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I think I forgot to list the address:
657 Salem End Road
Framingham MA 01701
The area is named Salem End because after Peter and Sarah moved there in the
spring of 1693 (308 years old!) there were approximately 12 other families that
moved there by 1700. Incidently, Ginger Esty is a "controversial" Selectman in
the town of Framingham. She has the Mary Towne Esty relation. Mary Esty was the
other sister of Sarah Towne Bridges Cloys that was killed in the Witch hunt.
Tom Cloyes wrote:
> Grant the questions;
>
> I hope you are successful in saving the old home. Is there any way I might
> get a picture of the house and also find out the location (exactly) of the
> house? I will send you a check to cover any cost of making copies of the
> picture. Also, I will be glad to send my address or if you can scan pictures
> you could send as an attachment.
> Dorothy
>
> What kind of time & money might this involve, anyone have an idea? What
> about requesting help from the Towne Family Association? I would think they
> might be interested as well. Does anyone belong?
>
> I think there already has been some movements by the local Framingham
> historic society, since the house was supposed to be torn down, but the
> builder bought it under the condition of restoring, but of course I am not
> sure what keeps him too that. This legal issue is a new twist. Anyone know
> who to contact in Framingham that would have more info. I know my mother
> has a pretty good picture of the house. If know one else has one I could
> probably get it scanned after the weekend. I think it is an older picture
> when the house was in better shape, but I can't remember off hand.
>
> Gosh, just remembered - Framingham Town Historian Steve Herring is a
> descendant of Sarah Towne Cloyes. He would probably know what is going on.
> Unfortunately, I can't seem to find his email address right now. He must be
> listed in the phone book however.
>
> Although I have not mentioned this to my husband (he is the Cloys in the
> family), I am certain we would be interested in finding out more about the
> process, procedure, financial obligation, etc. in the historical designation
> and thus moving to save the Peter Cloyes House.
> Judy Morehead. / William Cloys Morehead
>
> So that gets you up to date, and if there are any other questions, fire away!
> Tom
Fantastic Response! I have started to contact people about setting up the
organization. My father says he is familiar with the process and it is fairly
simple. I have contacted the Towne Family Association and I am waiting on a
response. The paper work for the Historic designation is being sent to me. I
plan to enlist the help of local people within Framingham and Danvers as much as
possible. I also want to get other organizations involved that might not be
directly associated with the house. It would be a tremendous help if someone
local (Town Historian Steve Herring is a descendant of Sarah Towne Cloyes)was
involved. As soon as I get definites I will let you know. If anyone has any
leads please feel free to follow up and let us know how to contact them. It
think it may be a tough task to get organized over the net but not as tough as it
would have been before the net!
Thanks for all the help,
Grant Cloys
2 Merrie Cir.
Richardson, TX 75081
972-669-9905
P.S.
The house sold for $260,000 and the former owner quoted me a price over the phone
of $360,00. I was told that bidding started at $100,000. The uncertainty of the
whole thing is where it stands after it gets out of the courts. Which is supposed
to be very soon.
Tom Cloyes wrote:
> Grant the questions;
>
> I hope you are successful in saving the old home. Is there any way I might
> get a picture of the house and also find out the location (exactly) of the
> house? I will send you a check to cover any cost of making copies of the
> picture. Also, I will be glad to send my address or if you can scan pictures
> you could send as an attachment.
> Dorothy
>
> What kind of time & money might this involve, anyone have an idea? What
> about requesting help from the Towne Family Association? I would think they
> might be interested as well. Does anyone belong?
>
> I think there already has been some movements by the local Framingham
> historic society, since the house was supposed to be torn down, but the
> builder bought it under the condition of restoring, but of course I am not
> sure what keeps him too that. This legal issue is a new twist. Anyone know
> who to contact in Framingham that would have more info. I know my mother
> has a pretty good picture of the house. If know one else has one I could
> probably get it scanned after the weekend. I think it is an older picture
> when the house was in better shape, but I can't remember off hand.
>
> Gosh, just remembered - Framingham Town Historian Steve Herring is a
> descendant of Sarah Towne Cloyes. He would probably know what is going on.
