?
1. I'm wondering what results we would find if my brother took the
same DNA test as Barb's Uncle Stanley did at Ancestry.com. Would it
show anything further..? He now knows that there is nothing to doing
the test so I don't think I'd have any problem persuading him, as long
as I continued to cover the finances! ;)
2. It would be wonderful to find a male descendant of the John
CLOUGH who lived with Reuben CLOUGH on the 1850 Clark Co., Illinois
census but living in Pike Co., Ohio in 1840. He too claimed Kentucky
as his birth place (1813). To do the DNA test, this descendant would
need to have the CLOUGH or CLUFF surname. For those not familiar with
my "long-held theory", Reuben could be the father of any of six males
(John, Charles, Parnell, James, Thomas and William) who lived in
southern Ohio. Reuben married Catherine HENTON in Woodford Co.,
Kentucky in 1811.
3. Another direction we could take, would be to have a male
descendant with the CLOUGH/CLUFF surname of Thomas CLOUGH who also
lived in the same county as Parnell (Pike County, Ohio). Thomas was
born in 1828. Wouldn't it be grand to see how Thomas' descendant's
DNA match with those we already have!
Before I close, I must tell you for the first time or remind others of
some relevant matches for my brother's DNA :
1. Susan Clough Wyatt's George CLOUGH of Virginia (b 1820) is only
off by one marker. At that time, it was figured that we had a common
ancestor about 200 years ago. How does that effect the relationship
between Charles and Parnell where they have 2 and possible 3 markers
off.
2. Cathie Coyle's Samuel CLOUGH who emigrated from Cheshire, England
ca 1880 was a perfect match. This pretty much told us for the first
time that our Cluff's were originally from England. Our clan came
over to the US much earlier than Cathie's. Research is needed in
determining who in Cathie's family came to America before 1815.
3. John Clow's Prince Edward Island's CLOW's are a "close match" to
my brother's DNA.
These three matches are pretty conclusive evidence that CLUFF/CLOUGH/
CLOW are synonymous.
You can imagine how much I feel DNA studies are extremely significant
in our future research allowing conclusions not necessarily based on
historical documents. However, like so much of genealogy research,
the DNA results can bring up more questions than answers.
I have bcc'd in this email those individuals I have corresponded with
concerning our surname as well as relatives. I am open to all for
suggestions and assistance. We've come so far and I thank all of you
for your contributions!
Later...Nancy
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To look backward for a while is to refresh the eye, to restore it, and
to
render it the more fit for its prime function of looking forward.
~Margaret
Fairless Barber