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Hi Hugh and all:
Thank you for your wishes and I return the same for a warm and thankful
day with Family and friends, after all, the most important in all the
world. From Pittsburgh, PA
I wanted to wish you all a very Happy Thanksgiving Day. Another year has
passed and we all need to be thankful for me have. To all my friends and
relatives, I am thankful for each of you in my life.
Love Hugh Cloyes
Something too good to pass up from the Littlefield list.
Tom
>
>I know it's a little early for Christmas stories, but this is too good
>to wait to share. My love to all.
>
>TWO BABES IN A MANGER
>
> In 1994, two Americans answered an invitation from the Russian
>Department of Education to teach morals and ethics (based on biblical
>principles) in the public schools. They were invited to teach at
>prisons, businesses, the fire and police departments and a large
>orphanage. About 100 boys and girls who had been abandoned, abused, and
>left in the care of a government-run program were in the orphanage. They
>relate the following story in their own words:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> It was nearing the holiday season, 1994, time for our orphans to
>hear, for the first time, the traditional story of Christmas. We told
>them about Mary and Joseph arriving in Bethlehem. Finding no room in the
>inn, the couple went to a stable, where the baby Jesus was born and
>placed in a manger.
>
> Throughout the story, the children and orphanage staff sat in
>amazement as they listened. Some sat on the edges of their stools,
>trying to grasp every word. Completing the story, we gave the children
>three small pieces of cardboard to make a crude manger. Each child was
>given a small paper square, cut from yellow napkins I had brought with
>me. No colored paper was available in the city. Following instructions,
>the children tore the paper and carefully laid strips in the manger for
>straw. Small squares of flannel, cut from a worn-out nightgown an
>American lady was throwing away as she left Russia, were used for the
>baby's blanket. A doll-like baby was cut from tan felt we had brought
>from the United States.
>
> The orphans were busy assembling their manger as I walked among them
>to see if they needed any help. All went well until I got to one table
>where little Misha sat. He looked to be about 6 years old and had
>finished his project. As I looked at the little boy's manger, I was
>startled to see not one, but two babies in the manger. Quickly, I called
>for the translator to ask the lad why there were two babies in the
>manger. Crossing his arms in front of him and looking at this completed
>manger scene, the child began to repeat the story very seriously.
>
> For such a young boy, who had only heard the Christmas story once,
>he related the happenings accurately -- until he came to the part where
>Mary put the baby Jesus in the manger. Then Misha started to ad-lib. He
>made up his own ending to the story as he said, "And when Maria laid the
>baby in the manger, Jesus looked at me and asked me if I had a place to
>stay. I told him I have no mamma and I have no papa, so I don't have any
>place to stay.
>
> Then Jesus told me I could stay with him. But I told him I couldn't,
>because I didn't have a gift to give him like everybody else did. But I
>wanted to stay with Jesus so much, so I thought about what I had that
>maybe I could use for a gift. I thought that maybe if I kept him warm,
>that would be a good gift.
>
> So I asked Jesus, "If I keep you warm, will that be a good enough
>gift?" And Jesus told me, "If you keep me warm, that will be the best
>gift anybody ever gave me." "So I got into the manger, and then Jesus
>looked at me and he told me I could stay with him -- for always."
>
> As little Misha finished his story, his eyes brimmed full of tears
>that splashed down his little cheeks. Putting his hand over his face,
>his head dropped to the table and his shoulders shook as he sobbed and
>sobbed.
>
> The little orphan had found someone who would never abandon nor
>abuse him, someone who would stay with him -- FOR ALWAYS. I've learned
>that it's not what you have in your life, but who you have in your life
>that counts.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Some more stuff on those books.
Tom
>Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:11:11 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Harlowe, Brooke" <harlow(a)roo.susqu.edu>
>Old-To: "'LITTLEFIELD-ROOTS-L(a)rootsweb.com'"
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>Subject: RE: Other volumes by Walter Goodwin Davis?
>Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:14:07 -0500
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>Please recognize that since Davis was writing the genealogy of each of
>his great grandparents, families would be covered only as far as needed
>to reach his "main branch". Most families have a small section on
>English origins if known. The first and second generations in the US
>are pretty well covered for most of the families.
>
>Lunt, Spear, Tilton, Neal, Davis, Hildreth, Waterhouse, Harmon are the
>surnames of Davis' great grandparents. These receive most extensive
>coverage.