> Unfortunately, I can't seem to find his email address right now. He must be
> listed in the phone book however.
>
> Although I have not mentioned this to my husband (he is the Cloys in the
> family), I am certain we would be interested in finding out more about the
> process, procedure, financial obligation, etc. in the historical designation
> and thus moving to save the Peter Cloyes House.
> Judy Morehead. / William Cloys Morehead
>
> So that gets you up to date, and if there are any other questions, fire away!
> Tom
Grant the questions;
I hope you are successful in saving the old home. Is there any way I might
get a picture of the house and also find out the location (exactly) of the
house? I will send you a check to cover any cost of making copies of the
picture. Also, I will be glad to send my address or if you can scan pictures
you could send as an attachment.
Dorothy
What kind of time & money might this involve, anyone have an idea? What
about requesting help from the Towne Family Association? I would think they
might be interested as well. Does anyone belong?
I think there already has been some movements by the local Framingham
historic society, since the house was supposed to be torn down, but the
builder bought it under the condition of restoring, but of course I am not
sure what keeps him too that. This legal issue is a new twist. Anyone know
who to contact in Framingham that would have more info. I know my mother
has a pretty good picture of the house. If know one else has one I could
probably get it scanned after the weekend. I think it is an older picture
when the house was in better shape, but I can't remember off hand.
Gosh, just remembered - Framingham Town Historian Steve Herring is a
descendant of Sarah Towne Cloyes. He would probably know what is going on.
Unfortunately, I can't seem to find his email address right now. He must be
listed in the phone book however.
Although I have not mentioned this to my husband (he is the Cloys in the
family), I am certain we would be interested in finding out more about the
process, procedure, financial obligation, etc. in the historical designation
and thus moving to save the Peter Cloyes House.
Judy Morehead. / William Cloys Morehead
So that gets you up to date, and if there are any other questions, fire away!
Tom
Tom
Could you please email the pictures to me or Grant could you
Dorothy
Tom Cloyes wrote:
> Grant has emailed me pictures of the house and it's a beauty, but needs a
> LOT of work. I have also subscribed him to the list, and wish to welcome
> him to our online family. So ask away, and welcome Grant.
>
> Tom
Grant has emailed me pictures of the house and it's a beauty, but needs a
LOT of work. I have also subscribed him to the list, and wish to welcome
him to our online family. So ask away, and welcome Grant.
Tom
Tom and Grant.
Although I have not mentioned this to my husband (he is the Cloys in the
family), I am certain we would be interested in finding out more about the
process, procedure, financial obligation, etc. in the historical designation
and thus moving to save the Peter Cloyes House.
Judy Morehead. / William Cloys Morehead
What kind of time & money might this involve, anyone have an idea? What
about requesting help from the Towne Family Association? I would think they
might be interested as well. Does anyone belong?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Cloyes" <foolery(a)bright.net>
To: <CLOYES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Cloyes] Fwd: Peter Cloyes House in Framingham
>
> I asked Grant if he would be willing to get the paperwork together for
this
> and see what kind of response we could generate on the maillist before
> going into it full-tilt. If there is only sporadic interest, then it
> probably wouldn't be worthwhile to tackle a project of this size. If we
can
> get everyone behind it, though, then we can build the momentum to carry
the
> project through. Will have to wait for his reply, and what responses we
get
> here before moving on to stage two.
>
> Speak up and let me know what you all think.
> Tom
>
> At 05:05 PM 6/27/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >I am for that idea. I would be interested in what that will mean to
> >everyone. I
> >did understand what he was getting at but still think if we all knew what
> >we were
> >trying to save, i.e. a picture or two, everyone might get more into it.
> >What do
> >you think?
> >Dorothy Gumbert
> >
> >Tom Cloyes wrote:
> >
> > > Dorothy and everyone else,
> > >
> > > I think Grant is asking if we would be interested in forming a Cloyes
House
> > > Preservation Society for the preservation of this house so that it'll
> > > remain standing, and be maintained for posterity. Let me know your
thoughts
> > > on this and maybe we can save this from the wrecking ball.
