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Hi Hugh,
This article sounds like what I've found regarding the Children's Crusade.
Didn't have the names of those who sold the children into slavery.
Thanks,
Tom
At 11:31 AM 1/13/99 -0500, HughC53820(a)aol.com wrote:
>I found this article on the net. found it interesting, but I am not sure of
>its origin.
>
> Cults and Crusaders
>
>The Cult of the Children's Crusade
>
>The King of France was approached by a twelve-year-old shepherd boy, Stephen
>of Cloyes. The peasant boy brought a letter which he said had come from
Christ
>himself, instructing him to organize a crusade to march on Jerusalem. Some
>investigators believe that this idea, and perhaps even the "letter of
Christ",
>had been given to the child by the Albigenses; a heretical cult which had
>sprung up about 1209, in the south of France and waged a furious civil war
>against the French king and the Pope in the name of their own religion.
> The king tried to send the boy home, but Stephen was under a cult
spell of
>intense mania. He dared to disobey his king, announcing that, in a vision,
>Christ had promised that the sea would divide in front of the Children's
>Crusade and that angels would guide them to Palestine. Stephen led his
>children through the streets of Paris and headed south, his procession of
some
>9000 children being joined along the way by priests, prostitutes and
vagrants.
>In Marseilles they were offered passage to the Holy Land by two evil
>shipowners named Hugh the Iron and William the Pig, who sold the children
into
>slavery to Arabs in North Africa.
>
I found this article on the net. found it interesting, but I am not sure of
its origin.
Cults and Crusaders
The Cult of the Children's Crusade
The King of France was approached by a twelve-year-old shepherd boy, Stephen
of Cloyes. The peasant boy brought a letter which he said had come from Christ
himself, instructing him to organize a crusade to march on Jerusalem. Some
investigators believe that this idea, and perhaps even the "letter of Christ",
had been given to the child by the Albigenses; a heretical cult which had
sprung up about 1209, in the south of France and waged a furious civil war
against the French king and the Pope in the name of their own religion.
The king tried to send the boy home, but Stephen was under a cult spell of
intense mania. He dared to disobey his king, announcing that, in a vision,
Christ had promised that the sea would divide in front of the Children's
Crusade and that angels would guide them to Palestine. Stephen led his
children through the streets of Paris and headed south, his procession of some
9000 children being joined along the way by priests, prostitutes and vagrants.
In Marseilles they were offered passage to the Holy Land by two evil
shipowners named Hugh the Iron and William the Pig, who sold the children into
slavery to Arabs in North Africa.
I have finally gotten my web site updated. I have so much in my database that
I was always timing out trying to upload. So now, you can refer to the new
file. I have also included a GEDCOM file for you to download.
Hugh
http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/hcloyes/Cloyes.htm
I thought everyone would be interested in seeing this article. I reprinted it
from Genealogy.Com
Does your GEDCOM file contain
living individuals?
ARTICLE
GENEALOGY HOME PAGES INVITE RIP-OFFS?
Taken from Dick Eastman's Weekly Online Genealogy Newsletter - June 8, 1998
A recent issue of U.S. News and World report had an article written by
Margaret Mannix that makes for provocative reading. Ms. Mannix writes:
Does your family have a home page on the Internet? If so, you might want to
reconsider how much personal information you post online. Con artists who
steal others' identities, get credit in their names, then leave innocent
people with a mountain of debt to fight and ruined credit to clean up are
discovering the charms of the Net.
She also writes "thousands of netizens are unknowingly making it easier for
thieves to steal their identities by posting individual home pages, family
genealogies, and resumes." One item that she mentions is the fact that many
credit card companies protect the privacy of their customers by using the
mother's maiden name as a password. You can quickly see how posting one's
genealogy on the Web helps a con artist bypass that security.
If you have an interest in this topic, you may want to read the full article.
It is available online at:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/980511/11mone.htm
To be blunt, I think Ms. Mannix' article overstates the "danger" and is a bit
of a sensationalist article written for the popular press. However, the
"dangers" she describes should not be dismissed too quickly. Credit card
thieves and other rip-off artists were successfully obtaining the personal
information of unsuspecting victims long before the invention of the World
Wide Web. But why make it even easier for them? Posting personal information
about yourself or your living relatives invites problems.
I will offer another viewpoint of genealogy home pages. The ability to search
on the Web for a surname or even a full name of an ancestor has revolutionized
genealogy research. You and I can now quickly and easily find researchers who
have already done research and probably made discoveries that we wish to make.
This often reduces wasted time and effort. I would never suggest that we go
back to the pre-Web "dark ages" of five or ten years ago when genealogists
labored in isolation.
One thing that really disturbs me is to see personal information about
individuals who are probably still alive today. The article by Margaret Mannix
describes some pitfalls, but I suspect there are even more problems than what
she described. Did the person who publishes the information have permission
from every living person so identified? If not, the owner of the home page may
encounter legal problems. An angry relative might even sue him or her. In
fact, if someone's credit information is illegally misused because a distant
relative negligently made personal information available to a con artist,
isn't there a legal responsibility of the person who published that
information? Whether that lawsuit would ever be successful in the courts is
anybody's guess. Even if there is no lawsuit, isn't there a moral issue
involved? Many people do not want their names, much less their birthdates and
relatives, listed for everyone to see on the World Wide Web.
I believe there is a very simple solution to the privacy issues as well as the
possibility of credit card fraud: don't publish any information on the World
Wide Web about any living individual unless you have permission in writing
from that person. Period.
Publishing information about someone who lived 100 years ago or 300 years ago
is a service to other genealogists and may help you wrap up a few "loose ends"
here and there. But in 99.999% of the cases I can think of, publishing
personal information about a 50- year-old never results in uncovering new
ancestors. I will concede that there are a few exceptions, especially in
adoption situations and when there are long-lost relatives. But I would also
suggest that the risk of publishing personal information about living
individuals outweighs the advantages.
So how do you make a determination if a particular person is alive or not?
Simple. Unless you have personal knowledge otherwise, always assume that any
person born within the past 100 years is still living. Some people might argue
that we should use the 72- year rule in the same manner as the U.S. National
Archives. But that number is based upon averages, and 50% of the time it is
wrong. I suspect that a con artist can rip off a 75-year-old at least as
easily as a 25-year-old. Using a number of 100 years seems to make better
sense to make sure we do the right thing for everyone.
What happens if you accidentally include information about a 101- year-old who
is still living? My experience indicates that most people over the age of 100
do not mind a bit of publicity about their longevity.
Most of the better genealogy programs that automatically generate personal web
pages in HTML format also have an option to omit information about living
people or people born after a certain date. Use that filter. If your genealogy
program doesn't have that option, ask the producers of that program why it is
missing. Or upgrade to a better program.
After all, you are solely responsible for the information in your Web pages.
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