>
>Other surnames covered off the top of my head: Wildes, Harris,
>Littlefield, Edge, Goodale, Hatch (of Wells), Hatch (of Scituate),
>Morrison (Daniel of Newbury), Shatswell (Theophilus), Wheeler (John of
>Hampton), Annis (Cormac of Newbury), Chase, Fernald, Cousens, Ingersoll,
>Lowell, Griffen, Howland (Arthur, brother of Mayflower Henry), Low
>
>Obviously, before spending this kind of $$$, you should check the book
>out in person. NEHGS has all of the books available from the loan
>service.
>Brooke
>------------------------------------------
>E. Brooke Harlowe
>Asst. Prof. and Coordinator, Intl Studies major/minor
>Dept. of Political Science
>Susquehanna University
>Selinsgrove PA 17870
>
>harlow(a)susqu.edu
>
>>----------
>>If the cost is $125/3vols, I would be interested in knowing what other
>>families are covered in the other volumes. Does anyone know which families
>>are covered in the other seven volumes?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Lynn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>Have you look at the Littlefield sites lately
>>http://www.smartsites.com/littla/Littlefield/litlefie_hm.htm
>>http://www.eden.com/~gregandi/lfd.htm
>>http://www.fast.co.za/~alittle/lfield.htm
>>
>>
>>
>
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>send the URL <address> to the list.
>
This from the Littlefield maillist. Sounds like something worth checking
into to see if we're listed in there.
Tom
>Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:19:09 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Harlowe, Brooke" <harlow(a)roo.susqu.edu>
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>Subject: Maine Littlefields
>Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:20:59 -0500
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>All Littlefields in Maine before 1800 are descended from the same
>ancestors, Edmund and Annis. I am 99% sure of this.
>
>If you are Maine Littlefield descendant and have not done so already,
>check out the section on Littlefield in Walter Goodwin Davis' "Ancestry
>of Annis Spear". The earlier generations of Maine Littlefields are
>covered in substantial detail.
>
>Davis is one of the foremost genealogists of northern New England. His
>masterpiece was an eight volume work, a genealogy for each of his great
>grandparents. These 8 volumes have recently been reissued as
>"Massachusetts and Maine Families in the Ancestry of Walter Goodwin
>Davis", published by NEHGS. Littlefield is in vol. II of this new work.
> The new work is pricy ($125/3 vols), but may be worth it if you have
>LOTS of early Maine or Essex County Mass. families.
>
>Most libraries with a good genealogy collection will have either "Annis
>Spear" or the more recent "Massachusetts and Maine Families...". Beyond
>New England, you might check NY Public Library (5th Ave. branch),
>Detroit Public Library, Newberry Library (Chicago), Atlanta Public
>Library, Phila. Historical Society, Library of Congress, Los Angeles
>Public Library, Allen County Public Library (Ft. Wayne).
>
>Most local public libraries have OCLC, the catalog of the Library of
>Congress. A librarian can use OCLC to help you identify libraries in
>your area that have a certain title. It's a very useful service.
>Hope this helps.
>Brooke (and the sig file, left off my last post...)
>
>------------------------------------------
>E. Brooke Harlowe
>Asst. Prof. and Coordinator, Intl Studies major/minor
>Dept. of Political Science
>Susquehanna University
>Selinsgrove PA 17870
>
>harlow(a)susqu.edu
>
>>----------
>>From: SEAMStoBE@aol.com[SMTP:SEAMStoBE@aol.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 7:45 AM
>>To: LITTLEFIELD-ROOTS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>Subject: Re: Harts Lane, London
>>
>>Yvonne,
>>YES! We have what is commonly known as a 'bingo'! LOL! My Littlefield line:
>>Francis Littlefield 1565- ? probably in Titchfield, England
>> + 1 Mary ?, b. ? -1605, 2 Annis Wigg, b. ?-1619
>>(2) Edmund (from Mary), b. 1592-1661
>> + Annis/Agnes Austin
>>
>>I have them as having 11 children. I go through John, Josiah, Peter, Peter,
>>Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, Charles, Harold, Kathleen....
>>Do you have your line through any of these? Do you have all of Edmund's
>>children? Do you have any more listed? Edmund settled in Wells, Maine. My
>>line
>>ended up in Winterport to Bangor. An interesting footnote, my married
name is
>>Annis. :)
>>Diana
>>
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>>Have you posted any new information or queries yet ?
>>We would all love to hear from you
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Can anyone help Grant out?