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > At 09:50 PM 6/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Grant Cloys
> > > >I hope you are successful in saving the old home. Is there any way I
> > might
> > > >get a picture of the house and also find out the location (exactly)
of the
> > > >house? I will send you a check to cover any cost of makingcopies of
the
> > > >picture. Also, I will be glad to send my address or if you can scan
> > pictures
> > > >you could send as an attachment.
> > > >Dorothy
> > > >
> > > >Also, I just returned from Mayfield Kentucky and visited the graves
of may
> > > >Cloyes. Benjamin Franklin Cloyes and Roxan , Alice Cloyes Bragg,
etc. If
> > > >anyone is interested in pictures I have them.
> > > >
> > > >Tom Cloyes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Hi Tom, I haven't talked to you in a while. I am the guy who
sent the
> > > > > >material from Harriet Cloyes in San Marcos California.
> > > > > >I was up in Boston last week taking my daughter to summer school
and
> > > > > >decided to do a little research on the family tree. Mainly I
> > wanted to
> > > > > >locate any remnants pertaining to Peter Cloyes. Long story
short, I
> > > > > >found the house built in Spring of 1693 in Framingham after
fleeing
> > > > > >Salem. I don't know if you are familiar with the house or not
but
> > > > > >Harriett said she and her husband Edward Cloyes had been there
back in
> > > > > >the '80's. Anyway, it was three months to the day after it had
> > gone on
> > > > > >auction at foreclosure. The house was sold for $260,000 to local
> > > > > >developers. The sale was, and is now, being contested by the
> > ex-wife of
> > > > > >the last owner. They were divorced in about 1990 and she left
the
> > > > > >house. Evidently the man let the house fall in disrepair for
some
> > years
> > > > > >while not paying taxes and defaulting at the bank. He reportedly
was
> > > > > >still living there after ordered to leave. Unfortunately, the
house
> > > > > >needs allot of money to put back right. I was in construction
and
> > could
> > > > > >tell the roof and soffets, as well as other water damage, needed
> > > > > >attention. Although there were assurances made at auction that
the
> > > > > >house would remain standing, local information says that the
developer
> > > > > >has said that before and then changed course.
> > > > > >My concern is that the house remain standing and in good
condition.
> > > > > >This is the only link I know besides gravestones to our early
ancestry
> > > > > >in this country. I have started the process of nomination for
the
> > > > > >National Historic Registry. What I was hoping is that we could
gather
> > > > > >together, or at least make aware, interested members of any
> > Cloyes line
> > > > > >who would like to be involved in a non-profit organization for
the
> > > > > >preservation of the house. By attaining non-profit status as
well as
> > > > > >recognition in the National Registry the house would become
> > eligible for
> > > > > >grant money to enable restoration. It would also open up
> > opportunities
> > > > > >in architectural research and education cooperatives with
universities
> > > > > >that would pay for use of the house. The main concern and
> > advantage of
> > > > > >this endeavor is that the house could then never be demolished.
> > > > > >Please let me know if you can help me alert the Cloyes clan to
the
> > > > > >plight of the Peter Cloyes House in Framingham. I hope to hear
> > from you
> > > > > >soon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thank You,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Grant Cloys
> > > > > >
> > > > > >P.S.
> > > > > >If you are interested I can give you the whole story with the
latest
> > > > > >details on the home front.
>
>
Dorothy and everyone else,
I think Grant is asking if we would be interested in forming a Cloyes House
Preservation Society for the preservation of this house so that it'll
remain standing, and be maintained for posterity. Let me know your thoughts
on this and maybe we can save this from the wrecking ball.
Tom
At 09:50 PM 6/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Grant Cloys
>I hope you are successful in saving the old home. Is there any way I might
>get a picture of the house and also find out the location (exactly) of the
>house? I will send you a check to cover any cost of makingcopies of the
>picture. Also, I will be glad to send my address or if you can scan pictures
>you could send as an attachment.
