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Dave,
I'm glad the mentioning the spelling of CLOUGH was beneficial for you.
Supposedly another spelling of the name is CLOW. I have a harder time
thinking my folks would have ever used that spelling than CLOUGH.
Later...Nancy
Nancy Cluff Siders
Acting TSFA President and List Admin for:
CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L
To forget one's ancestor is to be a brook without a source,
A tree without a root. ~Chinese proverb
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Thompson [mailto:Dave.Thompson@gov.ab.ca]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:34 AM
To: CLUFF-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CLUFF] CLUFF Roll Call
Hi everyone,
I apologize for not replying earlier to the request for a
Roll Call. However, the discussion that has taken place
on the site has helped me to gaiin a better understanding (possibly) of
my
ancestors. A ggg grandmother of mine was
Ann CLUFF, who married Thomas COCKFIELD in Heworth, Durham, England on
June
8, 1799. Heworth is in
the very northern part of Durham, on the south side of the Tyne River,
across from Newcastle. I could not find
Ann's birth under the surname CLUFF. Previously, I had found an Ann
CLEUGH,
born in nearby South Shields,
who I thought could be her. Ann is the first (oldest) person I have
found in
north-east England with the surname
spelled CLUFF. Discussion on this site over the past week has included
changing the surname CLOUGH to
CLUFF.
There is a Jane CLUFF, who married in Heworth in 1800.
Thinking that Ann and Jane may have been
sisters, I checked the IGI (Mormon data base) for births under the
surname
CLOUGH. I found an Ann CLOUGH
and a Jane CLOUGH, born in Kildwick, Yorkshire in 1775 and 1781
respectively. Although Kildwick is quite a
ways from Heworth, especially at that time, there is a Yorkshire
connection
because Thomas and Ann were
living in northern Yorkshire when my gg grandfather, James COCKFIELD,
was
born in 1809 (Kildwick is in
West Yorkshire, adjacent to the Lancashire border).
I have some questions. What is the earliest evidence we
have,
in England or elsewhere, of the surname
with the spelling CLUFF? I would speculate that some people with the
surname
CLOUGH changed their name
to CLUFF, since it is spelled the way it is pronounced, but is there any
evidence that people with the name
CLEUGH changed their name to CLUFF (assuming that CLEUGH is pronounced
'CLUFF')?
By the way, there are a large number of CLOUGHs in
north-east
England (Yorkshire in particular)
who show up in births in the late 1700s and early 1800s, but not in
marriages. Knowing that many died in
childhood and others perhaps never married, there would still seem
plenty of
room for those that may have
immigrated to the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and,
later,
South Africa.
Regards,
Dave Thompson
Edmonton, Alberta
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Hi everyone,
I apologize for not replying earlier to the request for a
Roll Call. However, the discussion that has taken place
on the site has helped me to gaiin a better understanding (possibly) of my
ancestors. A ggg grandmother of mine was
Ann CLUFF, who married Thomas COCKFIELD in Heworth, Durham, England on June
8, 1799. Heworth is in
the very northern part of Durham, on the south side of the Tyne River,
across from Newcastle. I could not find
Ann's birth under the surname CLUFF. Previously, I had found an Ann CLEUGH,
born in nearby South Shields,
who I thought could be her. Ann is the first (oldest) person I have found in
north-east England with the surname
spelled CLUFF. Discussion on this site over the past week has included
changing the surname CLOUGH to
CLUFF.
There is a Jane CLUFF, who married in Heworth in 1800.
Thinking that Ann and Jane may have been
sisters, I checked the IGI (Mormon data base) for births under the surname
CLOUGH. I found an Ann CLOUGH
and a Jane CLOUGH, born in Kildwick, Yorkshire in 1775 and 1781
respectively. Although Kildwick is quite a
ways from Heworth, especially at that time, there is a Yorkshire connection
because Thomas and Ann were
living in northern Yorkshire when my gg grandfather, James COCKFIELD, was
born in 1809 (Kildwick is in
West Yorkshire, adjacent to the Lancashire border).
I have some questions. What is the earliest evidence we have,
in England or elsewhere, of the surname
with the spelling CLUFF? I would speculate that some people with the surname
CLOUGH changed their name
to CLUFF, since it is spelled the way it is pronounced, but is there any
evidence that people with the name
CLEUGH changed their name to CLUFF (assuming that CLEUGH is pronounced
'CLUFF')?
By the way, there are a large number of CLOUGHs in north-east
England (Yorkshire in particular)
who show up in births in the late 1700s and early 1800s, but not in
marriages. Knowing that many died in
childhood and others perhaps never married, there would still seem plenty of
room for those that may have
immigrated to the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and, later,
South Africa.
Regards,
Dave Thompson
Edmonton, Alberta
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Not trying to get rid of you on this list but I'm on a great listserv
I'd think they'd be delighted to have you subscribe. It's called
CLOUGH-GENEALOGY and is also located on RootsWeb if you are not already
subscribed. They have a DNA Project to find who is related to whom! A
bunch of them are in England right now on an eventual trip to Wales to
explore the area where their ancestors lived. My brother took the DNA
test and we found that we closer related to a George Washington Clough
born in Virginia. Our ancestor, Charles C. Cluff/Clough stated on the
1880 Ohio Census that he was born in Kentucky and his father in
Maryland. Maryland and Virginia are neighboring states, so we're now
trying to find the ancestors of GW and Charles.
I would imagine you probably link up with some of the English/Wales
group. If you have a male relative with the last name of Clough, it
would be very promising for your line to go into the DNA Project too!
Best of luck!