Thanks,
Tom
>Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:36:41 -0600
>From: Grant Cloys <gcloys(a)metronet.com>
>Reply-To: gcloys(a)metronet.com
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>To: HughC53820(a)aol.com, Tom Cloyes <foolery(a)bright.net>
>Subject: Re: Cloyes derivations
>
>Just talked to my Aunt Hazel. Seems the farthest back she can remember is
her
>grandfather. His name was Milard Cloys. Her fathers name was Herman. If
you
>know these names please let me know. She did mention that we do have
relatives
>down in Union City where I know there are quite a few Cloys families.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Grant
>
>HughC53820(a)aol.com wrote:
>
>> It is my understanding that you may be related. A distant relative in U.C.
>> who has done extensive research has mentioned that some people in
Mayfield are
>> related. Her name is Grace Gary.
>> Hugh Cloyes
>> Dublin, Ga.
>
At 08:58 AM 11/4/98 -0600, Grant Cloys wrote:
>I have not done much research into the origin of the name but there are
>a few things I do know:
>
>80 SW of Paris if Cloyes, France. It is in the Loir river valley
>(actually it is named slightly different, if you look at a map you'll
>find the correct name)
>
If you go to MapQuest, you can do a search in France on Cloyes. There will
be two towns listed in the results. The first, as above, is
Cloyes-sur-le-Loir which is southwest of Paris. The other one is
Cloyes-sur-Marne which is east of Paris, and is a very small village.
>In 1212 Stephen of Cloyes, then aged 12, led the Children's Crusade.
>There is some information on the web about this crusade. The library
>usually has information on this as well. The church in the village has
>stained glass depicting the Crusade and a statue of Stephen of Cloyes.
>The village is very charming. And I mean that sincerely since I rarely
>use the word charming. I have some picture and will send those at a
>later date.
>
I would really like to see those pictures!! If you have them posted to a
web page, would you please let us know the URL???? If you have them scanned
into digital format, would you please forward them to me? Thanks.
>The oldest Cloyes I have found in the States is Peter Cloyes from the
>1600's. He evidently was married to the sister of Sarah Nurse, famed
>for her inclusion in the Salem Witch trials. There is a place on the
>web called "The Cloyes Poole"
>
Peter's second wife was Sarah Towne, sister to Rebecca Towne Nurse.
Will have to visit "The Cloyes Poole"...
>The Cloyes name can also be traced to Lincolnshire, England in the
>1500's.
>
My direct line goes back to Colchester, Essex, England in the 1500's. I
would be interested in information on the line you mentioned in Lincolnshire.
>In the "artist district" of Paris there is a Cloys Hotel and a Rue de
>Cloys (Not sure if I spelled that right). This area can be located on a
>map and is north if the river and west of the famous cathedral in the
>hill (sorry, forgot the name) I'll get it for you later.
>
>I am related to the Cloys name from the Kentucky area (Mayfield). There
>are quite a few Cloys's in the area. The most concentrated area being
>Obion County Tenn. Union city at its hub, with the Cloys's doing quite
>well up there.
>
>This is all I know so far, look forward to learning more.
>
Hugh, isn't this your line? I could be mistaken.
Tom
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CLOYES-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 35
Today's Topics:
#1 Derivation of Cloyes [dirjm(a)hunterlink.net.au]
#2 Re: Derivation of Cloyes [Tom Cloyes <foolery(a)bright.net>]
#3 Cloyes derivations [Grant Cloys <gcloys(a)metronet.com>]
#4 Re: Cloyes derivations [Tom Cloyes <foolery(a)bright.net>]
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Members of Cloyes Chat Group,
As one blessed with a similar name which unsubstantiated hearsay
suggests may have arisen from early Roman times in the vicinity of
the present day Clyde River, Valley and Firth of Clyde, I
respectfully request enlightenment from those whose name is
connected with CLOYES.
During the Roman occupation of Northern England, the term "Clota"
was used with other latin names to describe a "River Goddess", river,
valley, Firth and with "insula", the Island of Arran.
The word clota is to be found in many European languages, possibly
due to Roman influence and has been used as a feminine given name -
it's derivation seems obscure, but it is even used as a name of a
valley on Mars.
The word Cloy is to be found in Ireland as both suffix and prefix in
town and localities and quite often it's supposed Gaelic origin does
not sit well with it's present day documented English form.
McCloy is claimed to be a corruption and modification of Lewis out
of Lewis Fullerton, who was granted lands on the Island of Arran,
whereby his followers became MacLewis, eventually corrupting to
McCloy.