>Dorothy
>
>Also, I just returned from Mayfield Kentucky and visited the graves of may
>Cloyes. Benjamin Franklin Cloyes and Roxan , Alice Cloyes Bragg, etc. If
>anyone is interested in pictures I have them.
>
>Tom Cloyes wrote:
>
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Tom, I haven't talked to you in a while. I am the guy who sent the
> > >material from Harriet Cloyes in San Marcos California.
> > >I was up in Boston last week taking my daughter to summer school and
> > >decided to do a little research on the family tree. Mainly I wanted to
> > >locate any remnants pertaining to Peter Cloyes. Long story short, I
> > >found the house built in Spring of 1693 in Framingham after fleeing
> > >Salem. I don't know if you are familiar with the house or not but
> > >Harriett said she and her husband Edward Cloyes had been there back in
> > >the '80's. Anyway, it was three months to the day after it had gone on
> > >auction at foreclosure. The house was sold for $260,000 to local
> > >developers. The sale was, and is now, being contested by the ex-wife of
> > >the last owner. They were divorced in about 1990 and she left the
> > >house. Evidently the man let the house fall in disrepair for some years
> > >while not paying taxes and defaulting at the bank. He reportedly was
> > >still living there after ordered to leave. Unfortunately, the house
> > >needs allot of money to put back right. I was in construction and could
> > >tell the roof and soffets, as well as other water damage, needed
> > >attention. Although there were assurances made at auction that the
> > >house would remain standing, local information says that the developer
> > >has said that before and then changed course.
> > >My concern is that the house remain standing and in good condition.
> > >This is the only link I know besides gravestones to our early ancestry
> > >in this country. I have started the process of nomination for the
> > >National Historic Registry. What I was hoping is that we could gather
> > >together, or at least make aware, interested members of any Cloyes line
> > >who would like to be involved in a non-profit organization for the
> > >preservation of the house. By attaining non-profit status as well as
> > >recognition in the National Registry the house would become eligible for
> > >grant money to enable restoration. It would also open up opportunities
> > >in architectural research and education cooperatives with universities
> > >that would pay for use of the house. The main concern and advantage of
> > >this endeavor is that the house could then never be demolished.
> > >Please let me know if you can help me alert the Cloyes clan to the
> > >plight of the Peter Cloyes House in Framingham. I hope to hear from you
> > >soon.
> > >
> > >Thank You,
> > >
> > >Grant Cloys
> > >
> > >P.S.
> > >If you are interested I can give you the whole story with the latest
> > >details on the home front.
I think there already has been some movements by the local Framingham
historic society, since the house was supposed to be torn down, but the
builder bought it under the condition of restoring, but of course I am not
sure what keeps him too that. This legal issue is a new twist. Anyone know
who to contact in Framingham that would have more info. I know my mother
has a pretty good picture of the house. If know one else has one I could
probably get it scanned after the weekend. I think it is an older picture
when the house was in better shape, but I can't remember off hand.
Dave Roberts - Son of Cloyes
>
> I asked Grant if he would be willing to get the paperwork
> together for this
> and see what kind of response we could generate on the maillist before
> going into it full-tilt. If there is only sporadic interest, then it
> probably wouldn't be worthwhile to tackle a project of this size.
> If we can
> get everyone behind it, though, then we can build the momentum to
> carry the
> project through. Will have to wait for his reply, and what
> responses we get
> here before moving on to stage two.
>
> Speak up and let me know what you all think.
> Tom
>
> At 05:05 PM 6/27/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >I am for that idea. I would be interested in what that will mean to
> >everyone. I
> >did understand what he was getting at but still think if we all
> knew what
> >we were
> >trying to save, i.e. a picture or two, everyone might get more into it.
> >What do
> >you think?
> >Dorothy Gumbert
> >
> >Tom Cloyes wrote:
> >
> > > Dorothy and everyone else,
> > >
> > > I think Grant is asking if we would be interested in forming
> a Cloyes House
> > > Preservation Society for the preservation of this house so that it'll
> > > remain standing, and be maintained for posterity. Let me know
> your thoughts
> > > on this and maybe we can save this from the wrecking ball.
