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Hi Nancy,
What were the Ancestry results for DYS 389i and DYS 389ii? The reason I ask
is because I have seen previous Ancestry results when compared to Oxford
Ancestors results and the two companies were, at least, giving the results
differently. Having worked for OA for several years I understand how OA shows
their results.
I have seen Ancestry give a large number for DYS 389ii whereas OA subtracts
the result of DYS 389i from the result of DYS 389ii. For example, with our
Clough results our number for DYS 389i is 10 and our result for DYS 389ii is
16. However, from results I have seen some time ago from Ancestry, they would
have had 26 for our DYS 389ii result.
Let me know if this helps.
Best Wishes,
Sheila Andersen
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Hi, Folks!
With Barb Martin of Frankfort, IL's help, we have made major progress
in the CLUFF ancestry quest. Barb encouraged her Uncle Stanley Cluff
of Oregon to perform a Y-DNA test with Ancestry.com (AC). In
consulting, Smolenyak and Turner's book entitled TRACE YOUR ROOTS WITH
DNA, Using Genetic Tests to Explore Your Family Tree, I found that the
classic AMH markers (DYS19, DYS388, DYS390, DYS391, DYS392, and
DYS393) which Uncle Stanley's match with my brother's Y-DNA test from
Oxford Ancestors (OA) of several years ago. AMH stands for Atlantic
Modal Haplotype, frequently found in countries near the Atlantic Ocean.
There was one other marker of my brother's that matched with Uncle
Stanley's (DYS426). However, there were two markers (DYS389i and
DYS389ii) which didn't match. In addition, one of the OA markers
(DYS425) is not included in the AC testing so that is currently an
unknown marker result.
These results move us much closer to the long-held theory of mine that
Charles C. CLUFF and Parnell P. CLUFF were closely related; perhaps
not brothers as I had hoped but possibly as close as first
cousins...? Any other theories...? Both Parnell and Charles lived in
neighboring counties in southern Ohio at the same time. There was a
seven year difference in their ages with Charles being the oldest,
born in 1815 in Kentucky according to census records. Parnell stated
that he was born in Ohio in 1822 but they both stated in the 1880
census, their father was born in Maryland.
Where does one go from here...?
1. I'm wondering what results we would find if my brother took the
same DNA test as Barb's Uncle Stanley did at Ancestry.com. Would it
show anything further..? He now knows that there is nothing to doing
the test so I don't think I'd have any problem persuading him, as long
as I continued to cover the finances! ;)
2. It would be wonderful to find a male descendant of the John
CLOUGH who lived with Reuben CLOUGH on the 1850 Clark Co., Illinois
census but living in Pike Co., Ohio in 1840. He too claimed Kentucky
as his birth place (1813). To do the DNA test, this descendant would
need to have the CLOUGH or CLUFF surname. For those not familiar with
my "long-held theory", Reuben could be the father of any of six males
(John, Charles, Parnell, James, Thomas and William) who lived in
southern Ohio. Reuben married Catherine HENTON in Woodford Co.,
Kentucky in 1811.
3. Another direction we could take, would be to have a male
descendant with the CLOUGH/CLUFF surname of Thomas CLOUGH who also
lived in the same county as Parnell (Pike County, Ohio). Thomas was
born in 1828. Wouldn't it be grand to see how Thomas' descendant's
DNA match with those we already have!
Before I close, I must tell you for the first time or remind others of
some relevant matches for my brother's DNA :
1. Susan Clough Wyatt's George CLOUGH of Virginia (b 1820) is only
off by one marker. At that time, it was figured that we had a common
ancestor about 200 years ago. How does that effect the relationship
between Charles and Parnell where they have 2 and possible 3 markers
off.
2. Cathie Coyle's Samuel CLOUGH who emigrated from Cheshire, England
ca 1880 was a perfect match. This pretty much told us for the first
time that our Cluff's were originally from England. Our clan came
over to the US much earlier than Cathie's. Research is needed in
determining who in Cathie's family came to America before 1815.
3. John Clow's Prince Edward Island's CLOW's are a "close match" to
my brother's DNA.
These three matches are pretty conclusive evidence that CLUFF/CLOUGH/
CLOW are synonymous.
You can imagine how much I feel DNA studies are extremely significant
in our future research allowing conclusions not necessarily based on
historical documents. However, like so much of genealogy research,
the DNA results can bring up more questions than answers.
I have bcc'd in this email those individuals I have corresponded with
concerning our surname as well as relatives. I am open to all for
suggestions and assistance. We've come so far and I thank all of you
for your contributions!
Later...Nancy
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