As most name derivations come into respectability in the
1100's when documentation by signature on deeds and wills etc testify
to authenticity, one can not but wonder what names the residents who
became Lewis followers were actually called before they became
Lewis's henchmen.
Did they go round saying to each other "Hey you!" or did they
actually have some name, based on region, which helped in the
adoption of a corruption of the word "Lewis"
It is easy to rely on books of surname derivation written by learned
scholars - it is not easy to come to terms to what may have been
one's ancestors names in the preceeding ten or eleven centuries.
Should any one have thoughts on such matters I would be grateful for
their thoughts, as well as enlightenment of the origin of CLOYES.
Respectfully yours,
Jim McCloy.
30 Brecht Street,
Muswellbrook NSW 2333
Australia
Email jmccloy(a)hunterlink.net.au
I have not done much research into the origin of the name but there are
a few things I do know:
80 SW of Paris if Cloyes, France. It is in the Loir river valley
(actually it is named slightly different, if you look at a map you'll
find the correct name)
In 1212 Stephen of Cloyes, then aged 12, led the Children's Crusade.
There is some information on the web about this crusade. The library
usually has information on this as well. The church in the village has
stained glass depicting the Crusade and a statue of Stephen of Cloyes.
The village is very charming. And I mean that sincerely since I rarely
use the word charming. I have some picture and will send those at a
later date.
The oldest Cloyes I have found in the States is Peter Cloyes from the
1600's. He evidently was married to the sister of Sarah Nurse, famed
for her inclusion in the Salem Witch trials. There is a place on the
web called "The Cloyes Poole"
The Cloyes name can also be traced to Lincolnshire, England in the
1500's.
In the "artist district" of Paris there is a Cloys Hotel and a Rue de
Cloys (Not sure if I spelled that right). This area can be located on a
map and is north if the river and west of the famous cathedral in the
hill (sorry, forgot the name) I'll get it for you later.
I am related to the Cloys name from the Kentucky area (Mayfield). There
are quite a few Cloys's in the area. The most concentrated area being
Obion County Tenn. Union city at its hub, with the Cloys's doing quite
well up there.
This is all I know so far, look forward to learning more.
I don't have any proof, but from the work done in the early 70's by Mrs.
Obetz, the Cloyes family originated possibly in Cloyes France. I have
checked various genealogical dictionaries and there is no mention of the
Cloyes name in any of them, so the derivation must be from a place name.
I would invite anyone on this list to offer their opinions or proof of the
origin of the Cloyes name.
Tom
At 08:47 PM 11/4/98 +0000, dirjm(a)hunterlink.net.au wrote:
> Members of Cloyes Chat Group,
>
> As one blessed with a similar name which unsubstantiated hearsay
>suggests may have arisen from early Roman times in the vicinity of
>the present day Clyde River, Valley and Firth of Clyde, I
>respectfully request enlightenment from those whose name is
>connected with CLOYES.
> During the Roman occupation of Northern England, the term "Clota"
>was used with other latin names to describe a "River Goddess", river,
>valley, Firth and with "insula", the Island of Arran.
> The word clota is to be found in many European languages, possibly
>due to Roman influence and has been used as a feminine given name -
>it's derivation seems obscure, but it is even used as a name of a
>valley on Mars.
> The word Cloy is to be found in Ireland as both suffix and prefix in
>town and localities and quite often it's supposed Gaelic origin does
>not sit well with it's present day documented English form.
> McCloy is claimed to be a corruption and modification of Lewis out
>of Lewis Fullerton, who was granted lands on the Island of Arran,
>whereby his followers became MacLewis, eventually corrupting to
>McCloy.
> As most name derivations come into respectability in the
>1100's when documentation by signature on deeds and wills etc testify
>to authenticity, one can not but wonder what names the residents who
>became Lewis followers were actually called before they became
>Lewis's henchmen.
> Did they go round saying to each other "Hey you!" or did they
>actually have some name, based on region, which helped in the
>adoption of a corruption of the word "Lewis"
> It is easy to rely on books of surname derivation written by learned
>scholars - it is not easy to come to terms to what may have been
>one's ancestors names in the preceeding ten or eleven centuries.
> Should any one have thoughts on such matters I would be grateful for
>their thoughts, as well as enlightenment of the origin of CLOYES.
>
> Respectfully yours,
>
> Jim McCloy.
>
> 30 Brecht Street,
> Muswellbrook NSW 2333
> Australia
>
> Email jmccloy(a)hunterlink.net.au
>