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > At 09:50 PM 6/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Grant Cloys
> > > >I hope you are successful in saving the old home. Is there
> any way I
> > might
> > > >get a picture of the house and also find out the location
> (exactly) of the
> > > >house? I will send you a check to cover any cost of
> makingcopies of the
> > > >picture. Also, I will be glad to send my address or if you can scan
> > pictures
> > > >you could send as an attachment.
> > > >Dorothy
> > > >
> > > >Also, I just returned from Mayfield Kentucky and visited the
> graves of may
> > > >Cloyes. Benjamin Franklin Cloyes and Roxan , Alice Cloyes
> Bragg, etc. If
> > > >anyone is interested in pictures I have them.
> > > >
> > > >Tom Cloyes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Hi Tom, I haven't talked to you in a while. I am the
> guy who sent the
> > > > > >material from Harriet Cloyes in San Marcos California.
> > > > > >I was up in Boston last week taking my daughter to
> summer school and
> > > > > >decided to do a little research on the family tree. Mainly I
> > wanted to
> > > > > >locate any remnants pertaining to Peter Cloyes. Long
> story short, I
> > > > > >found the house built in Spring of 1693 in Framingham
> after fleeing
> > > > > >Salem. I don't know if you are familiar with the house
> or not but
> > > > > >Harriett said she and her husband Edward Cloyes had been
> there back in
> > > > > >the '80's. Anyway, it was three months to the day after it had
> > gone on
> > > > > >auction at foreclosure. The house was sold for $260,000 to local
> > > > > >developers. The sale was, and is now, being contested by the
> > ex-wife of
> > > > > >the last owner. They were divorced in about 1990 and
> she left the
> > > > > >house. Evidently the man let the house fall in
> disrepair for some
> > years
> > > > > >while not paying taxes and defaulting at the bank. He
> reportedly was
> > > > > >still living there after ordered to leave.
> Unfortunately, the house
> > > > > >needs allot of money to put back right. I was in
> construction and
> > could
> > > > > >tell the roof and soffets, as well as other water damage, needed
> > > > > >attention. Although there were assurances made at
> auction that the
> > > > > >house would remain standing, local information says that
> the developer
> > > > > >has said that before and then changed course.
> > > > > >My concern is that the house remain standing and in good
> condition.
> > > > > >This is the only link I know besides gravestones to our
> early ancestry
> > > > > >in this country. I have started the process of
> nomination for the
> > > > > >National Historic Registry. What I was hoping is that
> we could gather
> > > > > >together, or at least make aware, interested members of any
> > Cloyes line
> > > > > >who would like to be involved in a non-profit
> organization for the
> > > > > >preservation of the house. By attaining non-profit
> status as well as
> > > > > >recognition in the National Registry the house would become
> > eligible for
> > > > > >grant money to enable restoration. It would also open up
> > opportunities
> > > > > >in architectural research and education cooperatives
> with universities
> > > > > >that would pay for use of the house. The main concern and
> > advantage of
> > > > > >this endeavor is that the house could then never be demolished.
> > > > > >Please let me know if you can help me alert the Cloyes
> clan to the
> > > > > >plight of the Peter Cloyes House in Framingham. I hope to hear
> > from you
> > > > > >soon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thank You,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Grant Cloys
> > > > > >
> > > > > >P.S.
> > > > > >If you are interested I can give you the whole story
> with the latest
> > > > > >details on the home front.
>
Grant Cloys
I hope you are successful in saving the old home. Is there any way I might
get a picture of the house and also find out the location (exactly) of the
house? I will send you a check to cover any cost of makingcopies of the
picture. Also, I will be glad to send my address or if you can scan pictures
you could send as an attachment.
Dorothy
Also, I just returned from Mayfield Kentucky and visited the graves of may
Cloyes. Benjamin Franklin Cloyes and Roxan , Alice Cloyes Bragg, etc. If
anyone is interested in pictures I have them.
Tom Cloyes wrote:
> >
> >
> >Hi Tom, I haven't talked to you in a while. I am the guy who sent the
> >material from Harriet Cloyes in San Marcos California.