Later...Nancy
Nancy Cluff Siders
Acting TSFA President and List Admin for:
CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L
To forget one's ancestor is to be a brook without a source,
A tree without a root. ~Chinese proverb
-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Moss [mailto:cjmoss@networld.com]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:18 AM
To: CLUFF-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLUFF] Carol just joined us and included a little of
herlineage. Had to share with all!
on 9/15/03 5:21 AM, Nancy Cluff Siders at siders(a)cableone.net wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carol Moss [mailto:cjmoss@networld.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:58 PM
> To: cluff-l-request(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Subscribe
>
> Carol Clough - Edward Clough - James Richard Clough - Henry Clough -
> Richard
> Clough, etc.
> Carol
>
> ==================================================
>
> Carol,
>
> Where were these Cloughs located...? And do tell us more about "etc"!
> Did any of the family ever spell your last name CLUFF...?
>
>
> Later...Nancy
>
>
> Nancy Cluff Siders
> Acting TSFA (The Sackett Family Assocation) President and List Admin
> for:
> CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L
> To forget one's ancestor is to be a brook without a source,
> A tree without a root. ~Chinese proverb
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Nancy, so good to hear from you. No we have never spelled our Clough
Cluff.
My fathers name was Edward Jessop Clough. He was born 13 Nov 1901 in
Barnsley, Yorkshire England. His father was James Richard Clough 29 Apr
1876 Kimberworth (Rotherham) York. Henry Clough 12 Jul 1850 Melbourne,
York
Richard Clough 18 May 1814 Newport. That's about as far back as I go.
I
can send more dates and spouses if you would like. As far as I know
they
were all in England until 1906 or 7.
Regards, Carol
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-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Moss [mailto:cjmoss@networld.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:58 PM
To: cluff-l-request(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Subscribe
Carol Clough - Edward Clough - James Richard Clough - Henry Clough -
Richard
Clough, etc.
Carol
==================================================
Carol,
Where were these Cloughs located...? And do tell us more about "etc"!
Did any of the family ever spell your last name CLUFF...?
Later...Nancy
Nancy Cluff Siders
Acting TSFA (The Sackett Family Assocation) President and List Admin
for:
CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L
To forget one's ancestor is to be a brook without a source,
A tree without a root. ~Chinese proverb
I'm Nancy Carolyn Cluff Siders. I was born in southern Ohio a long,
long time ago. ;)
My parents were David Newton McBride CLUFF (1902 OH - 1988 OH) and
Marian Inez McKAY (1906 KY - 1967 OH).
Grandparents were James Henry CLUFF (1850 OH - 1904 IN) and Adelia
SCAMMAHORN (1871 OH - 1904 IN).
Great grandparents were Charles C. CLUFF (1815 KY - 1890 OH) and
Susannah WASHBURN (1811 OH - 1858 OH).
My roadblock is Charles C. CLUFF. As far as I can ascertain, he arrived
in Highland Co., Ohio about 1835. On the 1880 census, he states his
father was born in MD and his mother in KY. He may be related to a
Parnell/Purnell P. CLUFF who lived just across the border in Pike
County, Ohio. It is not known who Parnell CLUFF's parents were either.
Recently, Pernell P. Cluff has been found in the 1880 Illinois, Iroquois
Co., Douglas Township census. He stated that he was born in 1822 in
Ohio, his father was born in MD and his mother in VA. If indeed my
Charles and this Pernell are brothers, it would indicate that the family
moved to Ohio between 1815 and 1822. I believe I have checked both KY
and Ohio in the 1820 census but will take another look now that this
information has surfaced.
A DNA test recently did not match up my family with the Welsh Clough,
New England Clough, John Clough Society, Kentucky Clough, Alabama Clough
nor the Maryland/Delaware Clough branches but it did link our family
with a George Washington Clough born in VA ca 1820.
I would LOVE to find more relatives of Charles, George Washington or
Parnell and share our research!
Later...Nancy
Nancy Cluff Siders
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CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L
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My ggrandfather George Abram Cluff/Clauff b Dec 22, 1833 in NY or NJ is my brick wall. My grandfather said there was never any contact, that he knew of, with his father's family - visits or letters. George did not talk much about his growing up years. He grew up in a big house on the shore of the Hudson Bay and was an educated man. George A Clauff was a wagon master for freight trains to Denver CO in the 1850's. No one has ever done any research on him because it was said that he changed his name when he married Eliza Susannah Burch in Whiteside Co IL. Their marriage license is signed Cluff. The family is listed in one census as Clough. Always they have been known as Clauff. He changed the spelling - not his name. There was a George Abram Clough that fought in the Rev War. I am wondering if my ggrandfather was related to him. To add more confusion; one of George's daughters signed her name Clough on her marriage license. I am looking for the parents/siblings o!
f George Abram Cluff/Clauff. Anyone know anything about this man?
Hi!
There are only 15 of us on CLUFF-L with little traffic but let's change
that! Let's invite all our correspondents of this surname to subscribe
to this list and let's have a roll call on this list. Please send a
message to explain how you are related to CLUFF/CLOUGH surname. My
great grandfather was identified by both spellings through out his life
but generations since only used the CLUFF spelling.
I usually send the first family roll call when I call one but I'm going
to beg off until this week end. We have had some new subscriber
messages come through which is what reminded me of this list. I hope
you will all send your brief introductions to your lineage to get some
traffic going on this list.
To subscribe, tell your correspondents to send a message with the word
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Hope to hear from you soon! :-)
Later.Nancy
Nancy Cluff Siders
Acting TSFA (The Sackett Family Association) President and List Admin
for:
CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L
To forget one's ancestor is to be a brook without a source,
A tree without a root. ~Chiness proverb