> >I was up in Boston last week taking my daughter to summer school and
> >decided to do a little research on the family tree. Mainly I wanted to
> >locate any remnants pertaining to Peter Cloyes. Long story short, I
> >found the house built in Spring of 1693 in Framingham after fleeing
> >Salem. I don't know if you are familiar with the house or not but
> >Harriett said she and her husband Edward Cloyes had been there back in
> >the '80's. Anyway, it was three months to the day after it had gone on
> >auction at foreclosure. The house was sold for $260,000 to local
> >developers. The sale was, and is now, being contested by the ex-wife of
> >the last owner. They were divorced in about 1990 and she left the
> >house. Evidently the man let the house fall in disrepair for some years
> >while not paying taxes and defaulting at the bank. He reportedly was
> >still living there after ordered to leave. Unfortunately, the house
> >needs allot of money to put back right. I was in construction and could
> >tell the roof and soffets, as well as other water damage, needed
> >attention. Although there were assurances made at auction that the
> >house would remain standing, local information says that the developer
> >has said that before and then changed course.
> >My concern is that the house remain standing and in good condition.
> >This is the only link I know besides gravestones to our early ancestry
> >in this country. I have started the process of nomination for the
> >National Historic Registry. What I was hoping is that we could gather
> >together, or at least make aware, interested members of any Cloyes line
> >who would like to be involved in a non-profit organization for the
> >preservation of the house. By attaining non-profit status as well as
> >recognition in the National Registry the house would become eligible for
> >grant money to enable restoration. It would also open up opportunities
> >in architectural research and education cooperatives with universities
> >that would pay for use of the house. The main concern and advantage of
> >this endeavor is that the house could then never be demolished.
> >Please let me know if you can help me alert the Cloyes clan to the
> >plight of the Peter Cloyes House in Framingham. I hope to hear from you
> >soon.
> >
> >Thank You,
> >
> >Grant Cloys
> >
> >P.S.
> >If you are interested I can give you the whole story with the latest
> >details on the home front.
>
>
>Hi Tom, I haven't talked to you in a while. I am the guy who sent the
>material from Harriet Cloyes in San Marcos California.
>I was up in Boston last week taking my daughter to summer school and
>decided to do a little research on the family tree. Mainly I wanted to
>locate any remnants pertaining to Peter Cloyes. Long story short, I
>found the house built in Spring of 1693 in Framingham after fleeing
>Salem. I don't know if you are familiar with the house or not but
>Harriett said she and her husband Edward Cloyes had been there back in
>the '80's. Anyway, it was three months to the day after it had gone on
>auction at foreclosure. The house was sold for $260,000 to local
>developers. The sale was, and is now, being contested by the ex-wife of
>the last owner. They were divorced in about 1990 and she left the
>house. Evidently the man let the house fall in disrepair for some years
>while not paying taxes and defaulting at the bank. He reportedly was
>still living there after ordered to leave. Unfortunately, the house
>needs allot of money to put back right. I was in construction and could
>tell the roof and soffets, as well as other water damage, needed
>attention. Although there were assurances made at auction that the
>house would remain standing, local information says that the developer
>has said that before and then changed course.
>My concern is that the house remain standing and in good condition.
>This is the only link I know besides gravestones to our early ancestry
>in this country. I have started the process of nomination for the
>National Historic Registry. What I was hoping is that we could gather
>together, or at least make aware, interested members of any Cloyes line
>who would like to be involved in a non-profit organization for the
>preservation of the house. By attaining non-profit status as well as
>recognition in the National Registry the house would become eligible for
>grant money to enable restoration. It would also open up opportunities
>in architectural research and education cooperatives with universities
>that would pay for use of the house. The main concern and advantage of
>this endeavor is that the house could then never be demolished.
>Please let me know if you can help me alert the Cloyes clan to the
>plight of the Peter Cloyes House in Framingham. I hope to hear from you
>soon.
>
>Thank You,
>
>Grant Cloys
>
>P.S.
>If you are interested I can give you the whole story with the latest
>details on the home front.